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Sylar has a Gallery that has So many images of him, But in his article He has only two images.

I wanted to see his article has lots of images (It would look better), so I put it and Saved it.. Next Day I found his article Has the same two images!! I put it again But I found it Deleted in the next day too!!!

So What is the problem in putting images in my favorite character's Article?? --posted by Sylar2105 at 01:54, 19 June 2009

Because it's not necessary, adding to many images clutters the page. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:00, 18 June 2009 (EDT)


If Sylar is left-handed, why does he cut people's heads open with his right hand? I mean, wouldn't you use your dominant hand for that? (I think only lefties such as myself would pick up on this) ;) --Punxas 12:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

  • maybe he is ambidextrous.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:39, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
  • You know, I think the writers screwed up. They made Sylar to make a note with his left hand only so Claire could figure out he's not Nathan. I don't think it's important - it's stupid. -- Altes 04:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
  • Well Zachery Quinto himself is left handed. --Patient Zero 07:13, 27 June 2009 (GMT)
  • I am left-handed as well and I just tried the hand motion Sylar does and felt more comfortable using my right hand. Just saying. Meesa yoda 13:29, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Gabriel is Anakin Skywalker and Sylar is Darth Vader in having IA

In Star Wars Episode 1 Anakin says that he built a pod racer and tell Qui-Gon he can fix his space ship and in 2 or 3 he says, I'm good at fixing such. It is also in the 3rd episode he has hunger, he wants to move on and develop his Jedi skills and Sylar has learnt to develop his power that he has gain through others.{50000JH}

Yep, they are alike. Albeit Anakin is a fool, and Sylar is a psycho killer. -- Altes 01:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Anakin was foolish in the 2nd and 3rd film plus he also became a psycho and a psycho killer in the 3rd {50000JH}

ok Sylar.....................Anikin flipin skywalker. think about it people this isn't a freikin comparison

Ummm, Flying? Hello?

Sylar is FLYING!

Umm in An Invisible Thread Sylar kills Nathan, we all know that but what about this?

Flying or simply Telekinesis. Just because Nathan's head wasn't removed doesn't mean he didn't take it...remember James Martin?

Check every relevant talk page, this has already been argued to death. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:11, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

It has to be flying, he pictured together what Nathan was like as a person, don't forget he knew Claire, Peter, Angela and Arthur plus he also partner up with Danko so it would not be hard to put together what of sought of person Nathan was like {50000JH}

All hail Occam's Razor. Until we receive a confirmation he has flight, he'll be able to fly only through the use of telekinesis. -- Altes 11:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

I don't know if this will help at all but could someone get the picture of Nathan showing the guy Samuel how he can fly before they go up and fight Sylar in An Invisible Thread? Just to compare how they both look. -- Colin

  • Here, uploaded a pic
    also there is a flying sound when Sylar flies, so indicating he has flight -- (WaterRatj) 03:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Nathan Flies

As Sylar as Nathan use Intuitive aptitude more

I would like to see Sylar as Nathan use intuitive aptitude more, instead of using it on watches and clocks all the time and apart from gaining abilities, like using it to fix somebody eyesite, hearing or tune an instrucment like a piano there are so many option what this ability can do, but it is the least use one {50000JH}

(sorry if i do something wrong im new to editing) Instead of referring to Sylar/Nathan as 'Sylar as Nathan' can we call him 'Nylar' as suggested by Vampirate68 in the section above ? --Nightwalker16 13:35, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

You mean calling him like that for practical purposes or making an article with that name? I'm for the practical purpose use, but not the other article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:19, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Are you refering to this article what other article are you referring to{50000JH}

I'm saying I'm against creating a Nythan article, or moving this article to Nythan, but I don't oppose calling him that in talk pages for the sake of practicality. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:36, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

To be honest, I kind of said "Nylar" as a joke. I don't think a new article is in order. But I think, when referring to him in a summary, I think it would be a good idea. -Vampirate68 21:25, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

Since Sylar mind is in Matt Body are we going to perfer that to one person and Sylar body as another.[50000JH 17:04, 29 October 2009 (EDT)]

For Space...

Do we need a new archive page for this talk page?? Because it is pretty big... --Iheartheroes 22:16, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

  • I second this motion. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:01, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Thirded this motion. Might need more than one archive for all this.--Ratclaws 21:31, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Yes I fourth it. You know it's time to archive when the scroll bar is smaller than pocket lint.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:09, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

Unknown Season 1 powers?

I know it's such a long time ago but, while watching Run, when mohinder asks sylar for a swab there is a noise (you know what I mean - to indicate a power) and sylar looks in the direction of the kettle. I'm not asking if this warrants its own article or that, just if anyone else thinks it could have been related to one of the powers he had at the time(known or unknnown)? --mc_hammark 12:39, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

  • I thought it was telekinesis. Maybe he forced the steam to come out from kettle, making it whistle. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

i remember the screen i think where mohinder has got sylar to the chair. i can't remember the kettle screen. it is most likely to be telekinesis, it is 1st option even a head of IA. 50000JH

Wasn't this confirmed somewhere already?--ERROR 20:20, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Zach(villians: Sylar and Arthur)

The Heroes team pick the right person to play Slyar, being the villians he got a dark side but unlike Arthur it much darker, he also challenge main characters Hiro, Peter and Clair etc you also know that to take a power he has to be sensitive or the Viticim experience pain and this shows he mean business, where Arthur goes thank you very much and there is no excitment where there is Sylar.

  • What the hell are you on about? --mc_hammark 17:58, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

To me the actor Zach has got Sylar down to a T. Zach has given Sylar more depth than the Actor that plays Arthur. what I'm saying is if you had to pick the no.1 villian in the show between Sylar and Arthur who would you choose and why. If Zach Quinto wasn't pick who would you pick to play him. 50000JH

This is hardly the place to discuss this, this isn't a forum. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:01, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Identity crisis

I can't find the source, but Oliver Grigsby said it wasn't because of empathic absorption of shape shifting Sylar suffered an identity crisis. This was due to his own state. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

What if Sylar died before he got telekinesis

I was just wondering what would happen if sylar died right before he got telekinesis? I worked out some in my head, and the results would be molly staying with her parents and them being alive, Matt and Mohinder never meet or at a later date, peter never goes to find claire, meredith would still be alive and so would the rest of the level 5 escapees who never would have escaped, elle would still be alive and sylar's other victims. That's as far as i've got. lol. 22:51, 20 September 2009 (EDT)User:Daevon

  • The bomb may have still gone off. Maya would've never made it to New York. Mohinder would've never discovered a way to give others powers. But Nathan would've never told the President about evolved humans... Sounds unusual, but good. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Eden would still be alive...Niki, the butterfly effect does wonders huh?--Anthony Gooch 17:24, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Charlie would still be alive, Hiro wouldn't've "lost" his powers then. The Company wouldn't've been destroyed. Claire wouldn't've died a billion times (by him of course)! ~~IHHTalk 17:56, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I don't think the bomb would have gone off. In How to stop an exploding man, Peter's radiation was activated by his excited emotions, and possibly that he was around Sylar who had radioactivity at the time.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:00, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
          • He had already lost control when he met Ted, so who knows... Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • Well he would never have met ted in the first placeGamerelite1 21:29, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I was talking about Peter. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

philosophical question

if all sylar is, is a ghost in matt's head, a hallucination, and a few odd abilities lingering in nathan is he accualy alive?? or is just his mind good enough to count as living. --Tsmarg

  • He is still alive. While his body contains Nathan's memories, Sylar actual..."soul" if you will is living within Matt's mind. At least, that's what I believe. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 12:33, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Curse You, Shapeshifting!!!

So, Nathan is really Sylar. But Sylar exists in Matt Parkman's head. For the purposes of updating this article, which info do I put in: the info for Nathan-Sylar, the info for Matt-Sylar, or none of the above? I'm so confused!!!--Uncanny474 16:28, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I would list both, it's clear that some of Sylar's mind is still in Nathan, cause "Nathan" is picking some stuff up, but some of it is in map. Think Niki and Jessica only more complex. There is the body of Sylar with his supressed mind, made to believe he's Nathan, slowly coming back, and there is Matt's body, with Matt's intact mind, and a bit of Sylar haunting him a lot. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:40, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • I read it as Nathan's mind is currently inhabiting Sylar's body. While in this body, he has full access to Sylar's powers. Only a small sliver of Sylar's conscious is still in his old body. The rest of Sylar's mind is residing in Matt's mind, unable to access his powers because they are still in his old body. It's like Sylar's body is a car, now it has a new driver. It can do everything it used to be able to, but just has a new driver. And Sylar is now the "passenger" of Matt's "car". He can show up and do stuff, he just can't take control yet. - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 16:44, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
  • No, Nathan is dead. DEAD. Sylar memories of himself are suppressed, and the only memories he has are Nathan's which he got by touching Nathan's stuff, so he assumes he is Nathan. Now the Sylar that Matt see's really could be a part of Sylar that latched onto Matt's mind, or Matt just feeling guilty and going crazy. NATHAN IS DEAD.--AgentZero 18:36, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • His physical body is dead, but whether he himself is dead, we'll just have to wait and see. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:40, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • If his physical body is dead then he is dead...unless somehow his mind is somewhere. I hope they don't do that. --AgentZero 19:58, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar took Nathan's memories via clairsentience, Matt erased everything but those memories, that is all. Nathan wasn't a telepath to leave his mind in this world after death. As for Sylar existing in Matt's head... Maybe Sylar absorbed telepathy from him through empathy when Matt was brainwashing him, or he got it from another unknown source. Or Matt is just going insane. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • I think that the thing with Sylar appearing to Matt is just a really dark experience that happens when a telepath does something so intimate to another persons mind. Matt had to witness with high fidelity every single one of Sylar's memories and thoughts when he was erasing them, because his power works differently than the Haitians, which just erases. Matt had to analyze the depths of Sylars psyche, and that combined with his extreme guilt is causing him to have hallucinations and hear voices. Think about it, it's the ultimate violation of privacy. Everyone who was there thinks that it took Matt's ability too far besides Angela. Just my thoughts. -Barbedknives (talk) 14:23, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Vampirate68- That is what I believe, too, though I think Sylar's mind is still whole, and that the "identity crisis" Nathan's going through is just Sylar's body wanting it's original inhabitant, but not quite getting it, because Matt's keeping Sylar trapped inside his (Matt's) mind.

However, if you're going the way of Sylar's mind being somehow split, then perhaps there's a small sliver of him in Matt, instead of his body. I do believe he said something about "a part of [him] hanging on."

AgentZero- I hope they DO do something like that, so that way, there will still be some part of Nathan left.

That is all I have to say... For now.--ERROR 20:30, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Matt's insanity

maybe none of sylars soul is accually in matt; maybe when matt pushed all the thoughts in sylar he analyzed sylar so much that a hallucination of exactly sylars personality is stuck in his mind. it would make sense considering the dilema of how sylar is in two bodies once. -Tsmarg

  • I'd say it's more likely that sylar slipped into matt, but gabriel gray is still inside of nathan, or he's completely gone from nathan.Gamerelite1 22:25, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Nathan is dead--AgentZero 16:29, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
      • If you want to be overly pedantic.

Sylar and Gabriel Gray are the same person. He just likes to use the term Sylar.

Sylar's mind is inside Matt Parkman and his body has a copy of Nathan Petrelli's memories, so in effect there's Parkman (+Sylar) and empty body (+Nathan's memories). Makes writing articles difficult; should we focus on Sylar's mind, or his body? Both? Kimera757 20:24, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Is it even certain (i.e. confirmed by a canon source) the Sylar Matt sees is "real"? Couldn't it just as well be a guilt-based delusion? Matt has always had a stressful life, and if you apply "normal" human standards, I could imagine him being driven to psychosis by what he did. This being Heroes, of course, it could go either way, but I'm still not convinced it's actually Sylar's consciousness in Matt's head. Sir Link 11:06, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

  • As of last night's episode, it's safe to say that the sylar half of his personality is in matt.

regain his old abilities

Hiro lost his abilities to Aurther but regain from Matt Jr. If Sylar was to spend time with Matt Jr he could gain activation and deactivation empathicly, using his IA to develop activation and deactivation. I know he lost the abilities to the shanti viruse but have they been suppressed and the memory has wiped the use of them. I think this what did to Hiro, Adam and Peter he copied the abilities not real taking them but suppressing them and erasing the mind in how to use them. The same is goes with the shanti virsus it is suppressing the abilities in the mind but since he used TK a lot the mind created a some sort of cookie. [50000JH 17:27, 29 October 2009 (EDT)]

  • Your point is what?Gamerelite1 21:12, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

...Cookie?--ERROR 20:30, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

Like a computer cookie,everytime you visit a website, the computer saves it into what is known as cookie, then everytime afterwards you visit the site it is download quickly as it is backed up, but it saves it automatically. My point is since we know that Matt Jr can regain abilities, this was proven by Hiro, All Sylar has to do is spend time and connected with Matt Jr and because IA can quickly develop abilities, he can develop activation and deactivation, regaining all his old abilities, to become more powerful and for him to use Cryokinesis again.[50000JH 17:06, 29 October 2009 (EDT)]

Sylar Evil

Will sylar become evil again? Since he will be mentored by Samuel now? They will be the new villains agian of this volume  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 


Is it my or is everyone playing with sylars feelings? They aways lie to him, thinking he fits in somewhere but there just always using him, Angela,Arthur,Noah,Elle,Bishop now Samuel? no wonder he becomes evil :p  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

It's kind of a vicious circle, really. Because he is a crazy psycho killer, people don't trust him, but he's useful and emotionally manipulable, so people take advantage of him - which, as you said, makes him crazier and more evil. Therapy would be excellent for him (or at least would have been after his first victim or so), but I somehow doubt there are many therapists who would knowingly treat someone who could kill them with a snap of their fingers. :) Sir Link 02:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
Hah :D, your right, he's just amazing  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 
If Peter empathizes with Sylar, he'll be able to make him good again. Save Sylar, save the world! Green.gif AltesUTC CH
OMG Your absolutly right, SAVE SYLAR :D - Peter and Sylar should be best friends!!!  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:40) 

Puppet master

I rewatched some episodes and i'm 99% sure Sylar has puppet master, so i think we should add this to his abilities -- (WaterRatj) 06:03, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

  • He must somehow stolen it somewhere in the episode, i think from Dual when Doyle tries to use his power on Sylar, it seems Sylar somehow is in Doyles head, think he stole it at that moment, using the empathic variantion of his power :D -- (WaterRatj) 06:09, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
    • This has been discussed ad nauseum, his ability use in that moment is consistent with telekinesis. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:23, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I have good reason to believe he has PM, if you rewatch those clips you will know he has PM -- (WaterRatj) 23:56, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's Abilities

From source: "DO NOT ADD EMPATHIC MIMICRY TO SYLAR'S POWER LIST. It's speculation to say that's what he used to get Lightning from Elle. DO NOT ADD PUPPET MASTER TO SYLAR'S POWER LIST. His control of Claire in "An Invisible Thread" is entirely consistent with telekinesis. DO NOT ADD FLIGHT. Right now it's speculative."

I am sorry to bring this up AGAIN, but I have to say that Sylar's page is missing three major abilities that have been argued over and over again: empathic mimicry, puppet master and flight and I have proof! First of all, Sylar used empathy to take Elle's ability. How else could he have done it? Any ideas? Also, he took James Martin's shapeshifting ability the same way! As for the puppet master power, if you do not believe Sylar has empathy, it makes sense that you wouldn't believe he has Eric Doyle's ability. And I agree that telekinesis is a possible answer. However, the scene in "An Invisible Thread" is just like the scene between Doyle and Meredith in "Dying of the Light." As for flight, if you listen closely when Sylar lands on the balcony of the hotel room in "An Invisible Thread," you hear the sound effect they use when Nathan and Peter land after flying. I believe that we will see him fly later this season.

So, I beg you: PLEASE ADD THESE ABILITIES! This is annoying to me. Thanks!

  • Annoying to you, yet right for everyone else, read Theory talk:Sylar#Sylar's ability is not empathic mimicry and Theory talk:Sylar#Abilities and Assumptions. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:23, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I is really anoying when you know they have it and no'one believes it, as for flight I wouldn't know, but for PM, I know he has it 100000million % -- (WaterRatj) 23:58, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar may be able to fly, for the simple reason that how on earth could Angela expect him to impersonate Nathan without him being able to use Nathan's ability? I would add flight simply for that reason, but we have no hard evidence for it other then a sound effect, which is not enough for some people.

Puppet Master, on the other hand, I've got to disagree and say he doesn't have it. Why? Look at what Sylar has to do to absorb abilities without seeing the brain. Elle, be fried on ten thousand volts repeatedly and actually see and understand her rage towards him. James Martin, he spent an entire episode following him and learning about his mannerisms and life. Nathan (if he can be said to possess flight, which is debatable but likely), he was sucking all of his memories out of his possessions, and this would have allowed him to have a front row seat into Nathan's experiences. Does any of this apply to him and Doyle, even remotely? I think not. They met once, in Dual. They exchanged maybe 2 or 3 lines, and then Doyle was knocked out. That is not consistent with any of the other examples of the work Sylar has had to do in order to absorb any other ability without killing someone. As for the similarities of the scene with Claire, that is not a compelling argument. It's entirely possible Sylar has honed his TK, his most often used active power, to be able to control someone in that fashion. Besides which, he doesn't make the same motions Doyle makes when he uses TK, even in that scene. There is no real evidence to suggest he has Puppet Master.

Regarding EM...again, I very much doubt it. You say "how else could he have done it?" Simple- abilities evolve. We know this. It is a proven fact of the show with countless examples. Why could Sylar's IA not simply have evolved to the point of him being able to understand emotions as a system, and thus copy an ability through empathy? I point out a crucial distinction here. Absorbing an ability through empathy is not the same as him having Peter's old power. Plus we've not seen Sylar demonstrate any other aspect of EM- crucially, he doesn't automatically gain an ability just by being near the person like Peter did. Therefore Sylar does not have EM. Parts of his IA are homologous to Peter's EM, but they aren't the same power. Sorry for the dissatation. Swm 08:58, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • He had empathy when arthur was still alive, it din't evolve, he already had it from the start. -- (WaterRatj) 09:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • It's not 100% sure he needs alot of time with the person to steal it. -- (WaterRatj) 09:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • He doens't need to make the same gestures as Doyle to be able to use his power (thats just farfetched) -- (WaterRatj) 09:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Quite possibly you are correct and it was there all along, and Arthur just brought it out. Fair enough. It does seem clear, however, that work is required for him to take an ability through empathy. All our examples thus far point to it. He cannot simply do what Peter used to be able to do and gain an ability without effort. It's pretty clear in my opinion. No, he doesn't need Doyle's gestures, but he gestures he was making were that which are often used for his telekinesis (two fingers straight up). Therefore, if we're being consistent as you require for your sound-effect theory below, Sylar was using TK there.Swm 09:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • nope we clearly heared PM sounds here :D and also i'm not saying he uses Peter's Empthy here -- (WaterRatj) 09:26, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • You miss my point. We heard PM sounds, we saw him making the gesture for TK. You say every time we hear a PM sound effect for an ability, someone is using PM. Why can't I make that argument about gestures? Whenever Sylar gestures with two fingers up and a power's used, he's using TK. He used the two fingers gesture here, therefore he's using TK. It's exactly the same logic. Swm 09:31, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I'm sure he has PM, VERY SURE :D we can't negore it, he has PM, no other story :D. He was using PM on claire, not TK -- (WaterRatj) 09:01, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
  • You're very sure he has PM, therefore he has PM? With all due respect, what kind of logic is that? If we allow that, then I can make the following argument: I'm very very sure he doesn't have PM, therefore he doesn't have PM. Do you see what I mean? You'll need more evidence then simply "It feels right to me" to convince someone. Swm 09:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • The scene isn't only the same, but it uses Doyles sound of his power. The writers won't use the same sound if they don't want to show he has same power. -- (WaterRatj) 09:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Sound effects are not a gospel. There are numerous examples of when the wrong sound effect was used with the wrong power. IE can probably help me out with this one, but the one that immediately springs to mind is invisibility during the season 3 finale or Peter and Sylar's "persuasion voice" in season 1 (which was explicitly confirmed to be wrong). Put it this way- if we saw Peter conjure fire, for example, but the sound effect was of invisibility, would you say he was using the power of invisibility? No, clearly not. What's important therefore is not what the ability sounds like but what it does, and he hasn't done anything that's beyond telekinesis. Add to that the fact that the theory requires something completly at odds with all evidence we've been shown so far (ie, that it takes a lot of time/effort for Sylar to acquire abilities empathically), and it seems unlikely to me. Swm 09:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • We all know that was en error because that power din't even look like eden's persusuan,you could see it was only for the special effects -- (WaterRatj) 09:25, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Ok. But the argument you make there is basically saying "Yes the wrong sound effect was used, but we know it was a mistake because it didn't fit." Can't I say exactly the same about this case? I didn't think it was persuasion when Sylar spoke funny then, because it wasn't logically consistent with what we know about him and how he gains powers. Similarly, it's not PM now because in order for it to be Puppet Mastery we'd have to throw out an otherwise consistent set of solid evidence that would rule it out. Swm 09:28, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Yeah it hard, cause there are + and - regarding this topic, but we must take it in consideration. And no, cause in that scene its not only the sound that would have been misplaces (if it wasn't pm he was using) but the way he used it on claire would be considered, glitchy to -- (WaterRatj) 09:31, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Lets just leave it here and lets find out in the upcoming episodes who was right :D We could go on for hours here else, i'm convinced its PM :D All we can do is wait -- (WaterRatj) 09:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • How so? TK is the ability to move objects with the mind. Human bodies (like Claire), are objects. Therefore, he can move Claire with his mind. His fine control over her (which actually wasn't as fine as Doyle's anyway) can easily be attributed to the huge amount of time and practise he's had with that power. There's nothing inconsistent except the sound effect.Swm 09:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Like I said, we can go for hours, lets just find out and then we can go on :D -- (WaterRatj) 09:39, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

What has happened to Sylar's Intuitive Aptitude (The hunger)?

So, since the whole memory transplant ordeal, we've seen Sylar regain his body but his memories are still muddled and suppressed until Tabula Rasa. However his abilities have been shown to be working fine which leads me to question why the hunger aspect of his IA seems to be defunct right now? He's been in a nest of people with EH abilities since he entered the carnival and yet has shown no aspects of the hunger aspect of his base power. He SHOULD be overwhelmed with the need to cut open all the members and take their abilities but for some reason is showing no signs of such hunger what-so-ever? So why do we think this is people? - (EvilMaldini)

  • Well, Sylar started regaining his abilities before he was shot, and he knew of Peter's and Angela's powers and still didn't feel the hunger. Maybe Matt suppressed it? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • He has to access his ability the way he used to. Arthur never got the hunger cause he never used Sylar's power, but as you can see, it's trying to come out, he came very close to ripping open the cops head in Tabula Rasa. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:17, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Din't he used his ability already? So according to that he should have the hunger, how the writers will come up with an excuse for that,we don't know. But if its because of him needing to access his ability first, then he already did and still not shown te hunger -- (WaterRatj) 02:45, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Lubbock didn't have powers. Or did he? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • He doesn't have to, people don't have to have powers for the skull slice, Samson did it to Sylar's mother, but she's not known to have a power. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:03, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Isn't it passive though? I always saw it as like shutting your eyes whilst sneezing, its an involuntary reaction. I understand that there were ways he could deal with the effects of the hunger (i.e. future Gabriel with Noah) but not the actual hunger itself Quote: "there's a hunger, to know more, to need more, I can't control it". So it would make sense if he were experiencing the hunger right now but resisting it, but it appears that the hunger itself isn't occuring which means something about his IA is different. Perhaps its tied in to the whole empathy thing. As for Arthur, I don't think a satisfactory explanation for how he resisted the hunger was ever given personally. (EvilMaldini)
            • The Hunger? It's either there or it's not, like I said, Arthur never got the Hunger because he never accessed the ability, BTE told us that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:47, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
              • Well it looks like the hunger part of the ability is in matt.Gamerelite1 18:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
                • Matt doesn't have IA, plus he doesn't crave for powers. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
                • I didn't say matt has IA. I'm saying the "hunger" half of gabriels ability, the part that makes him sylar, has taken up residency in matts head.
                  • I always viewed the Hunger as something couldn't control because of his screwed up life and mental state. He was sold by his dad, watched dad kill his mom, then adoptive dad leaves, leaving him with a mentally unstable mother. He was left feeling like he never amounted to anything, combined with sever psychological trauma, so when the chance came along to be something, the hunger overpowered him and he began to kill. As Nathan, he did not want to kill because that personality could control it, and the "blank" Sylar is obviously horrified of killing.--Ratclaws 10:01, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
  • He already accessed his ability, so he should have 'the hunger', lets find out what their excuse is now for that :D -- (WaterRatj) 02:46, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Yeah, didn't 'Nathan' access it whilst fixing that clock? (EvilMaldini)
  • It would appear to me, that since Arthur did not feel the hunger, it comes with using the ability of IA and not simply having it. Sylar has not used the ability of IA consciously for some time now, since before he was changed into Nathan by Matt. While under Nathan's guise it's possible Matt surpressed it, the better to maintain the illusion. After all, if "Nathan" was feeling the need to relentlessly absorb information it would probably tip Peter or Claire off. As for why he's not feeling it right now? It could be it hasn't activated since he hasn't used the ability of IA consciously yet. But even if it is active now, he's obviously horrified by the idea of killing people, and to do so to his new family would be abhorrent to him. We know the hunger can be controlled since Future Gabriel managed it, because he didn't want to kill. It seems likely to me that Sylar at the moment is much the same. Swm 14:30, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Since Sylar was using his IA for a while(when he was a watchmaker) and didn't really seem to have the hunger I would believe that it is currently in a dormant state and would only return if he started killing people or his original personality was restored. Blaine Salem

The Hard Part

Did Sylar restore time or was he immue to time stop, because he moved his eyes towards Hiro, and there was nothing from Hiro to suggest he restore time.50000JH 17:56, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Hiro lost his concentration, that is very simple to noticed, and is certainly listed somewhere in the wiki. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:19, 26 October 2009 (EDT)