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Nice page! I've been thinking about adding it myself. But is Noah really to be included in the 12 escapees...? Pierre 12:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He did escape from Level 5. I wouldn't consider him one of the 12 villains that Noah describes (though that would be a big twist if he were one of them), but he is one of the individuals who escaped from Level 5 when Elle knocked out the power.--Bob (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yes Noah did. He was in a cell and then he left the bulding to go home and Anglia said 'i knew you would come back'.--Skywalkerrbf 13:08, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Although he is not a part of the twelve level 5 escapees... Pierre 13:18, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
  • When I started writing the page, I wasn't sure if I should include Noah or not, because, well, he's not a bad guy. I think. Anyways, he did escape from Level 5, so I guess he belongs here. It doesn't really matter what he did after his escape. Obi-Dan Kenobi 13:39, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It's not objective to say he doesn't belong because he's not a bad guy. He is a bad guy, but to group him with the twelve that he describes to Claire may be incorrect. However, this article is about the people who escaped from Level 5 when Elle knocked out the power, and Noah is one of them.--Bob (talk) 15:04, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I agree that he belongs, and this whether he's good or bad has nothing to do with whether he escaped or not (Angela states he did, and Elle confirms it). But I don't know if I'd consider him a 'bad guy.' He's no Peter, but he's certainly no Knox or Angela either. Stevehim 17:50, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

He didn't escape, though. Just prior to the grid's failure, Elle lets him out. Therequiembellishere 22:23, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

  • He was let out specifically to deal with Sylar, not to roam free. I think they expected him to return to his cell after the job was done. Angela even says 'And Noah Bennett is gone too,' which implies he shouldn't be. Plus, Elle doesn't have the authority to release prisoners (and she even answers Angela with 'And I'm gonna get right on it,' so it seems plain even she meant for Noah to stay. Stevehim 02:36, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It doesn't imply that at all, it's just a statement. And he certainly does roam free, he goes to California as soon as he's let out. Elle was a Company agent of unknown clearance, it's OR to assume she didn't have it. "Get right on it" was for the true escapees, Noah isn't a threat and could be taken down by anyone. Therequiembellishere 05:32, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
      • How doesn't it imply that? If Noah was allowed to go free then Angela wouldn't be commenting on his absence to Elle. As for assuming Elle's clearance (actually, you're assuming she has the clearance to let people go), she's not the head of the Company, and we've seen her lack of authority many times. Bob removes her from field work altogether. She visits Noah in Season 2, and Bob asks her what she's doing there and tells her to leave the room. And when she comes to get Noah in Season 3, he states that Bob doesn't want him leaving, to which she replies her dad is dead. Since we know for a fact that authority doesn't fall to her upon his demise (it falls to Angela), there's no reason to assume that she has authority to release level 5 prisoners. Even Noah, who could be assumed to be the main Company agent in season 1, didn't have that kind of clearance. "I'm gonna get right on that" could be in reference to either Noah or the evolved humans, and I don't see why you'd assume it wcouldn't be. Now, if you want to say that Angela has no intention of reimprisoning him, then there is evidence to support that (though I don't know that it's clear that will be the case yet). But he was not 'let go' when Elle blew the grid. And simply because he doesn't have 'powers' doesn't mean Noah isn't a threat, or that he could be taken down by anyone. I think we have ample evidence that that's not the case.  :) Stevehim 05:58, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Escapees?

Is it really right to say that Danny Pine, Echo DeMille, and Noah Bennet are escapees? I mean they didn't really esacpe, they were let go. Not to mention Echo and Danny never technically escaped, they died while still at Primatech. Setlik0 3:04, 16 December 2008 (EDT)

All escaped

Can we assume that everyone held at Level Five escaped? If so, can we assume Echo escaped as well? Therequiembellishere 22:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Canfield really deceased

  • We don't really know if someone put into his black hole dies or not. --Aburu 22:47, October 13, 2008
    • Considering they said he "killed" his neighbor, I personally think it's enough evidence to say he's dead. He's at least as dead as anyone else we've seen killed. (Admin 22:50, 13 October 2008 (EDT))
      • Good point, but he probably wouldn't know what happens to people who go through the black holes either, and he assumes the neighbor is dead because he disappeared and wasn't seen again. Either way, there's no way to prove or disprove it. Maybe "Assumed Deceased" would work? --Aburu 18:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I'd say in the world of Heroes, "deceased" means "dead to this world". That fits for Canfield. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Fair enough, dead until proven alive, haha --Aburu 18:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Unnamed escapees in Ep 3.05

I noticed some unfamiliar faces among the photos of the escapees that Sandra and Meredith looked through. At least three, two male and one female is visable. One of the male ones appears very clear, but other two is only quickly seen. Anyone got any ideas as to their identity? Pierre 16:48, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

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  • Maybe one of the males is the Bartell guy Adrian Pasdar was talking about during a set inteview. Datnymonster 1:00, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

The best shot that there is on the woman is seen in the far right of the left pic above (partly covered by the photo of Maury).
There is supposed to be 12 escaped villains (right?).
7 have been confirmed and introduced to the show: Canfield, Doyle, Flint, The German, Jesse, Maury and Knox.
1 has been spoiled about
1 have been confirmed by the writers: Echo
That would leave 3 yet unknown - the three seen on the pics? Assuming Howard Grigsby is still alive and held, the guy in the white shirt as seen above could be him--Pierre 13:34, 19 October 2008 (EDT).

      • Assuming they meant exactly twelve, this works perfectly. It also means Noah isn't one of the twelve. Does anyone else find the repetition of the number twelve to be distinctly biblical? Therequiembellishere 15:27, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I think it's wrong to assume it's exactly twelve. Noah said "a dozen", but that's could just be him trying to explain that alot have gotten out. Also, Noah wouldn't be counted in the twelve if there is exactly that amount... why would he count himself?--Riddler 15:31, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I was saying that for other people who had put in the infobox "5 unnamed individuals" or something to that effect when Noah was already on it. Therequiembellishere 15:49, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Maury can't be a level 5 escapee because in the graphic novel Viewpoints there are to new 3 new escapees. Datnymonster 6:58, 4 November 2008 (EDT)
      • That's assuming that there was exactly 12 escapees... Which I'm not sure ever has been stated... --Pierre 07:10, 4 November 2008 (EST)
      • Also while Sylar does say Dennis is a level 5 escapee, the other two could just be company prisoners or associates the company was trying to catch. Basically, Tina and Michael are not directly included with dennis to be from level 5.
      • Actually Sylar called Michael and Tina level 5 escapees as well.
      • Okay Noah Bennet said there is 12 escacapees which means someones not an escapee.User:Datnymonster 16:56, November 18
      • Im guessing the man in the red hoody is Ricardo silva and the blonde haired woman is anna a drugged up teenager in heroes istory. User:Datnymonster 18:42, November 20
  • I sent in a question regarding the three unknown individuals to BTE and I'm happy to say it was answered...

“In ‘Angels and Monsters,’ Sandra and Meredith were going through some of Noah's files that included Doyle, Maury, and other Level 5 escapees. However, there were three additional files of a bald man with a red hoodie, a heavy set man with a white shirt, and a blond woman that were never seen again this volume. Were these characters reintroduced to us in another episode/graphic novel/Heroes Evolution content? If not, is there any plans to reintroduce these characters in the future?”

There were plans to introduce them in heroes evolution content and webisodes, but that did not happen. So – you may yet meet these awesome characters that we’ve created with powers that will blow your mind. But not today.

--OutbackZack 23:58, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Lead image.

Since the image on the page is a promotional image, and technically a spoiler, should we change the lead image? I'm thinking an image from the actual escape, like Knox telling "Jesse" that they have to leave. Similar to Image:Eric Doyle waddles away from Level 5.jpg, but with more people in the shot.--Riddler 15:37, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Bump.--Riddler 22:06, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think we need to change it. What does it spoil, that there are other people who escaped along with the ones we've already met? We know that already. I think the image is cool, I don't think it spoils anything, and it's already one of our most widely used images, used on 120 pages. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:26, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I agree as well. Plus, there's only one character in the image that hasn't been introduced yet... I think we can hold out until then. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:29, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Making a little portal here to keep track

Unconfirmed

Second Time

  • We now have 12 people! Score!--Skywalkerrbf 17:51, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Known Members list

First, is Noah really a 'known member' of the Level 5 escapees? Elle let him out to help with Sylar. Yes, he ran home after that to see his family, but then shortly afterwards returned to the Company on his own accord and rather than locking him back up, Angela returned him to active duty to help bring in the people that'd escaped. Secondly, I disagree with Grigsby and Echo being listed as 'known members'. We know no such thing. Yes, the last time we saw them they were being taken to Level 5. And as far as we know, everybody that'd been held in Level 5 escaped. But to me that would make them 'suspected' members, not known until we see them on the loose. Yes, I know an interview confirmed Echo as one of the escapees, so taking that (non-canon) reference into account he might have a stronger case. But I still haven't found a single reference to Grigsby being an escapee, so that seems to be a speculative theory, not a known fact. Remember, Grigsby was captured almost 5 years before the Level 5'ers escaped, so a lot could've happened in the interim that could mean he was no longer present at that time. --Maelwys 10:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

    • Doesn't that portal above show there's more than a dozen, even without Grigsby? How many escapees were there? Golden Monkey 12:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Ted

If the grid being down was what let them escape, why didn't they do so when Ted took down the grid with an EMP in .07%? --Stevehim 21:19, 8 November 2008 (EST)

We have a conflict.

Flint's assignment tracker explicitly says that there are twelve escapees. I originally took "a dozen" as non-literal, to emphasize that there are alot, but this AT changes things. We have 13 known escapees already, and one other from the promotional picture. Umm....yeah.--Riddler 15:08, 18 November 2008 (EST)

I guess we might have to redefine what we "know". Based on the show, we have 6 confirmed escapees (Stephen Canfield, Eric Doyle, Flint Gordon, The German, Jesse Murphy, Benjamin "Knox" Washington). Based on the graphic novels, we can add 4 more names to that (Dennis, Michael Fitzgerald, Danny Pine, Tina Ramierez), which puts us at 10. Of the remaining (Echo DeMille, Howard Grigsby, Maury Parkman, spoiler person), we've heard from the producers that Echo and Grigsby were probably escapees, but that's unconfirmed from within canon thus far. We can expect that the 'spoiler person' is one of the escapees, as there are several upcoming episodes dealing with him. Maury would seem to be likely one of them as well (we know he was locked up before the breakout, and that he isn't since), but it's been alluded that he might've actually escaped prior to that (Nathan was seeing Linderman before then). So counting the 10 'known' people, and the 1 spoiler person is 11 escapees. Discounting Maury as having escaped earlier than that, would leave one spot for either Echo or Grigsby. Or, one or more of the trio Sylar catches weren't Level 5 prisoners. --Maelwys 15:33, 18 November 2008 (EST)
    • We may be able to take out Tina Ramierez, based on another BTE where it was hinted that women are locked away somewhere else.--Riddler 23:57, 18 November 2008 (EST)
      • Nope. She specifically stated in Viewpoints that she was a Level 5 escapee. However - it is possible that Michael Fitzgerald might have joined Tina and Dennis after the breakout thou, and thus wasn't an escapee. --Pierre 12:19, 22 November 2008 (EST)
        • It's also possible that they were Level 5 escapees that got out after the Sylar-Elle incident was over. Daphne could have been to Level 5 more than once and could have freed more than just Flint. This would allow for more than 12.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:09, 24 November 2008 (EST)
          • Maybe Tina got out of a different level 5? ViciousKillgasm 04:50, 21 December 2008

Danny Pine?

At which point was Danny Pine put into Level 5? I don't recall it saying that in the graphic novel (which I just re-read) or in Villains. -- FlamingTomDude 2:13, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Partners. Intuitive Empath 05:26, 19 November 2008 (EST)
  • Danny Pine was locked up in Cell 9 in Villains. As Flint, he was probably relocated to Hartsdale. User: Jethap
    • Nowhere does it say that Danny Pine was locked up in Level 5. In Villains, he was locked up in Primatech Paper Co. which is in Odessa, TX. In Partners, it never says where he was locked up. The only thing it says is in the novel's intro, where it says that Noah has bigger problems to deal with (like 12 escaped convicts) than cocoons. I'm not sure that's conclusive proof that Danny Pine was in Level 5. And given that we're quickly learning who our 12 convicts are (and that we're past 12 really), I certainly don't want to force speculation to cause canon sources to be incorrect. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Red Eye

Did Ricardo Silva escape Level 5? I know he was kept there, but I didn't know he escaped. (I have a hard time keeping up with the iStory content.) If there's no mention of him escaping when Elle blew the grids, he should be removed from the page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2008 (EST)

  • Red Eye was in Level 5, but it's unknown as to whether he escaped and was recaptured or he was transfered. All the iStory says is that he escaped a farmhouse that was also a Primatech detention facility. I think he should be removed from the page, and have done so. I also added a comment so no one else adds him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:56, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Villains

  • i dont think these guys are all that evil, i mean they have not done anything worse than what Sylar has done. Are they really big bad villians we should be worried about?--Datnymonster 19:49, 14 December 2008 (EST)
    • I concur. Some of them don't seem that dangerous, really. Danny Pine was taken down by Meredith, a newly recruited agent. The only thing Howard Grigsby could really do is glow. Tina Ramierez and Michael Fitzgerald don't seem any more dangerous than Jessica or Ted, neither of which were captured. And in the end, even those who could be deemed dangerous weren't all that different from your average TV show villain - e.g. Flint and Knox were basically thugs with powers. I guess HRG's comment on how they're all scary monsters was kind of exaggerated. --Ciwey 10:27, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • Dude, a invincible warlord, a murderous bank robber with magnetic power, A guy who can create black holes, a serial killer who can control people's actions and a nightmare man sound really dangerous to me. Michael Fitzgerald, Knox, Echo, Tina, Flint and Jesse are thugs, that's right, but they have powerful powers, and Jesse and Knox cause a bloodbath before being locked up. The only ones who messe me are Grigsby and Pine: their powers aren't really dangerous, i don't understand why they were put on Level 5. User: Jethap

THEY ARE ALL DEAD

  • All the level 5 escapes are dead , except for Flint and Doyle , i was hoping the all get bigger roles and become better villains , like sylar
Actually, I believe Sylar personifies death much more than the escapees, who are indeed all dead. Therequiembellishere 14:52, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Hey, Samedi, Grigsby, Michael, Tina aren't dead ( i guess where Michael and Tina were since they were recaptured ) and Canfield, Doyle and Flint are presumed deceased. User: Jethap

  • Doyle and Flint ain't dead. Flint can't get hurt by fire, same as Meredith. And I somehow saw Doyle in a spoiler doing a scene with Claire. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 15:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • Flint can't be burned, but that doesn't necessarily mean he can survive the concussion blast of the lab explosion. Right now, he's presumed dead. Doyle obviously received some serious injury from Sylar, and given the condition in which Sylar left the other Level 5's that he encountered, Doyle can be presumed dead, as well. Sylar himself was left incapacitated in a burning building, so he, too, is presumed dead. None are confirmed kills, of course, but we can still presume them dead until we see otherwise. --Ted C 15:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)

+And why didnt Tina Michael or Grigsby appear in Dual?

Echo as an escapee?

Have I missed something, or is Echo still unconfirmed as an escapee?

We know that he was captured, and presume that he was placed in Level 5. However, the next time we see him is in Dual when Bennett releases him from a cell. Since we never actually saw him either escape or be recaptured, it seems to be pure conjecture to refer to him as an 'escapee'. He was just a prisoner there, that for some reason never managed to escape (maybe he was still strapped into his funny chair at the time, so couldn't run away even with the doors open). --Maelwys 09:42, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar

Should we add Sylar to the group because he has escaped from level 5 on many occasions ?