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Talk:Level 5 escapees

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Nice page! I've been thinking about adding it myself. But is Noah really to be included in the 12 escapees...? Pierre 12:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He did escape from Level 5. I wouldn't consider him one of the 12 villains that Noah describes (though that would be a big twist if he were one of them), but he is one of the individuals who escaped from Level 5 when Elle knocked out the power.--Bob (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yes Noah did. He was in a cell and then he left the bulding to go home and Anglia said 'i knew you would come back'.--Skywalkerrbf 13:08, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Although he is not a part of the twelve level 5 escapees... Pierre 13:18, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • When I started writing the page, I wasn't sure if I should include Noah or not, because, well, he's not a bad guy. I think. Anyways, he did escape from Level 5, so I guess he belongs here. It doesn't really matter what he did after his escape. Obi-Dan Kenobi 13:39, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It's not objective to say he doesn't belong because he's not a bad guy. He is a bad guy, but to group him with the twelve that he describes to Claire may be incorrect. However, this article is about the people who escaped from Level 5 when Elle knocked out the power, and Noah is one of them.--Bob (talk) 15:04, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I agree that he belongs, and this whether he's good or bad has nothing to do with whether he escaped or not (Angela states he did, and Elle confirms it). But I don't know if I'd consider him a 'bad guy.' He's no Peter, but he's certainly no Knox or Angela either. Stevehim 17:50, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

He didn't escape, though. Just prior to the grid's failure, Elle lets him out. Therequiembellishere 22:23, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He was let out specifically to deal with Sylar, not to roam free. I think they expected him to return to his cell after the job was done. Angela even says 'And Noah Bennett is gone too,' which implies he shouldn't be. Plus, Elle doesn't have the authority to release prisoners (and she even answers Angela with 'And I'm gonna get right on it,' so it seems plain even she meant for Noah to stay. Stevehim 02:36, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It doesn't imply that at all, it's just a statement. And he certainly does roam free, he goes to California as soon as he's let out. Elle was a Company agent of unknown clearance, it's OR to assume she didn't have it. "Get right on it" was for the true escapees, Noah isn't a threat and could be taken down by anyone. Therequiembellishere 05:32, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
      • How doesn't it imply that? If Noah was allowed to go free then Angela wouldn't be commenting on his absence to Elle. As for assuming Elle's clearance (actually, you're assuming she has the clearance to let people go), she's not the head of the Company, and we've seen her lack of authority many times. Bob removes her from field work altogether. She visits Noah in Season 2, and Bob asks her what she's doing there and tells her to leave the room. And when she comes to get Noah in Season 3, he states that Bob doesn't want him leaving, to which she replies her dad is dead. Since we know for a fact that authority doesn't fall to her upon his demise (it falls to Angela), there's no reason to assume that she has authority to release level 5 prisoners. Even Noah, who could be assumed to be the main Company agent in season 1, didn't have that kind of clearance. "I'm gonna get right on that" could be in reference to either Noah or the evolved humans, and I don't see why you'd assume it wcouldn't be. Now, if you want to say that Angela has no intention of reimprisoning him, then there is evidence to support that (though I don't know that it's clear that will be the case yet). But he was not 'let go' when Elle blew the grid. And simply because he doesn't have 'powers' doesn't mean Noah isn't a threat, or that he could be taken down by anyone. I think we have ample evidence that that's not the case.  :) Stevehim 05:58, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

All escaped

Can we assume that everyone held at Level Five escaped? If so, can we assume Echo escaped as well? Therequiembellishere 22:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Canfield really deceased

  • We don't really know if someone put into his black hole dies or not. --Aburu 22:47, October 13, 2008
    • Considering they said he "killed" his neighbor, I personally think it's enough evidence to say he's dead. He's at least as dead as anyone else we've seen killed. (Admin 22:50, 13 October 2008 (EDT))
      • Good point, but he probably wouldn't know what happens to people who go through the black holes either, and he assumes the neighbor is dead because he disappeared and wasn't seen again. Either way, there's no way to prove or disprove it. Maybe "Assumed Deceased" would work? --Aburu 18:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I'd say in the world of Heroes, "deceased" means "dead to this world". That fits for Canfield. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Fair enough, dead until proven alive, haha --Aburu 18:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Unnamed escapees in Ep 3.05

I noticed some unfamiliar faces among the photos of the escapees that Sandra and Meredith looked through. At least three, two male and one female is visable. One of the male ones appears very clear, but other two is only quickly seen. Anyone got any ideas as to their identity? Pierre 16:48, 18 October 2008 (EDT)


  • Maybe one of the males is the Bartell guy Adrian Pasdar was talking about during a set inteview. Datnymonster 1:00, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

The best shot that there is on the woman is seen in the far right of the left pic above (partly covered by the photo of Maury).
There is supposed to be 12 escaped villains (right?).
7 have been confirmed and introduced to the show: Canfield, Doyle, Flint, The German, Jesse, Maury and Knox.
1 has been spoiled about
1 have been confirmed by the writers: Echo
That would leave 3 yet unknown - the three seen on the pics? Assuming Howard Grigsby is still alive and held, the guy in the white shirt as seen above could be him--Pierre 13:34, 19 October 2008 (EDT).

      • Assuming they meant exactly twelve, this works perfectly. It also means Noah isn't one of the twelve. Does anyone else find the repetition of the number twelve to be distinctly biblical? Therequiembellishere 15:27, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I think it's wrong to assume it's exactly twelve. Noah said "a dozen", but that's could just be him trying to explain that alot have gotten out. Also, Noah wouldn't be counted in the twelve if there is exactly that amount... why would he count himself?--Riddler 15:31, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I was saying that for other people who had put in the infobox "5 unnamed individuals" or something to that effect when Noah was already on it. Therequiembellishere 15:49, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Maury can't be a level 5 escapee because in the graphic novel Viewpoints there are to new 3 new escapees. Datnymonster 6:58, 4 November 2008 (EDT)
      • That's assuming that there was exactly 12 escapees... Which I'm not sure ever has been stated... --Pierre 07:10, 4 November 2008 (EST)
      • Also while Sylar does say Dennis is a level 5 escapee, the other two could just be company prisoners or associates the company was trying to catch. Basically, Tina and Michael are not directly included with dennis to be from level 5.
      • Actually Sylar called Michael and Tina level 5 escapees as well.

Lead image.

Since the image on the page is a promotional image, and technically a spoiler, should we change the lead image? I'm thinking an image from the actual escape, like Knox telling "Jesse" that they have to leave. Similar to Image:Eric Doyle waddles away from Level 5.jpg, but with more people in the shot.--Riddler 15:37, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Bump.--Riddler 22:06, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think we need to change it. What does it spoil, that there are other people who escaped along with the ones we've already met? We know that already. I think the image is cool, I don't think it spoils anything, and it's already one of our most widely used images, used on 120 pages. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I agree as well. Plus, there's only one character in the image that hasn't been introduced yet... I think we can hold out until then. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:29, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Making a little portal here to keep track

Known Members list

First, is Noah really a 'known member' of the Level 5 escapees? Elle let him out to help with Sylar. Yes, he ran home after that to see his family, but then shortly afterwards returned to the Company on his own accord and rather than locking him back up, Angela returned him to active duty to help bring in the people that'd escaped. Secondly, I disagree with Grigsby and Echo being listed as 'known members'. We know no such thing. Yes, the last time we saw them they were being taken to Level 5. And as far as we know, everybody that'd been held in Level 5 escaped. But to me that would make them 'suspected' members, not known until we see them on the loose. Yes, I know an interview confirmed Echo as one of the escapees, so taking that (non-canon) reference into account he might have a stronger case. But I still haven't found a single reference to Grigsby being an escapee, so that seems to be a speculative theory, not a known fact. Remember, Grigsby was captured almost 5 years before the Level 5'ers escaped, so a lot could've happened in the interim that could mean he was no longer present at that time. --Maelwys 10:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Ted

If the grid being down was what let them escape, why didn't they do so when Ted took down the grid with an EMP in .07%? --Stevehim 21:19, 8 November 2008 (EST)

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