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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine electric manipulation's name.
Source/Explanation
The name of "lightning" has been explicitly used to refer to this ability numerous times, most notably in Petrified Lightning and Four Months Ago....

Absolutely, absolutely hate to do this

Especially with that foreboding template on the page's top, but, just as a suggestion, Joe Pokaski and Aron Eli Coleite call Elle's power "good old electrokinesis" in response to a fan's question here. The Living Lightning is in reference to a Marvel Comics character who has, in addition to other powers, electrokinesis; this is evidenced by both words being capitalised. I hope I don't get into trouble for this, I only wanted to point it out for the good of the Project and its credibility. Therequiembellishere 00:50, 26 November 2007 (EST)

  • This has been discussed at length, so I'll give you the brief answer. :) There are several canonical references to the power as "lightning" which trump the "electrokinesis" reference in the interview. For more detail, check out the archived discussions for this page. (Admin 00:55, 26 November 2007 (EST))
    • Hate to say it but i think the creators of the show have a higher say than what Peter would call it... cause Peter just saw that he could throw electric bolts, if it happened to you or me without any prior knowlege we would call it lightning too. But creators actually know what they want it to be... sorry to bring this up again but i really think Electrokinesis takes the cake.--.Vault 16:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)
      • When information from an interview conflicts with information from an episode, the episode always wins out, no matter what. It doesn't matter what we think about it or whether we like the outcome. Anything which appears in an interview can always be changed by the time it appears in an episode. See Help:Sources and Help:Naming_conventions#Power_Names. That said, the writers and producers have also used "lightning" in interviews and episode commentaries, so even if it came down to a head-to-head conflict between secondary sources, "electrokinesis" is no more "official" than "lightning"--setting aside for the moment that the writers merely repeated the word given to them, and that "lightning" has been used in interviews multiple times.--Hardvice (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (EST)
  • i damn right agree with electrokinesis. the same way 'plant growth' should be florakinesis, and 'induced radioactivity' Radiokinesis!
    • "Florakinesis" means "flower movement". "Induced radioactivity" appeared in an episode (it's listed in the Genesis files). The ability names listed on AE.org are made up by fans and, frankly, mostly awful.--Hardvice (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Perhaps

Perhaps Elle needs both arms active to maintain full control over her power. She was aiming to kill Sylar and hit him dead-center but he only staggers for a second, even through she stunned Peter with much less effort. -----  Seclusion  talk / contribs 19:50, 4 December 2007 (EST)

I assume she didn't want to kill Sylar, just incapacitate him (and she miscalculated). She used a much higher amount of "lightning" on Peter, because his powers (regeneration, strength, maybe even lightning) made him able to survive much higher voltages.--Tim Thomason 18:46, 13 December 2007 (EST)

difference between Elle's lightning and Peter's

  • I noticed that Peter's lightning has more of a wavy appearance to it while Elle's actually looks like a strike of lightning. Did anyone else notice this? I think it is the same basic principle like West and NAthan's different flying. Jason Garrick 16:52, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • I never noticed that. It's certainly possible. Are there any screencaps in particular that highlight the difference? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:07, 13 December 2007 (EST)
      • I actually don't think this is the case, Elle uses her power in a similar fashion to Peter but perhaps due her increased control, it sometimes looks different. This one she uses it in lightning form. This one, this one, and this one, however don't use it in that fashion. This one doesn't have any real difference to Elle using it. I think its all power development tbh. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 17:48, 13 December 2007 (EST)
        • There is a possibility that there is a difference, but it's nothing significant. Peter, Ted, and Sylar have all glowed different colors. They're just creative differences.--Ice Vision 19:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)
          • Yeah, I checked. Your right. Peter only has wavy lightning twice. Once at Ricky's pub and once when he shot Adam. After that it is just like Elle's. Jason Garrick 19:45, 14 December 2007 (EST)
            • I think it may be intentional - Isn't everyone with a (visible) power supposed to manifest it in different ways? Hence West having a different style of flight from Nathan, induced radioactivity appearing differently for Pete/Ted/Sylar/Amid, Angela (assuming she has persuasion) having to touch a person whilst Eden does not etc. - Goldenboy 16:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)
              • Angela what now? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2007 (EST)
              • Angela? Angela Petrelli. - Goldenboy 12:48, 19 December 2007 (EST)
                • Angela has no confirmed power. --Ice Vision (talk) 13:01, 19 December 2007 (EST)
                • The "touch" aspect of it, at least, has been confirmed to be Cristine Rose's doing, and not in the script. As for "persuasion"--well, people actually did what Eden told them. People have a pretty spotty record of doing what Angela tells them. She's manipulative, but doesn't seem to be superhumanly so.--Hardvice (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • There are different types of lightning in the real world, too: ball lightning, sheet lightning, ribbon lightning... There's no 'right or wrong' way to portray a lightning bolt, as long as it gets the job done. Regardless of how the lightning bolt forms, it's still a conducting of electrons along an ion path. Why do we have to assume that this power always forms the path in the same way? That doesn't even happen in nature. --Yamawhata? 17:10, 4 February 2008 (EST)
  • Considering the list of the ways Peter controls his lightning, is it fair to say that he lacks the fine control Elle has? Certainly, she has more control, but it seems he has the ability under pretty good wraps himself. Stevehim 12:50, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • "Peter lacks the fine control Elle has" is speculative. "Peter has not demonstrated the fine control Elle has" is not. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Well, I'm not sure it's true, considering he's shown almost every form of control. But since it currently reads 'lacks,' which is speculative, I'll change just that. Stevehim 18:02, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

name change

sorry but i disagree lightning is a good name for this power electric generation or electricity generation definately sounds better, besides for many people they might get confused by the power lightning , which may diffirent interpretations , i saw her power the name definately should be called electric generation or electricity generation--Zoga78 19:25, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

  • no --Piemanmoo 05:48, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
  • Peter calls it lightning in the show so that's the name that is used.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
    • But when Peter calls it lightning in the future, we call it Electromagnetism? -Lөvөl 03:03, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
      • Well, yes, but for reason similar to the "telescopic vision" debate. The agent can hover and produce lightning; Peter's only referring to the latter aspect. "Lightning" describes an aspect, but not all, of his power, the same way "telescopic vision" describes an aspect, but not all, of Donna's power, or "teleportation" describes an aspect, but not all, of Hiro's power, or "wipe" describes an aspect, but not all, of the Haitian's power. A canon name for a part of a power is not a canon name for the whole power.--Hardvice (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
  • The name of "lightning" has been explicitly used to refer to this ability numerous times, most notably in Petrified Lightning and Four Months Ago. When the writers make up a name for an ability we can't just call it something else. We can't say Peter Petrelli's name is John Jacobs if we don't like the name Peter Petrelli. The writers are the authority. (Admin 10:12, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
  • Of course, when we don't like the name we can call it what we want. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 10:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
    • Untrue and the discussion there explains the current decision on a name quite well. (Admin 10:34, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
    • But in essence you've hypocrited yourself by saying that if the writers give us a name we have to use it. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 10:45, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
      • I believe the determination would be that they did not actually give us a name for it yet, but rather used a single term in the story which provides a contradictory description of what her power would be. Now, if it shows up in another graphic novel or the writer explicitly says it's the name of the power in an interview, then it would definitely be changed. Until then the contradiction precludes its usage. With Lightning, we have multiple sources AND the name doesn't contradict the demonstrations of the ability we've seen thus far, so while very few of us think it's the best name for the ability, it's the term they've used consistently so there's not much room for interpreting the intentions of the writers when the term was used. (Admin 10:54, 19 April 2008 (EDT))
        • I agree with Zoga. The release of the Company's AT map describes Elle's ability as "the ability to genereate electricity" not lightning. Also, lightning implies a weather based electrical shock looking at the uses of the power I think the writers just find it a cool and easy way of describing the ability. I'd go with Electricity Generation that seems to be the most direct and canon term.
          • Actually, the term used in the episodes (more than once) is lightning. Episodes are canon sources, and trump near-canon sources like the Assignment Tracker map. Good suggestions, but we'll stick with lightning unless something else is said in a canon source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:03, 7 August 2008 (EDT)


Is these the ability of future Ando?

I don't think that lightning is the ability of Ando. First, the ability of ando is red, and it isn't like Elle's sparks. what do you think?

  • Flint has a different color of pyrokinesis, so it's not that far-fetched. As for the way it sparked, it could be just a different evolution of lightning. --NellaBishop 15:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • It's common knowledge that fire can change colors based on heat or chemicals. But as far as I know, there's nothing that can turn lightning red so I don't think we can be sure that Ando's ability is the same as Elle's. It seems too speculative to me. --Watchmaker 21:55, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
      • You're forgetting that sometimes Heroes does things to look cool, rather than make sense. (Remember the voice effects in season one?) I think that Future Ando definitely has a form of lightning.
        • It hasn't been confirmed that Ando's ability is the same as Elle's (or perhaps that future agent's or that teenage patient's). Until we learn more about the ability, let's not add it to this page. I don't think there's anything wrong with making a page for Ando's ability, though. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
          • Honestly, I'm good with calling it Lightning until we have evidence that it's something else. Apart from the color, it looks like lightning, and I don't think a simple color difference is enought to warrant a new power page. --Ted C 17:45, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
            • I think its just a different colored lighting too, but lightning none the less (is there an special page for Flints power vs. Merediths power)....if you look at the image close up you can see bolt shapes around his hands...maybe we should take a poll?--Anthony Gooch 21:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
              • plus if we are wrong, then we could simply change it, but i doubt that the writers are going back into the future just to explain Ando's power for viewers

I understand that Lightning is canon...

But "Lightning" is far too general. Lightning...what? Manipulation? Generation? Absorption? I think we should change the name to "Lightning Generation", since it accurately describes the power, follows the canon description, and is far more specific than just "Lightning". What do you guys think? ~~ Darmenos 21:25, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

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