This wiki is a XML full dump clone of "Heroes Wiki", the main wiki about the Heroes saga that has been shut down permanently since June 1, 2020. The purpose of this wiki is to keep online an exhaustive and accurate database about the franchise.

Talk:Shape shifting

From Heroes Wiki
Revision as of 22:58, 4 May 2009 by imported>Egrethico (→Does shape shifting change the attire?)
Jump to navigation Jump to search
Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine shape shifting's name.
Source/Explanation
Both Sylar and Danko refer to James Martin as a "shape shifter" in Into Asylum.

Naming

  • The ability naming is pretty clear and canon, however, should it be written as shape shifting or shapeshifting?--Ikkian 22:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I've added a redirect from shapeshifting to this page, if we do decide it to be one word, this page can be redirected to the other later. I, personally, have no preference one way or the other. Dracomaster4 22:37, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Neither do I, although I do have a softspot for shapeshifting since it looks nicer to me.--Ikkian 22:38, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Physical Contact?

  • Is it needed? I assumed he just ran into that cleaning guy accidentaly.. Not that he purposely did so.. --Peter 22:15, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Nah, they made the handshaking clear, which was also the case with Danko.--Ikkian 22:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
      • There was also a "wooshing" noise when the guy came into contact with the janitor. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:27, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
        • He morphed into Sylar, but there was no indication they ever touched. --Ted C 11:01, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
          • He probably did touch Sylar, but it wasn't on-screen because it would make his death too obvious.--Spexile 16:48, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I really doubt he could get away with touching Sylar without being caught, and I do think that Sylar was trying to catch him. --Ted C 15:47, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Although, now that I've thought about it a bit more, Sylar might well have set up the whole situation, including giving Martin the opportunity to touch him so he could become a copy. The guy's so damned devious, you never know what he's gonna do. --Ted C 15:50, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Difference To Illusion

This is gonna be a big argument, so I'll start it off. How is this ability different to Candice's shape shifting ability? Should they both be merged into one article or kept separately? --OprahDust 22:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I say different because shapeshifting effects only the bearer of the ability (as far as we know). Also, Candice/Michelle/Betty could "summon" illusions easily whereas shapeshifting seems to requiere more energy and time.--Ikkian 22:18, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, the teacher needed to take off his coat in order to look like the janitor at the parking garage. Whereas Candice could have just made herself practically invisible. Dracomaster4 22:20, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
1) It only changes the user using it, not produce objects that aren't there ect 2) It requires physical contact with the object the user wishes to change into. 3) With Illusion the person is still the same person underneath (eg. Candice was overweight) however it is unknown if with this ability this is not true (aka taking the form of a physically more able or less able person means the user's physical ability becomes that of the person that have became. 4) Illusion stops after death this doesn't stop after death. The Light6 22:22, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I believe Candice's ability is really just manipulating light and/or altering the mental perspective of others whilst shape shifting is self explanatory: the user is able to alter his/her body structure as well as appearance. --Formless 22:23, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Absolutely, the "illusion" is only in the eyes of the others, the person does not change. This is very clear with Betty who wanted to be seen as a pretty girl... --Juba 07:23, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Its the same as Age Shifting. That could also be seen as illusion. The diferences are small but there are clear distinctions. Such as: Shape Shifting requires physical contant whereas Ilusion didn't. --Peter 22:48, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Hold on... hold on. Were none of you paying attention?! Illusion is simply that, making people see what you want them to see. Shapeshifting (as seen in the show) is a complete rearrangement of your physical appearance, physically. Watch James and Sylar when the shapeshift. Painful for both of them because their bodies molecules are literally shifting to change the appearance. That's why James didn't change back, he had literally become Sylar.

As to the discussion I saw on here about Sylar shapeshifting, and losing his other abilities while shifted, why would he? His bodie changes, and the brain remains the same. It's been established that the brain is what controls the powers, and where they honestly lie. Angielynne - talk to me... 10:42, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

    • We've all been saying, actually.--Ikkian 11:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

~~ yeah this ability is poopoo i mean come on candices ability would be a lot better to see sylar have

  • Aside from the fact that illusion extends beyond one's body/clothes (ie - to the room beyond) and shapeshifting doesn't, we have a clearcut example of a difference in the same situation. When Candice died, she reverted to her natural form in the eyes of whomever was beholding her. James Martin still looked like Sylar after he died. --Stevehim 15:16, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Hes got style,Hes got grace, Hes a lady...

Sorry to be blunt...But seeing as this is shapeshifting...what happened "down stairs"?--Drwho113

  • He became a lady, then morphed back to a man. You don't think this ability changes face only, do you? --Altes 05:04, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
  • No, just think it would be very, very painful :P---Drwho113
  • Glad to see I want the only one thinking it :D---Drwho113
  • The quality of conversations around here has really gone down. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:56, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Face morph only

Can Sylar only morph his face bones/muscles/skin/hair ? I mean, they couldn't cut the woman's boobs if the change is face only. It should be noted that the voice is also changed, meaning a deep transformation. I wonder if the cells are manipulated to the DNA or if they are just moved around to for a different structure.

Perhaps James Martin needs physical contact for people very different to himself (old or different heights). Sylar was about his height and build, maybe it was easier. - Discipol

What about height? Imagine Sylar pretending to be a woman who is in fact 5 feet tall. How tall is Zachary Quinto? That's just the thing. If he remains tall while the person he is disguised as is short... It's no disguise at all. --Altes 13:11, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

"the same way he acquired Electric manipulation"

I was under the assumption Sylar just studied the brain from out of the back of head, judging by the way he took electric manipulation it takes a long time to copy powers that way (also Sylar had prior history with Elle). And it seemed to make the same noise that it normally makes when he takes a brain (it cold have been the music before they cut to commercial). I could be wrong, but if I am it seems Sylar has perfected his empathy--Sylar Fan09 16:09, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I was under the impression he did the same thing he did to this dude in the Untold stories. He got the brain through his mouth because his skin withstood his TK. In this case, Danko didn't want him to leave an incision on his head, so Sylar took it from the mouth, leaving no marks. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:15, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Yeah just read that on here :) The only reason I said it was from the back of the head was because at the end they show "Sylar" with a piece of metal back there to show he was really dead. There is no way to stop the real Sylar from getting the brain from the mouth or back of the head.--Sylar Fan09 18:47, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Main Image

Does anyone find the image scarily distubing? --IronyUTC CH 15:34, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I do. That is one freaky-looking chick-dude-thing. lol --Skullman1392 01:22, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
  • i think he looks like Volermont from Harry Potter i know i spelled that wrong can some one correct me please--Skyeatsout 23:57, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
  • You think someone could get a moving Picture of Sylar using the power?--Skyeatsout 14:01, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Moving images don't move in articles. I do however, think that we could use a Danko to Sylar image as the main one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:38, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I agree with Intuitive Empath. We should use this one. It looks better than the one we have now.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:04, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Does shape shifting change the attire?

Hi there,

just want to ask, does shape shifting change the clothes, shoes, etc of what the shapeshifter is wearing to that of the person impersonated? or can the shapeshifter choose to do so?

maybe that should be included in the article as well.

thank

Geek God 22:57, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm almost positive they don't change... I'd have to double check.--Skullman1392 23:10, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
    • My understanding is they don't, because James Martin had several costumes in his closet, and Sylar remained in the outfit after he changed from the woman.--Bob (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Sylar was shift his outfit when he was transforming into his mom, Micah, and Nathan. --Gibbeynator 08:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Some may find it interesting that there is an ability to morph one's clothing, called outfit morphing which may be a separate power that comliments shape shifting. It's just hard to believe that Sylar could just learn how to morph his clothes considering he needs a person's dna to biologically become them. Does he need to touch certain clothes to get the 'clothing dna'? The fact that there is an ability that specifically accomplishes clothing morphing implies that the possibility is there that he is using it as a separate power. I know Peter changed his clothes too, and I chock that up to storytelling convenience. --Ego 18:58, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

Different Transformations

Does anybody think it is possible for the user of this ability to turn into an animal?--Catalyst

Peter (Exposed Future) was a Shape Shifter?

  • I strongly believe that Future Peter was a shape shifter! In that scene when he sends Matt to Africa in the episode (3x01), after he left that storage closet he morphed into his younger self. I believe it was not an illusion, but Shape shifting, I also strongly agree that he absorbed it from Future Sylar. here take a look below:

Future Peter shape shifting CLICK ON THIS LINK
Do you guys agree or what do you guys think about this. -- DARK 15:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I still think it's illusion, when Sylar shape shifts, the change is never smooth, it's like he's "melting" his face and when it becomes solid again he's someone else. Difference in effects makes me think it's still illusion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:00, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Agreed --Skullman1392 19:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • At first, it seemed to hurt Sylar to shapeshift, but now it doesn't appears to. I bet Peter just got very good at it.--Ikkian 19:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I agree that Future Peter had Shape-shifting. It wasn't like an illusion and it did look similar to how Sylar changes. He also changes clothes like Sylar does now. I'm sure it wasn't an illusion. It was nothing like Candice. --Powermimic 22:26, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It looked exactly the same as Sylar changing from Nathan in 5YG --Autre31415 07:25, 22 April 2009
      • Yeah, I mean, look at how smooth the change is, his skin doesn't become blumpy like Sylar's does when he changes. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
        • It also leads me to believe that the eerie "Skin Tearing" Sound effect was used so people wouldn't mistake the two things. Another detail I like to note is how would one Shape-Shift to an older appearance? In order to change into another person you would need a DNA sample, but DNA doesn't mean you change to the same age of DNA. For all we know Sylar could accidentally Shape-Shift into either an old-man version of someone or a kid. So the ability to go from Older Scarred Peter to Younger Peter seems to mess with the actual nature of the ability. --Autre31415 13:41, 22 April 2009 [EDT]
          • I strongly believe it WAS illusion. There were absolutely no lumps and DID look like Candice's power. Oh and can upload that animation above, or is it already uploaded?-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 01:59, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sounds like a great BTE questions to ask! (if worded right haha)--OutbackZack 03:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Don't, I highly doubt that they'll pick a question about such an old topic, and if they do, it'll be a wasted question, it has happened twice in this volume, about Peter's new ability, when I read repeated questions, I want to hit people who sent them in the head. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:56, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
      • No, they probably would use that questions with the recent introduction of shape shifting ability. At the end of volume 3 I sent in a question about a few pictures of characters we never saw again, and they answered that one. --OutbackZack 18:38, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Still think it's a wasted question, he clearly didn't get the lumps Sylar gets, it's a different effect, similar, but different enough to tell them apart. Also, the sound cues are different. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:52, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
          • I don't think it is. There's been more than one case where the same power held by two different people has been demonstrated in different ways. If it would settle this debate that would surely come up a couple of more times then it's no a wasted question, and that's if they were to use it anyways. --OutbackZack 20:22, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Regardless if that is the complicated case, it is still a waste of a question due to the fact it doesn't matter now, it happened during a future that is not so probable as it used to be, and the only possibility I could imagine of him having that ability is when he took it from Sylar. --Autre31415 22:16, April 27 2009 [EDT]
Retrieved from "https://heroeswiki.ddns.net/index.php?title=Talk:Shape_shifting&oldid=320596"