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Thanks, man. I learnt how to do that, and then completely forgot. ;) --Conspiracy Unit 06:59, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

• No biggie whatsoever. I'm mostly concerned about people searching for something in the regular pages and accidentally stumbling upon your page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 07:05, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Question about Trivial/Fun/Funny things people might have missed

Hey there RGS- I used to have a bunch of screencaps after the second episode of last season for speculation/trivia, but the image host I used went offline. I still have copies offline, and the various threads at a few HEROES fansites are still up, along with a trail for HEROES Screencaps. If you wanted to look at least at the descriptions (though there are a few), could you figure out if any of the images could/should be hosted here?

Also, more recently, I made a thread about things people may have missed in "Lizards" (you'll need to log in at 9thW to read it, and most of my posts include a screencap), which are mainly trivial/fun/funny things I noticed while rewatching Lizards. Is there a place in an episode article where some of those might fit?

Just wondering what you thought. 'ROESian

• First, I had no idea that you were Hero from 9th Wonders. Okay, now that that's out of the way, great stuff you put on 9th Wonders. (I can't access snurl from my work computer, so I'll look at that stuff later).

1. Pyrex could be mentioned on product placement if you want.
2. I thought about making an article for US Press. It would be considered a publication.
3. The article text would make for some good trivia on the page.
4. My wife and I met in theater/film classes, and we noticed the horse's behind, too. (Subtle jokes like that are fun--kind of like when Sylar cut off the top of Charlie's head while she was cutting the lid off a big can.) I don't know if the horse's behind could go anywhere, though--it's just a fun filmmaking device.
5. I suppose the sticker could be included in the gallery on Costa Verde High School.
6. I noticed the locker number too (my wife hates when I rewind TiVo to check things like that out). That would make a good piece of trivia on Claire Bennet or CVHS or both.
7. I usually try to ignore continuity errors. I know people revel in them, but (with the exception of content-based errors) they've never really done anything for me.
8. It's funny that you noticed so many things that I noticed too. My wife hates feet and couldn't stand that scene (as I think most people got a little squeamish during Claire's feet feat). She said she was particularly disturbed by the sore on her toe, and I wondered how Claire could ever get a sore? Odd thing to overlook, eh?

• Great stuff, though. You've got a good eye, and I'd love it if you could put something together like that for each episode. Sort of a useless and fun trivia compilation for every chapter. Thanks! -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 14:44, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
  • That's fun that ya noticed those also. If I could get a higher-resolution screencap of the Kaito article, I could transcribe more of the randomness in it. FYI- a Talkback Studios does exist, which merged with Freemantle Media (Thames) to make TalkbackThames. And I sorta told ya (if you read it) my various usernames here... The random sightings were enough (imo) to make a thread about it for "Lizards", and if there are enough interesting (at least to me) things in future eps, I'll probably continue making threads for TYMM (Things You Might've Missed). Just a question - why would they use a "pyrex" glass, when, in such a quick scene, any glass would do, unless it was for product placement? Anyway, in my "blog" at TVGuide, some people have also requested that I make it a weekly thing, but it would kinda depend on what I notice, unless it's something where it's a regular deal to which everyone contributes. 'ROESian
    • I hadn't read the post that came after mine. I don't check 9th Wonders as frequently as others. All that fan fiction and role playing stuff gets in the way, if you ask me. The last time I check that thread was when I posted. And you're Hiro at Tim Sale's board, eh? Didn't know that! ... I asked Tim to show us a high-res image of the latest painting (the one Noah unfurls that shows Kaito's death), but I'm afraid my post got lost in the shuffle. You might want to ask him, too. His high-res versions are always so much better than what's shown onscreen. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 14:49, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Help page summaries

• So I think the help pages have a tendency to be a bit tl;dr. I like how Help:Memorable quotes has the little sidebar summary and I'm thinking about doing the same with the other pages where possible. Thoughts?--Hardvice (talk) 17:25, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Yeah, I agree. I really like that. I don't have any specific suggestions, though. However, I particularly enjoy your offbeat examples you give (Uluru's girlfriend, crackwhore, and airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow) which are always good for a chuckle. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 21:09, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Theory: Preponderance of Biblical Names

The preponderance of characters with Biblical names is something I noticed early on and has been mentioned in a few places, but only once here: powers are from a higher power. Would it be appropriate to create a dedicated theory article to the naming phenomenon? -- FissionChips 19:16, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

• Check out the faith and religion article. There's a bit of documentation on it there already. By the way, I like your name. hehe. (Admin 19:24, 4 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Well, there it is, then. I swear I looked first! I suppose for a theory page to be warranted for an identified similarity there would have to be a theory. (Thanks on the name. Stolen fair and square.) -- FissionChips 20:31, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Admin provided a great link. I think some theorizing beyond what is written as documentation on that page wouldn't be a bad idea. For instance, it would be inappropriate to put something like "Noah is named such because he is responsible for gathering evolved humans" on a main namespace page, but it would be great on a page like "Theory:faith and religion" or "User:FissionChips/name phenomenon". I'm curious to see what you come up with. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 21:15, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Characters not in portals

Hey Ryan -- neat trick. I added template:S1 and template:S2 to the new navbar subtemplates. They allow us to see a list of season one and season two characters separately. Should make it easier to figure out who isn't in the portals yet.--Hardvice (talk) 02:21, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

• Only now it's not working. Crap. It was working when I only had S1. Hmm. Lemme think.--Hardvice (talk) 02:22, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I don't get it--what was it supposed to do? Why wasn't it working? -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 02:35, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I had linked to a template from each of the subtemplates. That was supposed to make the what links here page of each fake template produce a list of characters by season. It worked perfectly with one template for season one (it only linked the season one characters), but as soon as I added the second template, everybody showed up in both lists. So I changed them to categories, which is probably better. Of course, everybody's sorted by first name in those cats, and adding sort logic defeats the purpose of making it all happen automagically in the navbar. Oh well. At least we have a list of season two characters now to compare against the portals.--Hardvice (talk) 03:37, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Oh, well....Regarding the autosort, I added {{DEFAULTSORT:}} logic to template:character box which is supposed to use the sort entered as the sort for any category on the page (unless another sort is specified for a particular category). It was working beautifully before, but it suddenly stopped working. I'm wondering, now, whether it's a bug that crept in with the upgrade. (Am I making any sense at all?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 03:43, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Hmmm. And everybody has a character box, and the key ones should have a {{{sortname}}}. Weird. Does this coincide with the upgrade? That would have to be my first guess.--Hardvice (talk) 03:47, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Actually, I went through and gave a sortname to everybody who needed a sortname. I'm not sure about the upgrade. Check out the sandbox--all the categories are sorting properly, event when the category comes through a template. I'm not understanding. I wonder if my code is wrong and I'm missing something, because right now, the sandbox is working, even when there is a cat through a template, and when the defaultsort logic comes through a template. Dunno, dunno. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 03:48, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Oddly enough, simplifying the code a bit seems to have fixed it (so far, I haven't looked too closely). That, or it was the unclosed includeonly. One of the two.--Hardvice (talk) 03:56, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
              • Thanks. And Category:Season Two Characters seems to be working fine now, sorting by last name. Nice work. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 03:58, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
                • I can't imagine why either of the two things I changed would make a difference, though. Oh well. BTW, when did we get a category for cheerleaders? It makes sense, but it still made me laugh.--Hardvice (talk) 04:01, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
                  • Sometime around Betty, Part 1's release. There were so many danged cheerleaders, I thought it could use a category. Cute, eh? By the way, when you add {{{sortname|{{PAGENAME}}}}}, does that act as an {{#if: }} statement? Give me the rundown on how that syntax works. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 04:03, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
                    • Basically, any time you use a variable, you can always pipe a default value to it. That's why a lot of the templates have the variables like this: {{{age|}}}. That defaults age to blank. {{{age|32}}} would default age to 32, and {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}} would default name to {{PAGENAME}}. If the variable is blank or not specified, it will use the default.--Hardvice (talk) 04:07, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Season Characters descriptions

Also: can you think of better descriptions for the characters by season categories? They don't sound quite right to me. What I was trying to get across was that season one characters have only appeared in season one, and season two characters have appeared (but not necessarily debuted) in Season Two. My brain is down for the count, though.--Hardvice (talk) 04:07, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

• Right, it took me a second to understand how the categories worked--for instance, I saw Nathan as a season 2 character, but not as a season one character. It took me a second, and a more exact name would be better. I can't think of anything that's short and succinct, though. I mean, "Characters unique to Season One" would work, I suppose, or "Characters last seen in Season One" works too, but they both sound clunky. I'm at a loss for anything better. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 04:19, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I labeled it "latest season" on the navbar, and that seems to work. Maybe some variant on that? "The following are characters whose latest appearance is in Season One"?--Hardvice (talk) 04:53, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I think the navbar wording is fine. (Great idea, by the way!) I think the lead description on the actual category page should probably use the wording you suggested above. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 04:56, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Re: Messages

Bigfoot Lover left you some messages on Bionic Wiki.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:49, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Extra Help in sections

• This might seem like a stupid idea but I'll present it anyway. I thought maybe that each section: characters, powers, production, fan creations etc. Each section could have one or two or however many needed be in charge of updating each page. Obviously one peron updating all characters would not work. It didn't work well for the Articles of Confederation either. So maybe we could have four or five people helping out more with updating characters, maybe two people updating powers. You get what I'm saying, right? And I don't mean AT ALL, not at all any person gets a sysop rank. That is totally not what I mean. But I think this idea, if you like it could really help get rid of stubs. Then if new web surfers stumble upon this site they won't see stubs all over the main characters. If it is something like Nissica, it isn't that big of a deal but Season One summaries I think should really be updated. The examples I used aren't really the exact ones I'm' proposing but something similar to that. See ya later! Jason Garrick 22:00, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Thanks for the suggestion, Jason, and no, it's not at all a stupid idea. I've actually thought the same thing. :) It's awesome that you're thinking of ways to improve the wiki, not only for yourself, but for new users and casual browsers. I really appreciate that you're also suggesting ways in which we can organize ourselves better. However, I have a few concerns with delegating certain types of articles to people which I'll share with you. We all have different styles of editing, and I'd hate to see all the fan creations, for instance, written in a particular style, and not edited by others. Also, I know that when I'm doing a bunch of character summaries, I tend to get really bored--I enjoy the fact that on any given day I might write a few summaries, create a new article about a place, add a theory about Uluru, update some portals, and top off the day by linking to a reference. I enjoy that I can edit any article I want. I also like that with a wiki, everybody has equal say in what happens. It doesn't matter if I'm a sysop, you're a long-time user, or somebody else is brand new, we all can edit and we all have an equal say in how the wiki shapes up. That said, a lot of us here tend to have "pet" articles we like to update. I'm a big fan of getting to character and actor portals. I know Ted C really enjoys tweaking powers pages until they're just right. Some people take great pride in starting pages about locations, and others are really great at new character pages. But I'm afraid of "assigning" types of pages to different people, if I'm understanding what it is you're suggesting. I say, if there are a lot of stubs and they're really bugging you, feel free to knock a few out. I hope that answers your question. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 22:18, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Character Stubs

• Obviously a lot of stubs on character eps are still to be tackled so am I allowed to copy and paste info from the synopsis epps in the episode page? or should I write my own summary about the characters part? For example: Noah has Lizards and Kindred stubbed. So can we copy and paste the synopsis info from the episode into his page? Lemme know. Otherwise tonight I'm probably going to watch the episodes again anyway. This is just so if more episodes are coming out and the stubs aren't being eliminated quicker I want new users and fans that might have missed an episode to quickly check out what happened. Jason Garrick 22:08, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
  • The episode synopses are generally too detailed for the character pages. What I generally do when I'm filling in a character page is copy the info from the synopsis, just to make sure I don't forget anything, and then trim it down so that it's more compact (and more focused on the individual character).--Hardvice (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Okay, thanks man! Jason Garrick 12:01, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, generally, I do the same thing. I use the episode summary as a resource to remind myself of what occurred in the episode. (I also might rewatch a certain scene, or I'll use the transcripts or screencaps to help jog my memory.) There's no hard and fast rule, but I personally don't think that a character summary ever needs to be more than two paragraphs long--three if the character is a main focus (like any of the Bennets in Company Man). -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 20:38, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

Haitian and Mohinder

• .. I thought the Haitian erased his memory, so Mohinder ended up with Bob and not knowing how he got there? :S --  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:26, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
  • There's actually no evidence of it happening, aside from the special effects. However, when Mohinder's talking to Bennet on the phone, he seems to recall the plan put in place.--Bob 13:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Read The Crossroads. There's pretty strong evidence to suggest that Mohinder "not knowing how he got there" with Bob is part of the whole setup to get the Haitian to Costa Verde. Sure it's possible Mohinder was mindwiped, but there's simply nothing that concretely says it (and I'm tending to believe that he wasn't). -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 13:42, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Okay. I don't read the Graphic Novels - maybe I should - so didn't know that. So you're saying maybe Mohinder willingly pretended that he didn't know how he got there with Bob? But how would that get the Haitian to Costa Verde? Maybe I'm being thick here, and if so, I'm sorry... --  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  13:45, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • It's explained in The Crossroads.--Bob 13:58, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Before the novel came out I figured his memory had been wiped based on the camera effect. If it hadn't then it was a peculiar choice of camera effect which seeming was done to convey a Mohinder's perspective of going from talking to The Haitian to suddenly talking with Bob. After the novel came out I remember questioning that original assertion. I'll have to read it again to see whether it's clear that Mohinder still remembered the encounter. If he didn't get his mind erased then it may have been a misunderstanding somewhere because the intended effect in the episode would be somewhat inconsistent with the graphic novel. Though I wouldn't want to try arguing whether an ambiguous camera effect in an episode trumps a graphic novel in terms of canonicity.  :) (Admin 14:04, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
      • They talk about the camera effect in the episode commentary quite a bit. I found it odd at the time that they chose to focus on how it was used to show the passage of time (with the sun going down and coming up) and not about the Haitian's mindwipe, which I also assumed was what was going on. But then Crossroads came out and it became clear that, at the very least, Mohinder didn't get his mind wiped immediately (since he has a conversation with the Haitian not seen in the episode) and likely not at all (there's certainly no mention of him doing it or preparing to do it and, well, a conversation he's about to wipe out seems kind of pointless). That, in turn, made me think back to the commentary, which now made sense. The visual effect is merely to show the passage of time, but it's intended to trick you into thinking he's been mindwiped. Then, when they reveal at the end that he's in league with the Haitian, you're supposed to gather that he hasn't been from the fact that he remembers enough about what happened to at least know that there was a plan, that the Haitian is on his way to Bennet, and that Bob fell for it. That's my take, at least.--Hardvice (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I agree. I think the peculiar camerawork was intended to trick the audience in a way that mirrors Mohinder's trick on Bob. In the end, for the purposes of our site, it's too ambiguous to say one way or another that his memory was erased. It's best to use likewise ambiguous language, like "Bob believed the Haitian erased Mohinder's memory" or "The Haitian was cured and his power was restored" or "Mohinder seemd to have no recollection of the conversation." -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 14:18, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

I play Cindy the Cheerleader on Heroes Zeroes

Hey Ryan,

I play Cindy the Cheerleader on Heroes Zeroes. I took my fist outta my mouth long enough to write this. Matt @ NBC said u might want to interview me. Luv to hear from u--Diana. PS- my myspace is myspace.com/hogwartsdetention. Heroes and Harry Potter fans alike, love u all!!

• Sounds interesting. Ryan, you up for it? :) (Admin 14:06, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Very interesting, "Cindy the Cheerleader"! I'm assuming you've checked out our article about Zeroes. I'd love to talk to you about the video and some other aspects of the production of the spoof. (One of my favorites, by the way.) What's the best way to contact you? I'll contact you on MySpace later tonight after work (from home, where I can access MySpace). Otherwise, you can drop me an email at ryangibsonstewart@heroeswiki.com -- that's probably the best way to get ahold of me. I look forward to speaking with you! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 14:11, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Hehe. Hey Diana. This is XanderGreenRanger28, the guy on youtube that asked you about the interview. So glad that you can do it! Uh Ryan, do you want to do the interview or do you want me. Cause Matt said he'll contact the other two leads to see if they want to do the interview also. So I'll wait for your consent. Wooo, tonights heroes!Jason Garrick 17:17, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Hey, Jason. I emailed Diana and I'm going to send her some questions a little later this week. I'm not sure it'll be a "full" interview, but certainly she'll have a lot of good information for us about Zeroes. If you'd like to do an interview, that's cool. I added a little section at this link for people to submit any questions they might have. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 17:37, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • If Jason's planning on doing a full interview then we could save the questions for him to ask instead. (Admin 17:52, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
          • Sounds right to me. Wanna take the lead, Jason? -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 17:55, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Yes sure! Um. I'll wait a week to see if the cast members are interested also and by that time I'm sure other people will have submitted questions. If they don't get back I'll just send the questions in a few days to Diana and post it on the Zeroes page. Also, if other production members of it DO want to answer questions, should we make another page for it?Jason Garrick 18:12, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
              • If you get responses from a couple of cast members and people involved in production, I'd personally say one article ("Interview:Zeroes") would be sufficient. I think it's better to have one strong article chock full of information than a couple of weaker articles--especially for such a minor part of the Heroesverse. -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 18:18, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
                • Yeah, so if I have 2 or 3 people I'd say one page would be fine. If only Diana wants to do it, I'll add it on another section of the Zeroes page. Jason Garrick 18:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
                  • Good plan. Let me know if you need any help. I'll email Diana later. If you want me to cc you on the email, send me your email address--mine is ryangibsonstewart@hotmail.com . -- RyanGibsonStewart (new comment) 19:24, 15 October 2007 (EDT)