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The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
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iStories,
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4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
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Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine plant growth's name.
Source/Explanation
"Plant growth" is explicitly named in the chapter 1 of Purpose.

Source

  • What's the source of this information? Based on what we've seen so far it seems very speculative. How do we know her power applies only to plants for instance? (Admin 12:19, 3 April 2007 (EDT))
    • We do not. What we have is a description of what we've seen the power do up to this point. We will, of course, modify the description as more information becomes available. --Ted C 12:22, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
      • I think we've omitted less speculative info in the past. I don't think we should be jumping to conclusions calling this her power yet. (Admin 12:23, 3 April 2007 (EDT))
        • We can always change it as we learn more. So far, we know some things she can do. --Ted C 12:24, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
          • There's not enough evidence to name the power reliably yet, though. I think those are better left as notes on Au Co's article for now. (Admin 12:28, 3 April 2007 (EDT))
            • I don't see a problem with just moving the article to a new title if necessary. I'd hate to undo what we've got. We don't need to extensively link it, though. I can comment out the link in the template. --Ted C 12:32, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
              • I agree, Ted. Au Co certainly has a power. Not only is the bulk of the description about her the farming censored, but Dallas says, "It was clear they had unconventional methods." We know she was standing in front of an empty area, she raised her arms, and plants quickly rose from the ground. People were quite shocked. I actually think we know more about her power than Sanjog's power. I agree, Admin, that we need to keep speculation off this page, but I think there's enough known to warrant more than just a note on Au Co's page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:04, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
                • She definitely has a power, no doubt there. I'm just concerned with the idea of naming powers before we have enough evidence to conclude exactly what the power is. It feels like we're jumping the gun here as we've seen one example of what she's done with her powers, but it's not clear whether her power is indeed controlling plants in a general sense, or whether she can only control how the plants grow, or even if her power is more general and applies to things other than plants. Let's always remember that we're not in a race to define new powers and that we should always strive for accuracy over speed. People look to this wiki for accurate information and if we sacrifice that accuracy just to push out new articles then we're going to be doing everyone a disservice. At the same time it would be wrong not to include the information we do already have, we just need to be careful to present that information without making speculative claims in the process. That being said, I'm mostly just trying to encourage discussion about this and ensure that the community as a whole feels that the claims being made here about the nature of her power are justified based on what we currently know. (Admin 14:22, 3 April 2007 (EDT))
                  • Well put. I personally think "plant control" is accurate as far as we understand what she's done. She commanded the plants to grow. Is there something on the page that you think is inaccuarate or speculative? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
                    • Actually, the content of the page is very well done and doesn't strike me as speculative. It's actually just the name of the article/power that's got me a little concerned. (Admin 16:27, 3 April 2007 (EDT))
                      • Well, I think there's enough info to warrant a page, so I don't think it should be relegated to Au Co's notes. The page needs a name--and "Au Co's power" doesn't quite cut it. :) Is there something you had in mind? I'm not crazy about "plant control," but I haven't been able to think of a better alternative. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:40, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
      • I'll note here, however, that we do not see large numbers of unusually healthy farm animals in Au Co's village, suggesting that her power is limited to plants. --Ted C 12:24, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
        • In addition, there's dirt flying up in the air as high as half-way up a kneeling person's body, so about two feet. The upward force to cause dirt to fling up like that suggests the plants sprouted instantly, not over the course of a minute. I say we hold off on any powers. See the discussion of the episode where we were debating this over 4 hours ago.--Bob 12:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
          • I still like florokinesis. Or Induced Fecundity. Heroe!(talk) 18:46, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Agrokinesis?

Are we seriously putting that? It sounds like one of the coined terms on the Activating Evolution wiki where they just add "kinesis" to the end of a prefix. --Bob 01:51, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Personally with the exception of telekinesis, pretty much any so-called power ending in -kinesis sounds contrived to me. I'm glad to see it's gone from the article now. (Admin 02:29, 4 April 2007 (EDT))
    • Well, the pyrokinesis term I think is okay (with respect to the comic world from what I remember as a kid). But chronokinesis is one of those "what are you talking about?" terms that drives me mad.--Bob 02:36, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
      • I agree. Still, Masi Oka used "chronokinesis" in an interview, so I'd even (grudgingly) accept that ahead of "agrokinesis" (which sounds like it has something to do with Industrial music).--Hardvice (talk) 03:09, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Induced Fecundity...... Heroe!(talk) 10:08, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
          • Well I hope no one changes Healing to Vitakinesis because that is another name for Healing. We might as well call flight, aerokinesis and dream manipulation or telepathy neurokinesis. haha. User: Jason Garrick
            • How about "Enhanced Gardening?" :) Webrunner 13:03, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Lead text

I think it was actually more correct without to be inserted. Because of parallel structure, it now reads

causing [plants] to ... be produced in abundance.

Previously, it read

causing [plants] to ... produce in abundance.

I think the text is referring to the plants' abilities to bear fruit in abundance, and not to the abundance of the plants themselves.--Hardvice (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, I thought I might be missing something. That makes a lot more sense now. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:56, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
    • It could probably be clearer, along the lines of "produce fruit in abundance", although people seem to object to the use of the word "fruit" to describe peppers (which are indeed the fruit of the pepper plant).--Hardvice (talk) 14:05, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Plants might also abundantly produce nuts, tubers, leaves, or other desirable bits, so I think it's reasonable to avoid the word "fruit". --Ted C 14:46, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Personally, I think Au Co should stop knocking up so many plants. But I digress...--Bob 14:59, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
          • Induced fecundity.....Heroe!(talk) 23:46, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Linderman

I know we can't post it yet because it hasn't aired yet, but would you consider Linderman's power plant control? And if so does he have a connection to Au Co? User: Jason Garrick

  • Well, I don't think Dallas's abdomen is a plant. The plant was wilting and he made it healthy, just like an injured person.--Bob 23:11, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
    • That, and I who knows how that scene will air? I purposely haven't watched it because I enjoy watching it the night it airs, in context. They very well may explain more about it. Until it airs, there's no way to know how it fits in ... And remember, we still don't know if Linderman is Austin or not. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:58, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Induced Fecundity......Heroe!(talk) 23:46, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

I think Linderman isn't Austin, because in the comics he needed to have contact with the thing he's healing and if you saw the clip (http://www.heroestheseries.com/video-linderman-reveals-his-power/) he just waves his arm, but, then again, Linderman may have advanced his power over the years.--Patrick 20:13, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Name

  • Now that we have some new powers to name, I thought we might revisit some old ones too...Anyone else feel this should be renamed "plant growth"? I mean, it's not like Au Co can command plants to move like Poison Ivy in the Batman mythology.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:30, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep in mind she didn't just make them grow. She made them grow to huge proportions. I saw we focus on Bliss and Horror first. That one has the least fitting name.--Piemanmoo 02:32, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Well, it was rapid plant growth on a wide scale, but the fruits and veggies were not much larger than ordinary. For now, I've given up on getting the administrators to change Bliss and Horror's name, but this one may be easier to change as there is no in-story name for her power.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Also, we don't know for a fact that Au Co wasn't able to control plants like Poison Ivy did. We only saw her using her powers breifley before Dallas shot her. --Piemanmoo 02:48, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
      • No, but the guidelines the admin basically have gone by and Admin plans to add as official help, note that we should name by what we've seen the character do. Having the ability to control plant movement like Poison Ivy is speculative (we don't know whether she did or did not have the ability of plant locomotion, so we can't include that). For the same reason, we can't include Sylar's other powers, or several others as Peter's powers until he uses them (cause we don't know for sure that he can use them).--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:06, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Oh, so this is what you were talking about. I actually agree. All we've seen her do is cause plants to grow. "Plant growth" seems less speculative.--Hardvice (talk) 11:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree 100%. This was the original concern I had about the name for this article back when it was created. (Admin 12:15, 31 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Florakinesis seems to be the best name for this power i think.
    • Perhaps if she moved flowers. She doesn't. She causes plants to grow.--Hardvice (talk) 16:22, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Plant manipulation

You know, with only one known use of Au Co's ability it's speculative to say it's different from Brendan Lewis's power. Or to say it's not. I'm confused. How do you know these powers aren't the same? -- Altes 07:44, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Au Co could only make plants grow faster, she never made them move unnaturally, like killing people. Nor she became plant like. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:06, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

We saw her use her power only once. And shortly thereafter Arthur killed her. Au Co's ability's limits remain unknown. -- Altes 08:05, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

And therefore we can't say they're the same, so we say they're different, assuming it's the same ability is much more speculative than to assume it's not. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

ian needs water

Although ian said he needed water I think that was based on the fact that the land had no moisture in it at all (which is why the camera had a close upof ian holding the dust). I think we should note down that this was in a place with dusty soil and little moisture. Also, given his ability is plant growth, that implys that he needs the same conditions to be met as though plants were growing normally, but he makes the process much faster. I just think this should be noted somewhere. --mc_hammark 05:43, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Ian

It looked like Ian spontaneously created plant life from nothing in the desert, is there any explantion to how he suddenly created a field of grass and flowers without any seed?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:31, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • Well, mabye this was a plan of Samuel because in one episode he was putting seeds in the ground.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:34, 6 January 2010 (EST)

INDUCED Plant Growth

Why can't this be the name of the ability? Both characters who have displayed this ability actually INDUCES the growth of the plants, though at varying speed. It's a better-describing name, I guess. Thoughts?-- Realistic

Image

I know when we first saw plant growth and it was changed to an episodic ability we changed the image almost immediately, but I'd like to suggest we change it to this.

Plant growth in 412 (3).JPG

This shows Ian's hands touching the grass and bits of the dry desert at the top and bottom. The one we have now also has Samuel and Claire in it, which distracts from the ability, something we try to avoid. --mc_hammark 06:03, 18 January 2010 (EST)

  • I can agree with that.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:22, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • Agreed.--Referos 14:24, 18 January 2010 (EST)
      • Me to.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 14:27, 18 January 2010 (EST)
        • Anyone against it? --mc_hammark 14:28, 18 January 2010 (EST)
          • No one has disagreed and the discussion ended around a month and a half ago. I'll make the change.--Hiroman 12:58, 10 March 2010 (EST)