Talk:Enhanced strength and senses

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine the name for Enhanced strength and senses.

Enhanced Senses

• Mohinder does state this and Senses apply to touch also. Jason Garrick 21:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Can you pin down the quote? I think that would be good to add to the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't think that's just it. enhanced senses do no make you climb walls--Elchafa 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • YEs they do, balance is actually a sense. And perhaps he can change his balance to walk on walls. Jason Garrick 18:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Name

Couldn't it just be Mohinder's ability, to go with Alejandro's ability? The "Suresh" seems a little superfluous, for lack of a better word. Psilaq Remake 15:36, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

• Sounds like a good idea to me. --Ted C 17:43, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
  • That's how I made it. Someone must've changed it. --Riddler 17:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

On an amusing side note, I'm betting he's got Roach Powers. --Ted C 11:03, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

• Did I call it? --Ted C 11:21, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Guess you did :) -- Futurepeter 11:25, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Looks like you were right, Ted. Should we call this cockroach mimicry?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Cockroaches can't produce web. I think it's spider mimicry.--Referos 17:32, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Well can't we call it insect mimicry? It seems he uses the abilities of a lot of insects, i.e. an ants strength, spiders dislike of light, spider's web making and wall climbing abilities. Insect ability seems more fit.--Sylarversion2 10:14, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I think the time transition sequence from Mohinder's "present" lab to his "future" lab is a dead giveaway. --Ted C 17:40, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • There was a Behind the Eclipse, don't remember which one right now (i think it's the last one or so), where they kind of said Mohinder's powers were actually something like Jeff Goldblum's "The Fly", so I don't think it's "spider-man", and if you give it some thought, it would really suck if they copied that... cause if they do, then what's next? A guy who's super strong, super fast, flies and is extremely allergic to a green rock...? wouldn't that really suck?--Elchafa 22:39, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Peter could do all those things. Apparently his father is his kryptonite, though... ;-) --Maelwys 09:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
          • They said] they were inspired by The Fly, but they didn't say his ability is the same. (Admin 10:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT))
• I'm wondering why "ability" was chosen over something more seemingly appropriate, like "mutation". We know it isn't an ability because Peter visited Mohinder in the future and never broke out in gross sores because of it, unless rapid cell regeneration prevents the adverse side-effects. Revengeance 04:24, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Just because Peter is exposed to an ability doesn't mean he knows how to access it. In a recent episode, Peter had to ask future Sylar to help him learn Sylar's intuitive aptitude even though he had been exposed to it on multiple occasions. That said, Peter may never gain access to Mohinder's ability or may have begun using it and not known he had (Mohinder didn't notice the adverse side-effects until the next day). Arthur had transfered Peter's abilities to himself before the next day occurred for Peter, so Peter never got the chance to develop Mohinder's problems. That said, it will be interesting to see what Arthur can tap into; Mohinder's ability could be one of the abilities he took from Peter.--MiamiVolts (talk) 05:08, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Good point about intuitive aptitude. The mutation may be triggered in the same way as "the hunger". When the ability is used, that is. Revengeance 05:44, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Using Bricks

I watched the episode again, and I'm not entirely sure about this note. I saw his hands flat on the wall at points, I think the cracks may just be coincidental. Maybe it should be noted that it's possible, yet unclear?--Riddler 01:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

• Someone kept adding that, and I kept reverting it. He/she must have done it again and I didn't catch it because it was patrolled. I reverted it, because it's completely speculative. You're correct.--Bob (talk) 02:10, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

The Sticky Stuff

What the hell was he using to pin those people to the wall? Webbing? Phlegm? Whatever it was, it sure made me think of Aliens. --PeterDawson 02:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

• I'm not sure about this, but the thing I was thinking is that he got the formulla perfectly right ! To me it looks more like that his powers are coming to him in parts. First the super strength and stuff, then the scale-like things, and now the sticky stuff. To me it looks like that his ability is something bug-like, and apparently his power is also changing his appearance. It would indeed be interesting that with certain abilities also comes a change in appearance...--Baby Yoda 13:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I doubt Mohinder knows about the Constrictors. Their appearance is also altered by their ability. Mohinder probably thinks his appearance alteration means the formula didn't work properly, but he probably would change his mind if he was to learn about them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Tin foil

I noticed the small amounts of foil around the lab in the future, but now there's a lot of foil in the lab in the present. Anyone else notice this? I find it odd, might have something to do with this ability.--Bob (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

• Yeah, I noticed it last week, but I didn't notice the foil this week. I'm curious what that's all about... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The aliens, of course. Therequiembellishere 00:34, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It's either to stop aliens possessing the furniture, or to give Mo better grip for when he's throwing it at people. On a serious note, I think Mo is covering the reflective surfaces of his lab because he doesn't like what he's becoming. Revengeance 13:52, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
      • ...covering it with slightly less reflective material? Hmm.... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
        • He crinkles the tinfoil to wrap it... Revengeance 23:36, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Either way we can assume Mohinder is insane, so do we really need a logical explanation :P -- FlamingTomDude 21:54, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Mohinder's ability: Insect Mimicry?

• So in the last episode, (Eris Quod Sum), we see Mohinder flying away. Now it makes perfect sense what is happening to him. Because he got the formula wrong, it's messing up his whole dna, mixing abilites with each other. We saw him use the following powers "Flight" (Eris Quod Sum), "Enchanced Strenght", (The Second Coming), "Enhanced Speed" (I Am Become Death), some form of "Spider Mimicry" (The Butterfly Effect) and i might have missed some. What i'm getting at is that this ability probably can't be named because it's a mixture of abilities. But hey... it's just a little theory. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 12:30, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't think he flew there. I think he just jumped , as you know many bugs can jump very high. --Hellknight 12:38, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yeah, that's the most logical thing to me. Intuitive Empath 15:01, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yeah i think i got it all wrong. I read Greg Beeman's blog, which said "Bug Man", but if we look at episode 1 of season 3, we see Mohinder tossing his muggers around, are bugs that strong?? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 15:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Ants, for example, can carry things even much bigger and heavier than themselves. Ordinary bugs with extraordinary abilities!! --Hellknight 15:35, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Yeah, ants can carry things about at least ten times their weight. Intuitive Empath 16:27, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Yeah, he's really reminding me of a Spider-Man analogue. "Spider Mimicry" or even a type of "Arachnid Physiology" sound good based on what we've seen so far. --Torley 23:12, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Yeah, but that really doesn't account for the scales. I'm still thinking cockroach here. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:14, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Maybe a combination of several different bugs? --Ice Vision (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2008 (EST)
  • In the latest Heroes Unmasked, Tim Kring described it as "becoming an insect" and "insect ability". - Hive 16:56, 12 November 2008 (EST)
    • So let's rename it to one of these, yes? - Hive 23:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah I think it's time to finally name this mutated ability. In Heroes Unmasked "307 - A Bug's Life", Tim Kring said that his power is based on the, "...idea of an insect-like ability", and "his speed and strength have a insect like quality". And was to make him slowly transform into a bug. I think this should be called "Insect mimicry" or "Insect transformation"? Oh, they also confirmed that he can't fly, but what they call a "bug-jump". --Powermimic 20:28, 14 November 2008 (EST)
        • Heh, I would prefer cockroach mimicry, but since that isn't confirmed... insect mimicry works well with me... but other people here tend to me more... conservative with the naming convention so maybe we should wait for more opinions on this. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:52, 14 November 2008 (EST)
          • Mimicry again? You might as well call it insectikinesis. - Hive 21:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
            • Uhh... no. Given the fact that Kring describes it as "becoming an insect," insect mimicry is perfectly fine. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:10, 14 November 2008 (EST)
              • Anyone else have any opinions? --Powermimic 04:48, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Building a nest, laying eggs

If I remember correctly Bennet explicitly stated to Tracy and Nathan (and Meredith was there too if you want a third witness) that Suresh was "...building a nest; laying eggs." Does anyone think this is noteworthy? -- FlamingTomDude 21:50, 13 November 2008 (EST)

• What I got from it was that Bennet was just joking, perhaps exaggerating the "freakiness" of Mohinder's ability. If memory serves correctly, he also said right afterwards, "We don't know," or something to that effect. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:08, 13 November 2008 (EST)
  • I think the dialogue went something like:
    Tracy: What was he doing?
    Noah: Building a nest, laying eggs, perhaps. It doesn't matter, but it'd probably be best if you let us check you out just to be safe.
    It didn't sound to me like Noah knew what Mohinder was up to.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2008 (EST)
    • More like "building a nest, laying eggs... who knows?" - Hive 23:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)
• I guess so. Still; wouldn't it be worth making some kind of note about? Clearly Bennet thought it was possible he could have been building a nest or laying eggs. He even wanted to make sure Nathan and Tracy were clean of said eggs. -- FlamingTomDude 22:57, 16 November 2008 (EST)
  • I didn't get that at all. I got that he had absolutely no better idea what Mohinder was up to than anybody else. I don't think he thought Mohinder was (or that he wasn't) capable of laying eggs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2008 (EST)
    • The thought of Mohinder laying eggs... --Ice Vision (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Rename Consensus

• Unless you guys can change Super-Hiro's mind, this check will be mostly pointless cause we already have one person's opinion who doesn't want 'insect mimicry'. I'm not opposed to the name myself, but Mohinder's cocooning reminds me more of what a spider might do to a victim than what any insect would do.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:54, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  • If insect isn't good enough, we can for arthropod mimicry, both insects and arachnids are arthropods. Intuitive Empath 14:19, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, but we should base it to what Tim Kring said, which is "insects"...and by the way, A spider is considered as an insect as well, isn't it?

An if its just spider, how would you explain the ability to jump high or have super strength?...At least if its called "insect", all the bugs are considered as part of the ability, theres no confusion :D--NiveKJ13 16:13, 22 November 2008 (EST)

• Spiders aren't insects. Spiders have eight legs, and insects have only six. And spiders can jump super high. Check out the jumping spider for an example. In any case, I'm not opposed to insect mimicry because one or more producers referred to it being insect-like. Arthropod mimicry is just as good for me, but the person you need to convince atm is Super-Hiro.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:22, 22 November 2008 (EST)

• • Why do I have to convince him?...Won't the admins change the name if on person disagrees about it?...I'm confused lol--NiveKJ13 16:30, 22 November 2008 (EST)
    • Since it's a descriptive name and not one from the show or one the producers have explicitly said, it has to be a unanimous decision.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2008 (EST)

• • • • What?! A namechange won't happen unless there's no more people who disagrees..Even though much more people agrees about it???--NiveKJ13 16:48, 22 November 2008 (EST)
        • That's the way consensus works.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)
      • Super-Hiro's words: "but I suppose I wouldn't mind a name change too much." If in the end, it's still only him for keeping the name, we're still going to keep it even though he's partial? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 16:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)
        • I would think 'partially opposed' is still opposed (he said he wouldn't mind "too much"), but that's for an administrator to decide, not me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)
          • From my perspective, he's not opposed at all; he would prefer Mohinder's ability, yes, but he wouldn't mind a name change. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:02, 22 November 2008 (EST)
            • So, should we change the name?--NiveKJ13 17:24, 22 November 2008 (EST)
              • See Bob's definitive 'no' below.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:58, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Oops...sorry if I caused trouble...to be honest, I just find that for once, this is one ability I don't think there needs to be any better name than the one we have right now...and I don't think I'll change since other people have opposed it now, I no longer need to feel guilty :P Super-Hiro 11:46, 23 November 2008 (EST)

• That's no problem. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions on this site. :) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Insect Mimicry

1. I'll say this one, as 'Insect' and Mohinder's abilities having an Insect-like quality has been said in Heroes Unmasked. --Powermimic 23:37, 21 November 2008 (EST)
2. I'm up for a change to insect mimicry. As long as we have some kind of name for it. -- FlamingTomDude 2:47, 22 November 2008 (EST)
3. I'm for a change, and so far this is the best name we've got that has something to do with canon info. -- Intuitive Empath 12:16, 22 November 2008 (EST)
4. I vote for a name change as well.--NiveKJ13 13:39, 22 November 2008 (EST)
5. One of the creators has already stated that Mohinder's "becoming an insect" and has described his ability as a "bug-like ability." Up until now, anything other than Mohinder's ability was speculative, but right now, I think insect mimicry would be acceptable... and would help get rid of another "-'s ability" in our database... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 14:00, 22 November 2008 (EST)
6. Perfect name. Psilaq Remake 15:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)
7. Per naming conventions, "secondary sources" trumps "possessor's name." It can and should be changed only when the opinion of primary or secondary sources are changed.--Tim Thomason 17:24, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Mohinder's ability

1. To be honest, I think since there are so many different aspects to this, I always thought keeping it as "Mohinder's ability," was actually the best thing. I personally think it's the best way to describe it, actually...but I suppose I wouldn't mind a name change too much. Super-Hiro 13:00, 22 November 2008 (EST)
2. Unfortunately, I am with keeping the name until we have further description. Secondary sources should explicitly name an ability, not describe it. "Insect-like" doesn't say what the ability is, since there's no mention of any mimicry. Maya's ability was stated explicitly as Maya "emmiting" a "plague" or a "virus". The action was explicitly stated, as was the description. That's why this name was implemented with secondary sources. However, we don't have any mention of "mimicry" from a secondary source, only the descriptor of being "insect-like". So I'm for keeping the possessor's name until some new development occurs or a better description is given in a secondary source.--Bob (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2008 (EST)

"Insect-like" wasn't the only thing Tim Kring said; he also said "becoming an insect." I'd say that's an awful lot like mimicry... or some sort of transformation. I think that's enough to go on to change the name to something else, if not insect mimicry. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:43, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Kring "specifically" referred to the power as an "insect-like ability." Could we not just move the page there until a more descriptive name appears? It's not like anyone in-universe (Mohinder, Noah) has a better idea at this time.--Tim Thomason 17:46, 22 November 2008 (EST)

No, that's not how naming abilities works. See naming convention for further details. We don't just name articles until something better comes around. "Insect mimicry" is speculative, in that it states that the user can mimic an insect someway. If you read the naming convention, it states that it cannot be speculative, which is why a descriptive name requires a consensus. I'm not supportive of the use of the word "mimicry" because stating something is "like" does not mean the user mimics the descriptor. In addition, Kring states that the user becomes an insect. However, we have yet to see this aspect of the ability demonstrated, so until that occurs, his description is contradicting his other descriptions. I'm not really sure why so many people are pushing for consensus on this when the next episode Template:Spoilertext. --Bob (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Because not many people read spoilers. :s Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:57, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Bug Mimicry

Insect Metamorphing? or Insect Transformation?

• watcha guys think? "Metamorphing" came from Metamorphosis, the change from Larva to Adult in insects...--NiveKJ13 18:28, 22 November 2008 (EST)
  • Given what Bob said above, and the fact that Template:Spoilertext, it'd probably just be best to wait until tomorrow. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 11:19, 23 November 2008 (EST)