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Integrating Story Arcs

  • I had some ideas on how we can integrate some information about the story arcs. One thing is that Season One is getting a bit unwieldy. Maybe we can break it into individual articles for the arcs (like [Season One:Are You on the List? or something) and summarize the arcs on the main Season One page. We can also use the arcs to break Portal:Episodes into subpages, which we'll have to do sometime soon.--Hardvice (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2007 (EST)
    • I love it! I've been wanting to do that since I first read about Heroes, even before I ever caught an episode. (Yes, I'm a latecomer to the show - I've actually still never seen Genesis all the way through.) I especially like the idea for the portal page - makes the most amount of sense there. As for the Season One page, I kind of like that it's a list of all the episodes, albeit a bit long (and growing). Splitting the eps is a bit of dangerous ground - it's not really canonical, and there's no guarantee that eps will continue in arcs as such ... But I say let's go for it - we'll cross problematic bridges as we come to them. I'm not opposed to changing the layout of Season One - just not sure it's the best place for it. Let's try it and see... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:29, 2 January 2007 (EST)
      • That's a good point, actually. Why don't we try it with the portal first and see how it comes out? Season One would give us a way to actually say something about the arcs, but you're right: there's no guarantee they'll continue with the arc format. That may be a better project for the off season.--Hardvice (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2007 (EST)
        • Yeah, I'm curious to see how it comes out... Sorry about suggesting something and then playing Devil's Advocate against it ... It must be the 30 hours I just spent in the car. Ugh. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2007 (EST)

References Split

Speaking of splitting portals, I was thinking the Portal:References might need to be split soon. Maybe a simple subcat like "Movies" or "Comics" or something. Too soon? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:29, 2 January 2007 (EST)

  • Maybe too soon to break it, but definitely not too soon to be thinking about it.--Hardvice (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Admin portal

  • Actually come to think of it the Archiving and Examples on Portal Pages discussions probably belong on Heroes Wiki:Community Portal, not the admin portal. My mistake. The admin portal is more for discussions that involve administrative decisions or require the attention of any non-specific administrator whereas the Community Portal is more for discussions that involve the community like archival decisions and number of examples we want to agree on for pages, etc. (Admin 15:44, 3 January 2007 (EST))

Merging articles

I don't think I would merge the Tyrannosaurus rex article with Hiro and the Dinosaur. When (if) the actual encounter occurs, we'll probably want to link to the T-rex article separately. --Ted C 15:45, 4 January 2007 (EST)

That's fine, I guess ... But the T-Rex article definitely needs to be cleaned up - not so much encyclopedic information, just Heroes-centric info. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2007 (EST)
How's the update? --Ted C 17:22, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Great job! I love that you pared it down basically to time and place - the only important things for the Heroes world. Nice! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:27, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Comic Book Guru Needed!

I understand you have a greater depth of knowledge about comic books than I do. Am I right that the image of D.L. outside the jail is referencing a comic book hero? I feel like there's a picture of Spider-man or Superman or Batman sitting in a similar fashion on a gargoyle, or on top of a building. I'd like to add it to references, but I'm not sure if it goes on Marvel Comics or DC Comics. Help! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2007 (EST)

  • There are covers with both Batman and Spider-Man in in this pose, but I'm guessing it's an homage to Batman #608 by Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee.--Hardvice (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2007 (EST)
    • Cool - that's where I'll include it, then. Thanks for the link, O CB Guru! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2007 (EST)


I just saw you pimped us out to users at some of the other (slowly dying) Heroes Wikis. Great minds think alike ... only mine more slowly than others.--Hardvice (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2007 (EST)

I'm so tacky, I know. I just feel badly for anybody who's killing themselves trying to keep up with a site that hasn't been updated for over a month - and we could really use some more strong editors. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:30, 7 January 2007 (EST)
Just dont try to pimp us at Wikipedia. I dont think they like our wiki too much. ;) Discussion here. Heh. Doesn't bother me, personally. Wikipedia's got a lot of pretention and self-rightiousness anyway that I wouldn't like being part of. (Admin 01:39, 7 January 2007 (EST))
Oh, I know. I get really disgusted with some of the discussions. ... Wow, I just reread some comments I haven't seen in awhile - seems like some pretty big chips on their shoulders. Hmmm. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:42, 7 January 2007 (EST)
I particularly like that they take us to task for not having an article on brains. Because, you know, that would be totally appropriate at a TV-show oriented Wiki. We need an article on brains like we need ... ah ... uh ... a hole in the, um, head, heh.--Hardvice (talk) 02:38, 7 January 2007 (EST)
Heh. One major flaw in their logic is that they're pointing out what this wiki does that's contrary to Wikipedia's policy when we're not Wikipedia! :) That's the reason the material's here and not there in the first place. There's no reason an external link to a wiki has to have the same policies as Wikipedia. They have a link to the 9th Wonders message boards and the material there is even more speculative and subjective than it is here! :) Personally, I just think they resent people contributing time here instead of on Wikipedia. ;) (Admin 02:49, 7 January 2007 (EST))
That's exactly what it is. I don't want to get into bashing (although it'd be easy to do), but it's just too bad when jealosies hinder progress. That's all ... But I will say this: Heroes Wiki has some of the most polite and genial contributors I've seen. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2007 (EST)
I agree. I've been very pleasantly surprised! :) (Admin 02:56, 7 January 2007 (EST))
Ultimately, I think it comes down to the fact that lots of wikipedophiles are bitter that MediaWiki is absolutely wonderful software for just about everything ... except objectively-verifiable encyclopedias. After all...--Hardvice (talk) 03:29, 7 January 2007 (EST)
  • Wait, there's more Heroes Wiki's? Heroe 11:29, 13 January 2007 (EST)
    • There are a couple of defunct Heroes wikis out there that aren't being maintained. Wikipedia also has some info on Heroes as well, but the information there is limited somewhat by the rules of an encyclopedia. I'd say this site is the most comprehensive and updated wiki. (Admin 11:52, 13 January 2007 (EST))
      • There are three others that I know of. Two of them haven't had any traffic since, well, the Recent Changes page doesn't even register, so I guess in at least 30 days. Heroespedia has a few stragglers (including Blackthir13en, who I wish would come back here...), but even the last post there is mine. There is an oooold discussion about the other wikis here. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2007 (EST)


  • You've never seen Genesis all the way through? Hardvice, how did we let this slip through the cracks... I'm sorry, but I just dont think you can be an admin if you haven't seen Genesis all the way through.... ;) (Admin 22:43, 7 January 2007 (EST))
    • Heh ... I started watching Heroes after the first marathon. I actually found Heroes Wiki so I could read the summary on Genesis. I think I've seen the whole thing in bits and pieces on NBC's site. But now, not seeing it is almost a matter of pride. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:45, 7 January 2007 (EST)
    • I would say we ought to revoke it, but I never noticed that Hiro invited Charlie to the Drafthouse ... that's my movie theater! ... so I have little room to talk.--Hardvice (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2007 (EST)
      • Not seeing an entire episode is totally different than not catching an obscure, heavily-accented reference to what could have been "Dracula" (RGS says pridefully). BTW, Drafthouse has no 24-hour Samurai marathons, right? Just RHPS midnight showings... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:10, 7 January 2007 (EST)
        • They run all sorts of special events (they do an absolutely wonderful MST3K-type show, and a heck of an Oscar party), but I don't recall a Samurai marathon this season. The best part of the theatre is the food-and-beer approach, but the shorts before the films are A+ too. Before Batman Begins they showed amazingly terrible episodes from a Filipino Batman TV series. Ah, Drafthouse, how I love thee!--Hardvice (talk) 23:18, 7 January 2007 (EST)
          • Sounds like we've got the lead paragraph to a new location article - anybody up for Drafthouse Theater? ... Sounds like a blast - there's not enough small cinemas left these days. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)


The timeline is making my brain hurt. I'm going to bed.--Hardvice (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Good find, though, on the receipt and the website! ... The timeline could be such a great resource. It really needs to be cleaned up and be made more user friendly. Admin installed an "Easy Timeline" extension (see here and here), but I can't figure it out for the life of me. I think it would be helpful - not in figuring out the dates (that's the truly hard part - thanks for your work on it last night), but in organizing the unruly page. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:19, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Sins against all that is good and holy, pt. 2

  • Ok, Genesis is one thing ... but no James Bond? That's just deviant (says the man whose cell number quite intentionally ends in "007".)--Hardvice (talk) 00:40, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • Heh. 007, what's that? (Kidding.) Funny thing about Bond - you'll die. So I was at my wife's grandparents' house a few years ago, and I saw a collection of James Bond movies - they have every one. Well, stupid me, I thought it was a television show. I was just so ignorant to who James Bond was.

      I actually included the James Bond note on my user page because I just decided today that I would go see Casino Royale. It looks awesome, has received great reviews, and I think it's about time to give in. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:45, 9 January 2007 (EST)

      • It is quite good, and there's not much backstory to trip you up since it's a prequel to the others.--Hardvice (talk) 00:58, 9 January 2007 (EST)
        • I'm really looking forward to it. I like Daniel Craig, and I think the premise seems cool - not too over-the-top. Plus, I hear Bond is naked in this one, so what's not to like? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Family Trees

  • Okay, I got an image-map one set up at Petrelli (disambig). Lemme know what you think. If the consensus is positive, I'll get cracking on the others.--Hardvice (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2007 (EST)
  • It looks fantastic! My two concerns (and I don't think there's much we can do about either):
  1. This looks fantastic for a full family like the Petrellis. When it comes to the Devereaxs, it'll just be a straight line from Charles to Simone. But again, not much we can do about that.
  2. This is really minor and nit-picky. Is there anyway to make only the pictures linked, and have the rest of the tree part unlinked? If not, not a big deal.
  • I think you've done a great job. Way to go! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:02, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • Hmmm. It's just an image, so it's linked just like every other image -- to the image page. There's one trick I can try to pull off ... lemme see if it'll work.--Hardvice (talk) 15:50, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • Yup. Worked fine.--Hardvice (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2007 (EST)
      • I know that was a minor detail, but it I'm impressed - what did you do? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2007 (EST)
        • I see Hardvice is deep at work making family trees, but it looks like what he did was (1) create a HTML <div> element that referenced the image using the Wiki format, and then (2) layered another <div> on top of it with the exact same width and height. The 2nd <div> does not have an anchor tag in it, so it does not act like a link, and thus makes the final browser rendering seem like a normal non-clickable background image. --Orne 18:24, 9 January 2007 (EST)
          • Hmmm. Greek to me! Could you tell me in Albanian - that might get it across a bit easier. :)

            Thanks for the info - actually that makes quite a bit of sense to me. I'm trying my best to learn the codes, and you're very helpful ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Utah, Lovely Utah

Hey Ryan, I'm re-upping the location images at 450x350. Any chance you've got a bigger shot of Image:Utah.JPG?--Hardvice (talk) 01:30, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Voilà! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:36, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Spam Alert

Deasnuts seems to be planting links to some "OWI" website all over the place. --Ted C 17:41, 11 January 2007 (EST)

The Joys and Perils of Airline Travel

So I'm back ... almost three days late. *Sigh*. I managed to pop in a couple times over the last couple days. Did I miss anything major?--Hardvice (talk) 23:55, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Welcome back - you were missed. Nothing too major, considering you're the main contributor here. A few things (in order particular no):
  1. There's some good discussion over at Women in Refrigerators (but I think you contributed to it).
  2. There's always a bunch of screencaps to get.
  3. The new graphic novel rocks - and apparently they're going to have a sneak preview before Heroes on Monday - what's that all about?
  4. I figured out how to make image maps - go me!
  5. Are you up for decoding some 1337?
  6. sigh Split personality needs some work.
  7. Did you notice Admin upgraded MediaWiki?
Oh, I don't know ... have fun exploring! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:05, 17 January 2007 (EST)
I saw that we can redirect to sections now ... that rocks!
Very cool. Part of the upgrade. I went and redid some of the NYC jumps. Others could be done, if you want.
What are the numbers on Recent Changes?
Net characters added/removed. Helps gauge the degree of change represented by the diff. Incidentally if the change is -500 or less it will apparently make it bold on the RC list as a way of alerting that a large amount of text was removed (potentially vandalism). (Admin 00:15, 17 January 2007 (EST))
+ and - bytes (or characters) — bigger numbers = bigger changes. Really big changes get bolded, I think.
Just finished Wireless Part 4 and I agree ... majorly interesting.
I'm really curious how they're going to integrate Hana into the show. I also like the idea of a 4-part GN - it allows for such greater character building. Plus, globe-trotter: Israel, Alaska, Tanzania, and ... Montana? Phew!
The image maps look great, and the article for the Homecoming paintings is really slick.
Thanks ... it's getting there... I'd like to add a bit more content. still. -
Any decision on the Character Box template update?
I think it's a great idea. I haven't gotten around to it. Parser codes are not my thing. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2007 (EST)

--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2007 (EST)


I rolled back the portal. The crazy noincludes actually do serve a purpose: when the portal is included on Category:Items, the images link to categories, not portals. If you're browsing by categories, you get categories, and if you're browsing by portal, you get portals.--Hardvice (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Right, gotcha (thanks for the catch and the explanation). Check Talk:Portal:Items - it's the only portal that's formatted like that. Should we do that for all, or just this one? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:15, 18 January 2007 (EST)
All of them that need it are already done ... Events, Items, and Places. The others either don't have subcats, aren't used on the Category page (Locations, Characters), or aren't divided like the portal (there's no Category:Crew, for example--GNcrew and Series crew are just under Production).--Hardvice (talk) 00:27, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Email address

  • Hey, Ryan. Check the email address in your profile and make sure it's where you want any emails I need to send you to go. I'm the only one who can see the email address. (Admin 18:53, 20 January 2007 (EST))
  • Also, check the email account you have in there currently. I sent you an email. (Admin 19:13, 20 January 2007 (EST))
    • Got your email and a reply should be in your inbox. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2007 (EST)


You're more than welcome for the help. If you'd like, I can edit out those watermarks? - Zenko

If you'd like to edit out the watermarks yourself, that's fine. I can take care if as well - doesn't really matter. The one that's going to be really tough is this one because the watermark is right there on Hiro. Ugh. The others can all be cropped. FYI, I deleted just a few that are duplicates (for instance, this and this will suffice). Great job, though. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2007 (EST)
I'll edit that tough one then. Edited and re-uploaded. You can crop the others if that's alright? -Zenko

Thank You

You probably don't hear this enough, but thank you for helping those of us who are imperfect! I really appreciate how you helped format the quote I added to the Godsend page. Many many hugs!! Disney42 00:55, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Hey, no problem - that's what we're all here for. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:58, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Portal Formatting

Hey Ryan—here's a quick rundown of the center formatting for portals, just FYI:

  • If there's a single item on an incomplete row, or if the number of items on a full row is divisible by the number of items on the incomplete row, the incomplete row can be centered using "colspan". Colspan says that a given cell should be (x) columns wide, and the link will center within the enlarged cell. If there's more than one cell, be sure to use colspan= on each cell. If the main table is 4 cells wide and the last row is 2, you can assign each of the two colspan=2 (or you can just put a blank cell before and after, which is easier).
  • If the number of cells is not evenly divisible, it has to be centered using a second table set in a row of the main table. When you do this, colspan has no effect, since it's always relative to the current table (i.e. the inset table, not the main table). Saying "colspan=3" in a table with only one row doesn't do anything, because it doesn't have a row to compare the column size to (you could just as easily say colspan=1000000 and the table would look the same). Instead, you have to adjust the width of the inset table using width=. Generally, about 2/3 of the width of the main table will do the trick, but it depends on how many cells are in the incomplete row. --Hardvice (talk) 13:27, 24 January 2007
So you're saying I should put colspan=1000000 on all my single row tables? (kidding)

Thank you so much. Those tables still get me - I can make them look okay, but it helps to know the details of how they work. I'll still have to play with it to get it down pat ... Thanks, Dave. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:36, 24 January 2007 (EST)

When I was learning HTML, what I found helps is to draw out the table as a grid. Any time you erase a line to combine two side-by-side, use "colspan". Any time you erase a horizontal line to combine two stacked cells, use "rowspan". Personally, I think it's easier to visualize that way than to count cells on each row. BTW, if you're looking for good HTML and CSS references, I highly recommend any of Molly Holzschlag's HTML books. For CSS, I really like Eric Meyer's Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide. Both are very accessible and excellent references which I rarely have out of reach.--Hardvice (talk) 13:50, 24 January 2007 (EST)
Oh, thank you. That's great information. I'll have to check those books out in my, um, free time. Thanks - you're a huge help. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:12, 24 January 2007 (EST)


  • Wow, Ryan, you're really on a roll today! Heroe 18:30, 25 January 2007 (EST)
    • lol - just trying to do some cleanup. Plus today was parent-teacher conferences, and not many parents show up in inner city schools, so I had a lot of extra time on my hands. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Cheer mate; the fate of the pictures is in your hand !! --FrenchFlo 18:38, 25 January 2007 (EST)

  • Haha, thank you, I'll get right on that unless someone did it. And good work today on your part, that recent changes thing changed FAST. --Riddler 18:51, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Re: Reuploading Images

Sure thing. I wasn't sure which to do but I'll remember that. --Mister Pine 00:19, 28 January 2007 (EST)


You linked to that comment about the number 9 on your list of things to do. I still haven't figured out anything significant about 9. Have you figured it out yet? Maybe we should start a fan creation page with a link to that comment and invite people to add anything they can think of about 9.--E rowe 16:17, 28 January 2007 (EST)

That's purely from 2 comments the writers made on interviews (also called "Behind the Eclipse") here and here. They said "9" would be significant to the show. Apparently, the number is tied to Hindu and Indian mythology. It definitely belongs in the theories category. As for examples, I guess there's 9th Wonders!, and Chapter Nine was quite a pivotal episode. Other than that, I'm stumped. I get the feeling, though, that there's a lot of unrevealed stuff still. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:31, 28 January 2007 (EST)
How do you create an article for it in the theories category?--E rowe 17:27, 28 January 2007 (EST)
It's pretty easy. To start a page, click on a red link. For instance, clicking on 9 will bring you to a new edit page. Then just start typing away! Make sure you check out Help:Style first to get some ideas of formatting and style standards. But if you don't get it correct right away, don't worry about it. Others will edit and help you out. :) As for making it part of the theories category, just type [[Category:Theories]] at the bottom of the page, and it will automatically be added for you. I'm going to be online for the next little while — if you need some help, just let me know. Good luck! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:01, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Re:Future episode information

  • I completely understand why future information shouldn't be included yet, but I wasn't referring to the future episode. The only reason why I included it on the timeline is because I was basing it off of what Mr. Bennet has already stated in the show (to Isaac in Seven Minutes to Midnight). Even though his story unlikely is what really happened, I felt that it was still a bit of historical information. Then after the future episode explains the true events, we could edit it later on. FlyingMan 10:16, 29 January 2007 (EST)
    • Hmm, that's a tough one. On the one hand, you're right, it is mentioned in an aired episode. On the other hand, Mr. Bennet lies ... a lot. Especially about Claire's birth parents. I think we might be meeting Claire's mom tonight, and I'm sure we'll have a lot more info then. Let's just wait until tonight, and see what comes of it. Thanks for the clarification. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Pass the baton

I'm going to bed. See ya!--Hardvice (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Heh, I've gotta go to work ... Have a good night's sleep! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Abandoned Refinery

I see that you've done a lot on the abandoned refinery page. How do you know it's a refinery and not something else?--E rowe 16:46, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I think it's actually an old oil derrick. Somebody else actually started the name. I think it's fine to call it a refinery, though - the point is it's abandoned. But feel free to change it if you find out more about it. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)
For one thing, you can't throw a stick in the area around Odessa without hitting an abandoned refinery or derrick.--Hardvice (talk) 16:53, 30 January 2007 (EST)