Episode talk:Distractions

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Update other character pages as needed ___ Sandra Bennet ___ Claude ___ Zach ___ Meredith Gordon ___ Ando ___ Kaito Nakamura _X_ Dr. Witherson _X_ Aron Malsky ___ The Haitian ___ Mr. Muggles _X_ Broken nose guard _X_ Update Portal:Minor Characters as appropriate Add new character pages as needed: _X_ Kimiko Nakamura (Saemi Nakamura) Add references to appropriate recurring themes: ___ Family ___ (list themes referenced here) Add examples of Powers used: _X_ Empathic mimicry _X_ Invisibility _X_ Rapid cell regeneration _X_ Pyrokinesis _X_ Precognition taken care of on prophecy (we don't have any examples on precognition) _X_ Telekinesis _X_ Enhanced strength

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Synopsis

• I'm not going to be able to write a synopsis until Tuesday evening, so if someone else wants to take this one go right ahead. Even a short synopsis would be good, I can always go back and write a long one like I usually do. If not then it'll be up by tomorrow night! :) (Admin 23:06, 5 February 2007 (EST))
  • That does not sound like a fun job. I'll work on the manatees and waffles. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:16, 5 February 2007 (EST)
    • Mmmmm. Waffles. -- ZachsMind 17:31, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • How come we don't have the epiosde synopsis yet!? Heroe 19:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)
        • That's generally Admin's job, and he said he won't be able to do it until Tuesday evening. (See above.) I guess he's slacking. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2007 (EST)
          • Admin, hurry up and right that synopsis already! Heroe 10:42, 7 February 2007 (EST)
            • Sorry, sorry, I'll try to get to it tonight. :) Been a very busy week so far. (Admin 10:53, 7 February 2007 (EST))
              • There's no need to be sorry, it's not your job. Any of us slackers can do it just as easily! (Though, for the record, you're still a big slacker...) :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Peter's fall

• Did anyone else notice the car he fell on had a sign that said "Nakamura"? 23:23, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  • The sign ends in "...amura", but it looks like there's a c or o before that. It is subtitled "Warriors of Edo Japan" whatever that means. The picture next to it looks like Takezo Kensei. --Fcphantom 23:42, 5 February 2007 (EST)
    • Totally noticed it. Weird, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2007 (EST)
    • It's "Samurai", not "Nakamura".--Hardvice (talk) 04:09, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Episode image

Okay, the term "distractions" was used when Kaito was talking to Hiro. Should we use this as the episode image (it's a closeup profile of Katio, Hiro in the background)? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2007 (EST)

• I like this one because it has a couple layers to it. Kaito and Kiminimimana (sp? ;) ) think Hiro's distracted from his true purpose, and they're serving as a distraction from his quest.--Hardvice (talk) 02:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Meredith's travels

Is the mere mention of a location really worth an article? I'd say if we've at least seen it, then go for it (and before anyone says anything, yes, we have seen Germany), but otherwise, it seems unnecessary for now.--Hardvice (talk) 02:38, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Agree to a point. Unless it serves some larger purpose, there's no need in making a page for it. Now, if the necklace turns out to be some big plot point thing, then maybe the place that it's from would be a good article because, though unseen, it serves as an important story point. (See Lake Ramsey.) Until then, I think those places are just fine on Meredith's page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:56, 6 February 2007 (EST)

The part about her being in Mexico felt important to me (after Claire's reaction), but the rest of the locations were forgetable.--Yoshie (talk) 10:41, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar's Voice

Did anyone notice that Sylar's voice changed when he loomed over Sandra? Was that the same sound modification as Eden's power? Webrunner 11:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)

• Could have been. It's not likely that Sylar was able to aquire Eden's ability though, and if he had.. wouldn't he have used it by now? (rather than faking his death, and then TKing everyone)? It might have been an ability we have not yet seen (he's supposed to have killed several other metahumans, though again.. we have only actually seen him use his own ability and the TK thus far). I'm starting to wonder if Sylar's ability requires him to "see" the ability being used in order to aquire it, as he's just not showing signs of having any others at present.--Yoshie (talk) 11:12, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • If he has a variant of Peter Petrelli's power, he may just have to be in close proximity for a short while, which Sylar was with Eden. And, like Peter, Sylar may not have developed a reliable way to manifest the stored powers. This was a situation (if I recall) where Sylar was attempting to "command" Mrs Bennet, and the power expressed. Though, Sylar believes he can "analyze" his way into understanding the powers, which may be why he needs to cut open the brains, and through "logic" (rather than Peter's "empathy") he may call up the stored ability --Orne 12:07, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • Personally, I just thought it was the Zachary Quinto going from his Southern Charmer/T-Bag voice to his Serial Killer/Buffalo Bill voice. I took it as Sylar revealing himself, nothing more. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • Agreed. They made a big deal of Eden sacrificing herself to keep Sylar from getting her power. --Ted C 17:13, 6 February 2007 (EST)
        • Or perhaps Eden thought she sacrificed herself, but instead only gave Sylar bite sized nuggets to 'study' before he was apprehended. Shooting herself in the head wouldn't have guaranteed ruining Sylar's fun. Or maybe he TK'd her into shooting herself because he felt too weak to cut her head open himself. -- ZachsMind 17:27, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Req: Definition of "series regular"

Seeing as I've now had a half dozen entries removed due to "not a series regular"-related reasons, I'd like to know who exactly is considered a series regular and why.--Yoshie 13:11, 6 February 2007 (EST)

I dunno about the official reason as this Wiki and the people behind it might define, but here's how I define 'regular' as opposed to supporting or recurring. In the advertising of the series from the beginning the NBC network has presented eleven, and sometimes twelve, faces. Left to right on the front page of the nbc.com/heroes website at the moment it's Peter, Claire, D.L., Micha, Nathan, Niki/Jess, Matt, Mohinder, Isaac, Hiro, and Simone. Early in the series, Horn Rimmed Glasses guy seemed like the baddie, but as we get to know Mr. Bennet more he is slowly inching into potential regular status. After all he has been with the series since the first commercial break. Sylar's become the major bad guy, but things are about to shake up and people are gonna start taking sides as we fly into the second season. Anyone outside the primary eleven though is technically just a 'supporting' character. In fact I'd argue against Simone and Mohinder being primary, if not for the official network advertising. Simone supports Isaac and Peter. Ando supports Hiro. If Simone's a 'regular' then Ando must be too. -- ZachsMind 13:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)

It's really simple. A "series regular" is somebody who is listed as a series regular in the credits. They appear in the opening credits (and get paid), whether they're in the episode or not, before the "guest star" label. The only reason we note when series regulars don't appear is because they are credited either way. It's not something we made up -- it's an actual different role. Right now, everyone who's a series regular is in Portal:Main Characters. Mr. Bennet is the last addition to the regular cast, having been promoted as of Six Months Ago.--Hardvice (talk) 13:40, 6 February 2007 (EST)

It's a good explanation (especially about HRG's "promotion"), however.. none of the "mains" that were absent had their named appear in the credits - I watched the intro to be sure. Mostly, I was curious to know if there was an "official" definition, or just something made up to fit whomever was editing at that time.--Yoshie (talk) 13:55, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Hmmm. Most series continue to credit them (and Heroes has from time to time ... Leonard Roberts was credited on early episodes). They definitely still get paid. But yes, "series regular" is an industry term, not one we made up.--Hardvice (talk) 13:58, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Title Commentary

Should there be a section to each episode page denoting why the episode is called what it is, or what references in the episode harken back to the title? Sometimes it's not obvious, and sometimes there's multiple reasons. Like in this episode, it's called Distractions perhaps because Hiro's father actually uses that word in his dialogue, but it's also because Peter learns that distractions are what keep his power from happening. It's when he focuses on someone with a power that he emulates that power. One could also argue that Claire is distracted from going to school because she has to meet her real mom. Sylar's appearance in the Bennet house distracts Mrs. Bennet. Mister Muggles distracted her from telling us Mr. Bennet's name. I can't figure out how Jessica's plotline ties in to it this week, but aside from her, the episode is chock full of distractions. Should there be a place in each episode's page that's devoted to examples referencing the episode title, or is that a bit of overkill? Heck, we're wiki-ing the show what's not overkill? =) -- ZachsMind 13:17, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Hmm. If we did, it would have to be a fan creation since it's not canon. My concern is that it would invite a lot of speculation. But in the end, this is a fan site, and I suppose we can make a page if we wanted. I just wouldn't put it on the main article space. There's just a lot of ... guesswork involved, and people will have wildly different opinions. I'm afraid of edit wars and too much discussion about nonissues. But I suppose it wouldn't hurt.... My only other pet peeve is if we started spoonfeeding fans, telling them what an episode title means. It must be the educator in me, but I'm much more about letting people discover what the word genesis means, or drawing their own ideas about the distractions in the show. I wouldn't want to be patronizing. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:18, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Hank

I went ahead and scratched Hank off. His section would have looked like this:

===Distractions===
Hank is still dead.

--Hardvice (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Funny, I actually just came to this page to do the same. (Um, Golden Moms' T&A?) We didn't mention every character that was briefly flashbacked (flashforwarded?) at the end of Six Months Ago, and we didn't put a reference to everybody that appeared in Peter's vision at the end of Fallout. Hanks (re)appearance, to me, is along those same lines. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Quotes

I'm feeling a little bit anxious about some of the quotes that we're adding. I kind of feel that, with very very few exceptions, the quotes should be a small "snippet" of conversation; they really shouldn't be extended transcriptions of the show. I think they should generally be one liners, illustrative citations, and just really memorable moments. Besides possible copyright violations, I'm afraid that the really long quotes become unreadable. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2007 (EST)

• In general, I think we have far too many quotes on the last couple episodes. Three or four is probably plenty, maybe five if they're all really good. But a lot of them have been kind of crap. If anybody's super devoted to to them, I'd suggest we farm some out to the character pages, rather than having half the script on the episode page.--Hardvice (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • I very much so agree very much to a great extent a lot a whole bunch lots. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • A big me three here! --Fcphantom 21:38, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • I disagree strongly with the editing of the quote myself and others painstaking added earlier. The moment when Peter discovers how to tap into his stored powers through empathy is a significant one and the only way to capture it is to encapsulate that entire scene. The bit where Claude tells him to fly and throws him off the cliff does not sufficiently cover it. I am so very much not interested in an edit war over it though, so you big boys have fun splashing in your little pond. -- ZachsMind 01:22, 7 February 2007 (EST)
        • The edits, I assume, were not made to be taken personally. We run into a few problems with quoting long passages. Besides the fact that it's hard to read on the page and disrupts the flow, quoting an extended section could be a copyright violation. That said, I agree with you that the quotes you added are good information. I don't see any reason why they can't be added to the site — I would try to sprinkle them out in different articles, though. For instance, part of the quote your referenced would be much better suited on empathic mimicry. I would also trim it down so it has just the essence of the information; the rest should be paraphrased and summarized in the article space (the Limits section is a perfect for that). Plus, a streamlined quote is more likely to be read more people. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:28, 7 February 2007 (EST)
        • I'm very sorry you've decided to take an edit to an article personally. All of your contributions have been insightful and high quality.--Hardvice (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2007 (EST)
          • Not taking it personally. There were other people working on getting that quote right when I was to, we were improving one another's work on that, trying to get the words just right. It's a turning point in the series. Peter finally is figuring out that his power isn't mimicry. It's empathy. This is a big moment. I just felt it needed to be pointed at in the quotation section of that page, and I appeared to not be the only one who saw the significance. However, again, this is not drawball.com so I've no interest in putting it back only to see you guys delete it only to see me copypaste it back or revert to an older version of the page etc etc ad infinitum. ...I just disagree strongly is all. Please don't take it personally. -- ZachsMind 14:03, 7 February 2007 (EST)
            • I don't think anyone's saying it's not a great quote. It's just way too long for an episode page. Once the synopsis is up, this page'll be over the recommended size even without any quotes. And clearly you are taking it personally, or you wouldn't be treating everybody else on the site like they're one person. One person made the edit, and yet you've chosen to portray the whole site as some kind of snobby club that's out to get you. I would have left the quote intact, and in fact I did leave it intact every time I edited this article, because I agree with you: it's an important quote (much more so than several we have on the article right now). It should probably be trimmed a bit here and included in full at Empathic mimicry, and that's only for space concerns, not for content. My concern is not the content, but your reaction to the edit. Things are going to happen to your edits from time to time. If you get bent out of shape and post an "I'm giving up and here's why" message (simultaneously the most tired and the most histrionic of all the Internet dramamongering clichés) every time it happens, it's going to be a very bumpy ride indeed.--Hardvice (talk) 14:20, 7 February 2007 (EST)
              • Goodness gracious, dude. The intent here was to talk about this in here like civilized people. "I'm voicing displeasure." "Duly noted." That shoulda been it. I'm beginning to think a childish edit war would have been preferable to this word wrangling. The edit was done before both sides of the issue could be properly addressed. That's why I originally took umbrage. I know editorial discretion is commonplace in a Wiki. I'm readily admitting I'm a peon here and have no say and those of ya who remove quotes due to 'space considerations' or out of concerns about copyright infringement paranoia or whatever just go right ahead and do that. Am I leaving? Have I stormed off and left? No I'm still sticking my feet in your little pond. I left 9th Wonders and made it clear when I did. With minimal drama. And no one noticed. Which was intentional. If I'd wanted drama I'd still be posting in there. But maybe I'm no longer able to post in here. If we can't have a rational discussion with both pros and cons as to why there should be MORE quotes in these episode pages and not LESS... This ain't wikipedia right? It's a fan site. Why are we concerned about the size of a given page? It's not like there's a deficit in nodegel. Crunch all you want we'll make more. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere on the Web entire transcripts for Heroes are available by now. Least we could do is hit the highlights. Capture the dialogue that someone somewhere might wanna look up and review for other purposes like fanfic or a high school english paper or goodness knows what. This is perhaps first and foremost a fan site but it's also the best resource and receptable for Heroes stuff I've found yet. Why are we afraid of improving on that? ...Personally? I got no ego to bruise, man. Just offering what I think's best for the Wiki. YMMV. That's what the discussion page is for - to compare notes.