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|The playing cards in the vault are from a game of poker played between [[Kaito Nakamura]] and [[Arthur Petrelli]] that caused them to join forces.|| None || {{plus}}Arthur was in SE Asia during the Vietnam war and could have traveled through Japan.<br /> {{plus}} Kaito's power of probability would be extremely helpful when playing cards. <br />{{plus}}Arthur seems to have an ability that helped him win at cards, as it would be unlikely that his unusual adeptness at cards would be included as extraneous material in ''[[War Buddies, Part 2]]''<br />{{plus}}All of the items in the vault are said to be big clues to plot points. |
|The playing cards in the vault are from a game of poker played between [[Kaito Nakamura]] and [[Arthur Petrelli]] that caused them to join forces. || None || {{plus}}Arthur was in SE Asia during the Vietnam war and could have traveled through Japan.<br /> {{plus}} Kaito's power of probability would be extremely helpful when playing cards. <br />{{plus}}Arthur seems to have an ability that helped him win at cards, as it would be unlikely that his unusual adeptness at cards would be included as extraneous material in ''[[War Buddies, Part 2]]''<br />{{plus}}All of the items in the vault are said to be big clues to plot points. |
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|Mr. Petrelli has powers similar to Sarah Ellis (aka Eden McCain). The ability to persuade people with his voice|| None. || {{plus}} Maury seems to be doing whatever Arthur says. Probably because he can hear Arthur's voice in his head.<br /> |
|Mr. Petrelli has powers similar to Sarah Ellis (aka Eden McCain). The ability to persuade people with his voice|| None. || {{plus}} Maury seems to be doing whatever Arthur says. Probably because he can hear Arthur's voice in his head.<br /> |
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{{minus}} If Arthur was so lucky, he wouldn't have had any reason to commit suicide, and he'd have survived any attempt on his life. <br /> |
{{minus}} If Arthur was so lucky, he wouldn't have had any reason to commit suicide, and he'd have survived any attempt on his life. <br /> |
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{{plus}} It could be that Arthur never committed suicide and faked his death to escape the Company.<br /> |
{{plus}} It could be that Arthur never committed suicide and faked his death to escape the Company.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Not necessarily. To a man in a severe state of depression, "lucky" might reflect a successful suicide attempt rather then a failed one. Equally, people do not become depressed solely by being unlucky, which means he would not be saved from it by luck. |
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|Mr. Petrelli has the [[power]] of immortality.|| Angela Petrelli states that Mr. Petrelli thought he was invincible. (''[[Don't Look Back]]'')||{{plus}}Angela's comment suggests that he was in some way resistant to death |
|Mr. Petrelli has the [[power]] of immortality. || Angela Petrelli states that Mr. Petrelli thought he was invincible. (''[[Don't Look Back]]'') || {{plus}} Angela's comment suggests that he was in some way resistant to death. Perpetuity would explain this fact.<br /> |
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:{{note}}Mrs. Petrelli has lied about her family's "delusions of grandeur" on more than one occasion.<br /> |
:{{note}}Mrs. Petrelli has lied about her family's "delusions of grandeur" on more than one occasion.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Petrelli knew Linderman had the healing power, so any physical injury could always be healed. Perpetuity isn't necessary and is likely not the case, since he seems to have eventually died.<br /> |
{{minus}} Petrelli knew Linderman had the healing power, so any physical injury could always be healed. Perpetuity isn't necessary and is likely not the case, since he seems to have eventually died.<br /> |
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{{minus}}This theory requires that nobody other than those in on the fake suicide had seen Mr. Petrelli's body or that they were somehow able to produce what appeared to be his body.<br /> |
{{minus}}This theory requires that nobody other than those in on the fake suicide had seen Mr. Petrelli's body or that they were somehow able to produce what appeared to be his body.<br /> |
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{{minus}}While Nathan tells Peter that their dad is dead from a heart attack, [[Angela Petrelli]] told Peter in the hospital not only that his father suffered delusions of grandeur and had committed suicide, but that he had attempted it several times before. If his death was faked, those previous attempts are no longer explained.<br /> |
{{minus}}While Nathan tells Peter that their dad is dead from a heart attack, [[Angela Petrelli]] told Peter in the hospital not only that his father suffered delusions of grandeur and had committed suicide, but that he had attempted it several times before. If his death was faked, those previous attempts are no longer explained.<br /> |
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:{{note}}Mrs. Petrelli has lied about her family's "delusions of grandeur" on more than one occasion. |
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| Linderman orchestrated Mr. Petrelli's death to look like a suicide. ||None. || {{note}}Linderman clearly has enough power to do such a thing, and he benefited from Mr. Petrelli's demise in that Nathan switched from being about to prosecute him to being a "candidate in his pocket." <br /> |
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{{minus}}It is implied that his father's death was one of the main motivations for Nathan to begin working with the FBI to bring Linderman down.<br /> |
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{{minus}}It is implied that, in some way, [[Adam Monroe]] was responsible for each 'group of twelve' death so far. |
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| Mr. Petrelli did not have delusions of grandeur. His suicide was a way to make Linderman's healing power public. || Linderman has [[healing]] power. Mr. Petrelli decided to report the truth, but Linderman denies everything about his healing powers. Linderman states he might be delusional. (''[[War Buddies, Part 5]]'') || {{note}}Petrelli pushed Linderman going public about his healing power by committing suicide, forcing him to heal him. Previous attempts were covered up by the media and one time, Linderman just refused to heal him, thus indirectly killing.<br /> |
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{{plus}}Although Linderman said that Petrelli was delusional, it was clear that he wasn't (at that time).<br /> |
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{{minus}}It was stated by [[Angela Petrelli]] that Mr. Petrelli had major depressive disorder. She went on saying that this disorder can start from delusions of grandeur - thinking you're invincible or indestructible. (''[[Don't Look Back]]'')<br /> |
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{{minus}}Linderman claiming that Petrelli was delusional could have merely been a reference to Petrelli's illness.<br /> |
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:{{note}}Mrs. Petrelli has lied about her family's "delusions of grandeur" on more than one occasion. |
:{{note}}Mrs. Petrelli has lied about her family's "delusions of grandeur" on more than one occasion. |
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:{{minus}}There's nothing to tie that clipping to Arthur Petrelli specifically, it just seems to make it clear that there is a weather manipulator out there. |
:{{minus}}There's nothing to tie that clipping to Arthur Petrelli specifically, it just seems to make it clear that there is a weather manipulator out there. |
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|[[Arthur Petrelli]] has [[empathic mimicry]].|| None |
|[[Arthur Petrelli]] has [[empathic mimicry]].|| None. || {{plus}} Some [[telepathy|powers]] seem to be inherited. <br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Arthur]] allegedly thought himself invincible, and this would be similar to [[Adam]] and his ability to [[rapid cell regeneration|regenerate]], while he is also said in ''[[Elle's First Assignment, Part 1]]'' to have a [[heal|power]] similar to [[Linderman]]. <br /> |
{{plus}} [[Arthur]] allegedly thought himself invincible, and this would be similar to [[Adam]] and his ability to [[rapid cell regeneration|regenerate]], while he is also said in ''[[Elle's First Assignment, Part 1]]'' to have a [[heal|power]] similar to [[Linderman]]. <br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Arthur]] is said to have shown no abilities in ''[[War Buddies]]'', which would be consistent with an [[empathic mimicry|empath]] who had not yet been both 1) not near anyone with an active ability, and either 2a) not aware of his own abilities, or 2b) not near any [[evolved human]] at all. <br /> |
{{plus}} [[Arthur]] is said to have shown no abilities in ''[[War Buddies]]'', which would be consistent with an [[empathic mimicry|empath]] who had not yet been both 1) not near anyone with an active ability, and either 2a) not aware of his own abilities, or 2b) not near any [[evolved human]] at all. <br /> |
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:{{note}} The atmosphere of the dream doesn't fit with the dreams that are usually associated with Angela's power, notably her speaking directly with Arthur. Most likely, the dream was induced by Maury and not precognitive.<br /> |
:{{note}} The atmosphere of the dream doesn't fit with the dreams that are usually associated with Angela's power, notably her speaking directly with Arthur. Most likely, the dream was induced by Maury and not precognitive.<br /> |
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::{{note}} There's no way you can say that, considering that we have only seen one precognitive dream from Angela before the events of Angels and Monsters. |
::{{note}} There's no way you can say that, considering that we have only seen one precognitive dream from Angela before the events of Angels and Monsters. |
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|[[Arthur]] has the ability to control evolved humans but not humans. || none || {{Plus}} A young and innocent [[Linderman]] assists in the secret beating interrogation in Vietnam; the human had to be beaten to give up the info. <br>{{Plus}} Controlling the powers of the original company ([[Bob]]'s [[alchemy]], Linderman's [[healing]], [[Angela Petrelli]]'s [[precognitive dreaming]], and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden. <br>{{Plus}} He pushed for research into synthetic evolved humans, because he can't control humans. He was also disappointed with [[Nathan]] for not being born with abilities; he gave him artificial abilities so that he could someday control President of the United States. <br>{{Plus}} With the help of [[Maury Parkman]], he could have faked his own death. If human influence in the company led to a assassination attempt coup d'état style, what better way to lay low than with the help of someone who can manipulate humans and evolved humans, and make everyone think he is dead? <br>{{Plus}} Possibly because of Linderman's demise, Arthur has now been confined to a life support system, without the initial direct contact with certain evolved humans to gain control of them. He hunts these terrorists down using the likes of [[Claire]] and the team we saw, and that he is now attempting to assemble.<br />{[plus}} The future that Angela dream with a dead Peter could have been because Peter could have taken Arthur's power, and he would have snapped everybody out of it.<br /> |
|[[Arthur]] has the ability to control evolved humans but not humans. || none || {{Plus}} A young and innocent [[Linderman]] assists in the secret beating interrogation in Vietnam; the human had to be beaten to give up the info. <br>{{Plus}} Controlling the powers of the original company ([[Bob]]'s [[alchemy]], Linderman's [[healing]], [[Angela Petrelli]]'s [[precognitive dreaming]], and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden. <br>{{Plus}} He pushed for research into synthetic evolved humans, because he can't control humans. He was also disappointed with [[Nathan]] for not being born with abilities; he gave him artificial abilities so that he could someday control President of the United States. <br>{{Plus}} With the help of [[Maury Parkman]], he could have faked his own death. If human influence in the company led to a assassination attempt coup d'état style, what better way to lay low than with the help of someone who can manipulate humans and evolved humans, and make everyone think he is dead? <br>{{Plus}} Possibly because of Linderman's demise, Arthur has now been confined to a life support system, without the initial direct contact with certain evolved humans to gain control of them. He hunts these terrorists down using the likes of [[Claire]] and the team we saw, and that he is now attempting to assemble.<br />{[plus}} The future that Angela dream with a dead Peter could have been because Peter could have taken Arthur's power, and he would have snapped everybody out of it.<br /> |
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| [[Arthur]] has the same power as [[Sylar]]. || None || {{plus}}Sylar's mother is [[Angela]] so [[Arthur]] may be his father.<br>{{plus}} He has been said to have great power. <br>{{plus}}He may want Adam to gain his powers, this would bring him back to perfect health as show in [[Angela]]'s dreams.<br>{{plus}} He has show a mix of abilities. |
| [[Arthur]] has the same power as [[Sylar]]. || None || {{plus}}Sylar's mother is [[Angela]] so [[Arthur]] may be his father.<br>{{plus}} He has been said to have great power. <br>{{plus}}He may want Adam to gain his powers, this would bring him back to perfect health as show in [[Angela]]'s dreams.<br>{{plus}} He has show a mix of abilities. |
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| [[Arthur]] has the ability to alter fate. || None || {{plus}}If he played a card game against [[Kaito Nakamura]] and Kaito's power to alter probability is cannon, then fate would be the only thing that could trump probability. As stated elsewhere, a card game between the two could explain the appearance of the cards in the [[vault]] and how Kaito was convinced to join in forming the [[company]]. <br>{{plus}}It would explain the abundance of coincidences found throughout the series. |
| [[Arthur]] has the ability to alter fate. || None || {{plus}}If he played a card game against [[Kaito Nakamura]] and Kaito's power to alter probability is cannon, then fate would be the only thing that could trump probability. As stated elsewhere, a card game between the two could explain the appearance of the cards in the [[vault]] and how Kaito was convinced to join in forming the [[company]]. <br> {{plus}} It would explain the abundance of coincidences found throughout the series. <br /> |
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| The playing cards in the vault are from a game of poker played between Kaito Nakamura and Arthur Petrelli that caused them to join forces. | None | + Arthur was in SE Asia during the Vietnam war and could have traveled through Japan. + Kaito's power of probability would be extremely helpful when playing cards. + Arthur seems to have an ability that helped him win at cards, as it would be unlikely that his unusual adeptness at cards would be included as extraneous material in War Buddies, Part 2 + All of the items in the vault are said to be big clues to plot points. |
| Mr. Petrelli has powers similar to Sarah Ellis (aka Eden McCain). The ability to persuade people with his voice | None. | + Maury seems to be doing whatever Arthur says. Probably because he can hear Arthur's voice in his head. + Angela could not move once she heard Arthur's voice saying to "Not move". |
| Mr. Petrelli has powers similar to the Scarlet Witch of X-Men fame. The ability to influence reality and probability | None. | + Maury seems to be afraid of Arthur, what short of the ability to alter reality could cause the Nightmare man himself to be afraid?
+ Arthur continued to win games of Poker in Vietnam. This would be a very basic version of this ability. Causing the improbable to happen. |
| Angela didn't love Arthur. | None. | + She cheated on him with everybody under the sun.
+ When Angela discovers that he is in fact alive, her demeanor is one of surprise and fear, rather than any sort of relief or joy. |
| Mr. Petrelli is an evolved human. | None. | + Linderman, Bob, Angela, Linda Tavara and Victoria Pratt insinuated it. |
| Mr. Petrelli is NOT an evolved human, but possesses a synthetic ability that he gave to himself. | None. | + In War Buddies, he didn't seem to have any powers. But the hints that his associates keep giving are pretty overwhelming... this would solve both issues. Plus, from what Angela said about their decision to give Nathan an ability, this would seem to fit with Arthur Petrelli's own personal view on powers. |
| Mr. Petrelli has a power related with probability. | None. | • He kept winning in the card games. (War Buddies, Part 2). - He could just be good at cards, and have a good poker face.
+ His law firm represented Linderman in his many actions. Lawyers occasionally lose; however, Linderman is never scared in his "business ventures" so Arthur must be either a good lawyer or really lucky. |
| Mr. Petrelli has the power of immortality. | Angela Petrelli states that Mr. Petrelli thought he was invincible. (Don't Look Back) | + Angela's comment suggests that he was in some way resistant to death. Perpetuity would explain this fact.
- Petrelli knew Linderman had the healing power, so any physical injury could always be healed. Perpetuity isn't necessary and is likely not the case, since he seems to have eventually died.
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| Arthur has no powers. | None. | + In War Buddies, Mr. Petrelli displays no powers.
- The photo shown in The Kindness of Strangers showed Mr. Petrelli in the presence of a group of people, some of whom have displayed powers.
- Linderman told Nathan that Mr. Petrelli had "great power".
- It is repeatedly stated by Angela that Nathan and Peter are like their father in that they have delusions of grandeur, despite the fact that they have powers. Angela is clearly covering up the powers of her sons, and it would seem is doing the same with the powers of the father.
+ Arthur wears horn-rimmed glasses, possibly a purposeful homage to another powerless, but powerful character.
+ All of the group of twelve don't necessarily have powers. It would be helpful for them to have a lawyer to help build the company, and he would already know of Linderman's powers. He has also previously shown that he can fight for the greater good, which the company tends to do.
- In Elle's First Assignment, Part 1, Bob compares Claire's power to Linderman and Arthur. This wouldn't make sense if Mr. Petrelli had no power. |
| Mr. Petrelli was in hiding from Mr. Linderman, possibly as a part of the Witness Protection Program. He faked a suicide, possibly with the help of Nathan to protect his wife and family and so not to be put into a position either against his son or against Mr. Linderman. | Peter did not sense his own father's passing, like Charles Deveaux's or Nathan's accident. Their mother stated that Nathan was the one who found his father dead.(Genesis, Six Months Ago). |
• Since Peter's father supposedly committed suicide after Nathan's accident, he had already experienced his first vision.
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| Mr. Petrelli is Mr. Bennet's biological father. | Noah Bennet's father needed glasses. (Company Man) Mr. Petrelli needed glasses and apparently wore a horn-rimmed version. (The Kindness of Strangers) |
+ All of Mr. Petrelli's sons (if you include Noah) are named after prominent Biblical characters. - A lot of Anglo Saxon Names appear in the bible, including Matthew, Thomas, Gabriel, and Daniel aka D.L. |
| Arthur's power is weather manipulation. | None. | + During Bob's explanation to Nathan about the strong influence Adam has on people, he talks about a snowstorm that was for Nathan and could've easily been a tsunami, insinuating that Arthur was the creator of the snowstorm.
- The article referenced is from November 21, 2006 Miami Bugle; Arthur Petrelli allegedly died April 2006.
+ A newspaper clippings on the map reads "'Rain' Man Saves Town from Drought".
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| Arthur Petrelli has empathic mimicry. | None. | + Some powers seem to be inherited. + Arthur allegedly thought himself invincible, and this would be similar to Adam and his ability to regenerate, while he is also said in Elle's First Assignment, Part 1 to have a power similar to Linderman.
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| Arthur Petrelli is the true villain of Heroes. | According to War Buddies, "Dallas" has an extremely utilitarian philosophy, torturing a native for several hours to find the lost Skyhawk, and then destroying an entire village along with killing a young girl to win the war. Many of the antagonists related to the Company appear to use the same modus operandi: Linderman wanted to unite the world by killing .07% of its population. |
+ In Truth & Consequences, Victoria tells Peter, "Adam's a murderer, and since you're helping him, you're one too... Just like your parents." |
| Arthur Petrelli is Howard Grigsby. | None. | + Both characters have been said to have delusions of grandeur. - It is unlikely that a minor graphic novel character would actually be a central character. |
| Arthur has the ability to cause immobilization or temporary paralysis in a victim | None. | + In Angela Petrelli's dream Arthur stated "...You won't even be able to move..."
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| Arthur has the ability to control evolved humans but not humans. | none | + A young and innocent Linderman assists in the secret beating interrogation in Vietnam; the human had to be beaten to give up the info. + Controlling the powers of the original company (Bob's alchemy, Linderman's healing, Angela Petrelli's precognitive dreaming, and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden. + He pushed for research into synthetic evolved humans, because he can't control humans. He was also disappointed with Nathan for not being born with abilities; he gave him artificial abilities so that he could someday control President of the United States. + With the help of Maury Parkman, he could have faked his own death. If human influence in the company led to a assassination attempt coup d'état style, what better way to lay low than with the help of someone who can manipulate humans and evolved humans, and make everyone think he is dead? + Possibly because of Linderman's demise, Arthur has now been confined to a life support system, without the initial direct contact with certain evolved humans to gain control of them. He hunts these terrorists down using the likes of Claire and the team we saw, and that he is now attempting to assemble. {[plus}} The future that Angela dream with a dead Peter could have been because Peter could have taken Arthur's power, and he would have snapped everybody out of it.
+ In both possible futures Hiro is a sought after "terrorist" but is to be captured, not killed like Peter. With a time controller, Arthur could correct his past mistake and take over much sooner and easier, as well as avoid being put on life support. |
| Arthur has the same power as Sylar. | None | + Sylar's mother is Angela so Arthur may be his father. + He has been said to have great power. + He may want Adam to gain his powers, this would bring him back to perfect health as show in Angela's dreams. + He has show a mix of abilities. |
| Arthur has the ability to alter fate. | None | + If he played a card game against Kaito Nakamura and Kaito's power to alter probability is cannon, then fate would be the only thing that could trump probability. As stated elsewhere, a card game between the two could explain the appearance of the cards in the vault and how Kaito was convinced to join in forming the company. + It would explain the abundance of coincidences found throughout the series. - The coincidences might be plot devices. |
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