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Source/Explanation
Both Sylar and Danko refer to James Martin as a "shape shifter" in Into Asylum.

Naming

  • The ability naming is pretty clear and canon, however, should it be written as shape shifting or shapeshifting?--Ikkian 22:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I've added a redirect from shapeshifting to this page, if we do decide it to be one word, this page can be redirected to the other later. I, personally, have no preference one way or the other. Dracomaster4 22:37, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Neither do I, although I do have a softspot for shapeshifting since it looks nicer to me.--Ikkian 22:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Physical Contact?

  • Is it needed? I assumed he just ran into that cleaning guy accidentaly.. Not that he purposely did so.. --Peter 22:15, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Nah, they made the handshaking clear, which was also the case with Danko.--Ikkian 22:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
      • There was also a "wooshing" noise when the guy came into contact with the janitor. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:27, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
        • He morphed into Sylar, but there was no indication they ever touched. --Ted C 11:01, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
          • He probably did touch Sylar, but it wasn't on-screen because it would make his death too obvious.--Spexile 16:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I really doubt he could get away with touching Sylar without being caught, and I do think that Sylar was trying to catch him. --Ted C 15:47, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Although, now that I've thought about it a bit more, Sylar might well have set up the whole situation, including giving Martin the opportunity to touch him so he could become a copy. The guy's so damned devious, you never know what he's gonna do. --Ted C 15:50, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Difference To Illusion

This is gonna be a big argument, so I'll start it off. How is this ability different to Candice's shape shifting ability? Should they both be merged into one article or kept separately? --OprahDust 22:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I say different because shapeshifting effects only the bearer of the ability (as far as we know). Also, Candice/Michelle/Betty could "summon" illusions easily whereas shapeshifting seems to requiere more energy and time.--Ikkian 22:18, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, the teacher needed to take off his coat in order to look like the janitor at the parking garage. Whereas Candice could have just made herself practically invisible. Dracomaster4 22:20, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
1) It only changes the user using it, not produce objects that aren't there ect 2) It requires physical contact with the object the user wishes to change into. 3) With Illusion the person is still the same person underneath (eg. Candice was overweight) however it is unknown if with this ability this is not true (aka taking the form of a physically more able or less able person means the user's physical ability becomes that of the person that have became. 4) Illusion stops after death this doesn't stop after death. The Light6 22:22, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I believe Candice's ability is really just manipulating light and/or altering the mental perspective of others whilst shape shifting is self explanatory: the user is able to alter his/her body structure as well as appearance. --Formless 22:23, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Absolutely, the "illusion" is only in the eyes of the others, the person does not change. This is very clear with Betty who wanted to be seen as a pretty girl... --Juba 07:23, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Its the same as Age Shifting. That could also be seen as illusion. The diferences are small but there are clear distinctions. Such as: Shape Shifting requires physical contant whereas Ilusion didn't. --Peter 22:48, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Hold on... hold on. Were none of you paying attention?! Illusion is simply that, making people see what you want them to see. Shapeshifting (as seen in the show) is a complete rearrangement of your physical appearance, physically. Watch James and Sylar when the shapeshift. Painful for both of them because their bodies molecules are literally shifting to change the appearance. That's why James didn't change back, he had literally become Sylar.

As to the discussion I saw on here about Sylar shapeshifting, and losing his other abilities while shifted, why would he? His bodie changes, and the brain remains the same. It's been established that the brain is what controls the powers, and where they honestly lie. Angielynne - talk to me... 10:42, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

    • We've all been saying, actually.--Ikkian 11:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

~~ yeah this ability is poopoo i mean come on candices ability would be a lot better to see sylar have

Hes got style,Hes got grace, Hes a lady...

Sorry to be blunt...But seeing as this is shapeshifting...what happened "down stairs"?--Drwho113

  • He became a lady, then morphed back to a man. You don't think this ability changes face only, do you? --Altes 05:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • No, just think it would be very, very painful :P---Drwho113
  • Glad to see I want the only one thinking it :D---Drwho113
  • The quality of conversations around here has really gone down. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:56, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Face morph only

Can Sylar only morph his face bones/muscles/skin/hair ? I mean, they couldn't cut the woman's boobs if the change is face only. It should be noted that the voice is also changed, meaning a deep transformation. I wonder if the cells are manipulated to the DNA or if they are just moved around to for a different structure.

Perhaps James Martin needs physical contact for people very different to himself (old or different heights). Sylar was about his height and build, maybe it was easier. - Discipol

What about height? Imagine Sylar pretending to be a woman who is in fact 5 feet tall. How tall is Zachary Quinto? That's just the thing. If he remains tall while the person he is disguised as is short... It's no disguise at all. --Altes 13:11, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

"the same way he acquired Electric manipulation"

I was under the assumption Sylar just studied the brain from out of the back of head, judging by the way he took electric manipulation it takes a long time to copy powers that way (also Sylar had prior history with Elle). And it seemed to make the same noise that it normally makes when he takes a brain (it cold have been the music before they cut to commercial). I could be wrong, but if I am it seems Sylar has perfected his empathy--Sylar Fan09 16:09, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I was under the impression he did the same thing he did to this dude in the Untold stories. He got the brain through his mouth because his skin withstood his TK. In this case, Danko didn't want him to leave an incision on his head, so Sylar took it from the mouth, leaving no marks. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:15, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Yeah just read that on here :) The only reason I said it was from the back of the head was because at the end they show "Sylar" with a piece of metal back there to show he was really dead. There is no way to stop the real Sylar from getting the brain from the mouth or back of the head.--Sylar Fan09 18:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Main Image

Does anyone find the image scarily distubing? --IronyUTC CH 15:34, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I do. That is one freaky-looking chick-dude-thing. lol --Skullman1392 01:22, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
  • i think he looks like Volermont from Harry Potter i know i spelled that wrong can some one correct me please--Skyeatsout 23:57, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
  • You think someone could get a moving Picture of Sylar using the power?--Skyeatsout 14:01, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Moving images don't move in articles. I do however, think that we could use a Danko to Sylar image as the main one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:38, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Does shape shifting change the attire?

Hi there,

just want to ask, does shape shifting change the clothes, shoes, etc of what the shapeshifter is wearing to that of the person impersonated? or can the shapeshifter choose to do so?

maybe that should be included in the article as well.

thank

Geek God 22:57, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm almost positive they don't change... I'd have to double check.--Skullman1392 23:10, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • My understanding is they don't, because James Martin had several costumes in his closet, and Sylar remained in the outfit after he changed from the woman.--Bob (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar was shift his outfit when he was transforming into his mom, Micah, and Nathan. --Gibbeynator 08:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Different Transformations

Does anybody think it is possible for the user of this ability to turn into an animal?--Catalyst

Peter (Exposed Future) was a Shape Shifter?

  • I strongly believe that Future Peter was a shape shifter! In that scene when he sends Matt to Africa in the episode (3x01), after he left that storage closet he morphed into his younger self. I believe it was not an illusion, but Shape shifting, I also strongly agree that he absorbed it from Future Sylar. here take a look below:

Future Peter shape shifting CLICK ON THIS LINK
Do you guys agree or what do you guys think about this. -- DARK 15:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I still think it's illusion, when Sylar shape shifts, the change is never smooth, it's like he's "melting" his face and when it becomes solid again he's someone else. Difference in effects makes me think it's still illusion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:00, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

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