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***The "extraordinary" part leaves room of any sort of ability. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 00:21, 16 January 2010 (EST) |
***The "extraordinary" part leaves room of any sort of ability. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 00:21, 16 January 2010 (EST) |
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**** Not necessarily. [[enhanced synesthesia|Emma's ability]] is well written and very creative (sure, Dazzler from the X-Men could convert sound into light, but I've never seen someone who could channel emotions through music) and still fits in the show very nicely; you don't get a WTF moment with her ability. Error, I agree that some abilities from outside the episodes are too fantastical ([[phoenix mimicry]]), too weird ([[spider mimicry]]) or too science-fiction ([[dimension hopping]]), and they would really feel alien if they appeared in the show, which is indeed problematic. But some that you cited, like [[temporal rewind]] or [[inflammation]] seem pretty "normal" to me.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 09:05, 16 January 2010 (EST) |
**** Not necessarily. [[enhanced synesthesia|Emma's ability]] is well written and very creative (sure, Dazzler from the X-Men could convert sound into light, but I've never seen someone who could channel emotions through music) and still fits in the show very nicely; you don't get a WTF moment with her ability. Error, I agree that some abilities from outside the episodes are too fantastical ([[phoenix mimicry]]), too weird ([[spider mimicry]]) or too science-fiction ([[dimension hopping]]), and they would really feel alien if they appeared in the show, which is indeed problematic. But some that you cited, like [[temporal rewind]] or [[inflammation]] seem pretty "normal" to me.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 09:05, 16 January 2010 (EST) |
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*****The only problem I have with all these abilities is that all the characters always seem to have backgrounds where they discover their powers infront of people. And with so many people with abilities around the world, it's a miricle that humans don't know about them. The company must have been ''really'' busy and good at what they were doing. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 10:28, 16 January 2010 (EST) |
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Revision as of 15:28, 16 January 2010
| Ability Naming Conventions | |
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| The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order: | |
| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| 2. Near-canon Sources | Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions |
3. Secondary Sources |
Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival |
| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
| 6. Possessor's name | If no non-speculative description is possible |
| Source/Explanation | |
| "Temporal rewind" is explicitly named on the Heroes: Survival profile of John Mulligan, a character confirmed to belong to iStory writer Zach Wilson. | |
Policy
Okay, what happened to the policy of only creating powers that were demonstrated in the iStory? --Radicell 20:27, 19 December 2009 (EST)
- I'm with you there. I like this power and all, but if it hasn't been demonstrated then it doesn't deserve a page. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 20:59, 19 December 2009 (EST)
- I agree. There was some discussion about this here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2009 (EST)
- I agree too that only demonstrated abilities of Heroes: Survival characters should be in the mainspace. However, I think this ability should be considered demonstrated because it's listed on a character confirmed to be maintained by the iStory writer and there are examples listed from John Mulligan's bio. Syn Anders's bio from Habbo was used to list examples for empathic manipulation when that ability was first listed. I see this as the same situation.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2009 (EST)
- So you're saying that the controller of the HSG character is a deciding factor. Personally I don't see why it would matter. I mean, examples of memory theft and silicon manipulation were also given in the bios of Miles Lecomte and Mykah. But those abilities don't have pages, since there weren't examples in the iStory. I don't see how John is different, aside from the fact that he is controlled by an iStory writer, which I don't believe should be considered when determining this. --Radicell 03:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- Right, I'm saying just that--that I think the controller is what matters. In the Heroes: Survival game, Miles Lecomte and Mykah are characters controlled by fans (not the creators of the show/evolutions). Their game profiles are subject to change at any time without being vetted by a writer/producer, so we cannot know what part of that content has been vetted. That is why I believe we are limiting such content to what appears in the iStory. Mulligan's page we know has been written by the iStory writer, and as such I think that makes the profile near-canon content. So is there another reason why don't you want to consider the source as a deciding factor?--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:29, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- Although, what'll really tie you guys in knots is, has he actually demonstrated his ability, but because he rewound time and relived it, we would not remember it, or read it, now would we? --mc_hammark 06:44, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- With his ability, Hiro will remember it to tell us. He's the witness.
AltesUTC CH 06:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- I think that he remembers what has happened before he rewound time. Otherwise, this would be a worthless ability as you would never know that you had it. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:19, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- Not sure if you're talking to me V68, but I'm not talking about him not remembering, I'm talking about us not reading about it. Why would they have the same thing twice when they can just say he's rewound it. --mc_hammark 13:30, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- I think that he remembers what has happened before he rewound time. Otherwise, this would be a worthless ability as you would never know that you had it. Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:19, 23 December 2009 (EST)
- With his ability, Hiro will remember it to tell us. He's the witness.
- Although, what'll really tie you guys in knots is, has he actually demonstrated his ability, but because he rewound time and relived it, we would not remember it, or read it, now would we? --mc_hammark 06:44, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- Right, I'm saying just that--that I think the controller is what matters. In the Heroes: Survival game, Miles Lecomte and Mykah are characters controlled by fans (not the creators of the show/evolutions). Their game profiles are subject to change at any time without being vetted by a writer/producer, so we cannot know what part of that content has been vetted. That is why I believe we are limiting such content to what appears in the iStory. Mulligan's page we know has been written by the iStory writer, and as such I think that makes the profile near-canon content. So is there another reason why don't you want to consider the source as a deciding factor?--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:29, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- So you're saying that the controller of the HSG character is a deciding factor. Personally I don't see why it would matter. I mean, examples of memory theft and silicon manipulation were also given in the bios of Miles Lecomte and Mykah. But those abilities don't have pages, since there weren't examples in the iStory. I don't see how John is different, aside from the fact that he is controlled by an iStory writer, which I don't believe should be considered when determining this. --Radicell 03:47, 20 December 2009 (EST)
- I agree too that only demonstrated abilities of Heroes: Survival characters should be in the mainspace. However, I think this ability should be considered demonstrated because it's listed on a character confirmed to be maintained by the iStory writer and there are examples listed from John Mulligan's bio. Syn Anders's bio from Habbo was used to list examples for empathic manipulation when that ability was first listed. I see this as the same situation.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2009 (EST)
- I agree. There was some discussion about this here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2009 (EST)
assignment tracker
his assignment tracker says he can rewind space-time. What's that? I understand rewinding time, but not the space part. And should't that be noted on the ability page. --mc_hammark 12:03, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- Yes, the assignment tracker information should be added. I'm not positive about what is meant by rewinding space-time, but my thought is that they just mean that John is moving to maintain his current position while he rewinds time.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:00, 15 January 2010 (EST)
I'm Sick Of These Abilities
Temporal rewind, spider mimicry, health optimizing, inflammation, spontaneous combustion, phoenix mimicry, belief induction, acidic blood, animal control... What is up with all these abilities!?! Abilities used to be clear-cut, well-defined, having only facets that are similar. But now we have these abilities. Honestly, they sound like they belong in the fan powers page.--ERROR 21:59, 15 January 2010 (EST)
- What you got to realize is when you first create a series like this, the abilities will start out clean cut. However, when you expand upon it you have to get more "creative" with abilities. X-Men is an example of this. Started off with telepathy, telekineses, laser eyes, flight (with wings), freezing, etc. But as the series expanded, so did the fine line between different abilities and how "weird" they are. Otherwise you'll be stuck with many people with the same ability like Enhanced strength. --OutbackZack 00:02, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- Error, I agree with you for the most part. I think Spontaneous Combustion is fine, and animal control seems pretty standard, but spider mimicry and phoenix mimicry are over the top for me. Zack, I understand there is a point where a line has to be crossed, but we need to remember that this ISN'T X-Men, and they need to try to keep it semi-realistic, since the point of the show is "ordinary people with extraordinary abilities."--Riddler 00:06, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- The "extraordinary" part leaves room of any sort of ability. --OutbackZack 00:21, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- Not necessarily. Emma's ability is well written and very creative (sure, Dazzler from the X-Men could convert sound into light, but I've never seen someone who could channel emotions through music) and still fits in the show very nicely; you don't get a WTF moment with her ability. Error, I agree that some abilities from outside the episodes are too fantastical (phoenix mimicry), too weird (spider mimicry) or too science-fiction (dimension hopping), and they would really feel alien if they appeared in the show, which is indeed problematic. But some that you cited, like temporal rewind or inflammation seem pretty "normal" to me.--Referos 09:05, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- The only problem I have with all these abilities is that all the characters always seem to have backgrounds where they discover their powers infront of people. And with so many people with abilities around the world, it's a miricle that humans don't know about them. The company must have been really busy and good at what they were doing. --mc_hammark 10:28, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- Not necessarily. Emma's ability is well written and very creative (sure, Dazzler from the X-Men could convert sound into light, but I've never seen someone who could channel emotions through music) and still fits in the show very nicely; you don't get a WTF moment with her ability. Error, I agree that some abilities from outside the episodes are too fantastical (phoenix mimicry), too weird (spider mimicry) or too science-fiction (dimension hopping), and they would really feel alien if they appeared in the show, which is indeed problematic. But some that you cited, like temporal rewind or inflammation seem pretty "normal" to me.--Referos 09:05, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- The "extraordinary" part leaves room of any sort of ability. --OutbackZack 00:21, 16 January 2010 (EST)
- Error, I agree with you for the most part. I think Spontaneous Combustion is fine, and animal control seems pretty standard, but spider mimicry and phoenix mimicry are over the top for me. Zack, I understand there is a point where a line has to be crossed, but we need to remember that this ISN'T X-Men, and they need to try to keep it semi-realistic, since the point of the show is "ordinary people with extraordinary abilities."--Riddler 00:06, 16 January 2010 (EST)