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2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
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 If no non-speculative
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I'm about to blow your mind

  • So, we know Trevor was trying to use his ability on Sylar before he died, which already means that it couldnt be "Shattering" since you cant shatter a person... BUT GET THIS. In the season premiere for VILLAINS Sylar uses TELEKINESIS to blow up lights in Claire's house the exact same way... even though the only acquired ability he is supposed to still have is TK.... Ah, thank you. --Action Figure 14:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Would you happen to have the ability to provide screen captures of that for comparison? --Ted C 14:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • How does that prove anything. We know that's what his power is capable of doing (causing things to break, and since Lights are "conducted" from fragile material of course it "shattered" except the description you gave sounds more like Piper's ability (from Charmed). And her ability is definately not "shattering." --Dman dustin 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • You can shatter a person. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 15:08, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • That doesn't count because "Jim's" body was manipulated, you can't shatter a human body as is. If the person still has blood, bone, skin and very much alive. By turning "jim's" body to "ice" means he was no longer "as is." --Dman dustin 15:35, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • Sylar also turned on the lights in Primatech back in season one, doesn't mean he has any electricity related powers. The entire scene of Sylar in the Bennet's house showed TK, and the bulbs exploded because the lights were overcharged, you can see the light getting stronger before it shatters. Intuitive Empath 16:25, 11 November 2008 (EST)
You're assuming the same wouldnt happen if Trevor did it to a lightbulb. And Sylar can turn off a light by TKing the switch, so obviously THAT isnt some electro ability. All I'm saying, it was the same effect as the glasses. I just dont have a screen cap. And I never said this was proof. :)--Action Figure 20:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • But wouldn't Trevor's power, whatever it was exactly, be one that Sylar lost due to the Shanti virus? How could he have / use it in Season 3 when he went after Claire if he he'd already lost it and only had Telekinesis and his original IA (if it even is IA)? -- prander 12:54, 12 November 2008 (EST)
Well my point is that the ability is probably just some version of TK... so no...--Action Figure 19:39, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Additional images

  • Could I get someone to grab a before-and-after of Trevor starting to aim at Sylar and then getting his hand pinned to the wall? --Ted C 09:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Is this was u need, Ted C -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 10:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • Perfect! --Ted C 10:06, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Trevors Power...possible naming?

um...Im sure most of us are wondering the same thing, Trevors power, i SO thought it was gonna be freezing but no, its like TK bullets...or Air shots, maybe its the incredible power to make glass shatter...ohhh, thats on my desired list along with Nerve gas sweat and Stank Chlorine breath!--Anthony Gooch 22:37, 10 November 2008 (EST)

My first impression was that it had something to do with pressure... there was also some sort of blue smoke around the shattered glass? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:39, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • I'm really surprised we never saw Sylar use this ability if he did indeed take it. Let's keep it Trevor's ability, but if we do have to name it something right now, it should be noted that each time he used his ability, he made a gun with his hand.--Riddler 22:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah, I seriously expected it to be freezing. Like, I had absolutely no doubt about it. But I dunno... ._. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:44, 10 November 2008 (EST)
        • I really hoped it'd be freezing so it would tie up that loose end. Oh well, maybe another time! (Admin 22:46, 10 November 2008 (EST))
          • Same. I was like "it's gonna be freezing." Then my jaw dropped a bit.--Riddler 22:46, 10 November 2008 (EST)

OH GOD, please no more "Whoever's Ability" pages..if i see one more of those i'm gonna use Trevors ability on my eyes...just toying with names here...Matter Shatter?....TK bullets?...Air Shots?...Pressurazation(sp)?..so, any takers?--Anthony Gooch 22:48, 10 November 2008 (EST)

  • Maybe a combination, Matter bullets?--Sylarversion2 22:50, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • Mind bullets???
    • According to Jack Black, "that's telekinesis, Kyle".--Bob (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

I suggest "Shattering" (sorry, noob here User:Dumpster Juice

  • Shattering is probably our best bet for right now. Anything else would be too speculative... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:53, 10 November 2008 (EST)
    • I agree. Shattering seems like the most accurate description and it's a common power name used in comic books. Seb.gwirionyn 22:54, 10 November 2008 (EST)
Like Thrash said, I assumed it was freezing, because there was some kind of blue smoke around the shattered glass. Glass does have a tendency to shatter when its temperature changes rapidly... Also, to Riddler, he did seem to make a gun with his hand when he used his ability, but remember, Sylar uses gestures when using TK, so it was probably something like that.--Mike 22:53, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • The problem is we can't ID exactly what it is. We don't know if he's shooting pressure, air, launching telekinesis, maybe little needles from his finger.--Riddler 22:58, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • My bet is that it was freezing and he is simply adept with it. We're seeing Tracy begin to form projectiles with her power, perhaps she'll use it in the same way.Exproject 22:59, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • I can deal with "Shattering" as long as it's NOT Trevors Ability!--Anthony Gooch 23:02, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • Well, Trevor pointed it at Gabriel, and Gabriel promptly TKed Trevor's arm / hand against the bookcase (or wall or whatever) to prevent Trevor from using it. So, considering Gabriel prevented Trevor from using against him, I'd say it's not merely a "shattering" type of power. I'm not sure what I'd consider it, but I agree that it's likely that the fact that Trevor formed a "gun" is probably significant. -- prander 23:06, 10 November 2008 (EST)
      • I'm putting a vote in for FINGER BANG --Action Figure 23:08, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • Telekinesis, if Sylar takes it twice it might explain why he kept it. Which is what's hinted at in numerous interviews. --Matchu 23:31, 10 November 2008 (EST)
I dunno, MIND BULLETS is good too. I mean, we arent sure if he could kill a yak from 200 yards away.. but that IS telekinesis, Kyle. It's also.. the power to.. MOVE YOU. --Action Figure 23:33, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • MADE OF WIN. MADE OF WIN. MADE OF WIN. IT'S TELEKINESIS. /love--Riddler 23:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
  • I don't think hand gun guy is using telekinesis (I'm calling him hand gun guy because his power disappointed me; should've been "freezing"). If it was Telekinesis, I think it would be likely Sylar would've used, since he never did, leads me to believe its not Telekinesis. If Sylar did take his ability, I'm going to call continuity error, because we never seen him use it. While hand gun guy's ability is kind of cool, you wouldn't need to worry about burgulars, or you dropped your gun, you could just use your ability. I still think it was disappointing that they just created random power for Sylar to "steal." But anyway I don't think its telekinesis. --Dman dustin 00:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • I don't actually think it's Telekinesis... I just love Tenacious D. =]--Riddler 01:22, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • I'm kinda confused why this is even still under debate. We have no high-level source for naming this power, but look at the description we're using! The ability to SHATTER objects... Shattering is one rung higher on the naming convention, a common name used for powers such as this and is the most accurate name we can currently get for the power. And while Mind bullets is tempting just to homage the greatness of Tenacious D... I think the obvious and correct name for this is shattering. Seb.gwirionyn 02:14, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Hand gun guy pointed towards Sylar, I doubt Sylar would shatter as is (flesh blood,and bone). So it's a bit speculative on what the power actually does, since we've on seen him use it on glass, which shatters when it breaks. What if he used his ability on a human?--Dman dustin 02:21, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • How do we know he was pointing at Sylar himself? He could have been pointing at his glasses. Or at some glass thing above him. Or perhaps Trevor has never really had to use shattering to defend himself and didn't know if it would work or not. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:03, 13 November 2008 (EST)
  • Trevor's ability lets him shatter things. Ergo, calling his ability "shattering" is one of the least speculative things we can do. In fact, it's the only thing we can call it, since that's all that has been shown to be done with it.--Piemanmoo 03:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • As I said, he is only shown to "shatter" things that can "Shatter" like glass. It is highly unlikely if "shattering" is all he can do with it since he tried to do use his ability on Sylar. And as far as I know a human body can't shatter as is. And by shatter, I mean something similar to what happened with the glasses. I think it's more likely he's "shooting" the glasses causing the glasses to shatter given his body language when he uses his ability. Hence my nickname for him "Hand Gun Guy" and I believe "Mind Bullets" is more closely related to his ability then shattering. Edit: But I prefer it stay "Trevor's ability" for now. --Dman dustin 03:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • We never seen him use the ability on a human, or anything other than some glasses. So, using the name "Shattering" is neither too broad nor not broad enough. I'd go with "shattering". Radicell 05:13, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • I think the argument is that he was going to use his ability on Sylar, if it only shatters glass or something similar, why would he do this on a human? Therefore "Trevor's ability" is the best way to go for now. --Rob Riv 07:11, 11 November 2008 (EST)
          • Yes, but for what we've seen, "Shattering" is a good name, since it is entirely possible that he'd shatter Sylar. Radicell 07:59, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • How about Shatter Attack? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 05:24, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • Shattering is too speculative. --Action Figure 09:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
          • Shattering is actually least speculative - it's exactly what we've seen him do. Radicell 09:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • FWIW, I'm comfortable with "Shattering" to move it up from 6 to 5 on the naming conventions chart. I'm not too thrilled with telekinesis; you'd think that if he had the full range of telekinesis, he would have done more than just break glasses to demonstrate his ability. --Ted C 09:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Possibly gun mimicry? --Ice Vision (talk) 10:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • He really didn't give any effort into "shooting", his hand did not contract hard or something; maybe its the only way he could control what he did. Maybe he concentrated his power as much as he could. We see him shattering only small fragile objects, he also used both hands on the bottle. Also I didn't saw air bullets or any ripples in the air. The glasses exploded from the inside so if it was a projectile, it should shatter in a direction. Don't tell me its a prop thing, its simple enough for a CGI artist to make. I think its more like Tele-Shattering since he doesn't need to touch the object. I think that the reason his powers where "hand gun"-like was to teach Sylar to concentrate his telekinetic powers into a beam. We have seen Sylar spam telekinesis more than anything. Actually, I never saw Sylar freeze or make radiation for a long time(except exposed future)...I saw in the past that Sylar learns to copy a power without cutting someone's head off but I didn't see it in the show. Is it the finger thing?Discipol
    • I would think Fragmentation or Disintegration would work. I tend to lean towards Fragmentation, though. Erebus 12:10, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Simpliest would be, Shattering, like Freezing

or MeltingNiveKJ13 12:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)

  • It's actually Telekinesis, Psychokinesis or Air Manipulation. Evolved humans have been known devolop their abilities at different times of their lives, e.g. Micah and Sylar. So logically one could devlop different strands of their abilitity. It's like Sylar using his hands and head gestures to use his telekinesis attacks. Trevor simply uses his hands to break an object similar to how Sylar used telekniesis to cut objects. If Trevor was alive he obviously would have devloped this more. --ACDC1989 13:03, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • Still too speculative. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:06, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • He could manipulate the air to destroy an object - Air Manipulation. It could be a simple strand of Telekinesis. In comics, which Heroes is obviously based, Jean Gray, Nate Gray, Franklin Richards could break objects with their mind and this would be classed as Telekinesis. --ACDC1989 13:10, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • But that's not his power. All we've seen him do is shatter things. The comic book equivalent ... hmm, I dunno. But if you watch episode 6 of the new x-men animated series; there's a mutant who's power is to shatter things. I think that's the best comparison. Seb.gwirionyn 13:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • Has it occured to anyone that this could be an application of telekinesis or an new ability heavily tied to telekinesis. Maybe Trevor could have the power of force blasts. Its not entirely unheard out. High-level telekinetics from comic books and movies like Jean Grey or Carrie have the ability to release powerful concussive force able to destroy brick walls or causing a car to explode. And if you payed attention, you noticed how weak Gabriel's TK was. For example, in this episode, he could only gently move a basket of silverware and levitate a fork into a sink. Even when he was using it to attack Trevor, all he did was forcefully move Trevor into a bookcase. But in Six Months Ago, when Gabriel was demonstrating "his" power to Chandra, he only meant to move the glass cup across the table like when Brian showed him but instead accidentally hurled it across the room only for it to shatter into tiny pieces when it hit the wall. And I say accidentally, because he apologized to Chandra, saying that he was still working on it. And everything afterward, Sylar uses his power with much more ease and force, able to send Noah flying into a wall about 50 yards away with a strong pointing finger gesture in How to Stop an Exploding Man, able to knock Elle senseless and send Noah catapaulting upwards into the cieling in with knife-like hand gestures The Butterfly Effect, able to toss Jesse around in One of Us, One of Them and able to send Claire sprawling and flying into a wall when she tried to run away from him with the same gesture he did to Noah in The Second Coming. Peter even used it when Sylar attacked him in Parasite by blasting Sylar away from him and across the room and when he confronted Isaac in Unexpected. So, what I'm saying here is that Trevor is telekinetic too. Just a different kind than Brian. And the only reason, Trevor could shatter glass so easily is that glass is much more fragile than the human body. So if Trevor was able to use his force blast on Sylar, Sylar would've just been knocked silly. So when Sylar had absorbed, if you will, Trevor's TK blast power and Brian's ordinary TK, Sylar got the package of high-level TK, able to exert much more force than Brian but able to focus much more control than Trevor. This would possibly explain why Sylar retains this ability no matter what since he got a double dosage. If you would ask me, I would say Trevor's ability would be placed under the telekinesis article. And in that same article, the description of Sylar's telekinesis get a more descriptive definition. It's just like Meredith and Flint. They have the same power but they differ in intensity which gives their flames a distinctive color. And this would also possibly explain why Peter's pyrokinesis was blue and Future Peter's (explosion future) pyrokinesis was orange. If either one of them had come in contact with both of them, who knows. Peter would be able to vary the intensities of his flames at will, changing their colors from blue to orange. You guys have to look at the show differently. There is a reason why they introduced Trevor only to have him killed. Just like there is a reason why they introduced Bridget only to have her die seconds later. They were both instrumental in the change from Gabriel to Sylar and Sylar back to Gabriel. Titan3510 13:21, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • I think you should read my above posts, Titan3510. As i have already stated that. --ACDC1989 13:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • It's a wonderful theory. One I really like. Honestly. But that's what it is... A THEORY. The evidence you guys gave is coincidental at best. Given from what we know of the power the best name is Shattering. Seb.gwirionyn 13:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • Except glass shatters, that's what it does when it breaks, and if it was only shattering he wouldn't have tried to use it on Sylar, which is what he tried to do. Just the fact he tried to use it on Sylar indicates that it isn't shattering, and it's speculative to assume that's all it does is to shatter things. We've had problems like this before, and we've always left it as (Trevor's Power). And the thr first time I saw it, I could've swore somthing happened with his hands (something invisible came from it) and hit the glass causing it to shatter.--Dman dustin 13:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • Shattering is still speculative. We don't know if he's shooting air, if he's shattering something based on will, or if he's firing tiny little needles out of his fingers. Though he got stopped, he DID point it at Sylar. He probably wouldn't have shattered (though if you wanna look at Heroes physics, anything is possible.) But my point is, though it's possible, it's not 100% certain. We simply can't name it without using speculation, and that's usually no bueno here.--Riddler 13:56, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • I'd like to refer to the power we call 'Crumpling'. You can't normally crumple a human being either, but in the HeroesVerse, someone was able to. Saying that Sylar can't shatter is much more speculative than saying his offensive gesture shows it isn't shattering. And even in RealVerse physics, the human body has bones! Which can shatter! Seb.gwirionyn 14:01, 11 November 2008 (EST)
          • I thought of that too, but I didn't mention it because I realized "Crumpling" was named in the comic. Shattering wasn't named anywhere.--Riddler 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)
            • Crumpling is an different ability. Unless we get a good source to explain the ability, like a BTE interview, the only non-speculative way to go is Trevor's ability. Even if it does shatter things, we don't know how: does it make the object vibrate to a shattering point? Does it send some sort of shockwave that does it? We know the effects, but not the mechanism. Intuitive Empath 14:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
              • I don't understand that argument. The entire point of these abilities is to do something inexplicable. How does Sylar move objects with his mind? How does Elle throw lightning bolts? ... How does Trevor shatter things? I don't know. He just does. That's his ability. Seb.gwirionyn 14:14, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • Yes but the way "Trevor" uses his ability, Sylar would shatter just like the glass, no not just his bones shatter and his dead, his whole body would shatter not his whole body which is impossible without the power doing something else (turning him to glass or something that does shatter). --Dman dustin 14:11, 11 November 2008 (EST)

I think it should be named Kinetic Energy Projection

  • Still too speculative.Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • As is shattering. I don't get why noone sees that. Shattering wasn't named, so we don't know the mechanism.--Riddler 21:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • But we've seen the power used for shattering. It's all we've seen it used to do. It's the least speculative out of everything that's been suggested. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • The least speculative is the dreaded Trevor's ability. The only thing we've seen shatter was glass, and that's how glass breaks. We didn't see him break anything else, so to assume everything else DOES shatter is speculative. He could have shot a thin bolt of ice that we can't see on camera because it moves so fast, he could have shot a pin or needle, he could have shot air pressure. We just don't know what he did and what he could do.--Riddler 21:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)
          • If it was a thin bolt of ice, we would certainly have seen it, we can only use two senses to get information from watching TV: vision and hearing, so they either have to use a sound effect and a visual effect, we've seen those for freezing, and neither was used with Trevor. Intuitive Empath 04:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)
            • Missing my point.--Riddler 06:37, 12 November 2008 (EST)
              • And you're missing mine, we can only name the ability based on what we've seen, the only non-speculative name other than Trevor's ability is shattering, cause that's exactly what we've seen him do. When we first saw Donna's power, everyone called it enhanced vision, cause that encompassed all the aspects it showed, but we stuck with Telescopic Vision cause it was explicitly named. Unless that happens in this case, description of the ability is the highest ranking source we have. Intuitive Empath 09:59, 12 November 2008 (EST)
                • There's a huge difference. One we basically know what Donna did but we don't know what Trevor did. So the glass shattered? What else is glass supposed to do when it breaks? I still feel that calling it "Shattering" is too speculative. I mean I don't see why the naming conventions aren't equal in everything. For example Future Ando's ability we saw it as "red lightning" and yet it's still too speculative to call it that simply because it's red. Or at one point "Arthur's Ability" "Power theft" was exactly what Arthur did, but it wasn't renamed for awhile. Eric Doyle's power wasn't named until the assignment tracker, even though we knew exactly what he did. So why is "Shattering" different?--Dman dustin 12:47, 12 November 2008 (EST)
  • i think it's some form of finger mimicry, bad name I know but hold on. so far we've seen trevor's ability can mimic what ever his body does, in this case his fingers. kinda like eric's puppet master ability.
    • Wow, that's even more speculative than any other suggestion so far. Seb.gwirionyn 14:47, 12 November 2008 (EST)
      • I'm not seeing any more arguments. I vote re-move it to Trevor's ability.--Riddler 22:46, 12 November 2008 (EST)

id call his ability something like...remote combustion, he's remotely making objects combust.--User:Melciah 18:12 14 November 2008

Blue Smoke

Was the blue smoke a result of Trevor's ability itself, or was it just the blue designs in the glass disintegrating? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:01, 11 November 2008 (EST)

  • Would there be any way to tell? --Ted C 11:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • I was just wondering what people thought. It would be a good tidbit to put into the article itself. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:29, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • Judging by this and this, I'm fairly sure the blueness has something to do with the ability. Revengeance 07:38, 13 November 2008 (EST)
        • Yup, those definitely make it look like he "explodes" things. I'm wondering if we should reconsider molecular combustion... If seems more than just smoke. Intuitive Empath 08:31, 13 November 2008 (EST)
          • The blue glow only occurs the first time he shatters one of the glasses. It is completely absent for the second. This makes the blue glow ... well, questionable. Seb.gwirionyn 00:26, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Fragmentation

I think it should be fragmentation because it sounds way cooler

That's a terrible reason to give an ability a name. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:44, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar losing ability because of Shanti Virus

I don't understand how he lost the shattering ability from the Shanti Virus because he still has telekinesis and induced radiation and im assuming all the other ones he aquired before he had the virus. The only one he lost was the illusion power because he got it when he was still infected with the Shanti virus.

*sigh* Yes, he kept telekinesis (for some reason) AND his original ability of intuitive aptitude. He did NOT keep induced radioactivity, but he had managed to reobtain it and precognition by the events of I Am Become Death. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:46, 11 November 2008 (EST)

He did keep induced radioactivity because he blew up Odessa in the future

I'll say it again: He did NOT keep induced radioactivity, but he had managed to reobtain it by the events of I Am Become Death . Also, he blew up Costa Verde, not Odessa. Additionally, please sign your posts from now on by using ~~~~.Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:25, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • Hmm, there's a part in "graphic novel" 110, Viewpoints, where Sylar appears to use his sonic power to kill someone but in the next panel the person is nothing but bones and ash ... which his sonic power has never been shown to do. The only power we know can do this is induced radioactivity.--Cheapside 12:19, 13 November 2008 (EST)
    • Yes, but it's not confirmed either way. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:07, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Shattering -> Molecular Combustion

Does anyone of you remember the show Charmed.

This show also had abilities etc. There was one ability the middle sister had, Piper. She could put molecules in a temporal stasis, freezing time. But later on in the show she could also increase their speed, causing them to combust, explode. Due to this she could cause explosions.

So my question or idea is to call this ability Molecular Combustion. Cuz shattering doesn't quite put this ability into one name.

Molecular Combustion... going once, going twice? DarthYotho 08:01, 12 November 2008 (EST)

  • I don't think we can reasonably conclude that this is how Trevor's ability works, nor do I think the term is in sufficiently common use to justify invoking Naming Convention rule 4. --Ted C 17:23, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Trevors Power...possible naming?

Why don't you just call it "Psychic Gun." He made the "gun" gesture, seems like a pistol-like power to me.

No. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:56, 13 November 2008 (EST)

The problem with "Shattering"

For now, "Trevor's ability" should be where this article resides because of the naming conventions- here's why: "Shattering" Does Not describe the ability, but rather, the effects seen so far of said ability. Clearly there is some sort of mental ability at use here, which Trevor focuses through his hand just like Sylar does with TK. Calling this ability based on what we've seen is like calling Telekinesis "Object movement/ Head slicing" based on the general end-result of its use. Here's a second vote for Trevor's Ability (sadly). --Action Figure 19:49, 13 November 2008 (EST)

  • Agreed, cuz shattering isn't the right naming either. Changed it back to Trevor's ability. We have to wait, for the same reasons as to why the Alejandro's ability is still named that.DarthYotho 06:02, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    • Why did you change it, did an "administrator", agreed with you two? NiveKJ13 07:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)
      • An administrator does not need to agree or give his blessing or anything like that for a page to be moved. However, the community does. From what I'm reading, I don't see any clear consensus on what the name should be. A consensus check is a good step in that direction. If the name does get changed, though, the page should be moved using the "move" link at the top of the page, not cut and pasted into a new ability name. That way the history is moved and redirects are created. And for the record, I don't really have any opinion on which of the two names ("Shattering" and "Trevor's ability") is better, though I think they're the two most non-speculative ones that match Heroes Wiki's naming conventions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:21, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Consensus check

Shattering

  1. I vote for this one - the show didn't give any sources for Melting and Freezing either. And this is the simpliest as we can get. --07:59, 14 November 2008 (EST)NiveKJ13
  2. By NiveKJ13's reasons. Also, it is descriptive. According to the Ability Naming Conventions, description is a higher level than using the possessor's name. As simple as that. --Pierre 08:27, 14 November 2008 (EST)
  3. Descriptive and totally not speculative. Chrisyu357 09:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)
  4. I vote for this one. As the "discussion" in "Puppet master" name says. "leaving the name with the error would still be better than not having the name at all".Witchy2006 09:20, 14 November 2008 (EST)
  1. I also vote for Shattering... My argument for it is below. Seb.gwirionyn 13:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Trevor's ability

  1. --Riddler 08:03, 14 November 2008 (EST) - The only non-speculative option.(There are indeed sources for Melting and Freezing.)
  2. --Darth Yotho 14:56, 14 November 2008 (EST) - I agree with Riddler on the non-speculative option, cuz Shattering doesn't quite put this ability together into one word. Because the object that he manipulates or controls or effects with his ability THAT shatters .. but that doesn't tell us anything about the ability/act he preforms that triggers this. I think he can explode stuff by messing with Molecules etc. Well just have to wait.
    - A lot of people disagreed about this kind of idea in the "Puppet master" discussion page...--NiveKJ13 09:34, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Puppet master was explicitly named whereas Shattering wasn't. Also, you only need to comment in one section about it.--Riddler 09:36, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Exactly why I said "kind of idea"--NiveKJ13 09:40, 14 November 2008 (EST)'
    Puppet master was a complete different discussion - there we had a near-canon source. If we only stick to the conventions, then we don't need this polls. --Pierre 09:54, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Oh my days man...which side are you on? lolNiveKJ13 10:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Always siding with the conventions... wish everyone did so - it would keep us off these discussions. If everyone actually read what we have agreed on, we could spend time writing articles, not arguing on something that we already have agreed on. *sigh* --Pierre 10:42, 14 November 2008 (EST)
  3. --Dman dustin 09:50, 14 November 2008 (EST) - Unless we actually get some proof that it's more than Shattering "Glass" it should be named Trevor's Ability. Just because Glass shatters, isn't enough to call it that. It is too speculative to call it "Shattering"
    We ought to remember that what we talk about is Trevor's known abbility. Which is shattering. --Pierre 09:53, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Can someone fix my number? --Dman dustin 10:02, 14 November 2008 (EST)
  4. --GabrielPetrelli 10:16, 14 November 2008 (EST) Shattering is indeed too speculative. This isn't comparable to the Puppet Master debate. See Admin's post in the below section as well.
    Fixed your number, as I see how it's done, and thanks to the person who fixed mine. --Dman dustin 10:19, 14 November 2008 (EST)
    Perhaps not, it appears I was too slow --Dman dustin 10:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Name change debate continued.

I should be writing an essay. Instead I'm letting my stubbornness get to me. I digress. There is a huge difference between Shattering and every other ability listed (Melting, Freezing, Puppet master, etc.) Every other ability has a source for their name. Melting is taken from it's description where "the ability to melt" is mentioned. Freezing is named when Sylar says he refers to his ability has freezing things. Puppet master is explicitly named in Eric Doyle's assignment tracker. Though these may not be the best of names, in each case there is a reference to it's mechanism, and each ability was thusly named. Shattering, however, has never been referenced to. None of the three, Gabriel, Elle, or Trevor, say the words Shatter, Shattering, or Shatters to pull the name "Shattering" from. The only thing we've seen him use his ability on was glass, and that's how glass breaks. If it would have liquefied, imploded, or vanished, then we'd be able to describe it because glass doesn't normally do any of those things. But we can't, because we haven't seen any other examples. If he used it on wood, and the wood broke into pieces, would we call it Splintering? What if we saw him use it on the wood AND the glass, and thus have contradicting names? He was going to use it on Sylar, and unless Sylar was frozen (ignoring Heroes physics for the sake of argument), he physically couldn't shatter as the glass did. I have to get back to my essay, so I'll rest my case for now, but I'll come back to this later today.--Riddler 09:52, 14 November 2008 (EST)

  • If you're saying it should be renamed to "Trevor's ability", I completely agree. I think it was a mistake to rename this shattering in the first place without a full consensus (which clearly doesn't exist currently) or say an assignment tracker entry. There doesn't have to be consensus to move it back to "Trevor's ability", that's the appropriate name for it per the naming convention. A descriptive name must still pass consensus before it can be used, and this one doesn't. (Admin 09:57, 14 November 2008 (EST))
    • Sorry I didn't note that in this argument. Yeah, I'm for Trevor's ability, even if it is getting old naming abilities with people's names. =P--Riddler 10:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
      • Riddler, if the essay you're writing is as well-written as the persuasive post you wrote above, you should get a good grade! :) "Shattering" is a good name, but it's not the best. I originally thought that Elle said something about the glasses shattering, which is why I didn't mind the move to "shattering". However, I rewatched the scenes, and there is no mention whatsoever of what Trevor can do, nor about the effects of what he can do. That means that the page was moved without consensus, and the most non-speculative name would be "Trevor's ability". I'll move it that way now and the discussion can be about moving it to a different name that still fits the naming convention. If there is a clear consensus for another name (which there isn't), then we can move it to the name that the community agrees on. Until then, it needs to be "Trevor's ability." ... And for the record (because I seem to often represent the unpopular opinion), I'm personally not a fan of the "Soandso's ability" names--I just don't like them. But naming an article (and especially an ability) is less about what a person personally likes or dislikes. It's not about what sounds good, sounds cool, or sounds scientific. It's about following naming conventions, chronicling what we see in the show, and being the least speculative that we can be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:49, 14 November 2008 (EST)
        • Haha, thanks, though I'm pretty sure I had a few grammatical errors above. Off topic a little, the essay I wrote was literally last minute (the comment I posted was at 9:52, my class was at 11:00, when it was due. Procrastination at it's best. It was about 4 pages into the 6 pages I had to write.) It was for Psychology, about Oppositional Defiant Disorder. --Riddler 13:01, 14 November 2008 (EST)
        • Argg... I thought this debate was over, but I shall argue my own case. But first I'd like to say I am simply playing Devil's Advocate and mean no offense to Riddler's well thought viewpoint. ... Riddler's main argument against 'Shattering' is our lack of knowledge about the mechanism by which the power works. The way I see it, this is a moot point. How does Nathan fly? Should we have a similar argument on Flight's page as we are unaware of the method if Nathan bends the air around him, or is immune to the effects of gravity, or if he floats on Tinkerbell's magical fairy dust? I'm aware that flight has a canon source and shattering is nowhere even close to that, but the point is the mechanism by which these characters do the things they do is, well, not needed here. Nathan can fly. I don't know he does it, he just does. Back to Trevor's ability, let's review exactly what we saw him do: shatter two glasses, just by pointing at them. How did he do it? No idea, but there's no doubt in anyone's mind that he SHATTERED those objects. Yes, I know he raised his finger at Sylar to defend himself, but it's purely speculative what would have happened Sylar might have shattered into a million pieces, or nothing at all might happen and Trevor was just raising his finger to try an scare Sylar. The point that everything about this power is speculative, except for the fact that he shattered glasses. Shattering is a name that is completely descriptive of what we've seen Trevor actually do. No speculation. No guessing. Just the evidence provided in the show. ... And I'm done. Hope that was as good as Riddler's... Seb.gwirionyn

Secondary Source?

If you listen to the commentary for Villains (5th segment), executive producer/director Allan Arkush describes the ability. He says Trevor is like "I am so cool. I can break glasses." So isn't that a secondary source for 'glass breaking'?--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)

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