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Source/Explanation
In From the Files of Primatech, Part 1, Angela's ability is explictly listed as precognitive dreaming.
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Change this and precog painting to same

Now, this page should be merged with Precognitive Painting as they are the same thing. It's the same as the argument about Eli's ability on Talk:Cloning. They are the same ability but produced in different ways. --mc_hammark 10:41, 8 December 2009 (EST)

  • I'm unsure. Chandra's journal do state that a girl with a form of presentiment had "precognition", essentially suggesting that any ability to predict the future is called "precognition". Still, even if we don't merge, this ability should probably be called "premonition" or "premonitory dreaming", based on Kring's comment.--Referos 11:03, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • Gotta be honest, both abilities result in the user being in a less-than-conscious state, visualizing an image of the future. In the dreaming variant, the user sees it vividly, but it is open to interpretation. Whereas the painting variant has the user seeing an image that they then draw. They are very similar. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:07, 12 January 2010 (EST)
      • Nah, not really agree with this one, precog dreaming is almost always very rare, and a precog painting is very clear.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:15, 12 January 2010 (EST)
        • Agreed. The painters see the future very clear for the most part whereas the dreamers have a great deal of metaphor to them. Very close, but very different. Such as Healing and Healing touch. --OutbackZack 15:58, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • I wouldn't be totally opposed if they were merged, but it's important to remember that precog dreaming appears to be more then simply dreaming the future. Angela visited Sylar in a dream if I'm not mistaken, and Peter was able to have a conversation with Charles Deveaux.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:55, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • Ah yes, true. Still, I do think this should be renamed to "premonitory dreaming". Thoughts?--Referos 19:28, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Enhanced Dreaming

I've read in the wikipedia page for this ability that it's called as "Enchanced Dreaming" that allows:precognition, postcognition, astral projection. I know this site is not wikipedia, so it's not right to base naming conventions upon another site but won't anyone consider this name? Angela clearly does more than just having precognitive dreams(or premonitive ones, for that matter). I think the ability's name has to have something to do with "dreams" or anything to that effect. I know this ability isn't up for a name change but I'm just trying to put up a discussion...--Realistic

  • I'm pretty sure Angela has always referred to her ability as dreaming the future, nothing about the past or astral projection.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 12:06, 24 January 2010 (EST)
  • Perhaps these are new developments of her ability? --Realistic
    • They are, I believe that she can see the past and affect others as well, but unless someone says (or has said) that she can enter the dreams of others or dreams the past, the name stays.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 18:03, 24 January 2010 (EST)
      • Okay. --Realistic
        • Angela entered Sylar's mind in Eris Quod Sum, and Peter dreamt of Angela and Charles Deveaux discussing the explosion. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 09:47, 25 January 2010 (EST)

Examples?

Is there a reason why we don't have any examples?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:53, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • You mean like a gallery? I don't know either. We should make one, there have been visual representations of it. --mc_hammark 18:03, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Fallout

I know its kind of late but the dream sequence at the end of fallout was kind of accurate, like angela said "dreams are open to interpretation": Simone gets taken away by issac, and nathan saving peter and new york. daevon 22:16, 15 February 2010 (EST)

  • Simone being present at all is quite inaccurate. So is Matt directing traffic, Claude being there, and Mohinder driving a cab. Oh, and New York being destroyed. :) But in all honesty, I really like that the dreams we see aren't slavishly predicting what will happen. I really like that there's a bit of interpretation needed--it certainly makes for better twists. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2010 (EST)
    • Yeah me too, but don't you think simone being dragged away by issac is a little nod to her being killed by him? daevon 22:54, 15 February 2010 (EST)
      • No. Honestly, I don't think they knew they were going to kill her off when Fallout was written. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 16 February 2010 (EST)
        • I think they would have. I mean...why write her into the season, half way through, and not plan to kill her off? considering she was only in a handful after that? And I interpreted the dream like this :D
  • Isaac dragging Simone away: Isaac killing Simone.
  • Niki, D.L. and Micah: They were at Kirby Plaza.
  • Mohinder, pleased to see Peter, then frightened: He tried to help Peter earlier on, and then was worried about what he could do.
  • Matt directing the Sanders/Hawkins to safety: He's a cop.
  • Claire, running to Peter and shaking her head: Claire running to Peter and being forced to shoot him, however, she shook her head coz she wasn't able to.
  • Nathan "dying" with Peter, (we also saw Nathan get burned): Nathan flies Peter away and is badly burned by his radiation, and is then presumed dead by the remaining heroes at Kirby Plaza.
  • Claude, laughing at Peter's inability to control his power: Claude always taunted Peter in order for him to maintain control.

--"The Listener" 06:11, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Prescience vs. Precognitive Dreaming

Angela seems to name her ability "prescience", whereas the file calls it "precognitive dreaming". Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 23:27, 10 March 2010 (EST)

  • Precognitive dreaming seemed more explicit, IMO. Claire might say something like "most people think the power to heal...", but RCR would still be more appropriate.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 23:35, 10 March 2010 (EST)
    • Precognitive dreaming is definitely a better name than prescience !--Imax99 02:35, 11 March 2010 (EST)