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| The scarred [[Peter]] never met [[Claire Bennet]] nor saved her, and therefore does not have her powers. The scar is not from the explosion but rather from the battle in which the explosion took place. || Peter never mentions the cheerleader. (''[[Five Years Gone]]'') || {{plus}} Sylar indicates he waited a long time to get ahold of Claire before he took her [[brain]]. <br /> |
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{{plus}} He is never shown healing himself. <br /> |
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{{plus}} If Hiro had to go back in time to tell Peter to save her, it's likely that he never even met her in the future.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The future in ''[[Five Years Gone]]'' is not the one that Future Hiro originally came from, as he already travelled in time to give Peter the message. Thus, Future Peter did save the cheerleader and gain the ability of rapid cell regeneration.<br /> |
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{{minus}}As mentioned in the article, the writers have said "Peter can regenerate". |
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| [[Peter]] will get the scar from [[Hiro]]. || None || {{plus}} [[Peter]]'s scar is the shape of a line, just the shape a sword slash would leave.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The scar could be caused by a piece of glass or a laser beam.<br /> |
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{{plus}}[[Future Hiro]] changed the future by going back and telling Peter about saving Claire which only changed the future of that timeline and not his, creating an alternate dimension, kind of like Future Trunks in DBZ.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} Kring said the scar "has something to do with a sword".<br /> |
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{{plus}}It's possible that Peter received the scar in the timeline in which Claire was not saved, and will not receive the scar in this timeline since damage healed with Claire's power seems to leave no scar. <br /> |
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:{{note}}This would create a causality [[paradox]] for [[Future Hiro]]: he'd have no reason to return to the past to warn [[Peter]]. <br /> |
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::{{note}}It hasn't been shown how ''Heroes'' deals with paradoxes as a result of time travel.<br /> |
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{{note}}Peter got the scar in a version of the future where he could not regenerate, in an "ideal" future (without the Sylar problem) Peter would have no scar, but in ''Five Years Gone'', Hiro visited a mixture of different possible futures, where Claire is still alive (for a while) and Peter still has he scar.<br /> |
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{{minus}}Present-day [[Hiro]] believes he cannot change the past because he was unable to save Charlie from her death. If he is correct, then Future Hiro may have come from a future in which Claire was already saved. Alternately, because Hiro knows that his past self returned, and knows what he told Peter, he may go back in time at some point in the future to ensure that the timeline is not compromised. This would not involve a paradox, but would be an example of an [[wikipedia:Ontological_paradox|Ontological Paradox]]; but as such a paradox involves no inherent contradiction, it would still result in a consistent timeline.<br /> |
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:{{minus}}In [[Dark Future|the future]], [[Future Peter]] has a scar, despite [[Future Hiro]] traveling back in time and [[Peter]] saving [[Claire]].<br /> |
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:{{note}}He may have decided to keep the scar for sentimental reasons, for example if he obtained it while trying to defend Nathan (or Micah, if he'd already encountered Niki).<br /> |
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:{{note}}Peter has trouble with his abilites, especially as of late; perhaps he loses control (or lost control in the other timeline) and fails(/failed) to regenerate--or maybe he gets the Shanti virus and loses his abilities. |
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:{{minus}}In [[Villains]], future Peter still has the scar, although he can hide it with a new illusion-casting ability. |
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| [[Peter]] will get the scar in the presence of the Haitian. || None || {{plus}} The Haitian can suppress at least some powers, so if Peter was wounded in his presence and the scar formed, cell regeneration might not heal the existing scar.<br /> |
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| Hiro will try to kill Peter to stop him from exploding, giving him the scar. || None. || Hiro's sword may be able to leave a lasting mark on Peter.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The Haitian's power dampening is not absolute as Nathan was able to fly away in his presence.<br /> |
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:{{note}}There's nothing special about the sword physically; it is only important to Hiro as a symbol for being a hero. |
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:{{plus}} However, Nathan flying away was unexpected as before flying he looked as if he was going to tackle HRG and the Haitian. This would have surprised the Haitian, and maybe his power dampening requires some deal of conscious effort. By the time he thought to use his power, Nathan could have flown out of the Haitian's range.<br /> |
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{{note}} Did the injuries he received in the presence of the Haitian during [[Episode: I Am Become Death|Future Claire's torturing]] heal afterwards?<br /> |
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{{note}} It could be that because Nathan's ability is synthetic, the blocking didn't work as well.<br /> |
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{{note}} Peter calls his abilities back by empathic mimicry. If the Haitian blocks the EM, maybe he can stop Peter from calling back his regeneration.<br> |
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| Future Peter's scar is the mirror image of a scar [[Linderman]] has. || None || {{plus}} Linderman has a faint scar that is most visible when pausing episodes, most notably ''[[.07%]]''.<br /> |
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| [[Peter]] will get the scar from [[Hiro]]. || None ||{{plus}} [[Peter]] will meet [[Candice]], where he gets her power. For some reason, he takes the form of [[Sylar]]. [[Hiro]] sees [[Peter]], and, thinking it's [[Sylar]], slices [[Peter]] across the face. Because it is a special [[sword]], [[Claire]]'s power can't fully heal [[Peter]].<br /> |
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{{minus}} The scar mirror images could be irrelevant, as the scar could be actor [[Malcolm McDowell]]'s and not the character's.<br /> |
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:{{note}}There's nothing special about the sword physically; it is only important to Hiro as a symbol for being a hero.<br /> |
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{{minus}}[[Future Hiro]] tells present-day Hiro that he tried to kill Sylar, but the wound regenerated. <br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Peter]]'s scar is the shape of a line, just the shape a sword slash would leave.<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Peter]] is working with [[Adam]]. This could be enough to make [[Hiro]] try to kill Peter. perhaps Adam tries to heal Peter, but not before Hiro Kills Adam, then leaves. Not knowing that Adam brought Peter back to life. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Same theory but I believe that since Present Peter can not use two powers at once, and at the moment Hiro has time stopped, Hiro will slash him and he will not be able to heal. The reason for the electricity may be that, he can only put it in his hand, not shoot it in frozen time.<br /> |
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:{{minus}}Peter has been shown to use more than one power at once; in [[Episode:Unexpected|Unexpected]], for example, he uses telekinesis to defend himself from Claude, while both are using their invisibility ability.<br /> |
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{{note}} Peter might not get the scar at all, as history has been changed. |
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| A character has an ability which can permanently disfigure people who can regenerate. || None || {{plus}} Angela's vision shows [[Knox]] easily ripping Claire's head off. Perhaps he is powerful enough to cause permanent damage to heroes with rapid cell regeneration.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} This shuts down the brain so they can't regenerate not by overcoming their rapid cell regeneration.<br /> |
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However, Nathan flying away was unexpected as before flying he looked as if he was going to tackle HRG and the Hatian. This would have suprised the Haitian, and maybe his power dampening requires some deal of concious effort. By the time he thought to use his power, Nathan could have flown out of the Hatian's range. |
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{{minus}}The Haitian appears to only be able to block mental powers, such as mind-reading and telekinesis. |
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| An object being lodged in his face while he healed will cause the scar. || None || {{plus}} If something prevents the skin from closing as it normally would, it may start to heal around the obstruction (much like pierced ears heal around an earring).<br /> |
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| [[Peter]]'s scar is the mirror image of a scar [[Linderman]] has. || None. || {{plus}}Linderman has a faint scar that is most visible when pausing episodes, most notably ''[[.07%]]''. <br /> |
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{{minus}} However, he can have cellular regeneration. This could mean that every cell "missing" from it's original place is re-made and put back in the proper place, therefore there would be no scar. For example, in [[.07%]], when the share of glass is taken out of his brain, the brain fully heals, so surely the scar would have disappeared.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The scar mirror images could be irrelevant, as the scar could be actor [[Malcolm McDowell]]'s and not the character's.<br /> |
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{{note}} Regenerators have to manually replace body pieces that got out of their places. Maybe Peter does not want to put the two pieces of skin together and make the scar vanishes.<br /> |
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{{note}} Peter might not get the scar at all, as history has been changed. |
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:{{note}} Skin isn't like bone, everytime skin has been cut in the show, it just grows back and looks nice and neat.<br /> |
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| The reason why Peter still has the scar, even if he has the cheerleader's ability, is an emotional reason. Whatever the reason is, it seems to have blocked the healing of this scar tissue. || None || {{plus}} In the [[explosion future]], Peter seems to take on any request [[Hiro]] asks because of his guilt of the [[explosion]]; after 5 years Peter has not been able to forgive himself and seems to be guided by the emotions of guilt.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Within the real world there have been cases where people unable to heal from a wound because of emotional reasons or to have caused damage to their bodies because of an emotional reasons such as broken heart syndrome.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} This should not apply to [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|exposed future Peter]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Peter's power is empathetic. He has described the process of accessing it as remembering how that person "made him feel". Perhaps it is associated with (even inflicted by?) someone close to him who is always in his mind.<br /> |
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| Peter's getting a scar is an inevitable event in any timeline. || Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise." || {{plus}} [[Peter Petrelli (exposed future)|Future Peter]] as seen in [[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]] and [[Episode:The Butterfly Effect|The Butterfly Effect]] has the scar, despite having saved New York City.<br /> |
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{{note}} Since [[Peter's scar]] appears in every future we've seen so far, it is likely that it is a result from an inevitable interaction or confrontation with someone, and not tied to a single event in history.<br /> |
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| Peter, in the original dark future, gains the scar before meeting Claire. Then, after he gains the regeneration ability, he gets the scar during some experiment once the heroes are announced to the general public. || Future Peter states that there were experiments. (''[[The Second Coming]]'') || {{plus}} It is possible that at some point in the alternate future, Peter was taken for experimentation and injected with something to cancel his powers, either temporarily or until they reversed it and gave him back his powers. In this case, his ability to regenerate would be gone and in an attempt to prove it, he is cut across his face by the person who is conducting the experiment. It may be symbolic in the future, as a way for the government (or whoever was doing the experimenting) to show other evolved humans that their powers can be taken from them.<br /> |
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:{{note}} When Peter agrees to stay with the Company, after nearly killing Nathan, he takes pills that cancel his powers. This is just evidence that something could be created to remove, cancel, or at least suspend powers.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The experiments were most likely performed on people that did not originally have abilities.<br /> |
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| Future Peter could heal the scar if he wanted to, but chooses not to. || None || {{plus}} Future Peter has shown the ability to heal.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Rapid cell regeneration is a passive ability, which means that it'll activate with or without intention.<br /> |
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:{{note}} This seems to be true for "true" healers like Claire or Sylar, but Peter has to think about the power to use it. This is why he is shot in the stomach and killed. He may have developed the power as to be able to heal certain areas but not others.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} He obviously wasn't thinking about it when he was killed with that shard of glass in volume one. He obviously wasn't thinking about it when he lost his memory at the beginning of volume two. Claude has already taught him to make it a passive ability. He doesn't need to think about it. And being able to heal only specific areas does not fit with what we've seen of rapid cell regeneration so far.<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} By removing the glass, his brain had no reason to prevent his [[empathic mimicry|original]] ability to work, and since Claire was by his side, he could have "reabsorbed" her ability.<br /> |
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{{plus}} As seen in [[Turn and Face the Strange]] through Sylar's use of the ability, Claire's rapid cell regeneration can be suppressed.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Sylar said he squeezed extra to give out more blood, and Danko lied about him being dead. Sylar didn't turn it off.<br /> |
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| After [[Arthur Petrelli|his father]] [[ability theft|stole]] [[Peter Petrelli|Peter's]] powers, Peter was somehow slashed across the face and was unable to [[Rapid cellular regeneration|regenerate]], causing his [[Peter's scar|scar]] to stay permanently. || None || {{plus}} Peter can only hang on to one power now and it is highly likely that he will get the scar when he doesn't have regeneration. After he gets the scar, he might get regeneration from Claire but still not heal.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Peter lost his powers. (''[[Dying of the Light]]'')<br /> |
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{{plus}} Peter has not been able to heal from any of his injuries thus far.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The Future Peter seen with the scar was able to use his other abilities. Why not rapid cellular regeneration?<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Future Peter may have had his empathic mimicry restored some time in the future that we haven't seen yet, and then regained his secondary powers afterwards. This happened to Hiro, who'd lost his power to Arthur, which had been [[Activation and deactivation|restored]] by Matt Jr.<br /> |
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| The scar has no purpose other than to distinguish future Peter from regular. Also, scars look cool. || None || {{plus}} A scar that big is easy to notice.<br /> |
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{{plus}} All incarnations of future [[Peter]] are significantly cooler than present-day Peter.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Not to mention more [[User:DocM/Bad ass|bad-ass]].<br /> |
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{{minus}} The scar was first mentioned long before Future Peter was shown.<br /> |
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| [[Matt Parkman, Jr.|Baby Matt]] will use [[Matt's ability|his ability]] to partially restore Peter's regeneration, and this is how he gets the scar. || [[Matt's ability]] has incompletely restored [[Hiro]]'s [[space-time manipulation]]. || {{plus}} Peter's partially restored regeneration might not heal old wounds, only new ones.<br /> |
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|The scar was just to show that Peter didn't have rapid cell regeneration in the [[dark future]].||None.|| {{minus}} Peter did have rapid cell regeneration (he saved the cheerleader) in the dark future that Hiro and Ando travelled to - and he still had the scar. |
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{{minus}} The future Peters did not seem limited in their use of [[space-time manipulation]], [[electric manipulation]], [[super speed]], [[invisibility]], [[telekinesis]], [[pyrokinesis]], [[body insertion]], [[illusion]], [[telepathy]] or [[flight]].<br /> |
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| Someone with [[space-time manipulation]], has his ability developed so far that they can stop items, people or just pieces of the human body in time, and did that to Peter's scar so it isn't going to regenerate. || None || {{plus}} Five years is a long time, they might have find someone who can do this.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} In the explosion future, Peter had his scar in 2007, months after the explosion. The only two known space-time manipulators were himself and Hiro.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Angela's vision shows [[Knox]] easily ripping Claire's head off. Perhaps he is powerful enough to cause permanent damage to heroes with rapid cell regeneration. |
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::{{plus}} Arnold too, he just wasn't on the show yet but he was there.<br /> |
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:::{{minus}} There was no reason for Arnold to do this, not for him to be involved.<br /> |
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| Sylar gave Peter the scar. || None || {{plus}} With his ability he knows how complicated systems work, he might have find a way to make the scar stop regeneration.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} In one of the possible futures where Peter had the scar, Sylar was presumed dead.<br /> |
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{{minus}} However, he can have cellular regeneration. This could mean that every cell "missing" from it's orginal place is re-made and put back in the proper place, therfore there would be no scar. For example, in [[Episode:.07%|.07%]], when the share of glass is taken out of his brain, the brain fully heals, so surely the scar would have disappeared. |
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| Edgar will give Peter the scar. || None || {{minus}} Tim Kring said that it had something to do with a sword.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} It had to do something with a sword, a knife is like a small sword.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Edgar lost from Peter while fighting, he wants revenge.<br /> |
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| Peter will obtain the scar by fighting with [[Hiro]], he gets a life threatening moment and has more adrenaline then normal, causing him to get his old ability back. The scar is a trauma. || None || {{plus}} Tim Kring said that it had something to do with a sword.<br /> |
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|Peter will be attacked by a person with a sword. He will not remember [[Claire]] (Possibly because of [[The Haitian]]) || None. || {{minus}} So he couldn't regenerate in [[Episode:.07%|.07%]], because his brain was damaged and he couldn't even think. This is not the way [[Rapid cell regeneration|Claire's power]] works. |
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{{plus}} All future Peters have [[empathic mimicry]].<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Neither of them encountered [[Arthur]].<br /> |
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:::{{minus}} Peter from exposed future didn't know Arthur was behind creating the formula.<br /> |
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::::{{note}} And Arthur didn't have regeneration during Season 1, when the explosion happened, so he most likely was killed in the explosion future.<br /> |
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:::::{{plus}} Arthur was one of the creators of the plan to explode NY, so he might left NY or was informed by [[Linderman]].<br /> |
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::::::{{minus}} [[Angela]] poisoned Arthur in the original timeline. No one knew he was alive.<br /> |
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:::::::{{plus}} No one ever confirmed that, maybe only Linderman knew.<br /> |
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| Peter's scar was caused by a blade made out of a metal that can block regenerative abilities || Materials like that are all over the place in other works like X-Men || {{plus}} It would explain how he can have the scar despite regenerative abilities.<br /> |
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|The reason why Peter still has the scar, even if he has the cheerleader's ablity, is an emotional reason. What ever the reason is, it seems to have blocked the healing of this scar tissue. |
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| {{plus}}In the [[Dark Future]], Peter seems to take on any request [[Hiro]] asks because of his guilt of the [[explosion]], after 5 years Peter has not been able to forgive himself and seems to be guided by the emotions of guilt.<br /> |
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{{plus}}Within the real world there have been cases where people unable to heal from a wound because of emotional reasons or to have causd damage to their bodies because of an emotional reasons such as broken heart syndrome. |
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| Peter's scar was a spoiler for him losing his powers later in the series. || None || {{plus}} If Peter had cellular regeneration, it wouldn't be possible to get a scar.<br /> |
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|Peter's getting a scar is an inevitable event in any timeline.|| Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise." || {{plus}} [[Peter Petrelli (future) (II)|Future Peter]] as seen in [[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]] and [[Episode:The Butterfly Effect|The Butterfly Effect]] has the scar, despite having saved New York City. |
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{{minus}} Future Peter had regeneration and still got a scar. he also had more than one power.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Peter could have theoretically gotten the scar first, then developed his powers to be able to have more than one at a time.<br /> |
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| Peter will get the scar from Hiro. | None | + Peter's scar is the shape of a line, just the shape a sword slash would leave.
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| Peter will get the scar in the presence of the Haitian. | None | + The Haitian can suppress at least some powers, so if Peter was wounded in his presence and the scar formed, cell regeneration might not heal the existing scar. - The Haitian's power dampening is not absolute as Nathan was able to fly away in his presence.
• Did the injuries he received in the presence of the Haitian during Future Claire's torturing heal afterwards? |
| Future Peter's scar is the mirror image of a scar Linderman has. | None | + Linderman has a faint scar that is most visible when pausing episodes, most notably .07%. - The scar mirror images could be irrelevant, as the scar could be actor Malcolm McDowell's and not the character's. |
| A character has an ability which can permanently disfigure people who can regenerate. | None | + Angela's vision shows Knox easily ripping Claire's head off. Perhaps he is powerful enough to cause permanent damage to heroes with rapid cell regeneration.
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| An object being lodged in his face while he healed will cause the scar. | None | + If something prevents the skin from closing as it normally would, it may start to heal around the obstruction (much like pierced ears heal around an earring). - However, he can have cellular regeneration. This could mean that every cell "missing" from it's original place is re-made and put back in the proper place, therefore there would be no scar. For example, in .07%, when the share of glass is taken out of his brain, the brain fully heals, so surely the scar would have disappeared.
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| The reason why Peter still has the scar, even if he has the cheerleader's ability, is an emotional reason. Whatever the reason is, it seems to have blocked the healing of this scar tissue. | None | + In the explosion future, Peter seems to take on any request Hiro asks because of his guilt of the explosion; after 5 years Peter has not been able to forgive himself and seems to be guided by the emotions of guilt.
+ Peter's power is empathetic. He has described the process of accessing it as remembering how that person "made him feel". Perhaps it is associated with (even inflicted by?) someone close to him who is always in his mind. |
| Peter's getting a scar is an inevitable event in any timeline. | Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said about Peter's scar, "First, it is not a mistake, Peter can regenerate, but he still has the scar. Secondly, we'll show you how later on in the series. We promise." | + Future Peter as seen in The Second Coming and The Butterfly Effect has the scar, despite having saved New York City. • Since Peter's scar appears in every future we've seen so far, it is likely that it is a result from an inevitable interaction or confrontation with someone, and not tied to a single event in history. |
| Peter, in the original dark future, gains the scar before meeting Claire. Then, after he gains the regeneration ability, he gets the scar during some experiment once the heroes are announced to the general public. | Future Peter states that there were experiments. (The Second Coming) | + It is possible that at some point in the alternate future, Peter was taken for experimentation and injected with something to cancel his powers, either temporarily or until they reversed it and gave him back his powers. In this case, his ability to regenerate would be gone and in an attempt to prove it, he is cut across his face by the person who is conducting the experiment. It may be symbolic in the future, as a way for the government (or whoever was doing the experimenting) to show other evolved humans that their powers can be taken from them.
- The experiments were most likely performed on people that did not originally have abilities. |
| Future Peter could heal the scar if he wanted to, but chooses not to. | None | + Future Peter has shown the ability to heal. - Rapid cell regeneration is a passive ability, which means that it'll activate with or without intention.
+ As seen in Turn and Face the Strange through Sylar's use of the ability, Claire's rapid cell regeneration can be suppressed.
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| After his father stole Peter's powers, Peter was somehow slashed across the face and was unable to regenerate, causing his scar to stay permanently. | None | + Peter can only hang on to one power now and it is highly likely that he will get the scar when he doesn't have regeneration. After he gets the scar, he might get regeneration from Claire but still not heal. + Peter lost his powers. (Dying of the Light)
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| The scar has no purpose other than to distinguish future Peter from regular. Also, scars look cool. | None | + A scar that big is easy to notice. + All incarnations of future Peter are significantly cooler than present-day Peter.
- The scar was first mentioned long before Future Peter was shown. |
| Baby Matt will use his ability to partially restore Peter's regeneration, and this is how he gets the scar. | Matt's ability has incompletely restored Hiro's space-time manipulation. | + Peter's partially restored regeneration might not heal old wounds, only new ones. - The future Peters did not seem limited in their use of space-time manipulation, electric manipulation, super speed, invisibility, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, body insertion, illusion, telepathy or flight. |
| Someone with space-time manipulation, has his ability developed so far that they can stop items, people or just pieces of the human body in time, and did that to Peter's scar so it isn't going to regenerate. | None | + Five years is a long time, they might have find someone who can do this.
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| Sylar gave Peter the scar. | None | + With his ability he knows how complicated systems work, he might have find a way to make the scar stop regeneration.
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| Edgar will give Peter the scar. | None | - Tim Kring said that it had something to do with a sword.
+ Edgar lost from Peter while fighting, he wants revenge. |
| Peter will obtain the scar by fighting with Hiro, he gets a life threatening moment and has more adrenaline then normal, causing him to get his old ability back. The scar is a trauma. | None | + Tim Kring said that it had something to do with a sword. + All future Peters have empathic mimicry.
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| Peter's scar was caused by a blade made out of a metal that can block regenerative abilities | Materials like that are all over the place in other works like X-Men | + It would explain how he can have the scar despite regenerative abilities. |
| Peter's scar was a spoiler for him losing his powers later in the series. | None | + If Peter had cellular regeneration, it wouldn't be possible to get a scar. - Future Peter had regeneration and still got a scar. he also had more than one power. |
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