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******************I see Puppet Master evolving that way as well, but now that we've seen him directly affect an inanimate object, an evolution towards Telekinesis wouldn't be so far out either. It may never get to the point where they are the same power, but I see it getting pretty close. With a two powers that can achieve the same affects, it gets hard to draw the line. -[[User:Vampirate68|Vampirate68]] 19:28, 15 June |
******************I see Puppet Master evolving that way as well, but now that we've seen him directly affect an inanimate object, an evolution towards Telekinesis wouldn't be so far out either. It may never get to the point where they are the same power, but I see it getting pretty close. With a two powers that can achieve the same affects, it gets hard to draw the line. -[[User:Vampirate68|Vampirate68]] 19:28, 15 June |
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It wont get hard to draw the line as long as the writers keep the story straight and not mess up like they did with shape shifting. Plus, I dont see anyway that these abilities are getting closer together: Doyle can only control joint movements and Sylar can move anything with his mind. [[User:Daevon|Daevon]]21:31, 15 June 2009 (EDT) |
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First Appearance
Doyle's first appearance was in The Butterfly Effect.
-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:18, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
On the spolier for Heroes, it says that his power will be mind control. Should it be said now, or wait until the episode?
Power
Seems to me like a good name would be physical manipulation...or Forced Mimicry...or just Puppeteering
- I'd go with Puppetry only because the preview for the next episode called him the Puppet Master.--Riddler 22:12, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
- Yeah, that's where I got the idea. But I don't know, it doesn't seem scientific enough, if you know what I mean
- It sounds no more awkward than alchemy.--Watchmaker 01:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
- Yeah, that's where I got the idea. But I don't know, it doesn't seem scientific enough, if you know what I mean
- I did confirm that he was nicknamed the puppetmaster weeks ago. His ability is a form of mind control. He controls the mind though effects the body's responses. His ability is similar to telepathy though he does not effect ones emotions or thoughts. He just controls the brain's response to movement.--ACDC1989 06:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
- Are you quoting your cousin, or are you paraphrasing him? Who exactly is your cousin? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
When was he locked up in Level 5?
The graphic novel opens "two years ago" which would be 2005 based on the series' present being 2007, but then a couple pages later, October 2006 is identified as being "two years later" from that, which would imply that Doyle was locked up in 2004. My only idea is that they fudged the date knowingly figuring late October 2004 is close enough to 2005 that they could just round down to "two years." - Only3Penguins
the mark
The categories say that Eric has the mark, but his Assignment Tracker doesn't mention any marks or scars on him. Did I miss a scene where you could see it on his neck or something?--Piemanmoo 23:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)
- Noah injected him with a pneumatic syringe after Claire took him out. I'm actually doubting this a bit; I don't think that was the same syringe that causes marks, but a mere tranquilizer. I'd have to rewatch the episode to be sure. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:08, 11 December 2008 (EST)
- It was a trank, not a pneumatic syringe. He doesn't have the mark. ~~ Darmenos 22:42, 11 December 2008 (EDT)
- Actually, he does. It was the pneumatic syringe, complete with the double needle on the end and the glowing blue and red/green lights. See here. The assignment trackers don't always list all marks and scars. See Claude's profile, or Jesse's first profile, for example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
- Actully, he does. Raiku 00:21, 12 December 2008 (EST)
- Great! I just looked at the shot you uploaded, and upon a closer look, it is the pneumatic syringe. Initially, I didn't think it was because the blue capsule thing in the back of it isn't really visible when Noah uses the syringe. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 00:22, 12 December 2008 (EST)
- Yeah, it's a quick shot. There's a frame or two about a second earlier than the shot I uploaded where you can see the serum container. I think this is the first time we've seen the red light turn green, though. I'm glad they resurrected that prop. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 12 December 2008 (EST)
- ...Damn. Good call, Ryan. ~~Darmenos 23:26, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
- Actually, he does. It was the pneumatic syringe, complete with the double needle on the end and the glowing blue and red/green lights. See here. The assignment trackers don't always list all marks and scars. See Claude's profile, or Jesse's first profile, for example. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Last dance
I was really glad to see Doyle get one last really badass moment on this show, and how better to do that than have him control Sylar? Sent chills down my spine. --Ricard Desi 10:35, 16 December 2008 (EST)
- Who's saying he's dead?--IotV 17.56, 4 January, 2009 (GMT)
- He's not. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:58, 4 January 2009 (EST)
good man
IceGhost78 i like his nickname for claire. very nice
Sylar
Isnt it obvious that sylar sent doyle ? Gabriel Bishop 15:48, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
- IceGhost78 this is very debatable my friend, how did sylar find Doyle after Claire helped him, and we didnt see Sylar that entire episode
- We'd like to wait for something to be confirmed rather than presume. It could have been another Rebel style character that is actually working for Danko, or anyone that is in on the operation: we really have no idea who it is. So wait to see if it is confirmed before editing in what could be conceived as spoilers.-- Tristan0709 talk 04:07, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
Profile Picture
Should we change Eric's picture? This one is kind of creepy, and recently Eric's been a good person, so shouldn't his picture resemble it instead of the creepy guy he used to be? A lot of people have previously gotten picture updates, so why not? But then again, this is a pretty good picture and he could change back to being creepy all over again. I don't know. It's just an idea.--Spexile 20:37, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
His alias
Did Rebel give Doyle his alias Jason Tyminski? I though it was Claire who did that... (Shades of Gray) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:28, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
- Claire may have been the one who gave the fake ID, but Micah would have certainly forged other documents such as social security number and birth certificate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:22, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
New Power?
I just got done watching Nowhere Man Part 4 and at the end he shuts the door from across the room with his hand. So does he now have telekineses (sp)?--OutbackZack 21:10, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
- I thought the same, but it could be because he could control objects and people and the door was an object. --TrueBlueBrooklynite 21:12, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
- Haha that sounds like telekineses then. I guess his power evolved like so many others.--OutbackZack 21:17, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
- It's not going to be TK. People don't manifest powers for no real reason, especially not one so similar. It's likely Doyle has a more finite control over his Puppet Master now, allowing him to control non-human objects. Most of what PM can do TK can do, and vice-versa. Showing characteristics of TK does not mean he has TK, no more then Matt has Illusion as a seperate power.---Swmystery 03:58, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?--Uncanny474 16:11, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- A bit of correction, people can resist what Doyle "makes" them do with his ability, with Sylar's telekinesis they cannot and are not able to resist what Sylar is "making" them do with his power. -Tyr Aires 16:16, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- Still doesn't explain the door. The best we can do is widen the definition of his ability. So far, the constant in everything he has done is control the intent movement of a person or object. If they can bend their arm, he can bend their arm for them, if they can walk, he can make them walk where he wants to, if a door can open and close, he can do open and close it at will without touch. He hasn't ripped a person's arms off, thrown them against the wall, torn a door off the hinges, etc. --OutbackZack 17:43, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- I wasn't explaining about the door; I was explaining about Uncanny474's post " First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?" which I corrected because he said every single thing is the same but it is not. - Tyr Aires 17:45, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
- Tyr Aires- If I am not mistaken, people have resisted Sylar's telekineis just as they have resisted Doyle's abilities. OutbackZack- Sure he uses a different motion to access his power but haven't we seen that before? People access powers in multiple ways. The number one example is Knox and Niki. Knox needed fear to access his power and Niki didn't. Did that mean they didn't have the same power? No. They just accessed it differently. Also, you said that he hasn't ripped arms off and thrown people against a wall. You are forgetting that Sylar can throw people against walls because he has advanced control over it. Bryan Davis started off just moving a glass. If you started at Brian Davis' level and tried to go to Sylar's level of control, how long do you think it would take? Doyle is just starting off as well. Right now he may only think he can control the motor functions of people and objects, but it could evolve into telekinesis. He may only think he can just move people and objects because that's all he thinks he can do. If he just were to try to push someone back like Sylar does, he probably would find that he could. -Vampirate68 12:32, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
- Thank you, Vampirate. To sum up/add, people have tried to resist Sylar, but nobody's succeeded. This isn't a mark of TK, but a mark of his control over it. I've thought long and hard about the possibilities of TK, and I've come to the conclusion that Sylar doesn't even have full control--or at least he hasn't excercised it. If he had full control, he could stop movement on a subatomic level, causing Absolute Zero, which we haven't seen... yet. Sylar intuitively understands powers, wheras all other evolved humans must learn by trial and error. So Puppet Master is looking closer and closer to TK. How long before we call them one and the same. ^^Edit^^ Oh, darn. Forgot the signature. Bane of my dang existance. --Uncanny474 19:57, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
- Nobody has succeeded in resisting Doyle either. -Vampirate68 22:45, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
- Sylar has. And the two abilities would still be different, I don't think Doyle would be able to point at someone's forehead and slice it open. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:08, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
- I actually do, but not just yet. Skin is part of the body, is it not? If he can make an arm move or a leg kick, couldn't he make skin part?-Vampirate68 22:11, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
- What I mean is that Doyle can't make people or objects move in a way they would do naturally. Doyle can make a door close, but can he rip it off its hinges and send it flying at someone with his ability? I don't think he can. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I think, that if he really worked at it, he could. It's all about the speed at which he moves the door. -Vampirate68 18:48, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I'm not saying about making forceful movements, I mean intricate moves like telekinesis. You seriously think Doyle could, say, make it stay floating in the air? Doing the same glass trick Sylar did way back in season one? Summon a parkimeter from afar? Cut things in his own arm? About the skin thing, it makes sense for arms and leg to move, they have articulations, it makes no sense for him to control no articulate things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:01, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- At the moment, it would seem that he couldn't. But only time will tell. Just look at Telepathy. At first it was just mind reading. Now look what it has become. Powers evolve. -Vampirate68 19:06, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- Telepathy's evolution makes sense, puppet master's don't, at least not to the telekinesis direction, the only way I can see it evolving is by getting stronger, or by Doyle needing less movements to use the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:21, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I see Puppet Master evolving that way as well, but now that we've seen him directly affect an inanimate object, an evolution towards Telekinesis wouldn't be so far out either. It may never get to the point where they are the same power, but I see it getting pretty close. With a two powers that can achieve the same affects, it gets hard to draw the line. -Vampirate68 19:28, 15 June
- Telepathy's evolution makes sense, puppet master's don't, at least not to the telekinesis direction, the only way I can see it evolving is by getting stronger, or by Doyle needing less movements to use the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:21, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- At the moment, it would seem that he couldn't. But only time will tell. Just look at Telepathy. At first it was just mind reading. Now look what it has become. Powers evolve. -Vampirate68 19:06, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I'm not saying about making forceful movements, I mean intricate moves like telekinesis. You seriously think Doyle could, say, make it stay floating in the air? Doing the same glass trick Sylar did way back in season one? Summon a parkimeter from afar? Cut things in his own arm? About the skin thing, it makes sense for arms and leg to move, they have articulations, it makes no sense for him to control no articulate things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:01, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I think, that if he really worked at it, he could. It's all about the speed at which he moves the door. -Vampirate68 18:48, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- What I mean is that Doyle can't make people or objects move in a way they would do naturally. Doyle can make a door close, but can he rip it off its hinges and send it flying at someone with his ability? I don't think he can. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
- I actually do, but not just yet. Skin is part of the body, is it not? If he can make an arm move or a leg kick, couldn't he make skin part?-Vampirate68 22:11, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
- Sylar has. And the two abilities would still be different, I don't think Doyle would be able to point at someone's forehead and slice it open. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:08, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
- Nobody has succeeded in resisting Doyle either. -Vampirate68 22:45, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
- Thank you, Vampirate. To sum up/add, people have tried to resist Sylar, but nobody's succeeded. This isn't a mark of TK, but a mark of his control over it. I've thought long and hard about the possibilities of TK, and I've come to the conclusion that Sylar doesn't even have full control--or at least he hasn't excercised it. If he had full control, he could stop movement on a subatomic level, causing Absolute Zero, which we haven't seen... yet. Sylar intuitively understands powers, wheras all other evolved humans must learn by trial and error. So Puppet Master is looking closer and closer to TK. How long before we call them one and the same. ^^Edit^^ Oh, darn. Forgot the signature. Bane of my dang existance. --Uncanny474 19:57, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
- Tyr Aires- If I am not mistaken, people have resisted Sylar's telekineis just as they have resisted Doyle's abilities. OutbackZack- Sure he uses a different motion to access his power but haven't we seen that before? People access powers in multiple ways. The number one example is Knox and Niki. Knox needed fear to access his power and Niki didn't. Did that mean they didn't have the same power? No. They just accessed it differently. Also, you said that he hasn't ripped arms off and thrown people against a wall. You are forgetting that Sylar can throw people against walls because he has advanced control over it. Bryan Davis started off just moving a glass. If you started at Brian Davis' level and tried to go to Sylar's level of control, how long do you think it would take? Doyle is just starting off as well. Right now he may only think he can control the motor functions of people and objects, but it could evolve into telekinesis. He may only think he can just move people and objects because that's all he thinks he can do. If he just were to try to push someone back like Sylar does, he probably would find that he could. -Vampirate68 12:32, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
- I wasn't explaining about the door; I was explaining about Uncanny474's post " First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?" which I corrected because he said every single thing is the same but it is not. - Tyr Aires 17:45, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
- Still doesn't explain the door. The best we can do is widen the definition of his ability. So far, the constant in everything he has done is control the intent movement of a person or object. If they can bend their arm, he can bend their arm for them, if they can walk, he can make them walk where he wants to, if a door can open and close, he can do open and close it at will without touch. He hasn't ripped a person's arms off, thrown them against the wall, torn a door off the hinges, etc. --OutbackZack 17:43, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- A bit of correction, people can resist what Doyle "makes" them do with his ability, with Sylar's telekinesis they cannot and are not able to resist what Sylar is "making" them do with his power. -Tyr Aires 16:16, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- First, I was under the impression that he moved people by controlling their brain. Second, when it's that close to TK, it's not ability homology, it's the SAME THING. Moving matter with your mind is pretty much the definition of TK. So, now that the distinction that TK is primarily used on objects and Puppet Mastery is strictly for humans gone, what's the difference? How they work? Both brain-based. Effects? The same. Every single thing is the same. So why not call his power TK and move him in with Sylar?--Uncanny474 16:11, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- It's not going to be TK. People don't manifest powers for no real reason, especially not one so similar. It's likely Doyle has a more finite control over his Puppet Master now, allowing him to control non-human objects. Most of what PM can do TK can do, and vice-versa. Showing characteristics of TK does not mean he has TK, no more then Matt has Illusion as a seperate power.---Swmystery 03:58, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
- Haha that sounds like telekineses then. I guess his power evolved like so many others.--OutbackZack 21:17, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
2009 (EDT) It wont get hard to draw the line as long as the writers keep the story straight and not mess up like they did with shape shifting. Plus, I dont see anyway that these abilities are getting closer together: Doyle can only control joint movements and Sylar can move anything with his mind. Daevon21:31, 15 June 2009 (EDT)