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:::{{minus}} It is apparent he arrived there in a ''very'' short amount of time, considering he had time to kill all of the guards in Primatech.<br /> |
:::{{minus}} It is apparent he arrived there in a ''very'' short amount of time, considering he had time to kill all of the guards in Primatech.<br /> |
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::::{{plus}} All that is apparent is that we weren't shown him killing the guards in Primatech. That still is not enough to establish a precise time table. Besides, Sylar doesn't waste much time in killing the non-powered, and he was shown in "Dual" to care very little about killing the powered as well. He was only interested in toying with Claire and her family. Also, recall how short-staffed Primatech has been since the Evs Dropper fiasco.<br /> |
::::{{plus}} All that is apparent is that we weren't shown him killing the guards in Primatech. That still is not enough to establish a precise time table. Besides, Sylar doesn't waste much time in killing the non-powered, and he was shown in "Dual" to care very little about killing the powered as well. He was only interested in toying with Claire and her family. Also, recall how short-staffed Primatech has been since the Evs Dropper fiasco.<br /> |
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:::::{{minus}} Nobody said anything about precision, but common sense states that since even for a guy like Sylar with all his powers, it would still take quite a while for him to kill the guards in Primatech considering the sheer size of the facility and the number of employees in it. Also remember that Noah and the others getting trapped in Primatech happens right after Peter and Nathan fight (if not concurrently, but just shown afterwards), which in itself takes place only a few minutes after Sylar kills Arthur, considering that at the beginning of ''[[Dual]]'', Peter is still crouching over his father's body. Given this timeline, which already requires a suspension of disbelief considering that Sylar does not yet have an enhanced transportation ability such as [[flight]], [[super speed]], or [[space-time manipulation]], it makes even less sense that Sylar wasted even a few minutes overpowering the Haitian (who most certainly would have tried to held Sylar over with his ability) and taking his ability. As for the Evs Dropper fiasco, only actual field agents were killed in the battles, not dime-a-dozen guards that Sylar has killed in Primatech. It is highly probable that there was a large amount of them still in the facility, given, again, its size and the nature of its operations. |
:::::{{minus}} Nobody said anything about precision, but common sense states that since even for a guy like Sylar with all his powers, it would still take quite a while for him to kill the guards in Primatech considering the sheer size of the facility and the number of employees in it. Also remember that Noah and the others getting trapped in Primatech happens right after Peter and Nathan fight (if not concurrently, but just shown afterwards), which in itself takes place only a few minutes after Sylar kills Arthur, considering that at the beginning of ''[[Dual]]'', Peter is still crouching over his father's body. Given this timeline, which already requires a suspension of disbelief considering that Sylar does not yet have an enhanced transportation ability such as [[flight]], [[super speed]], or [[space-time manipulation]], it makes even less sense that Sylar wasted even a few minutes overpowering the Haitian (who most certainly would have tried to held Sylar over with his ability) and taking his ability. As for the Evs Dropper fiasco, only actual field agents were killed in the battles, not dime-a-dozen guards that Sylar has killed in Primatech. It is highly probable that there was a large amount of them still in the facility, given, again, its size and the nature of its operations.<br /> |
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The following fan theories are about the Haitian.
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Theories
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| The Haitian's abilities allow him to control more than power-related brain functions. | None. | + Matt Parkman is rendered unconscious while the Haitian supposedly negates his telepathy power. This suggests the Haitian invoked a loss of control on Matt's part. - The Haitian did not stop Nathan Petrelli from escaping himself and Mr. Bennet (Hiros)
+ The Haitian was working for Angela Petrelli, who is Nathan's mother. He is likely to know the connection and therefore did not want the son of his employer to be taken in. |
| The Haitian deliberately allowed Sylar to escape from Primatech and from the Bennets' home. (Distractions) | The Haitian says he receives orders from someone higher than Bennet. (Company Man) | + People higher in the Company than Mr. Bennet had seen prophetic paintings showing Sylar involved in the explosion. Since the Company - under Linderman - wanted the explosion to occur, they ordered the Haitian to let Sylar escape. + The Haitian could presumably have kept Sylar from using his powers to prevent his escape. According to interviews, he was the reason Sylar hadn't escaped from Primatech sooner.
- The Haitian also fails to stop Ted from going nuclear in Company Man, even though this would appear to be detrimental to all factions involved. |
| The Haitian can perform power theft. | None. | + Power theft requires extensive knowledge of the brain. The power of mental manipulation can probably grant this understanding in a way similar to intuitive aptitude. + The Haitian can apparently be summoned from anywhere with simple wind chimes. This would require more than mental manipulation. |
| The Haitian must know the kind of memories he is taking. | None. | + The Haitian must know what he was taking or he would just take random memories. + In The Line, Ivan says that the Haitian is useless for obtaining new information. This suggests that the Haitian cannot find a memory if he doesn't have general information on what that memory is.
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| The Haitian can manipulate his own mind, including manipulating and recalling his own memories. | None. | + In The Crossroads, Mohinder said, "Shouldn't you be writing this down?" to which the Haitian replied, "Memory is not a problem for me". |
| The Haitian's ability has a secondary effect of enhanced memory. | The Crossroads: "Don't you need to write any of this down?" "Memory is not an issue for me." (Mohinder and the Haitian) | • It is plausible that someone who has demonstrable powers over erasure and recollection would possess this ability as well, unless there is more to enhanced memory than is currently known. |
| Evolved humans with empathic mimicry are unable to absorb The Haitian's power. | None. | + Peter has come into contact with the Haitian several times and shown no signs of being able to use his power. + The Haitian can block the mental abilities of others, it is possible this includes the absorbing of other people's powers.
- He wasn't able to block Peter from using telekinesis (and possibly space/time manipulation) to stop the taser darts from hitting him, this might be an autonomic use of the Haitian's ability against him as Peter shouldn't be able to use telekinesis (or ANY ability) if it is blocked. |
| When Nathan escaped Mr. Bennet and the Haitian in Hiros, the Haitian wasn't trying to block his ability at all. | None. | + The Haitian also saves Peter from the Company in Four Months Ago.... - How would he explain to Bennet that he failed, even when he is so close to Nathan? It is more likely that people with a strong will to use their powers can overcome this aspect of the Haitian's powers. |
| The Haitian does not have the ability to block people's powers. | None. | + He does not stop Matt from reading minds (or remembering how to), he simply stops him from being able to read his own (the Haitian's) and Noah's mind. + When he stops Eden from persuading Noah, he might just be manipulating his own and Noah's mind so the persuasion does not work.
+ He cannot stop Nathan from flying away.
- He is able to block Hiro's power. (Five Years Gone) |
| The Haitian will help Bennet round up the escaped prisoners. | None. | + The Haitian has loyalties to both Angela and Bennet and both people want the prisoners captured. + Bennet wouldn't be stupid enough to track the prisoners down on his own.
- The Haitian seems to be connected more to the formula plotline than the villain one.
• The Haitian went to capture/kill his brother, Baron Samedi (but without Bennet). |
| The Haitian cannot block synthetic abilities. | None. | + Nathan was able to successfully fly away in the presence of the Haitian.
• Angela was not in charge till season 3.
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| The Haitian must be exposed to a power at least once to be able to block it. | None. | + He didn't stop Peter from using space-time manipulation when he and Noah tried to capture him, but later blocked Hiro from using that same ability. |
| Only the Haitian can stop Arthur Petrelli and his agents. | None. | + The Haitian can block Arthur's powers, allowing Peter or someone else to slay Arthur by conventional means (gun, knife, pointed stick, etc.). - If the Haitian can't block synthetic abilities he would actually be a disadvantage since other heroes could fight with their powers. Unless he can turn his power off. |
| The Haitian can return powers to those who've had them stolen by Arthur. | None. | + The Haitian is capable of stopping powers from working, he may also be able to get them working again. - The Haitian has had plenty of time and many opportunities do this, and he hasn't. |
| The Haitian cannot block passive powers such as Rapid cell regeneration. | None. | + Adam Monroe was with Peter in Four Months Ago..., and the Haitian was there as well, actively blocking Peters power. Now, while he was also actively allowing Elle to use her power, it's unlikely he would have the foresight to do the same for Adam. If he had been able to negate Adam's healing ability, he would have turned to dust, just as he did when Arthur stole his power.
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| The Haitian will eventually, or may currently be able to return memories to those who have lost them. | None. | + It has been proven with previous Heroes such as Matt that powers can "evolve." |
| The Haitian's ability has both innate and active qualities, not two individual abilities. | None. | + It has been shown that the Haitian can suppress powers without knowing people are near him, but using his memory power is obviously a conscious effort. Most characters (except the ability mimics) have only one power, but it can surface in different ways. |
| The Haitian has two abilities. | None. | + The Haitian really has two abilities, mental manipulation (as he has shown by erasing memories) and something that should be called "ability suppression", as he nullifies the powers of others nearby. These should be two distinct abilities. - Manipulating ones mind certainly allows one to erase memories and disrupt the mental processes that activate an ability.
+ The ability to erase/block memories seems like an active ability, and the "ability suppression" or nullification seems a bit more passive. And they have not been shown to be related powers.
+ It might be a case of ability byproduct. |
| The Haitian's surname is Samedi. | None. | + His brother's name is Baron Samedi, which would make "Samedi" the Haitian's surname.
- Baron Samedi is one word on its own. It is on its own a proper noun. Yes, Baron Samedi means Baron/Lord Saturday but it should be accepted as one proper noun instead of one common noun (Baron) and one proper noun (Samedi). |
| The Haitian killed Baron Samedi. | None. | + It would be the only way to stop Samedi for good. - He might have put him in a vegetative state.
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| The Haitian's power is not mental manipulation but has something to do with breaking synapses. | All the times he erased/disabled the mind. | + Ability suppression would be performed by weakening the bonds between neurons responsible for powers. Erasing memories would happen the same way. This is a super explication for why he seems to have two powers. • It also would explain why he can't suppress artificial abilities since the source is not in the brain.
+ When he suppressed Arthur he had to concentrate a lot since Arthur "was too powerful", meaning Arthur could have strengthened his synapses (perhaps using Claire's or Adam's regeneration).
+ Every time a person with erased memories was healed, the links between the neurons was restored. Claire's mother had amnesia since too many bonds were broken or the bonds responsible with the "needed to be erased" information had other uses. |
| Nobody except for the Haitian himself and his family members knows his real name. | None. | + Literally, everyone refers to the Haitian as such, even the Company, who uses the name "The Haitian" in the Assignment Tracker profile for Baron Samedi. |
| Sylar killed the Haitian and stole his ability while leaving Pinehearst. | Sylar is able to resist Eric Doyle's ability despite not having telepathy. | + How else would Sylar have been able to escape when Peter sent the Haitian after him?
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