Talk:Monica Dawson

Notes for spoilers

I couldn't find specifically the articles that mentioned her from the Spoiler:Season Two article, so if anyone can, feel free to put them in the Notes section.--Bob 15:20, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

• I was wondering if Lyfeiscake couldn't be Dana Davis because I can't find where does the photo the user uploaded come from ... --  (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
  • It doesn't look like it. The picture is also on BuddyTV's website by the way so it's probably from there. (Admin 15:50, 17 August 2007 (EDT))
    • Not that it necessarily means anything, but the only result in a Google search for Lyfeiscake is to the Large Penis Support Group. Mmm-kay. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:34, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Micah's cousin

I couldn't find anything that said that Monica is Micah's cousin. Acting as a surrogate, yes, but not cousin. If it's out there, I'd love to see a reference to it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

• Found it at TV Guide--Nana is Micah's great-aunt, which makes Monica Micah's second cousin. I can draw a diagram if anybody needs. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
  • A diagram might help. Nana has a daughter and that daughter has Monica and another kid (a boy I think). Nana has a sibling (who may or may not be Paulette Hawkins) and that sibling is one of DL's parents. DL is Micah's father. So Monica's mother/Nana's daughter is DL's first cousin. Nana is DL's aunt. Monica and her brother are DL's first cousins once removed. --Meteor

Name of Power

So far we've only seen her duplicate things shown on TV. I'm trying to think of a good name of this ability, but i dont want something stupid sounding like "Television-Induced Innate Ability"...lol. Anyways, maybe if any of you on here watch the anime Naruto, any resembleances of her power to the abilities of the Sharingan? Just something I thought was funny :) --Pred 0212 22:13, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

• Personally, I like Very Bad Television Mimicry but then I don't much care for wrestling or cooking shows. Thank goodness she wasn't watching Fear Factor. Instead of kicking him, she woulda forced that guy to eat slugs. - ZachsMind 23:31, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• What about photographic imitation? The only reason why I say photographic is because like someone with a photographic memory, she could perform any act with exact precision. Also when it showed her watching the wrestling match, the sound effects sounded like camera shutters. FlyingMan 22:18, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

• • A savant is a person who can re-create something by seeing it once... a bit like Enhanced memory, but not quite. One who might be a Savant could be able to hear a piece by Bach and play it back on their piano after just one hearing, or meet a person once and sculpt their figure down to the last detail. syndrome - now, this is a bit of a different, as it's physical, but in general, it's the same thing. She sees an act, and can imitate it. :::: EITHER THAT or something involving flat-out "Mimicry" or "Immitation". --Riddler 22:24, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I think a few of the suggestions are good. I believe the National Enquirer spoilers referred to it as "photographic reflexes." I also like something with "mimicry" in it like "physical mimicry", though there's probably a better word than "physical." (Admin 22:28, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
  • I really like the name photographic reflexes. Jason Garrick
    • I'm not the biggest fan of "Photographic reflexes" only because they aren't really reflexes. A reflex is an uncontrolled reaction to some stimuli. On top of that, her two uses of the power aren't reflexes- making a tomato into a flower and thinking before attacking the robber... this is mimicry in it's finest.--Riddler 22:53, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Also remember, Monica was not even thinking about cutting the tomato when she made it a rose. When she attacked the robber she maybe though about attacking for a split second. She had NO idea that she was going to do that. I think her power is exactly what reflexes. But Riddler, I see what you mean: for instance it isn't the kind of reflex that when you take rubber and hit your knee, your knee flies up. It is almost as if her mental and physical beings are working together to make a photographic powerful "reflex". Tell me if that confuses you. I think the word mimcry is what throws me off. If we use mimicry we should use the word physical. BEcause photographic mimicry sounds like empathic mimicry to me. Beside the first two words being the same. We need to distinguish that Monica's powers to not involved replicating others powers. (Even though we're not sure yet). Also there is a person in the DC universe who has this power. I don't remember who but I'll call my guy tomorrow and ask. But how about:

-Physical Replication -Physical Reflexes -Photographic Physical Replication I think the key words we can use are: Physical, photographic, replication, reflexes, mimicry.

• Also did anyone notice that Monica's tomato rose was much more detailed than the one she saw on TV? Maybe her power also allows her to improve on any action that she replicates to a greater extent than what she witnesses (also if you think about it, the authenticity of wrestling being real vs. fake is popularly disputed. Perhaps she is improving on the wrestling move by actually performing what was possibly an acted stunt by the wrestler). FlyingMan 23:10, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

• • I don't buy that she didn't know she was gonna do the 619. I do think that she was a little shocked she was able to do it, but the same thing applies to when Peter first flied - even when Claire's toe grew back. You saw she was thinking about it for a second, and ran straight at him. I definitely wouldn't call that reflexive. Again, the definition of a reflex is a subconcious reaction to some stimuli... you can't define something with just half of that (being subconcious.) All the powers started subconcious. Keep that in mind. --Riddler 23:14, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Okay. Anyway. i thought of a pretty good name. It's a bit of a mouthfull, but a jumbling of these words I think could work: Physical Motion REplication. What'd you think? She is able to replicate physical motions. And physical motion mimicry works too. Someone made a page using Photographic reflexes but I changed it for the time being "not official" because her power is not exactly reflexes. Jason Garrick 23:25, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • "Photographic reflexes" is the fairly standard comic book name for this ability. See Taskmaster for an example.--Hardvice (talk) 23:31, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I'm leaning towards photographic mimicry. What Monica sees, she can do, just as what Charlie saw or read, she would memorize. Whether or not it's limited as reflex-only is a different and separate matter from the name of the power, cause she might be able to overcome that limit. I guess the first test of my theory is if she can mimick Micah's power... if she can, then photographic mimicry is the best def. If she can't, physical motion mimicry is my choice. We aren't limited to just the standard comic book names.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
          • No, but it is part of the naming convention--and higher up the list than descriptive names.--Hardvice (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
            • You're right, and after reviewing your link about Taskmaster, I've found that Taskmaster wasn't limited to just reflexes either. So I've changed my mind. "photographic reflexes" is the best name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:41, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I agree with "photographic reflexes" as well. A reflex doesn't have to be involuntary, it depends on the usage of the word and if it's already a common comic power then it already carries more weight than a term being invented. (Admin 23:35, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
        • "Reflex" just doesnt seem right in this situation, Taskmaster or not. 'Cause the word reflex has nothing to do really with this power... almost every power we've seen so far STARTED as a reflexive move. Think of Peter stopping the tasers or Hiro stopping the arrows. As Miami said, we're not limited to Comic Book powers... but I can't argue two of the guys who run this site. It just doesn't seem to fit. =\--Riddler 23:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
          • "two of the guys who run this site?" I hope you don't mean me and Hardvice because we don't really have any more say than anyone else. It's a community effort except for very rare instances where the community cannot come to consensus (which has happened exactly once ever so far). (Admin 23:40, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
            • Meh, sorry. Long day, and kinda felt cornered on this. This name just doesn't seem right, not even for the regular comic world. I wonder if they actually ever STATE that that's the name of his power in any of the comics.--Riddler 23:42, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
              • Frequently, and you're right--it sounds a bit dumb when he says it, too. But I think it's a good description.--Hardvice (talk) 23:44, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
                • I agree with you Riddler, that it doesn't quite make sense, but since it is fiction the name doesn't have to as long as the description matters. In this case, the power is kind of a proper name/title that doesn't get changed even if it is wrong.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Nope, don't like Photographic Reflexes at all. In fact, I don't like either word as a description of this power. Something along the lines of Visual-Moto Mimicry sounds best to me, only not exactly that. Reproduction would also work. --Fcphantom 23:46, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
          • -raises hand in corne shyfully- hey guys. What do you think of the name I gave it. I think it works.

I think Photographic Reflexes is a lovely name, and Hardvice's reference to a comic book character having pretty much the same ability makes the name seem very credible. Awesome! --Pred 0212 01:06, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps Photographic Reflexes isn't right because

• I happen to like that name and the name I gave it. But Photographic Reflexes is a comic book term that we're arguing about. Heroes really isn't a comic book. If so maybe we should called Enhanced Strength, super strength! I mean that is what that is. And so on and so forth. But I'm kind of neutral. I like photographic reflexes and i don't... o.O Ah well g'night.Jason Garrick 00:03, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
  • That is a bit of an argument that might need to be adjusted to the standards. Alot of the powers we've named, we've done so in a sense that there is another power we have already named. We named Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Memory, and Enhanced Hearing all based on the "Enhanced" title. The common terms in comics aren't these, rather, "Superhuman Strength" and "Superhuman senses."--Riddler 00:06, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
    • That argument can be used for both sides. Telepathy, technopathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, and cryokinesis are comic book terms as well. It's not about whether it's commonly used or not, it's just what makes sense. Monica's mind seems to "photograph" the actions she sees and later replicates them without any second thought, much like a "reflex"?
      • If Monica's ability expands to include power adoption (which only makes sense), then it should be changed to "Optical Mimicry" to coincide with Peter's "Empathic Mimicry" and Sylar's should be changed to "Intuitive Mimicry" to set the mimics consistently apart from the other heroes. - ZachsMind 23:27, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

main character?

I don't know who moved her to the principle cast, but I would relegate her to supporting for now (though it pains me).--Bob (Talk) 00:45, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• Dana Davis is a member of the principle cast; I just checked the beginning credits. (Admin 00:48, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Like we've always said - if an actor's name is in the first set of credits, then they are in the principle cast. It's the one distinction we have a strict rule for. --Fcphantom 00:50, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
    • It's one of my favorites because it's so easy to confirm! (Admin 00:51, 16 October 2007 (EDT))
      • I had put Monica's name in the principals on the first page. I specifically remember seeing it too. I thought they were naming supporting and then they said Also etc. i'm so happy she's a main character. I wish Takezo was though.

Monica's Sound and 'Costume'

Did anyone else notice that on more than one occasion during Kindness of Strangers, when Monica's power was kicking in, there was a near mechanical sound embedded into the music? It reminded me vaguely of Billy Joel's song "Goodnight Saigon" which opens up with helicopter blades. I bring this up because the only other character that comes to mind with his own distinctive sound is Sylar's clockworking. Matt's got this vague occasional echoey thing when he's trying to listen to people but it's not as consistent. Most of the other characters don't really have their own sound, aside from Sylar and Monica. Also distinctive is her uniform. I can only think of two other characters who've appeared in a uniform with any consistency: Matt (policeman) and Claire (cheerleader). Both characters have since abandoned their uniforms but Claire's about to wear one again, and Matt could always get demoted. LOL. Last year it was "The Cheerleader" but this year it looks like it's "The Burgercane"! - ZachsMind 23:21, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• I think the sound is supposed to hearken back to the old ten-million dollar man and the old bionic woman.--E rowe 10:25, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

A new peter?

Would it be possible for her to learn how to Fly, regenerate and gain other super powers just by watching TV shows?