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The United States

It should be noted that with the exception of Hiro, almost everybody in the list was located in the United States.

  • This suggests that the mutation which grants powers originated in the US, and is slowly spreading around the world. --Ted C 14:36, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • Unless it's not "contagious", but rather random. And Suresh's research was just primarily focused in the U.S. Hmmm.- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2007 (EST)
  • There's one person visible on the list from Egypt as well. Plus this isn't the entire list, we've just seen a small portion of it so far, so I don't think there's any real reason to note that we're seeing mostly US locations in this portion. Perhaps the way he's got them sorted there will be clusters of people mostly all from the same country. Perhaps his source of names/locations happens to have more US data than most other countries. In any event I think any speculation that the list contains mostly US names/locations should be left on Theories at least until we've got a large sample of the list to analyze. (Admin 13:26, 13 January 2007 (EST))
    • I completely agree with you, Admin. I think it's interesting to note, but there should definitely not be any speculation, especially on the article's page. If people want to theorize, there's a page for that. Until we know more about the list, nothing should be concluded or hypothesized. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Order of List

I'm curious as to what order these people are listed in. It's not alphabetical, it's not geographical, and it doesn't appear to be in order of age. Any ideas?

-Ryangibsonstewart 14:09, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Perhaps it was the order in which he discovered them. --Psiphiorg 23:39, 22 November 2006 (EST)

The List as Characters

  • Nicole is Niki's Full name How come "the Suresh List" has her as Niki while Charlie is Listed as Charlene?
~ Red = 23:51, 3 January 2007
  • Personally, I don't really have an opinion on whether the "unknown" characters listed on Chandra's list each have their own page or not (though I don't see the harm in it...) But I do think that if there is going to be a page with a list of those characters, they should at least be separated into 2 pages: living and deceased. Ryangibsonstewart 00:18, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • For awhile now only three unknown members of the list have had pages. They seem pretty pointless to me. I vote for deleting them. --Fcphantom 14:57, 4 December 2006 (EST)
      • I tend to agree. We have zero information on these characters, and since they're dead, it's less likely we'll get any info on them than it is that we'll get info on the living ones. If they do become important, we can always re-add the pages.--Hardvice (talk)
        • I think not making the pages right now is a fine idea - though it wouldn't hurt to have them. If someone feels it's so necessary to make them, it does no harm. Kind of pointless, though ... My only thought, in light of the previews for January 22 - Mr. Bennet says that it's of utmost importance who is on the list. I'm sure that's going to be important at some point, and we'll have to revisit the issue when we learn more. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2006 (EST)
          • I took the links out, but they got re-added because of the orphaned pages. Can those three de deleted? It really annoys me that they show up on the Category: Evolved Humans page which we link to so often. It also annoys me that only three of the people on the list have pages and the rest don't. --Fcphantom 18:28, 9 December 2006 (EST)
            • I've placed them in the Articles for Deletion category. They'll get cleared out soon if there aren't any major objections, but I agree they should be deleted. There's not much purpose to them until there's actually some useful information about the characters. (Admin 18:46, 9 December 2006 (EST))
              • How about redirecting them to the list for now? That way, on the one-in-a-million chance that someone comes here and searches for "Felipe Acerra", they'll get a page that has just as much info about good ol' Felipe as the Felipe article has now ... i.e. that he's dead and he's on the list. We can always recreate the articles if Felipe and pals somehow become important later on.--Hardvice (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2006 (EST)
                • Why just three of them, though? People could search for any of the people on that list. Plus if someone uses the search function on the site it should find the names in The list already. The only case I think it would help is where they type in the name of the article manually. Personally, I'd opt to just delete them entirely until there's actually some info on them. They could very well just be names to take up space, we may never actually hear anything about those names. (Admin 20:00, 9 December 2006 (EST))
                  • I say all or none. I don't mind having the pages (they're not hurting anybody), but they are kind of pointless. If someone wants to create a page for each, fine. But until then, delete them. Redirecting them to "the list" wouldn't really work because the only page that links to those people are "the list". I say delete the pages for now. There's not so much info that we can't re-add them later on, if necessary. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:38, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Names in the List

  • In light of David Berman's name being on the list, I searched through the other names, and I found out that Amid Halebi was a character credited in the first episode (Genesis) on TV.com, [1] played by Omid Abtahi. I don't recall seeing this character, but there should be some significance here, right? Reubs1 5:27, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • From what I've heard, this was intended to be the Engineer. He wasn't named in the version in which he appeared (the 72 minute cut of In His Own Image.)--Hardvice (talk) 05:43, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • Yup, that's definitely him: [2].--Hardvice (talk) 05:45, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Another Screenshot

Great work on compiling the names! ... I don't have access to doing screen shots, but I remember the episode last week showing more names after Hiro's ... Does anybody have a better list (or a better screenshot?), or is this just minutae that can be left alone... Ryangibsonstewart 15:34, 28 November 2006 (EST)

  • I checked Six Months Ago ... it's the same as Homecoming, unfortunately. I think it's the same shot, even.--Hardvice (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Identified vs Suspected Evolved Humans

Is this list really a list of identified evolved humans, or just suspected? My argument is that Sylar appeared on the list, and Chandra turned him away. Plus, people appeared on the list before their powers appeared ... Any thoughts? Ryangibsonstewart 22:58, 28 November 2006 (EST)

  • Sounds right to me, and I believe we've referred to it as a list of suspected or presumed evolved humans on some of the pages which link here.--Hardvice (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Other names on the List

Should there be a list of people that are mentioned as being on the list but their names are not shown? (note: not who could be on the list, but who is on the list) Level 13:38, 15 December 2006 (EST)

Sounds ok to me. I am assuming that the list actually represents everyone with special powers. In that case, it would be everyone who appears in Category:Evolved Humans. Other than Claire Bennet, I'm not sure who else was mentioned as being on the list (to date). --Orne 14:13, 15 December 2006 (EST)
We can't tell who all is listed offscreen, of course, but I thought it was interesting that Nathan is listed, but Peter is not.--Hardvice (talk) 14:28, 15 December 2006 (EST)
It's interesting, too, that Hiro and some dude named Abu are the only ones not from America. (And that all the states are abbreviated except for Sparrow Redhouse - by the way, what a name!) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2006 (EST)
Well, if Mr. Redhouse is an American Indian, it may be that they are referencing a reservation in New Mexico, which would be outside of the jurisdiction of the US government (and possibly not have a registered town name). Checking Google for a bit, Redhouse is a valid last name for the Navajo Council, New Mexico. --Orne 15:26, 15 December 2006 (EST)

New Sections

The new sections seem a little redundant. It's pretty easy to tell who we've seen (they have links) and who is dead (they're in red) already. Also, as written it's in the wrong person and perspective.--Hardvice (talk) 13:17, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Agree. Aside from the formatting issues, it's good information. However, we've already seen it in the table above. It's basically just taking the list and putting it into a different format. I think it's unnecessary. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:21, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Dead People

We can't really assume any of the dead people on the list are Sylar's victims. Why not? Because Mohinder found the list in his father's office in India. That means he more than likely hasn't updated that copy since he left for New York -- before there even was a Sylar. We know it doesn't update itself (Charlie is still listed as alive). It's possible Chandra stored it on a remote server, but there's no evidence to support that conclusion, and in any case, several of Sylar's victims have been killed since Chandra was murdered.--Hardvice (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Agree - I think we're tending to speculate a lot about the list. In the end, we know very little about it — we know that it contains a list of suspected evolved humans (and we know who some of them are). We know that Chandra kept this list, and so it's probably about 6 months old. That's really about it. You make some great points about including the dead people, Hardvice. I think we need to remove all speculation. (One note - didn't Mohinder find the flash drive containing the algorithm in the lizard's aquarium - meaning in New York? I know he looked at the algorithm in India, but I assumed that was from the flash drive. In the end, it makes little difference because of the other points you made - I just need clarification.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2006 (EST)
He did indeed find the flash drive with a copy of the algorithm (and rpesumably the list) in New York, which means Chandra had a copy with him (no big surprise, since he was contacting people from it). However, the algorithm which Mohinder was unable to unlock and access the list from was already running on Chandra's desktop computer in Chennai when Mohinder returned to his office, so that one is at least 6 months out of date. Mohinder never got the password prompt with the algorithm he retrieved from the flash drive in New York (at least not on screen). It's possible that now that he knows how to unlock it, he's done so with the New York copy--I'm sure Chandra would keep that copy up to date up until his death. However, all of Sylar's killing about which we know (with the exception of Brian Davis and the guy in Turning Point) occurred after Chandra's murder, so even an updated list wouldn't include them. Another interesting point: shouldn't the Chennai copy of the list still contain Claire's name, even if Eden was able to expurgate it from the New York list? Hmmm.--Hardvice (talk) 17:45, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Peter on the list

  • Should we include the info from the NBC videos claiming Peter is on the list right in the body there? They're not canon and their accuracy seems to be in question. The other references are from canonical sources. I think perhaps it should be moved to the Notes section. Granted he's most likely on the list, but it seems out of place to me amongst the other canonical sources. (Admin 16:19, 13 January 2007 (EST))
    • I agree. There's no reason to include it on the main article page yet. Every other time NBC says something (right or wrong) we put it in the Notes section. For consistency alone, let's do the same. I'll take of it now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:55, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Curtis

In Trivia... it says he has a Myspace. Now, I'm getting a gut feeling it's not official. I have a feeling it's a fan who named himself after someone in the list. The comments date back to June 8th of 2006... --Riddler 18:22, 24 January 2007 (EST)

  • Agreed. I think if it was an official page like Claire's, he wouldn't have a big banner for Heroes under TV shows. It rather spoils the illusion.--Hardvice (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Claire's birthname

I removed the note about Claire being on the list as Claire Gordon. First, there's no indication that's her birthname. Regardless, she was on there as Claire Bennet, or at least as a name that Dr. Suresh would link with Mr. Bennet. On top of all that, Dr. Suresh had a picture of her from her yearbook, so he definitely knew her current name. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:18, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I recall Mohinder stating that Dale was found through the Human Genome Project via her donating blood or something. Even though Wikipedia does not seem to describe that the HGP operates in this fashion -- maintaining a full searchable database of DNA of so many people -- if this is the method used in the story, then a person's birth name is probably not that relevant as whatever name is used at the time their DNA is entered into the HGP. In Claire's case, it seems to be well after her birth. -- Glue 22:11, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Re: The Fix

Wouldn't there be '37' names on the list, as Bennet is supposed to have forced him (I assume via The Haitian) to remove Claire's name? Also, there seems to be an attempt over on "9th Wonders" to form a list based on how many people we know to have powers. --Yoshie (talk) 10:37 EST, 30 January 2007 (EST)

If Mr. Bennet did succeed in getting her name off of the list, then yes there originally could have been 37 or more names on the list. "The list" in it's current form, however, apparently only contains 36 names. The list isn't a complete list of everyone with abilities it seems but rather just the ones Chandra identified through his research up to the point where he was killed. (Admin 10:40, 30 January 2007 (EST))
It's very likely that Bennet did succeed, as Sylar has been working off of the map he stole from Chandra. Sylar did not find out about Claire until the news report about her saving the fireman from the train. Also, considering the scope of metahumans who have been identified and Mohinder's speech last night, I got the impression that we were ment to assume that there are only 37 total metahumans (at least for now). --Yoshie (talk) 10:45 EST, 30 January 2007 (EST)
I notice that we've actually listed a total of 41 names for people who are supposedly on The List. --Ted C 14:54, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Claire could have been removed, and there's no reason to suspect Sanjog's on the list apart from the fact that Chandra knew he was an evolved human. The Brian Davis/David Berman thing could be a mistake. That drops us down to 38 (maybe), but that's still too many.--Hardvice (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2007 (EST)
If you exclude those who are listed as Deceased on Chandra's list (not including those who are known to have died after the list was created), it is less than 36. Perhaps Mohinder said this due to the fact that he's not seeking out dead people.--Baldbobbo 21:31, 31 January 2007 (EST)
The easiest resolution may be that Mohinder is not counting the people on the list who are known to be dead and there are some additional names on the list that we have not seen. --Ted C 16:51, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Ok, so if all the people Mohinder mentioned were on the list, along with transcripts of it, in Godsend, there would be 39 people (this does not include Gabriel Gray or Brian Davis since there was no mention of them nor were their names printed anywhere...yet). This is strictly from printed text and dialog from Mohinder. Now, as of The Fix, we now know that a few of those people are dead, including Sara Ellis. So, eliminating those deceased would give us 26, again excluding Brian Davis, Claire and Sylar.

So, Mohinder tells Nathan that his father compiled a list of 36 individuals with the genetic marker. Now prior to this episode, we know that there are 39 individuals either verbally or textually proven to be on the list. This is contradictory, so we have to make some assumption. 1) Production/writing error, which is possible, or 2) the more likely case, that Mohinder excluded those he knew to be deceased (somewhere along the line), which means there are 10 more names the writing staff can create.

I'm tired of looking into this, but since there was a specific number mentioned by Mohinder, along with names we definately know of being on the list, either referenced by Mohinder or shown in transcript, it seems that some count needed to be made. One thing that is mentioned above, however, is the mention of people who are noted in files by Chandra. This would include Brian Davis and Sanjog. Although these are people that Chandra is aware about (as are the people on the map), we are not definitely sure that their names were produced on the list from the blood samples donated to the HGP. Claire's name was on it, but it was removed from Eden (Six Months Ago). Since Mr. Bennet didn't receive any phone calls from Mohinder about Claire, I think it's safe to say that Eden was successful in removing the name from the file Chandra had in Madras.

OK I'm done.--Baldbobbo 15:00, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Notes on the cover...

  • In The Fix when Nathan is at Mohinder's apartment Mohinder shows Nathan a file of information there are some notes jotted on the cover. They may be names of powers, but I dont have HD so it was too grainy for me to make out. Is there any good information on the cover and is it worthy of an HD screencap? (Admin 15:27, 30 January 2007 (EST))
Mozaic file.jpg
    • I uploaded one last night. Still pretty hard to make out. Mosaic with a Z? Must be related to Liza.--Hardvice (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2007 (EST)
      • I wonder if anyone else got that joke? --Fcphantom 09:17, 31 January 2007 (EST)
  • I took a screen cap into photoshop and enhanced it a bit:
Mozaic

Parapsychology / Telekinesis
 
EEG Reports
Psychokinesis article
Neurocognitive deficits
Human Flight Potential
Teleportation

--Frantik (Talk) 10:52, 19 February 2007 (EST)



List seen on 'Run!'

The list was seen very briefly when Mohinder pulls the post-it note for Zane.

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Known characters on this portion of the list: Issac, Hiro, Matt, Nathan, Niki Conspicuously absent: Peter (list is alphabetized by last name, so he should be right under Nathan)

Full list:

  • Teresa Hue Pham (blue ink)
  • Ethan Kimball (red ink)
  • Sue Landers
  • Issac Mendez (checkmark)
  • Noel Menzies
  • Joel Murphy
  • Hiro Nakamura
  • Mathew Parkman
  • Nathan Petrelli (checkmark)
  • Leonie Pinkham (red ink)
  • Sparrow Redhouse (question mark)
  • Niki Sanders
  • ... (not on known list)
  • A.. (Adam Soo Hoo?)
  • Th.. (not on known list - likely Theodore Sprague)
  • Li.. (Linda Tavara?)
  • Zane (checkmark - Zane Taylor?)


I'll see about getting a higher resolution image. --Frantik 07:26, 13 February 2007 (EST) Nevermind, I figured out all the blurry names using the known names list. At least Sue Landers is confirmed. --Frantik 07:35, 13 February 2007 (EST)

  • So is Zane Taylor "on the list" or just "mentioned as being on the list"? -Level 02:42, 17 February 2007 (EST)
    • It's really the same thing. Mohinder has the original list -- we can assume that if he says somebody is on the list, then they are on the list. However, we won't change the transcribed list since we haven't seen the name on Chandra's computer. But he belongs right there alongside others who are mentioned but not seen on the list. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:22, 17 February 2007 (EST)
  • The unknown name looks like it could be Theodore Sprague, but he hasn't been seen on the list before. -Level 12:48, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • That would be the right place alphabetically. I'll bet that's him. Which gives us what now, 40 people on the list of 36 names?--Hardvice (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • Dale Smither would fit in the last space. Also does the A name look blue to anyone else? -Level 02:28, 20 February 2007 (EST)

I remember hearing in an interview from one of the writers that Hana and Sparrow would be featured in the show eventually. Perhaps this is why Sparrow has a question mark. --Bob 23:11, 15 February 2007 (EST)

  • For the cool name alone, I'd love to meet him. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2007 (EST)

List from The Map

  • In the config file for the NBC Interactive Map, there is a full list of the active areas (and people)) on the map. Sure beats guesswork. Bkdelong 22:16, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • omg hax! :D --Frantik (Talk) 23:19, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Continuity error

  • If the main chart that's been compiled has 34 names on the list and then we have the names of others who were mentioned to be but not actually seen on the list, it exceeds 36 names by a lot. Why then does Mohinder say that his list has 36 names? Did the writers forget this? Should this be noted in the article? FlyingMan 21:58, 1 March 2007 (EST)
    • Look up a few sections at Re: The Fix. Discussed there.--Baldbobbo 22:12, 1 March 2007 (EST)
      • My thought is Mohinder was talking about living people. That would be 25 people listed, plus Zane and Dale, and others. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:52, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Full list on T-Shirt?

There is a Heroes "are you in the list" T-Shirt on sale in Wal-Mart. From what I saw, the names do not have anything to do with the list in the show

Stellatomailing 00:26, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Something tells me that that shirt isn't official merchandise.. --Frantik (Talk) 02:14, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe. There are other T-Shirts with the same brand and the official show logo close to it. Stellatomailing 09:56, 15 March 2007 (EDT)


Elena LaCarte

I see Elena on the website, but not here... the list on the website is non-canonical? Stellatomailing 21:55, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

  • The list is only for people that appear on the list as seen on the show. There are others we know are on the list, but haven't been seen. As for those who are only shown on Heroes 360 sites, like Elena LaCarte, they are on Heroes 360-related articles. You can see her on the interactive map--she's the last person mentioned in the list, and the second to last photo in the gallery. She's also on the list of evolved humans, listed alphabetically by her last name. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:36, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Now that's an answer. Thanks! Stellatomailing 16:24, 21 March 2007 (EDT