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Spoiler talk:The Wall

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Name

Where did the name come from? AltesUTC CH

  • Presumably from the wall that Parkman put up around Sylar's mind.

Hiro

Masi Oka also doesn't star in this one, mabye he is going to die in Fail/Pass........ -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 07:09, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Arkush

I thought Allan Arkush was let go by NBC after season 3, as said on his page; was he brought back? --mc_hammark 21:10, 23 January 2010 (EST)

  • Yes. Not permanently, though. He was brought back to direct The Wall. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:33, 23 January 2010 (EST)
    • So just a guest director, kinda like Santiago Cabrera was a guest star in S4. --mc_hammark 21:48, 23 January 2010 (EST)

Preview

Personally I thought the strangest/coolest part (of The Art of Deception) was in the preview for this episode where we are informed that rate of time in Sylar's Mindscape (for lack of a better word) is 1 year for every hour. This leads for some real character development on both Sylar's and Peter's part. Think about it. Peter would not be able to forgive Sylar in a few short hours, as that is unrealistic and poor writing in general. But them spending YEARS together gives Peter the chance to move on and forgive him, allowing for progression as a character. But that is just me, your thoughts people? Tbora 22:15, 25 January 2010 (EST)

  • Just moved this comment here from the Episode talk page for The Art of Deception so it could be discussed. The comment had been removed from there, as was appropriate. Regarding the comment itself, I think Parkman will quickly go inside Sylar's head to again to get Peter out, so it probably won't be a year, but it could be a long time. As a consequence, I think it's conceivable that when they wake up, we might find out that Peter is stuck in Sylar's body and vice versa... that could be why Sylar goes to save Emma... just my take on a possible plot twist. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:37, 26 January 2010 (EST)
    • I am not too sure of that, in screencaps released by NBC it shown Peter and Sylar working together to break down a brick wall (not the one with sylar behind it in Matt's house.) with sledge Hammers.My guess is that represents the psychic barriers which Matt put in that is keeping Sylar and Peter in the dream.So by going by that I think its safe to assume that they have to work together to break out and get themselves free and that Matt's not coming to the rescue.But again maybe that is just me Tbora 07:07, 26 January 2010 (EST)
    • I like MiamiVolts idea about the body-switching. However, given those screencaps and the developments in Sylar's character arc lately, it seems likely that Sylar may have actually done the thing he's been trying to do ever since he went to see Virginia Gray the night she died... that is, find redemption. Fitting, given the title of the volume... Anyway, I think it would be interesting for them to have months/years trapped together inside his (Sylar's) mind to work out all their issues and get that whole you-murdered-my-brother thing out of the way. Whatever they do, I think we can look forward to some incredible performances from both Quinto and Ventimiglia.--Clairesxtwin48 20:10, 26 January 2010 (EST)
      • Actually, I think that Sylar may purposely want Peter's body in order to be able to do the one thing I think he wants now that Matt has told him that removing his abilities won't change who he is... to be able to get close to Samuel and take his power/eliminate him... and yes, at the same time he gains some redemption by taking out the big bad. Emma is of little concern to him since he doesn't know her. Also, Peter may decide he wants Sylar's body so he can fulfill his vision of Sylar saving Emma... That would also give Sylar redemption, since he would look like Sylar. BTW, another option would be for both Sylar and Peter to both use shapeshifting again instead of body switching with Matt's power. I think Peter actually only needed to take Sylar's shapeshifting ability, then transform himself to look like Sylar when he went to the Carnival... but what fun would that be? :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:52, 28 January 2010 (EST)
        • What good would it do for Peter to save Emma as Sylar? How would that give Sylar redemption? Oh, that's right: IT WOULDN'T. I don't think redemption is in the eyes of the beholder. It's only true redemption if Sylar actually changes and actually does the heroic deeds himself. Otherwise it's just a cheap trick to conn people not in on the body-switch into thinking he's good... much like the whole Sythan debacle. Killing Samuel wouldn't redeem him. It would be a step in the right direction, but it would still be another murder on his hands, rather than a life saved. --Clairesxtwin48 21:52, 28 January 2010 (EST)
          • Emma doesn't know Sylar, but if he somehow stops her from causing a massacre at the Carnival, then perhaps the carnies, at least, will look at him differently... You're right though, even if he were to stop Samuel from destroying the Earth by killing him or otherwise, that wouldn't be total redemption since Sylar will always be a killer... However, that doesn't mean he can't be looked at (by some people at least) as a hero as well, and perhaps this could be a good first step if he really is going to follow the Xena: Warrior Princess route...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2010 (EST)

The Fight We've Been Waiting For?

Usually the people from Behind the Eclipse would admit that later in the season Peter and Sylar FINALLY face off...and it will be amazing...but it will not be what we expect....etc, etc, etc. I for one am kinda sick of it. I want my Sylar VS Peter fight to the bitter end. How perfect would this opportunity be? All alone in the big world. And Peter is using telepathy (meaning, he can basically make himself all-powerful). Kinda cliche since it was done with the Matrix, but I don't care.--Halfxwitted 13:51, 26 January 2010 (EST)

  • Totally agree, there needs to be an real fight to the bitter end.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:54, 26 January 2010 (EST)

Wait... Sandra?

So apparently Ashley Crow is going to guest star. What could Sandra possibly have to do with the current ongoing storylines? Is it a sign that she and Bennet are getting back together? Has she secretly had a power all this time and will reveal it to save the world? Is she going to be the one Gretchen contacts when she (Gretchen) realizes that Claire never came back from the Carnival?--Clairesxtwin48 20:13, 26 January 2010 (EST)

  • I'd guess none of the above... perhaps Claire reaches out to her mom for help since her dad has been captured by Samuel.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:05, 28 January 2010 (EST)
She's probably in one of HRG's flashbacks... HiroMystery 01:43, 29 January 2010 (EST)
    • Noah's going to be in the house of mirrors, and is going to see his past and we'll see all about when he was younger and when he and sandra were together. daevon 01:58, 29 January 2010 (EST)
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