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==Hooded Killer== |
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So Isaac has painted a series of eight, most likely showing eight of the remaining nine's deaths. Kaito said "of all of them, I never expected it would be you." So wouldn't the [[hooded killer]] be a member?--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 13:03, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* I forgot that one....should we start off with it as a note, since we know so little about the Hooded killer so far? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/4/2007 13:11 (EST)</small> |
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! Archived Topics |
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* This would make a great Note, but we can't confirm that the hooded killer is the unkilled 9th member. He or she could simply be working for the unkilled 9th member, or a manifestation of the unkilled 9th member's power, or something.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:43, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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==Date of the photo== |
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Just making sure, but there was no date given to the photo, right? I've seen references ranging from 2006, 1990, or 1977. Their apparent ages imply that it is in the not-to-recent past, but being a production like it is, 1990 is a possibility. It would have to be before April 2006 (because of Arthur), but 1977 seems out of the question (since they showed it with a Takei-played Kaito in the same ep as Young Kaito, e.g. not retconned).--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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*Somewhere in the middle, I'd say. They used the "older" actors, but they seemed to make them all a bit younger. We really don't know a date, obviously, but if I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's probably somewhere in the '90s. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:32, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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*Has anyone noticed that in the photo, there is no angel statue on the right hand side of the circular statue thing, maybe this was a feature put in by [[Charles]]. I believe it was shown in the flashbacks with [[HRG]], [[Kaito]], Young [[Hiro]] and Baby [[Claire]], so it must be before that. --[[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 15:58, 6 May 2009 (EDT) |
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==[[Adam Monroe]]== |
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Perhaps we should add Adam to this page. Although he's not in the group of twelve, he was clearly the founder of the Company. -- [[User:LightSpectra|LightSpectra]] 17:25, 15 December 2007 (EST) |
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*He brought the founders together, but did not necessarily found the Company himself. To say so would be a little speculative. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:45, 15 December 2007 (EST) |
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* [[Joe Pokaski]] and [[Aron Coleite]] in this [http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12002 CBR Q&A discussion], state that [[Bob]] is a member of '''The Group of Twelve'''.<small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/4/2007 13:11 (EST)</small> |
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**So what exactly is Adam's part? In 1961, Angela, Bob, Charles and Daniel are the ones who form it, but what part does he play?--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 17:46, 14 April 2009 (EDT) |
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***That's why it's in the notes section.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 13:39, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**** He does need to be removed from the infobox, the image, and the gallery, though.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:41, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***** Argh! I removed him from the infobox and then undid my remove when I saw the Notes. Now should I undo my undo? My thoughts: if the pictures aren't in, his name shouldn't be in the infobox. -- [[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 13:46, 11 October 2007 (EDT) |
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******If there is so much info about Bob being one of the six, and Joe and aron continually talking about him shouldn't we just add him in the photos. I don't see how it'll hurt.Or we could write that he is a "possible" member. [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 20:01, 14 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*******It's not in any canon source that he's a member. That's why it's in the "notes". Based on canon sources (aired episodes, GN's), there is no indication whatsoever that he was a member. So putting "possible" member is speculation, which should go on a theory page. However, since we know from the writers that he will be in the photo, it makes sense to make it a note.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 20:08, 14 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== Founder ≠ Evolved == |
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==Infobox Image== |
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I imagine that at some point we'll be able to use the complete version of the photo of which the [[:Image:Death notices.jpg|death threats]] sent to [[:Image:KaitosDeathThreat.jpg|Kaito]] and [[:Image:AngelaDeathThreat.jpg|Angela]] seem to be a part. -- [[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 16:27, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* That would definitely be my #1 choice as well. It'll be an image from the show showing (hopefully) all twelve members.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:29, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** Well, we've got a shot of it now, I believe. I put in a request at [[Heroes Wiki:Requested Screen Captures]], but I think you ([[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]]) are [[Image talk:The Group of Twelve.jpg#New photo!|already on it]]. -- [[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 00:11, 16 October 2007 (EDT) |
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Even though many of the Company's founders have abilities ([[Bob]], [[Harry Fletcher]], [[Paula Gramble]], [[Linderman]], [[Maury]]), being a founder does not necessarily equal being an evolved human in the way that being on [[the list]] does. It is likely that [[Charles]], [[Kaito]], [[Angela]], and [[Mr. Petrelli]] all have abilities, but none of that has ever been confirmed. That still leaves [[Carlos Mendez]], [[Victoria Pratt]], and the blonde lady. We should really be careful about not making that leap. See [[Talk:The Company's founders/Archive 1#Abilities|here]] for a further discussion. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:26, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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==Linderman as leader== |
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* Do we know that Linderman was the leader of the original group, and not merely a leader in The Company (which, after all, wasn't necessarily started by the ''entire'' group)?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:41, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** No, we don't. It's only implied, I believe, because of Linderman's great power. If the 12 are the ones who started the Company (which, yeah, okay, they are), then Bob says that they were a group of "likeminded individuals". Sure, there may have been a leader, but I have a feeling they were peers and equals more than anything else. Nobody ever said Linderman was the leader. Technically, he's not even the leader of the Company, he's just the purse. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:28, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** From Cristine Rose's comments about imagining them meeting at Woodstock, I can't help but get the impression that they all started off as equals, and only as things soured and power struggles started did they polarize into camps with defined leaders. I mean, Angela (and presumably Dallas) definitely appear to have followed Linderman's lead, but that doesn't mean he was the leader of the group at inception.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 21:31, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== Deceased Members == |
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For now, can we italicize members presumed deceased? We know Charles, Linderman and Kaito are deceased. We believe Mr. Petrelli to be deceased. It might help us keep track of who's left.--[[User:NissanVersaDootDoot|NissanVersaDootDoot]] 17:57, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*P.S. I'm stating it this way because I'm only marginally sure of Mr. Petrelli's death. For the time being, I have a 0% trust in a word Angela says. ;) -- [[User:NissanVersaDootDoot|NissanVersaDootDoot]] |
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** Good call. I've done so in the infobox. I ''thought'' about greying out (or Xing out) the dead in the image, but there's a lot going on in that image already.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:28, 4 October 2007 (EDT) |
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==The unnamed female== |
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Her name appears to be Susan.--[[User:Gonzalo84|Gonzalo84]] 16:15, 13 April 2008 (EDT) |
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Why exactly does "Lindermans Coterie" redirect here? ...Why exactly do we even have that page?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:38, 7 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* It looks like it starts with an S and has an A, but it also looks like there's a Z. [[:Image:Sue who.jpg|Here are some high def screenshots]]. Ultimately, it's too hard to figure out, so we're not putting anything definite about it. The discussion should be continued [[Talk:Suzanne Ammaw|at this link]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:33, 13 April 2008 (EDT) |
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* It is a slightly odd redirect. It's used exactly once, and I can't imagine anyone either searching for it or intentionally linking to it. That said, it isn't really hurting anything. And "coterie" is a cool word.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 22:06, 7 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**Issue 4 of Heroes: The Official Magazine contains a list on Page 77 of the founders, including a "Susan Ammaw", just to let everyone know.--[[User:Heroes360|Heroes360]] 15:39, 30 May 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Who wrote the article? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:41, 30 May 2008 (EDT) |
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**** It definetely looks like Suzanne Amman [[:Image:Sue who.jpg|picture]]. The N in Amman looks just like in [[:Image:Group of 12 postitnotes.jpg]], but [[User:Shoyru1177|I]] would like to read the article just in case. Where can I find the mag? |
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***** The issue in question is not whether or not we can read the Post-It note--it's [[Talk:Suzanne Ammaw|already been discussed]] that it's inconclusive. The issue in question is whether we or not we go with what it says in the ''[[Heroes: The Official Magazine]]''. There has been talk before about that publication not being a [[canon]] source. If it's a writer who is quoting one of the creatives associated with the production of the show, then great. If it's just a writer who is listing what he thinks is the name, then no, we don't use the name. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT) |
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****** I agree; we need to know who wrote the article and maybe also the source used for the article. Heroes: The Official Magazine is one of several magazines produced by Titan Magazine...it's not written by the creators of ''Heroes''.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:06, 30 May 2008 (EDT) |
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******* I asked and it was answered [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281]. I'm just stating this here so you all know where I'm coming from. "''Is her name Susan Ammaw?''" "'''I believe it’s Amman. And yes. Amman.'''" <-- So it's Susan Amman. Whoever wrote the mag probably got the most popular name which was Susan Ammaw. Problem solved now? - [[User:Cael|Cael]] 21:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT) |
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******** Good spot! I've been waiting for this to come out, and it was looking to me like there wouldn't be one.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT) |
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==Suzanne's page== |
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== Age of the Picture == |
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Can an administrator please undelete this and move it to Suzanne Amman? I believe the article was deleted several times, then frozen by an administrator so that people would stop recreating it.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:41, 30 September 2008 (EDT) |
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* Done. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:45, 30 September 2008 (EDT)) |
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** Thanks. I think it should be changed back to Suzanne, or her first name removed altogether. The full name appears to be how it's written to me. The writers only confirmed her last name. It was asked whether her full name was Susan Ammaw, and they replied, "I believe it's Amman. And yes. Amman." That isn't a confirmation of her first name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:47, 30 September 2008 (EDT) |
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== The Twelve Apostles == |
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My Tivo ate last night's episode, so I can't check - but did Nathan mention how old that picture was? |
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They have a resemblance to the twelve apostles. They were brought by one single man who wished to change the world, and both had amazing abilities, albeit the two had different views for the humanity's destiny ([[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 08:22, 5 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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Two other observations: First, Charles Deveaux was already in a wheelchair when this photo was taken, indicating that he either fought cancer for more than a decade, or that he was always crippled. An interesting tidbit. The second item is this - could the woman to the left of Charles Deveaux be his wife? He is not, to my knowledge, identified as a widower, so he may have been divorced - and she was not identified as dead by Kaito. Maybe I'm just reading more into it than there is - but I thought I'd mention it. [[User:Ultraexactzz|ZZ]] 20:16, 16 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* ...One ''immortal'' man! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:03, 5 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Unless Charles has a flesh-colored wedding band, he does not have a ring on his left hand in the photo.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] <span style="font-size: 7pt;">([[User talk:Baldbobbo|Talk]])</span> 14:02, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*Jesus Christ... an evolved human? why not? i think i'm going to put that in the trivia.--[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 07:24, 17 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Still alive? == |
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==Image Map Problem== |
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Is anyone besides me seeing a messed up image map. In my browser, the first three columns of the middle row get copied and rendered half-way over the top row. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:52, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*Same here, is how is shows up for me. I'm using IE6. --[[User:Simply_Agrestic|Simply Agrestic]] 11:15, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**Me too, and I'm on IE7.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 11:19, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I reverted the article back to the static image of the group for now. I'll let Hardvice know his map is having trouble in IE. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:36, 17 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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*** At the same time, allow me to also personally suggest switching to Firefox, it's a nicer browser. :) Even IE7 still has problems with newer CSS. If you don't have it already there are links at the bottom of site. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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****Problems aside, I would personally prefer having an image of [[:Image:Group of twelve.jpg|the photograph]] as the lead image, and use the image map somewhere in the article's body. But that's just my preference, I don't have a strong opinion one way or another. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:51, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* I'm frankly surprised sticking a template call in the image field worked at all. I'll look into it, but it's probably not fixable. No great loss. I just thought it was fun. And what Admin said: Firefox is a much better browser, and this site looks much nicer in it (as do many others).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:00, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** Bigfoot Lover just patched the IE image map bug on [[BionicWiki:Template:Principalmap|BionicWiki]], if you want to check it out. The bug is that IE incorporates the border width when doing absolute position, and this affects the 'top' attribute. The patch in [[BionicWiki:MediaWiki:Common.js|BionicWiki's MediaWiki:Common.js]] allows for an extra 'ietop' style attribute which overrides the 'top' style attribute if the browser is IE.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 18:36, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** Just to be clear, does this affect all image maps, or just those included within other templates? Either way, we should probably patch it.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:47, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**** It is usable on all image maps made using a div tag, so it doesn't matter whether the map is included in a template or not. However, you have to manually add an extra 'ietop' style attribute to correct the spacing of each div as needed.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:10, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***** Took me a while, but I got it. Incidentally, this bug was only throwing it off by two pixels. The rest of the problem was just bad formatting.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 19:28, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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****** Right, it depends on the border width and it only seems to apply to images on the map that do not touch the top border. Normally the border width is only a few pixels (in the BionicWiki example, it was off by 3 pixels), but those 3 pixels can distort the image noticeably, especially if the image is small like Jaime's bionic eye.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:37, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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[http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18423 CBR] |
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== Joanna Cassidy as Victoria Platt == |
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'''“Also, you mentioned Isaac's father last week as another company founder. Was he off'd by Adam during his rampage, or was he in on it as Maury was?”''' |
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Tim Kring: "We will be seeing more of the final five people in the photo (the older generation). The photo actually had a life of its own. It was very difficult to get all the actors lined up. And yes, the photo is as accurate as we could make it. For instance, the woman in the photo who looked an awful lot like Joanna Cassidy was indeed Joanna Cassidy."[http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/] |
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--[[User:SignificantNumber9|SignificantNumber9]] 12:10, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* Also, at [http://www.joannacassidy.com/welcome.htm Joanna Cassidy's Welcome Page], it states in the "What's New At JoannaCassidy.com" section: "Joanna has just finished filming an episode of the NBC series HEROES. Check back for more info." If there's any more question, then you can check out [http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k18/1HERO/204/KoSJoannaCassidy.png this comparison] using [http://www.joannacassidy.com/bushcolorone.jpg this pic] from Joanna Cassidy's gallery. Seems Joanna's character has a scar on her left cheek... [[User:'ROESian|'ROESian]] |
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''I don’t believe he is on the list of the deceased. I believe there were a couple people left on Adam’s list that he didn’t get to.'' |
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* Anybody recognize any of the other actors? -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 12:25, 17 October 2007 (EDT) |
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[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 09:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** I think the guy that is theorized to be Mr. Herrera is Richard Bradford. I just got Earth 2 on DVD and there he was. I could be wrong but if anyone wants to check it, go ahead. - Modestoddesy 17:07, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* I'm only going from memory, but given this new info, I believe it's (including Adam): <br /> '''Known Alive:''' Carlos Mendez, Adam Monroe (Takezo Kensei / Richard Sanders), Maury Parkman, Angela Petrelli, Arthur "Dallas" Petrelli <br /> '''Known Dead:''' Robert "Bob" Bishop, Charles Deveaux, (Mr.) Daniel "Austin" Linderman, Kaito Nakamura, Victoria Pratt <br /> '''Unknown:''' Susan Amman, Harry Fletcher, Paula Gramble -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 10:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** It certainly looks like him.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:46, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* They didn't sound too sure. The photo says they're deceased so we should go with that until we know otherwise. I think they forgot who was marked as deceased on the photo and who wasn't. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 10:32, 14 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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== Multiple Photo Variations == |
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** That's a good point, I agree. There's enough doubt in my mind.<br />Besides, didn't Matt, on the show, say something about them being dead (going from memory)? So until we get some 'on the show' confirmation, the show trumps the writers, anyway. -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 11:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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I started a new page involving the multiple photo variations of the group of 12, then was asked by Admin to start a discussion of it in here, to see what everyone thought in regards to it being only a production snafu, or a true plotline arc being introduced. |
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*** One thing that stands out in my mind is in ''Four Months Later...'' when Kaito tells Angela regarding the founders "now there are 9", but later in ''Cautionary Tales'' Matt mentions that they're all dead except for Bob, Angela, Maury, and Victoria Pratt. So did Adam kill the rest of them in the time between the two episodes? [[User:Clay wise|Clay wise]] 17:12, 16 April 2009 (EDT) |
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<br>Here is [[User:HiroDynoSlayer/Group of twelve picture variations|the link to my userpage]] showing and documenting several variations. I am pretty sure there are more variations as well, and if anyone is aware of others, please feel welcomed to add more to the page. Perhaps at some point it merit replacing back somewhere in the main namespace. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:18 (EST)</small> |
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**** Isn't it possible that Kaito didn't know who was alive and who was dead? Or perhaps he was talking about people who had been attacked by Adam. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:26, 16 April 2009 (EDT) |
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* I don't think it will ever stand up as an independent article, however the question is whether the content on it should be merged into [[Group of twelve]]. If it turns out the differences were intentional and part of the plot then the answer will definitely be yes. Until then we can't be positive whether it's hinting at something suspicious or whether it was just a production oversight. So the question is if we assume it's a production oversight would it be worthwhile to go into that level of detail including a gallery of the picture differences or does that digress from the point of the article? The answer to that essentially determines what level of detail we go into prior to finding out whether or not there's some plot involving variations of the photo. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:23, 18 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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** I agree completely if it is a production snafu, then it shouldn't even be mentioned. I believe, however, because of the number of differences, and the mystery surrounding the photo and its members to begin with, that it surely can't be that many production snafus. You know they would be expecting the Fans to pic these pictures apart with fine-tooth combs. I really can't see them being that careless in regards to that many photos and photo differences. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:27 (EST)</small> |
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***And I believe that in a production as big as ''Heroes'', mistakes are made often, especially when trying to schedule 12 "bigwig" actors to pose for a picture on the same day. Shortcuts are indubitably made, and inconsistencies are the result. I'm not in the business of pointing out production errors. But it's true, there may be Something To It. I would put, at most, a note that reads something along the lines of "It appears that more than one version of Nathan's photograph exists. Whether this is a production error or intentional is unknown." -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:47, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**** Just made your suggestion change above. Is it completely off-limits to add a url-link in that note to the page with the picture differences? I would think that others would like to see what these differences may or maynot be, and wouldn't want to have to go and dig-out the photos of the differences themselves, since I already have them grouped onto a single page. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/18/2007 12:54 (EST)</small> |
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***** The pictures are already uploaded here, right? It sounds reasonable to include internal links directly to the images in question. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:56, 18 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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****** The image links are a terrific idea. That way it still reads nicely, but anybody interested in doing some sleuthing can click on the links to see the images. It's nice that they don't clutter up the page for those who just want to read about the group of twelve, and not about possible continuity errors. Yet it's all there for those that so desire. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:15, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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******* <s>No one's</s> HDS has mentioned (did he get that from my post?) that the first time you see Nathan picking up the photo, you can see that the prop photo used also has a person in Bob's position with a lighter-colored suit. And yet, just a few seconds later, we see the front of Nathan's photo with Matt's miraculously-changed Kaito pic in a bag for comparison. It's all (probably) a deliberate error, because Matt has the sealed evidence bag with the Kaito's photo (you can read, when he first gets the evidence, that the bag has the box for "sealed" marked), and you can see where, unless Matt's gained a new ability, the color of the suit of the person to the left of Kaito has changed color. You can log in to 9thWonders to see [http://boards.9thwonders.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=519736 this post] explaining it. My previous two posts in that thread also are relevant. [[User:'ROESian|'ROESian]] |
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******** Isn't this already in the [[Group of twelve#Notes|notes]] section? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:53, 19 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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********* So I got around to reading HDS's stuff and edited my previous entry accordingly. I know credit doesn't matter, but elsewhere I noted about that tan suit in Nathan's full photo of the 12, and I was wondering if he added that tan suit observation 'cuz of what I shared... At least no one at 9thW had noted that, and HDS posts there asking about screenshots, so I was just curious. [[User:'ROESian|'ROESian]] |
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********** I don't have a clue. You're welcome to ask him. :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 19:16, 19 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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** I agree with Admin that it should definitely be included if it's part of the plot. However, I'd say we should at least mention the variation in a Note even if it's just a prop inconsistency. We've done the same for other errors, like Mohinder's apartment number, Niki's registration vs. Nii's house number, the reversed symbol on the Kensei sword, etc. Usually, the goal isn't to point out that the producers messed up, it's just to note an inconsistency so that readers won't be confused by it. For example, if [[Mohinder's apartment]] just said the number was 613, a reader watching ''Genesis'' might think we were smoking crack. The note we have explains that it was changed in later episodes. And I personally don't think there's any harm in including a gallery of images, even if it is just a production error--again, we're just noting the inconsistency, not blaming anyone or theorizing that it Means Something. I for one went "WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO THE TAN GUY?" when they showed the picture, so in any case it merits an explanation. But if people really object to the gallery, then links to the pictures in the Notes section are probably sufficient (that's how we did the reversed Symbol on the Kensei sword). All that having been said, I think the shots of the ''back'' of the picture are stretching it a bit. The props guys tend not to be too careful with shots like that, because nobody in their right mind (which rules all of us out) is likely to care, and which is why you can still see Turbaned Chandra (briefly) when Nathan sets down ''Activating Evolution''.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:50, 18 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* For what it's worth, [[Tim Kring]] said, "I just have to tell you, the photo has got a life of its own, because, logistically, it was so difficult to actually come up with this photograph that's used now and refers to things that are shot well in the future here. It was very difficult to get that all lined up. But, yes, the photo is as accurate as we can make it." [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=44853] -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:18, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== [[Richard Drucker|Drucker]] == |
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== Name of the Group: NUMERATI== |
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I feel that his close association with [[Charles Deveaux|Charles]] and his split-up being so close to the beginning of the [[Shanti virus]]' investigation, [[Adam Monroe|Adam]]'s incarceration, [[Primatech]]'s founding and [[Daniel Linderman|Linderman]]'s acquisition of the [[Kensei sword]] that he should at least be mentioned on the page. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 15:44, 19 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Left alive == |
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Somewhere last season (or between seasons), I came across an interview or clip of Kring referring to the Group by name. It wasn't Illuminati, but it was something similar. Did anyone else see this? |
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You cant help but wonder since angela is the last one alive, how long will it be for?--[[User:345tom|345tom]] 13:12, 14 December 2008 (EST) |
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Found it! It was an interview with Christine Rose (Angela Petrelli): "There are still a lot of questions that I hope might be answered in the second volume, called 'Generations,'" Rose said. "As the title might intimate, there will be more news about what's gone on before, what might go on in the future. I've been wondering if, if indeed '''Linderman and Angela and others of the Numerati (as Tim Kring refers to us)''', if these plans have been going on for decades, if Angela might not have born her children to be part of this whole plan." |
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*Eh, it's Angela. She seems the sort who'll stay alive out of pure spite. --[[User:Ambro.Baby|AmbroBaby]] 07:05, 31 January 2009 (EST) |
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** I hope AmbroBaby is right, though no one is ever 100% safe in ''Heroes''.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:15, 1 February 2009 (EST) |
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*She'll be hard to kill, seeing as she can see what's coming --[[User:Jenx222|Jenx222]] 18:37, 16 April 2009 (EDT) |
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== Maury == |
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I think this name should be reflected on the article's front page. |
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He joined in 1978. But it is recorded that the company was founded by 12 individuals in 1978. Could this mean Adam is one of the twelve?--[[User:Blood69|Blood69]] 05:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT) |
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* This could be a production nickname for the group rather than anything the group calls themselves. Interesting as a note, say, but I don't think the article should change unless we see "numerati" used in canon. --[[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 14:38, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*It was hinted at in Generations. "There were twelve of us with a common goal. Adam brought us together..." something like that. It's very likely.--''<small>[[User:Boycool42|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 07:46, 30 March 2010 (EDT) |
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** I'm not sure that you can replace someone as a founder. It seems more like...buying the co-founders share in a company. So, when Adam got imprisoned, he left his position up for sale.--''<small>[[User:Boycool42|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 07:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT) |
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== Gallery == |
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*Since we have the image map in the info box (awesome that it works btw), I think that maybe we should have headshots of everyone from the picture versus their character portrait in the gallery (like having Linderman from the picture in the gallery versus the character portrait of Linderman in the gallery). Just my thought on it.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] <span style="font-size: 7pt;">([[User talk:Baldbobbo|Talk]])</span> 01:56, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** Not a bad idea. So we need Angela, Charles, Linderman, Kaito, and Bob from the picture at 200x250 for this, right? Would it be worth updating the image map to use the pictures from the picture as well? Does that sentence make as little sense to you as it does to me?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:10, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***Haha I think the template should have their character portraits since it's identifying them outside of their existence in the photo, but as a group in general. I dunno, I like how it looks right now. Very nice.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] <span style="font-size: 7pt;">([[User talk:Baldbobbo|Talk]])</span> 04:17, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**** Yeah, now that I see it, I agree. In fact, we should replace the other folks with portraits in the image map as we meet them ... unless we get a nice, clear, complete shot of the photo to use instead.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 04:20, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*****The new gallery looks terrific! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 05:47, 19 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*Why'd the picture of Maury Parkman switch to a screenshot from ''Fight or Flight''? All the other pictures are taken from the group photo, so why'd his change? -- [[User talk:Paronine|Paronine]] 13:59, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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**Fixing it now. The file used for Maury's infobox was that picture, and someone updated it with the screenshot.--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit§ion=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 14:32, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*** I fixed it to use the original photo from yesterday. Please delete the duplicate photo. BTW, I think it might be good to show both photos (how they looked then versus now). We could have a new gallery called 2007 Gallery and rename the original to Yesteryear Gallery, since we don't know exactly when the photo was taken but we can assume it was many years ago.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:56, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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****That's why we have the image map as the lead image for the article. Thanks for the heads up, I deleted the duplicate.--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit§ion=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 15:25, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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****I wouldn't mind having a side-by-side comparison, but I'd rather wait until we find out a bit more about the members of the group. FYI, [[template:prophecyrow3]] is pretty versatile now and can handle different sized pictures pretty easily. However, the image map does the job nicely, though I think it'd be really cool to have a side-by-side imagemap to compare. Dunno, I'm just kicking around ideas. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:46, 24 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***** See [[User:MiamiVolts/Group of 12 Then and Now]] for a side-by-side comparison. I don't think prophecy really applies, but the template looks cool.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 04:42, 27 October 2007 (EDT) |
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== Abilities == |
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* I believe the whole idea behind the [[group of twelve]] is that they all possess special abilities (or else they wouldn't have even come together in the first place). If this is true then presence in the picture is proof of a special ability which, for the characters yet unseen, has some repercussions on some other articles. I don't remember the exact scenes involving the picture or the group of twelve, but if anyone could post evidence that the [[group of twelve]] has powers thehn it would be helpful. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 00:49, 27 October 2007 (EDT)) |
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**Well, the only ones who are actually confirmed to have an ability are [[Linderman]], [[Bob]], and [[Maury]]. There's a lot of well-founded speculation around the others. |
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***Linderman tells Nathan that [[Mr. Petrelli]] was "someone with great power" (''[[Landslide]]''). But I should point out that back during the Vietnam War, he was quite surprised to learn of the existence of evolved humans. |
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*** When Claire asks [[Angela]] "So you're like me?" Angela doesn't answer one way or another (''[[.07%]]''). |
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*** [[Charles Deveaux]] had that weird dream thing (''[[How to Stop an Exploding Man]]''). |
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*** The closest thing I could find for [[Kaito]] was when he tells Hiro, "I have waited a long time for a Nakamura to ascend...You have proven yourself worthy of our legacy." However, [[George Takei]] and [[Tim Kring]] have both confirmed him as an EH in external interviews: Takei told Howard Stern that Kaito's powers will be exhibited in Season Two, and Kring told [http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5915 SHH!] that Kaito is an EH. |
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*** Regarding the group as a whole, [[Cristine Rose]] told [http://www.tvguide.com/news/heroes-shocker-murder/070925-02 TV Guide], "I like to think we all met up at Woodstock in the '60s and it was there that we found out about our powers." Food for thought. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:10, 27 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***I thought the training scene with Hiro and Kaito, Kaito makes some comment, and Hiro asks if he's special too, and Kaito nods or something like that. But yeah, there's heavy insinuation about Kaito, Angela and Dallas being EHs, but no evidence so far. And the Charles thing, who knows about that until it's explained a bit.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 01:56, 27 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** Part of the problem is that we've got two statements that don't connect perfectly. Bob says the Company was founded by a group of "special" people. And then Nathan shows a picture of the group of twelve, with Bob in it. They're almost certainly the same group (and Aron and Joe have said as much), but the characters haven't made the connection between the group and the company yet. And there's no way of knowing for sure that everybody was evolved. (Was Angela involved because her husband was evolved, or vice versa, or were they both evolved, or was neither, and they were merely there because of Linderman and Arthur's Vietnam connection?) In addition to the stuff Ryan summed up above, there's also Angela warning Matt to let it go or "they will find out about all of us and what we can do". In sum, it's almost certainly the case that the group was either all or primarily evolved and that they founded the company; however, neither is really confirmed. The original group of twelve could have broken up and a small remainder could have founded the company (they'd have plenty of time to have done so; Linderman and Petrelli were in Vietnam in '68; the Company wasn't founded until '77) on their own, for example.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 12:15, 27 October 2007 (EDT) |
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***Great points. Though there is still a lot to learn about the group, I'd feel uncomfortable making the jump to group founder=evolved human. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:43, 27 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*In my opinion, it wouldn't make sense for only some of them to have powers. I believe they all have powers, but they just haven't been revealed. --[[User:Hornrimmedglasses123|Hornrimmedglasses123]] 22:08, 31 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*I feel that there has been more than enough evidence to confirm that the Group of Twelve were all evolved humans. I understand the need for caution in such matters, but the resistance to accepting the blatantly obvious is bordering on ridiculous. --[[User:Joser Kyind|Joser Kyind]] 00:57, 20 November 2007 (EST) |
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== 12 disciples? == |
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I remember reading in an interview somewhere that Tim Kring has intentionally incorporated Biblical stuff into Heroes, especially with the names of the characters. Should the fact that there are 12 in this group be noted on the [[Faith and religion]] page? Jesus had 12 disciples. Is this too speculative?--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 22:36, 28 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*I don't have the interviews in front of me, but it's been mentioned by more than one person that the names chosen for characters are often Biblically based. I don't know anything about the amount of people in the group being a reference to the Twelve Disciples. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it is an intentional connection (why else choose 12?), I wouldn't put that on the [[God]] page. As it is, some of the names already listed there are either based on speculation or are just plain wrong. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:48, 28 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* Plus, one can't be a disciple in a vacuum. One is a disciple ''of'' someone else. There's no ''Heroes'' Jesus figure yet, so it's really just two groups of twelve people.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:08, 28 October 2007 (EDT) |
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** Well, this turned out to be interestingly [[prophecy|prophetic]]. Adam is indeed the "13th" member of the group, and Linderman was his "disciple". The 12 apostles analogy is looking a lot better now. David Anders as a pre-Renaissance Wapanese evolved human Jesus ... who'd have thunk it?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:09, 6 November 2007 (EST) |
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*** And then we have the still-not-confirmed suggestion that the last name of the current Company leader is [[Bob#Notes|Bishop]]... [[User:Pierre|Pierre]] 15:32, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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* But my understanding of it was they were in the pursuit of an ultimate goal of a perfect evolved human from which to build off of. Hence all of the breeding EH-EH to create the next generation, Peter, Hiro, etc. This is all too speculative though. -[[User:Zeckalpha|Zeckalpha]] 00:33, 30 October 2007 (EDT) |
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*The breeding angle kinda works. It looks to me like none of the original 12 weren't nearly as powerful as the new group. --[[User:MishBaker|Mish]] 22:23, 13 November 2007 (EST) |
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*It is possible that the Group of Twelve was formed by Adam Monroe to be his disciples, as he saw himself as a Christ-figure of sorts. He's certainly shown signs of having a God complex. --[[User:Joser Kyind|Joser Kyind]] 00:59, 20 November 2007 (EST) |
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***OH DEAR - I could see it now Adam=Jesus? [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 01:51, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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:::*In his own mind, anyway. --[[User:Joser Kyind|Joser Kyind]] 16:07, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Unidentified Woman 3 as [[Paulette Hawkins]] == |
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While it's possible that the vaguely dark-skinned woman is Paulette, it's not confirmed in any way. And it's definitely ''not'' [[Tina Lifford]] in the photo. In any case, this is already on the theory page (along with theories that she's Nana Dawson or Simone's mom or the future speed agent or any other black female character, because apparently there are only four of five black women in the whole world), where it belongs.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 12:53, 30 October 2007 (EDT) |
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* She kind of looks like Maya Rudolph of SNL to me, only a bit older. --[[User:PeterDawson|PeterDawson]] 00:58, 6 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Twelve? == |
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I've been on a Heroes binge with my dad, and I just realized something... I haven't heard them call it the Group of 12 anywhere... nor have I heard them refer to twelve members. Kaito DID say "Charles, Linderman, Petrelli, all of them... there are nine left" or something to that effect, but he never said there were exactly twelve. He named three and said nine were left - that adds up to twelve, but he also said "all of them" inferring that there are more. Sure, the picture only shows 12, but someone could be behind the camera/people could be absent. I could be wrong though. Anything I missed?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:29, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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Here is a more exact quote for those who want to ponder [http://www.kilohoku.com/transcripts/heroes/heroes-2X01.html]: "''Charles Deveaux. Linderman. Your husband. All of them. Dead. Now there are nine.''"--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 20:50, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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* Thank you. He named ''at least'' three, but there are more according to "all of them." 9+3+x=y. What could X and Y be?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:59, 11 November 2007 (EST) |
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** Then again, he could have been saying "All of them" in the sense of "Charles, Linderman, and Petrelli are all dead", but the way he said it sounded to me like he was shortening a list of other people. Anyone?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 00:54, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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***I'm really not sure on what to say. There are a lot of ways to look at what Kaito said. But I see what you're saying. He made it seem that there more than just 12. I'm still kind of confused...--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 08:17, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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****How many of them are there in the photo? Then again, saying that, maybe there were group members not involved in the picture ([[Adam Monroe|Adam]] springs to mind). Maybe there were more. I'm inclined to think no - Linderman gave the impression of it being an exclusive group, of like-minded individuals or whatever. Maybe it is slightly more than twelve, but I don't think it can be much more.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 08:53, 12 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Disappointment == |
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This is more of a vent, but am I the only one who is disappointed that all the previously "unnamed" members of the 12 are dead besides [[Victoria Pratt]]? Also, on a different note, the handwriting on every screencap I have seen is so blurry, that I could have sworn that [[Harry Fletcher]] was Henry Fletcher and that [[Carlos Mendez]] was Carlos [[Maarten]], but I could be blind. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 01:37, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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*I'm pretty pissed about it too. I'm just hoping that they'll eventually have some sorta flashback episode where we can actually meet the other four members. [[User:DanMan22|DanMan22]] 01:58, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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**Well I am glad someone agrees. and I checked into the Harry Fletcher, I understand why that has been confirmed. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 04:34, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Thirteen members? == |
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*There are twelve people in the photo... but what about Adam? Where does he fit in? They said he founded it (I think) but does that not make it a group of thirteen?--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 03:08, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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**THey knew he was 400 years old and likley didn't count him as one of the 12. Especially after they imprisoned him. Likely he didnt play an active role other than "father figure" or just acted as a catalyst for those folks.--<strong>[[User:MishBaker|Mish]]</strong>([[User Talk:MishBaker|Talk]]) 11:52, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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**Bob said that Adam brought them together, not that he founded them. There have been [[#12 disciples?|parallels made]] to Jesus (Adam) bringing together his twelve disciples (group of twelve). He's very much associated with them, but not really part of the strict group. Some also say that Adam might be the one taking the photograph. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:06, 21 November 2007 (EST) |
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== Rename to founders? == |
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So with the Heroes:Mobile Game info along with Adam's statement about the founding of the Company, should we rename this to the Founders or something like that, and include Adam somewhere?--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 00:14, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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* Yeah, this should probably be renamed to "the Company's founders", adding Adam as a member. Also, we need to add al of the people in the group of twelve to the Company.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:07, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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** Don't see why we shouldn't rename it to "The Company's founders." --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 17:01, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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*** Fairly moot, since MediaWiki ignores the capitalization of the first letter of links and auto-caps the first letter of article titles. There's no way to rename it to little-t "the Company's founders".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:13, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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**** I'm agree with this rename. We should only uses same words as in the show, and they now use ''founders'' --{{User:FrenchFlo/sig}} 17:17, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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***** I'll do the move right now, but somebody else will have to update the article and the navbars. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:00, 30 November 2007 (EST) |
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==Adam's copy of the photo== |
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So the photo was clearly taken some time ''after'' the Company locked up Adam in '77, considering the appearances of Kaito and Victoria compared to their '77 selves. How the heck did Adam end up with a copy of it in his Montreal warehouse?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:58, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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*There seems to be plenty of copies since Hiro and Nathan both have one. Who's to say that when Adam killed someone he didn't take the picture from them (like one of the people we didn't know about before).--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 14:59, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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**Adam has been travelling around a bit in the week since Peter's absense. I'm sure [[Maury]] gave him a couple of copies of the photo, for [[death threat]]s and such.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 18:25, 27 November 2007 (EST) |
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***Right, Linderman and Maury were Adam's followers. I'm sure either one of the two could have easily given a copy of the photo to Adam.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 20:52, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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****Well, actually, Linderman died before Adam escaped, but I guess he could've had one of his cronies (hmm... Candice?) do the deed in some sort of contingency plan.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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*****Oh yeah, I forgot about that.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 22:34, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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==Date of the photo== |
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Just making sure, but there was no date given to the photo, right? I've seen references ranging from 2006, 1990, or 1977. Their apparent ages imply that it is in the not-to-recent past, but being a production like it is, 1990 is a possibility. It would have to be before April 2006 (because of Arthur), but 1977 seems out of the question (since they showed it with a Takei-played Kaito in the same ep as Young Kaito, e.g. not retconned).--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 22:16, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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*Somewhere in the middle, I'd say. They used the "older" actors, but they seemed to make them all a bit younger. We really don't know a date, obviously, but if I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's probably somewhere in the '90s. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:32, 28 November 2007 (EST) |
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Date of the photo
Just making sure, but there was no date given to the photo, right? I've seen references ranging from 2006, 1990, or 1977. Their apparent ages imply that it is in the not-to-recent past, but being a production like it is, 1990 is a possibility. It would have to be before April 2006 (because of Arthur), but 1977 seems out of the question (since they showed it with a Takei-played Kaito in the same ep as Young Kaito, e.g. not retconned).--Tim Thomason 22:16, 28 November 2007 (EST)
- Somewhere in the middle, I'd say. They used the "older" actors, but they seemed to make them all a bit younger. We really don't know a date, obviously, but if I had to guesstimate, I'd say it's probably somewhere in the '90s. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 28 November 2007 (EST)
- Has anyone noticed that in the photo, there is no angel statue on the right hand side of the circular statue thing, maybe this was a feature put in by Charles. I believe it was shown in the flashbacks with HRG, Kaito, Young Hiro and Baby Claire, so it must be before that. --Mc hammark 15:58, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
Adam Monroe
Perhaps we should add Adam to this page. Although he's not in the group of twelve, he was clearly the founder of the Company. -- LightSpectra 17:25, 15 December 2007 (EST)
- He brought the founders together, but did not necessarily found the Company himself. To say so would be a little speculative. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2007 (EST)
- So what exactly is Adam's part? In 1961, Angela, Bob, Charles and Daniel are the ones who form it, but what part does he play?--The Empath 17:46, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Founder ≠ Evolved
Even though many of the Company's founders have abilities (Bob, Harry Fletcher, Paula Gramble, Linderman, Maury), being a founder does not necessarily equal being an evolved human in the way that being on the list does. It is likely that Charles, Kaito, Angela, and Mr. Petrelli all have abilities, but none of that has ever been confirmed. That still leaves Carlos Mendez, Victoria Pratt, and the blonde lady. We should really be careful about not making that leap. See here for a further discussion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2008 (EST)
The unnamed female
Her name appears to be Susan.--Gonzalo84 16:15, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
- It looks like it starts with an S and has an A, but it also looks like there's a Z. Here are some high def screenshots. Ultimately, it's too hard to figure out, so we're not putting anything definite about it. The discussion should be continued at this link. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:33, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
- Issue 4 of Heroes: The Official Magazine contains a list on Page 77 of the founders, including a "Susan Ammaw", just to let everyone know.--Heroes360 15:39, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- Who wrote the article? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- It definetely looks like Suzanne Amman picture. The N in Amman looks just like in Image:Group of 12 postitnotes.jpg, but I would like to read the article just in case. Where can I find the mag?
- The issue in question is not whether or not we can read the Post-It note--it's already been discussed that it's inconclusive. The issue in question is whether we or not we go with what it says in the Heroes: The Official Magazine. There has been talk before about that publication not being a canon source. If it's a writer who is quoting one of the creatives associated with the production of the show, then great. If it's just a writer who is listing what he thinks is the name, then no, we don't use the name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- I agree; we need to know who wrote the article and maybe also the source used for the article. Heroes: The Official Magazine is one of several magazines produced by Titan Magazine...it's not written by the creators of Heroes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- I asked and it was answered [1]. I'm just stating this here so you all know where I'm coming from. "Is her name Susan Ammaw?" "I believe it’s Amman. And yes. Amman." <-- So it's Susan Amman. Whoever wrote the mag probably got the most popular name which was Susan Ammaw. Problem solved now? - Cael 21:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
- Good spot! I've been waiting for this to come out, and it was looking to me like there wouldn't be one.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
- I asked and it was answered [1]. I'm just stating this here so you all know where I'm coming from. "Is her name Susan Ammaw?" "I believe it’s Amman. And yes. Amman." <-- So it's Susan Amman. Whoever wrote the mag probably got the most popular name which was Susan Ammaw. Problem solved now? - Cael 21:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
- I agree; we need to know who wrote the article and maybe also the source used for the article. Heroes: The Official Magazine is one of several magazines produced by Titan Magazine...it's not written by the creators of Heroes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- The issue in question is not whether or not we can read the Post-It note--it's already been discussed that it's inconclusive. The issue in question is whether we or not we go with what it says in the Heroes: The Official Magazine. There has been talk before about that publication not being a canon source. If it's a writer who is quoting one of the creatives associated with the production of the show, then great. If it's just a writer who is listing what he thinks is the name, then no, we don't use the name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- It definetely looks like Suzanne Amman picture. The N in Amman looks just like in Image:Group of 12 postitnotes.jpg, but I would like to read the article just in case. Where can I find the mag?
- Who wrote the article? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:41, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
- Issue 4 of Heroes: The Official Magazine contains a list on Page 77 of the founders, including a "Susan Ammaw", just to let everyone know.--Heroes360 15:39, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
Suzanne's page
Can an administrator please undelete this and move it to Suzanne Amman? I believe the article was deleted several times, then frozen by an administrator so that people would stop recreating it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
- Done. (Admin 22:45, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
- Thanks. I think it should be changed back to Suzanne, or her first name removed altogether. The full name appears to be how it's written to me. The writers only confirmed her last name. It was asked whether her full name was Susan Ammaw, and they replied, "I believe it's Amman. And yes. Amman." That isn't a confirmation of her first name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:47, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
The Twelve Apostles
They have a resemblance to the twelve apostles. They were brought by one single man who wished to change the world, and both had amazing abilities, albeit the two had different views for the humanity's destiny (Manwithnoname 08:22, 5 October 2008 (EDT))
- ...One immortal man! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:03, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
- Jesus Christ... an evolved human? why not? i think i'm going to put that in the trivia.--Manwithnoname 07:24, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
Still alive?
“Also, you mentioned Isaac's father last week as another company founder. Was he off'd by Adam during his rampage, or was he in on it as Maury was?”
I don’t believe he is on the list of the deceased. I believe there were a couple people left on Adam’s list that he didn’t get to. Stevehim 09:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
- I'm only going from memory, but given this new info, I believe it's (including Adam):
Known Alive: Carlos Mendez, Adam Monroe (Takezo Kensei / Richard Sanders), Maury Parkman, Angela Petrelli, Arthur "Dallas" Petrelli
Known Dead: Robert "Bob" Bishop, Charles Deveaux, (Mr.) Daniel "Austin" Linderman, Kaito Nakamura, Victoria Pratt
Unknown: Susan Amman, Harry Fletcher, Paula Gramble -- prander 10:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
- They didn't sound too sure. The photo says they're deceased so we should go with that until we know otherwise. I think they forgot who was marked as deceased on the photo and who wasn't. (Admin 10:32, 14 October 2008 (EDT))
- That's a good point, I agree. There's enough doubt in my mind.
Besides, didn't Matt, on the show, say something about them being dead (going from memory)? So until we get some 'on the show' confirmation, the show trumps the writers, anyway. -- prander 11:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)- One thing that stands out in my mind is in Four Months Later... when Kaito tells Angela regarding the founders "now there are 9", but later in Cautionary Tales Matt mentions that they're all dead except for Bob, Angela, Maury, and Victoria Pratt. So did Adam kill the rest of them in the time between the two episodes? Clay wise 17:12, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- Isn't it possible that Kaito didn't know who was alive and who was dead? Or perhaps he was talking about people who had been attacked by Adam. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- One thing that stands out in my mind is in Four Months Later... when Kaito tells Angela regarding the founders "now there are 9", but later in Cautionary Tales Matt mentions that they're all dead except for Bob, Angela, Maury, and Victoria Pratt. So did Adam kill the rest of them in the time between the two episodes? Clay wise 17:12, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- That's a good point, I agree. There's enough doubt in my mind.
Drucker
I feel that his close association with Charles and his split-up being so close to the beginning of the Shanti virus' investigation, Adam's incarceration, Primatech's founding and Linderman's acquisition of the Kensei sword that he should at least be mentioned on the page. Therequiembellishere 15:44, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
Left alive
You cant help but wonder since angela is the last one alive, how long will it be for?--345tom 13:12, 14 December 2008 (EST)
- Eh, it's Angela. She seems the sort who'll stay alive out of pure spite. --AmbroBaby 07:05, 31 January 2009 (EST)
- I hope AmbroBaby is right, though no one is ever 100% safe in Heroes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:15, 1 February 2009 (EST)
- She'll be hard to kill, seeing as she can see what's coming --Jenx222 18:37, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
Maury
He joined in 1978. But it is recorded that the company was founded by 12 individuals in 1978. Could this mean Adam is one of the twelve?--Blood69 05:07, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
- It was hinted at in Generations. "There were twelve of us with a common goal. Adam brought us together..." something like that. It's very likely.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 07:46, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
- I'm not sure that you can replace someone as a founder. It seems more like...buying the co-founders share in a company. So, when Adam got imprisoned, he left his position up for sale.--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 07:24, 31 March 2010 (EDT)