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Shouldn't Kaito be a disambig instead of a redirect ? Here is a list of the kaito's page

  • Those guys could go on [[Kaito (disambig)]], but Kaito should still redirect to Kaito Nakamura.

    Usually, we avoid pointing the redirect to disambigs for character names when there's a clear "lead" article. [[Hiro]] goes to [[Hiro Nakamura]], for example, not to [[Hiro (disambig)]]. Instead, there's a See Also section on Hiro Nakamura that leads to the disambig page.

    That said, I don't think we need a Kaito (disambig). We don't have a Linderman (disambig). The disambiguation pages are more for things that are easily confused than merely for all articles that share a common word.

    The best way to think about it is this: if someone added a link to [[Kaito]], is there a good chance that they meant Kaito's assistant or Kaito's henchmen? Not really. Now, if someone added a link to [[guard]], they could reasonably mean any one of several different guards, so [[guard]] properly redirects to [[guard (disambig)]]. Basically, the disambig pages are mostly just a way to catch when people accidentally link to the wrong article, or search for an ambiguous term.--Hardvice (talk) 08:21, 2 February 2007 (EST)
    • I have a feeling we're going to learn a lot more about Kaito and his organization in the coming weeks. All his operations might merit a page of their own eventually, much the way that AWI and the Linderman Group have their own pages. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:01, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Just an observation. First, you say that Kaito should be a disambig, not a redirect, then you say that Kaito should redirect to Kaito Nakamura.--ERROR 12:28, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Sword Reflexes

Is Kaito's power accelerated movement/reflexes? He was way more nimble then he should have been with that sword. --Xmuskrat 17:04, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

  • We have absolutely no clue what power Kaito possesses. We have only his word that he has any power at all. --Ted C 17:27, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Hehe for one second I thought he has the power to speed up peoples learning. Hiro knows kung-fu after what seems to be nothing more than 3 or 4 hours training. That's... weird : ) -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:44, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I wouldn't be surprised — I would be delighted, even, if Heroes introduced a power-amplifier-type character in the vein of Ted Brautigan (from Stephen King's Dark Tower saga), who boosted the powers of other nearby breakers (people with psionic abilities). --Torley 02:45, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Then there's this (The same ability, but in a canon source), owned by this guy.--ERROR 12:30, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Kaito = Takezo Kensei ?!!

I know it's been a matter of specutlation, but on this page of the Yamagato Fellowship site there is a picture of Takezo Kensei that shows rollover text of "Kaito Nakamura"...

  • all of the pictures say that. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 15:43, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Actually, I was more bugged about what did Kaito mean with "I have waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend", since he only has 2 (known) children... I don't think that Takezo - Kaito theory is that much far fetched.--N4d4br0v1tchk4 08:20, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
    • George Takei implies that Kensei is an ancestor of Hiro.--Ice Vision 15:54, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Where exactly do you read that? Please quote.--N4d4br0v1tchk4 20:22, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Unless shown otherwise (and I certainly didn't see it in that Takei interview), I'm going with the theory that Kaito = Takezo. He could serve as a bridge in season 2, as part of the Generations theme. I wonder if Hiro did something significant in the past (e.g., 1670s) with his father, and his Dad remembered this and knew of what was to come? --Torley 02:48, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Takei strongly implied that Kensei was Hiro's ancestor.--Ice Vision 15:24, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
            • If he did, it wasn't in that article. He speculates that his character learnt business from his father and that Takezo may be a distant ancestor. --Pearse 16:48, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Ascension

When Kaito states that he's waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend, is he referring to the ascension of humans to evolved humans? This would mean he doesn't have a power himself... did he mean something else? Puff0rx 09:00, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

  • This is only a theory, but I suspect Kaito is much older than he appears and may be the original Kensai. I also suspect he's had many children and Hiro is the first one in a while to actually manifest any powers. We'll have to wait for season two to find out. :) (Admin 10:09, 26 May 2007 (EDT))
  • "Ascend" may also refer to rising to the challenges of his journey. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:28, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Maybe Kaito is immortal. --Xmuskrat 16:20, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Death

When did we decide that Kaito died in Four Months Later? I know it seems very, VERY likely, but we don't strictly have confirmation as of yet... We saw his body lying in a pool of blood, but in this show, that doesn't necessarily mean the end. I think the introduction paragraph should be changed back from referring to Kaito in the past tense, to reflect that he may not be dead. Bohrok Awakener 14:34, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Absolutely correct. Which articles lists him as dead?--Hardvice (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
  • I Agree as well...--DarkPhoenix 14:38, 28 September 2007 (EDT)


CBR Comment about Kaito's ?Death?

Write-in Question: "we always assumed Mr. Nakamura had powers, but he seemed awfully easy to kill. Were we mistaken?"
JP & AC Answer: "Mr. Nakamura had powers, but easy to kill? Maybe you didn't look at the crime scene hard enough."

What do you guys think about this comment concerning Kaito from CBR regarding the crime scene? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/4/2007 15:49 (EST)

Can anybody get a snapshot of the crime scene up on here? --Xmuskrat 21:01, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Kaito's fall realization.jpgAdams victims kaito.jpgUS Press.jpg
-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:55, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Well first, they just openly said that Kaito had a power. The person asking the question said "we assumed" - they confirmed. Second... the two shots are different. In one, his head is turned a little. Something is telling me Kaito isn't gonna stay dead.--Riddler 23:13, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
    • By the way, the first is a promotional shot released by NBC. The second is a screenshot from Four Months Later. The third is from US Press (obviously). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Actually it looks like all three shots are slightly different. Also I was disappointed that the obituary was just random text copied and pasted.. some of it even repeated --Frantik (Talk) 05:10, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I agree, if you look at the news paper photo, the the two above it kinda looks like he's getting up! His hand is a little closer to his head in each photo, his head moves from a profile to looking striaght at the ground, and his feet move in and up a little!! ----Dirtypr 09:18, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Check it out! Kaitowned2.jpg

Well the picture is in the news paper as a crime scene photo. So who took the photo? the cops. and don't you think they would have checked the body at the crime scene to ensure he was in fact dead?.--Retractd 17:04, 22 November 2007 (EST)

  • "Mr. Nakamura had powers, but easy to kill? Maybe you didn't look at the crime scene hard enough." - They're saying to look at the crime scene closer, and i have, but nothing really stands out to say anything. The only thing is the puddle of blood on the ground, I think that the blood may be in fact Adam's rather than Kaito's, which would show he was not easy to kill and put up enough of a fight to make Adam bleed. But as to whether or not Kaito is actually dead, i don't know.--Yix1337 22:47, 24 December 2007 (EST)
  • Does anybody else think that the pool of blood at the crime scene sort of looks like an animal? a horse? or a dragon? Tilt your heads 90 degrees to the right and you'll see it, I don't know what significance it has to his power but it looks like it's been intentionally added. -- 10 December 2008
  • Zomg, yes! Like a horse. But I don't think it has much significence, as much as symbolism if any --Trevorrrj 04:23, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Surely this is sarcasm? We are being directed to look at the crime scene photo just to demonstrate that, the likes of Adam and Claire excepted, being thrown off a building is pretty final whatever your ability. - 24 November 2010

Eyes in sword really Kaito's?

I know this is a little late and I haven't seen any discussion about this so I'm going to throw this out there. From Landslide there was a brief shot of the reflection of Kaito's eyes in the sword.

Kaito's sword reflection.jpg
Kaito 14 years earlier.jpg

I'm sure I can't be the first one to say this, but I contend that these aren't Kaito's eyes at all. If you look at a closeup shot of Kaito like this one, I think they look totally different. I would say they look older? Maybe not older. Just different. The eye on the right (I guess his left eye) is totally different; the bottom of the eye in the top photograph makes this pronounced upward slope on the right side that is totally different from the bottom eye in the bottom photograph. Maybe I'm alone on this one. I dunno, but when I first saw this I had to watch it a few times because I was confused whose eyes these were supposed to be. I thought maybe there was another person in the room or something.

Anyways if this is true perhaps it might answer some questions (or raise some new ones) concerning Kaito's powers. Maybe he is much older than he looks. Or maybe he can manipulate appearances.Dadadave 11:57, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I thought the same myself when I first saw it, but no one else seemed to pick up on it. The eyebrows are completely different.--Bob (Talk) 12:50, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Known Power = Space-time Manipulation?

  • Um... why does it say that on his page? O_o --AnotherNella 13:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • I rolled back the changes. Looks like someone mistook Kaito for Hiro. (Admin 13:05, 6 November 2007 (EST))

Thought about power

I was thinking his power may be some kind of impact absorbtion. if you watch when Angela slaps him in Four Months Later, you can see he doesnt even flinch. This could also explain the theories of him getting up in the pictures after a 40 story fall.

  • Perhaps. But keep in mind two things--this is a tough man who can probably withstand a slap, especially from a woman with whom he has had previous relations. Also, rarely is a power so subtly revealed--I believe that when we see it, we'll know it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2007 (EST)
  • Kaito got up in the picture? What do you mean? --Ice Vision (talk)

He said it was a theory.--ERROR 12:36, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Kaito's Power

In the Season 2 DVD box set's deleted scenes, Kaito reveals that he has the ability to see the variables of all outcomes, stating that that is how he has done so well in the stock market. Ynni 08:06, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

  • Interesting :) Too bad the deleted scenes aren't canon, though. Pierre 08:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
    • I think Santiago also has this ability, called "accelerated probability". Should it be added to the unconfirmed section of the list of abilities?--Referos 19:49, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • At the moment, the list of unconfirmed abilities includes abilities who have been confirmed to exist by canon or near-canon sources, but the nature of them are unconfirmed. In other words - the answer to Referos' question has to be no - at least given the article's current outline. Pierre 20:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • I will be very surprised, though, if Kaitio's power (assuming he has one, and , if so, if it turns out to be "accelerated probability" or something else) will remain a mystery at the end of Season 3, or even by this Christmas. Pierre 20:10, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
      • This is also the ability that has been rumored and theorized that Arthur Petrelli has or had which ever you prefer.--Iceman 08:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
        • I think it's rumoured that Arthur could manipulate probabilities, while Kaito seems to be able to analyse them. Yeah, I think they would make a great pair, specially with Angela having an affair with Kaito.--Referos 15:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
          • Ouch :) some great stories to be told from such a triangle. Especially if the rumor that Angela's power is to see the future in one way or another turn out to be true.... Pierre 19:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
            • That's cool. why aren't deleted scenes canon? they're the same as episodes except removed because of conflicts. Referos, where did u hear that about Arthur? Shoyru1177 20:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
              • Theory:Arthur Petrelli. It's all speculation, though. Also, the writers themselves said deleted scenes shouldn't be considered canon.--Referos 21:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
                • The crucial reason why deleted scenes isn't canon is as Referos say - in addition, there are several reasons why scenes are deleted: e.g. time issues, ore creative change of hearts. I.e. in this case we don't know if the reference to Kaito's power was deleted in order to not exceed the time boundaries, or because the writers agreed last minute that this particular ability doesn't work with the story they are going to tell. Pierre 21:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
                  • My guess, in light of the new spoilers about Angela, is that they removed this ability because it was too similar to hers. --Yamawhata? 12:26, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I can't remember exactly where I heard it from but before the theory about Arthur came up on the theories page I read somewhere that a writer during the early shows released a bunch of secrets about the show and that Arthurs power had to do with probabilities was one of them.--Iceman 08:21, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
        • I remember sources saying that Kaito's power had something to do with "a very bright light". Does anybody else remember this? Ienzo_Rellim 9:15, August 10, 2008 (EDT)
  • To clear up if deleted scenes are canon, the easiest example is the original ending to Volume 2. The new ending is what aired, and what aired is what is canon. I haven't seen the DVDs for the second season, but is the original ending in the DVD? I didn't even know the DVD was out, I need to get that. --Bob (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
        • I just watched the scene with Kaito's ability. There have been several interviews where George stated that he had a power and it would be in the first episode. I personally don't see why we can't just add it. In a deleted scene with Angela Petrelli, it's also labeled as a spoiler alert and we learn that she has an ability too. Jason Garrick 22:18, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
          • We can't add it because it never happened. Interviews and deleted scenes are not canon sources. Deleted scenes are deleted for a reason, and we respect that reason. It's okay to add the information to the Notes sections, but not to include the information in the main body of the article, in the infoboxes, and certainly not to create articles for that information. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:21, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
            • Here's a summary of what Tim Kring said in response to my question about this at the conference call (summary by heroes-tv.com): Another big question is what power Kaito Nakamura had, and the fact that a deleted scene on the Heroes season 2 DVD revealed he has the ability to see all the variables of a situation and predict an inevitable outcome, such as analyzing the stock market to earn money. Kring said they intentionally revealed this on the DVD for hardcore fans, though he set no time table for when people who only watch the show on TV might get to learn of Kaito's power.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:05, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
              • Excellent. So the information is there for us to put on the page (which it is) but since it hasn't actually happened yet in an episode or otherwise, we'll leave it off the infobox and list of abilities. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

It is still listed as his known ability in the 'stats' box.

Stevehim 01:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

CBR on Kaito's Deleted Scene power "officialness"

(CBR Link)
Question: “In response to last week's question about revealing Kaito's powers, I would like to ask if his revelation to Ando of what his power is in the deleted scene from the Season 2 DVD is considered official. Or should we assume that anything that happens in a deleted scene never did officially happen or what?”

Answer: Good question. Let the debate begin! What do you guys think? Official or unofficial? We will tell you this — when we break episodes, we do it not knowing what’s been cut from episodes because of the timing of writing, production and editing. So, weigh in Longshot, Dazzler, Mojo — What say you? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/14/2008 08:03 (EST)

Kaito's DVD Message to Hiro: Need Quote

What is the line Kaito says in the second half of the DVD? He tells Hiro what is needed if the formula is to fall in the wrong hands. Something about purity of blood, and "light"? I'd like to get the exact quote, because I want to try to determine what or who he was referring to. GabrielPetrelli 08:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)


Events of "It's Coming

I think Arthur Petrelli's comments re: 'the catalyst' lend great credence to the theory that Kaito's power is as described in the deleted scenes (accelerated probability or the ability to take variables and establish outcomes). Kaito obviously has great foresight, even beyond death. --Dumpster juice 22:38, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Maybe he acccounts for Claire and Hiro teleporting in the past and helps Hiro, or copy the catalyst from present Claire and is how he got it in the first place :) - Discipol

Recurring

He is already appear in 4 episodes so far :Second Coming , the eclipse pat 2 , Our father and Dual

  • How many episodes do you have to be in to be either recurring or main? --Trevorrrj 04:19, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
    • To be a main character, you need to have a certain contract with NBC. These people are in the credits at the start of the episodes as "starring". The Wiki has different policies for each season of Heroes. From memory, characters need four Season One appearances to be recurring, three Season Two appearances, or four Season Three appearances. Hope this helps. -- Tristan0709 talk 05:19, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes. Yes it does. Thank you! --Trevorrrj 05:35, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

Kaito's Ability

Kaito Nakamura already has an Ability It is revealed in a season 2 deleted scene

Check the Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSLrQ_6zi3Y --Sylar2105 07:18,7 September 2009

  • Unfortunatly, it was deleted, so its not cannon, therefore, it may or may not be his actual power... there is no way for us to know. --Skullman1392 01:53, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Kaitos power

could be healing/life draining based on what he said in season 1 when asked: "What do you know about killing," he responded "a few things" which parralled Linderman's comment to the questiong what do you know about healing.--Earl 17:13, 20 October 2009

  • Possibly. We don't know that for sure. I think we'll see Kaito's ability in the latest GNs(From the Files of Primatech). I hope it's a new ability, something that people won't expect from a man like Kaito.--Realistic 18:06, 19 February 2010 (EST)
  • There was a BTE about this. Someone listed the quote you've mentioned and asked if they were onto anything, and BTE said no.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 18:35, 19 February 2010 (EST)
    • I just thought of a crazy theory... I am leaning toward Reincarnation as Kaito's power. Each time he dies, he is reborn with the same and/or limited knowledge of his past life(s). This could explain how he was such a good swordsman and his success. Perhaps the mercenary who was paid to pretend to be Kensei was an "ancestor" of Kaito and the 'destiny' he is trying to avoid in the Primatech Files could be.... fathering Hiro? I'm a bit lost at the 'details' end of this theory :P --PowerSink 19:52, 2 March 2010 (EST)
      • But then again... this doesn't really explain how he knows how things are going to turn out, like in the latest GN... doh! --PowerSink 19:53, 2 March 2010 (EST)
        • I feel pretty certain that it's the power they revealed in the deleted scene. This, unfortunately, puts my theory to rest that he had no powers.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 19:56, 2 March 2010 (EST)
    • Kaito's ability associated with the explosion or shooting-Adamhiro 11:35, 5 March 2010(LT)
      • Huh? Says who?--Realistic 06:53, 10 March 2010 (EST)
        • Adamhiro was pointing out that Kaito's ability seemed to involve his knowing that Chris would be shot. Though this does fit in with probability calculation. --mc_hammark 11:32, 10 March 2010 (EST)
          • I agree with Adamhiro--Blood69 07:53, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
            • Probabilty calculation is go.--Blood69 07:54, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Should Kato's power

  • Should Kaito's power be marked as none? Because its been pretty much confirmed that he has one, we just don't know what it is yet. I say ot should be marked as Unknown.--Icefire227 20:37, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
    • Unknown.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 21:11, 25 March 2010 (EDT)
    • His "known power" is marked as none because he has no known power. However, he is categorized as an evolved human, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:10, 25 March 2010 (EDT)

Probability computation

Should Kaito's power be listed as Probability computation now, since the Heroes Reborn app is technically canon? Or is that app not considered canon? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 17:47, 23 August 2015 (EDT)

  • I've gone back and forth on that. When it was only referenced in a deleted scene, it definitely should not have been anywhere but the notes. It's been alluded to many times in the series (calling him "special" and "powerful" and when Bob said that all the founders "were gifted with extraordinary powers"). Now that it's been very clearly said in the app, it's a much stronger mention. I'm just not sure how canonical the app is. I'm tending to lean towards the side of making him an evo and listing him as having a power, but my opinion isn't what matters. It really depends on how canonical the app is, and I don't have an answer to that at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2015 (EDT)
    • Sounds fair. I think we all know in our hearts he's an evo but officially, not yet. Guess that's something to ask in a future interview ;) -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 05:15, 24 August 2015 (EDT)
      • Yeah, but that's the thing -- even an interview with Tim Kring saying definitively that Kaito is an evo isn't canon. It might support what we already know, but it's not canon. The question isn't whether or not Kaito has an ability, the question is whether or not the app is canon. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:19, 24 August 2015 (EDT)
        • You know, we've already been listing Kaito in Category:Evolved Humans, and we've been doing so for a long time. We just haven't listed his power because it's only been revealed in a deleted scene. He's still an evo according to our article, and all the information is listed in the notes. I say that with the Heroes Reborn app being listed on every official NBC site, it's time to list Kaito's power as probability computation. Anybody opposed? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2015 (EDT)
          • I agree with it being listed. (Admin (talk) 14:50, 26 August 2015 (EDT))
            • I think it probably is canonical considering that's where Dark Matters was released from. ~~IHHTalk 15:55, 26 August 2015 (EDT)