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Piping links to redirects

Quick question: I notice you have a to do item for piping characters last names. Why? Links to redirects are A-OK. That's what redirects are for. I've noticed a lot of people changing them, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth. We watch double redirects pretty closely. The only reason I can really think is that we might need a disambig page at some point, but how likely are they to introduce a second character named "Niki"?

I'm honestly just asking because I'd be more than happy to help if there's a reason, but it currently has me kind of baffled. There's nothing inherently wrong with a link to a redirect. (In fact, the other wiki I hang out at actually has a preference against piping links.)--Hardvice (talk) 23:46, 28 November 2006 (EST)

  • Thanks for your comment ... I'm kinda new to Wiki, and I just thought that's how it was supposed to be done. I'm glad to know that it doesn't have to be "correct" on each page... Plus makes my job easier! Thanks for staying on top of things! Ryangibsonstewart 23:50, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • Heh. I was just wondering since I've seen a lot of people doing it. I honestly thought maybe I was missing something, and if I was, then we need to change our Help pages, since they say links to redirects are fine.--Hardvice (talk) 23:53, 28 November 2006 (EST)
  • So, if I just changed "The Algorithm" to "The algorithm", I don't have to go and find every page that links to the previous formatting and change it? I can leave them all to redirect? ... Oh, thank heavens! Ryangibsonstewart 23:53, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • Yup! That's why I left all the redirects alone when we moved stuff back a couple weeks ago. Either The Algorithm or the algorithm goes the same place. Makes it much easier for both reader and writer!--Hardvice (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • The only one we'll want to change is Template:Research. That way, the self links will bold.--Hardvice (talk) 23:56, 28 November 2006 (EST)
      • Well, then while we're on the subject, did we ever come to a consensus on whether the second word should be capitalized or not? I mean, obviously for some (The Genesis Files, The Exterminator, The Haitian) the second words need to be capitalized. But do I have the "go ahead" to make others lowercase? Ryangibsonstewart 23:59, 28 November 2006 (EST)
        • On Admin's say-so, the rule as I understand it is to name it however works best in a sentence. Generally, this means that the second word should be lower case (since wikia ignores the capitalization of the first word, this means a link like "[[the algorithm]]" goes to The algorithm just fine, and that's how you'd use it in a sentence.) AFAIK, we're making an exception for certain articles which begin with "the", if they are effectively proper nouns (most notably, The Symbol). Personally, as long as there are redirects, I think either way is fine (The Symbol or The symbol). It's pretty much your call as to whether or not a "the" article is Deserving Of A Random Capital or not.--Hardvice (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2006 (EST)
          • Thanks for all your help ... By the way, what's the "etiquette" for responding to somebody's talk page -- do I just respond on my own page or on theirs or on both? ... Ryangibsonstewart 00:09, 29 November 2006 (EST)
            • There's no rule. I do both so a) they'll know I commented and b) I can refer back if I need to (my memory for conversations kind of sucks).--Hardvice (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Hey, Ryangibsonstewart. Check out the discussion I started at Talk:Brain_removed regarding liberal use of redirects. :) I think we need to reach a good balance between piping and redirecting. :) (Admin 00:35, 3 December 2006 (EST))

Adding a Talk Link to your Signature

Saw this in your to do list and thought I'd offer some help:

  • There are two ways to do this. One's very easy, the other slightly less so, but the second is more customizable.
    • Easier:
      1. Go to Special:Preferences
      2. In "nickname", enter [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]])
      3. Check "raw signatures"
    • More complicated
      1. Add a page for you signature, like User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig
      2. Format it however you want
      3. Go to Special:Preferences
      4. In "nickname", enter {{subst:User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} or whatever you called it (but keep the subst:)
      5. Check "raw signatures"

Prophecy Caps

  • Fries are up!--Hardvice (talk) 03:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • Seriously, you rock! No kidding, I just got chills looking at some of those pictures - it's eerie to see them side-by-side ... I'm heading to bed - I'll finish the gallery in the morning maybe. Thanks so much, Dave - it's good to have such capable and helpful people to work with! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yeah ... um, I couldn't wait (yes, I'm a big fat loser) ... They look really awesome! I'll work later on resizing and cropping and stuff... Thanks again! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 04:11, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Note re: Replaced Images

  • Just a note: if you ever need an old pic back (like the DL-phasing-through-the-wall one), go to the picture's page and click the timestamp next to the old image. It will load the old version. Just save it and re-upload it.--Hardvice (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2006 (EST)

Are we in England?

No, but I grew up there. Damn, I've been so careful about that so far. Now you know my terrible, terrible secret.--Hardvice (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2006 (EST)

image citations

  • Thanks for all the work you've put into tagging the images with copyright info. It's very appreciated. :) (Admin 00:45, 15 December 2006 (EST))

TOC

There's an option in your user preferences that says how many sections an article must have before the TOC appears.--Hardvice (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks for the tip. The pref is only for if there are three or more sections, but whatever. No big deal. Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:53, 16 December 2006 (EST)
Yup. And the Symbol has three sections, and the trigger is "more than three".--Hardvice (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Ohmyn0 iiiiss a power.

Whoops. I just wanted to put infoboxes in my profile. I completely forgot that it auto adds to the category. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 19:56, 17 December 2006 (EST)

Admin

  • Hey, Ryan. Are you interested in becoming an Administrator here? If so, we'd like to extend an invitation to you. (Admin 17:01, 18 December 2006 (EST))
    • Thanks, I really appreciate that! Yes, I'm interested. My concern is simply that I'm a little slow when it comes to some wiki-language. For instance, I can't make a template to save my life. I'm good at editing and have a pretty good sense of what belongs, etc., it's just I'm not as "tech-savvy", shall we say, as some others. But I'm interested. Let me know what it all entails. Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:33, 18 December 2006 (EST)
      • As time goes on you'll pick more and more up. :) We all had to start somewhere! Not everyone has to be good at everything. You've been a very consistent contributor and are around frequently so you're a good choice for an admin. When in doubt, feel free to ask me or Hardvice. For the most part be conservative when it comes to deleting things or banning people. Let articles nominated for deletion sit for a little bit to give people a chance to discuss it. If there's a troublemaker vandalizing only a couple pages, revert them and warn the user. If they keep it up, go ahead and ban them. That's pretty much the admin stuff here so far. :) I'll go ahead and add you now. (Admin 18:46, 18 December 2006 (EST))
        • Thanks so much - I appreciate the advice and tips. I'll do my best! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2006 (EST)
      • A couple other tricks:
        1. On differences pages and user contribs, there's a link to rollback edits. I personally don't use the link on differences since it doesn't let you provide a comment and it rolls back all sequential edits by the last editor, but the link on contribs is super useful if you get a mass vandal. Since you're using Firefox, you can just keep the tab with the contribs open and CTRL-click the rollback link for each of the vandal's edits. You can undo about an hour's worth of vandalism in about 3 minutes. Nothing is quite as disheartening to a vandal.
        2. If you move an article to an existing redirect, the history is moved, too (it shows up as moved "over redirect" in recent changes). If you get a move vandal, it works great, provided you work backwards through any moves. (You just have to delete the extra redirects when you're done).
        3. If you go to Special:Preferences and select "Mark edits I make as patrolled" on the editing tab, then you can use "hide patrolled edits" on Recent Changes and it will hide yours, mine, and Admin's edits. I still check everything (including my own) but this makes it faster.
        4. As for patrolling edits: if you click the "mark this edit as patrolled" link on a difference page (or a new article page), the red exclamation point will go away and the article won't appear in the aforementioned view on Recent Changes. Makes it easy to see what you've checked and what you haven't.--Hardvice (talk) 19:24, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Sports Book

A "sports book" is a place that takes bets on sporting events.--Hardvice (talk) 13:15, 20 December 2006 (EST)

  • Yeah, okay, so nobody ever accused me of having a sports-oriented brain. ... Thanks for the clear-up! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:16, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Can I borrow your brain?

Not in a Sylaresque way--just a couple questions:

  1. I got the portals all cleaned up so you can basically navigate the Category:Heroes portion of the site with them. The trouble is, I can't figure out how or where to link Portal:Portals so people can get into what I'm calling the "McDonald's cash register" mode. Ideas?
  2. See Category Talk:Plot Points#Standardize Plot Point image size?--Hardvice (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2006 (EST)
Okay, I just brain-dumped on the portal page - hope that helps.
Let me say how much I love the McDonald's Cash Register look of Portal:Portals! To answer you question, I think the best way to link it is a big ol' "portals" link on the main page. Maybe at the top or the bottom, something that says, like, "Welcome to Heroes' [sic] Wiki! Choose a topic." Then list the portals. And yes, I'm directly stealing this from Lostpedia's main page -- but it works!
Hope that helps... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:15, 20 December 2006 (EST)

Whew!

  • Three major projects in one night. That's teamwork for you!--Hardvice (talk) 01:33, 21 December 2006 (EST)
    • Way to go! You did most of it - I took care of my kid while you did all the work. Great job, Dave! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:34, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Images

While we're talking images, can you pull up this one (if the site is working) and upload it? I'm at my mom's and her Internet is, uh, cranky. It likes to randomly ignore sites, so I can't tell if the site is bad or if it's just my connection.--Hardvice (talk) 02:24, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Great pic. Will do. Tell your mom hi. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2006 (EST)
How big is it available?--Hardvice (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2006 (EST)


Happy Holidays ... what'd I miss?

Hey Ryan! I'm back from my mom's, AKA the Land of Broken Internet. Anything big happen while I was gone?--Hardvice (talk) 00:33, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Jessica's gun

When you get to the article, her gun is an HK P2000. It might be the subcompact, but I think it's the standard.--Hardvice (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Graphic Novel Characters Portal

Any thoughts on creating a portal for graphic novel-only characters vs. adding them to Portal:Minor Characters? I have no strong preference, but suspect that it might look nicer to have photos separate from illustrations, and we can add a link to Portal:Graphic Novels. Also, while we're on the subject, should they have a subcat of Category:Characters?--Hardvice (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I thought about a separate portal for graphic novel-only characters, but it's hard to make a distinction. Really, our only GN characters are Hana, her mother and grandmother, Mohinder's grandmother, and the money launderer. Well, Hana will soon become a real character it seems, and the money launderer is really just the title for an unspecified character. I'm not sure having a separate portal is the best way to go - although, I agree with you that the comic book pictures look a bit out of place in the regular character portal. I also don't really have a strong opinion. If I had to go one way or the other, I'd probably meld the GN and regular character together, but I think that might be because I kind of place a higher canon status on the GNs than most. But I digress (as usual). As for the subcat, I think that's a good idea - we have a subcat for unnamed characters, so why not one for characters only seen (thus far) in the comics? What do you think (about both)? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:31, 29 December 2006 (EST)
I went ahead and split out the GN characters to see how it looks and I kind of dig it. Plus, there are others we can add: Eden's folks, the detective who interviews D.L., Chandra's boss the Russian violinist at the cab company, Sheila (the girl Nathan rescues), and probably more. We can always move Hana once she shows up. I like the subcat, too, but haven't done it yet.--Hardvice (talk) 00:42, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Pages You'd Like to See

Artwork Redirects

What do you think about having the resized artwork (Image:Exploding man artwork.jpg, the resize prophecy paintings, etc.) redirect to the fullsize artwork (e.g., Image:Painting burning man.jpg, etc.)? That way, if someone clicks on a thumbnail for the smaller, resized, (incomplete) picture, they will be taken to the full pic. Thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:13, 29 December 2006 (EST)

  • Good idea. Two ways to do it: 1. Make the image page a redirect. Sloppy, but easy, and the copyright info should be the same. 2. Adjust the template for prophecy to link to the images like the portals do. More work initially, less maintenance.--Hardvice (talk) 20:49, 29 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yes, I like the template idea ... however, I'm not quite sure how to do it. The other issue with changing the template is that it doesn't cover all uses of the picture. For instance, Image:Painting prophecy sylar jackie.jpg is used on the prophecy page, as well as brain removal and power mimicry (because it shows just Jackie dead, or just the part Peter painted), but should link to the full size picture. And then there's the case of Image:Missing painting items.jpg and other pics used in the portals or as lead article pics that should redirect to the full size paintings... My gut says to do it "the messy" way - I don't think it would be a bad way to do it. What exactly are your concerns?

      While we're on the subject, what's going on with the prophecy page? I know you said both have their issues, but that you preferred Orne's prophecy/test over prophecy/test2. I agree. Should we change the page? Do we want to solicit some feedback?

      Thanks for lending me your ear (um, eye)! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2006 (EST)

      • I hadn't thought about the other uses of the prophecy images. That makes the redirects option more attractive. The only possible problem is that we have to remember 1)to set up redirects for new images as they are added and 2)to keep up with redirects if the full-sized images are moved, renamed, deleted, etc. We pretty much always check "what links here" when we move or delete things, so #2 shouldn't be a problem, and #1 is not much worse than what we'd have to do with the template. I say go for it. (PS: if you run into problems with the redirects "not working", hit CTRL+F5. Firefox likes to cache short pages like image pages, so when I did the images for Portal:Places as redirects, I thought the redirects weren't working until I cleared my cache.)

        As for Prophecy: I like Orne's version better because there's no way to make my version work 100% of the time on different browsers, resolutions, etc. The only problem with Orne's is maintenance: if we need to insert an image halfway down the page, we end up having to adjust all of the template calls after it manually up. It just occurred to me that we can maybe do this more smoothly by making the left and right columns separate template calls ... it'd still be bad, but at least we could cut and paste more easily. Let me work on it a bit and see if I can come up with a more maintenance-friendly version, and then we can go with Orne's or a version of it.--Hardvice (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2006 (EST)
        • Redirects: Thanks for the warnings. I don't think it'll be too much maintenance, but maybe I'm being short-sighted. I'll get on the redirects later tonight (I have some deadlines before 12/31 - ugh.) And thanks for the tip about Firefox - I'm still not at home, and am using random computers while on vacation. Double ugh.

          Prophecy: Thanks for all your work. I don't think we're going to have too much maintenance to do on it. Check out the screencaps page before you get too into it to see if any of those unused pics should be used. I think after that it should just be the pics we already have, plus ones we'll add on the end. Again, thanks for all you do! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:34, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Prophecy Article

Take a look at Prophecy/test2. It's basically the same as Orne's, but I split each pair of paintings into a separate template call. That should make it easier to move one column without affecting the other. What do you think?--Hardvice (talk) 23:12, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Man, your talk page is getting long ... must be the end of the year!
Okay, it looks great. A few concerns - the captions go beyond the pictures to the left and the right to the point of being a bit distracting. Not that big of a deal, but if it can be fixed ... Also, I wish there was some way to either put a dividing line down the middle, or better yet, put just a little more space between the two sides. That way it wouldn't read like it was four paintings that have to do with each other, but rather 2 columns for the paintings and a 2 for the comics.
I hate to interject this now, but I'm beginning to rethink something (don't beat me up). The 9th Wonders prophecies are kind of, well, complete now, aren't they - I don't think they're going to reappear anymore. But Isaac's paintings, I'm sure, will crop up many more times this season and the next, ad nauseum. The two sides are going to be very lopsided. Is this the best way to do it? I know you guys have done tons of work on this, and I'm not saying we definitely should abandon what you're doing. But I don't know - what are your thoughts? (Clear my mind, man, clear my mind!) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Hmmm. We could make a different page (or a different section of the page) for prophecies in 9th Wonders!. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of seeing more later, but you're right, it's never going to be as big as the painting side. What other ways are there to organize the page?
  • We can make it a category and have a different page for each episode (ugh)
  • We can split it into two distinct articles (Prophetic paintings and Prophetic drawings) and make Prophecy into a pseudo-disambiguation page. (hmmm...)
  • We can make separate sections on the page for each episode and for the comics. Still long, but navigable at least.
  • We can delete the whole wiki and become Power Puff Girls fanboys instead. (maybe not...)
As for the existing layout, any of those can be done (a dividing line, more space, narrow captions). It just takes a little adjustment.--Hardvice (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2006 (EST)
You crack me up. I say go for sections. It's nice to have everything on one page (albeit one long page), especially since the message boards seem to reflect that it's cool to see everything in one place. Reduce the clicks, lengthen the ... length. PowerPuffGirlsFanboy (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Sections also has the advantage of not requiring us to monkey with a template, and it makes the page navigable with a TOC. The question is: how do we break the sections down? I'm guessing by episode, but which episode--the painting's appearance or the realization? My vote is the former, since that's the order of the columns, but either works.--Hardvice (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Funny: I would vote for the realization. I guess it doesn't really matter, so long as it's consistent. Minor point, easy to change if needed. Go for the first appearance if that's easier. Can I help in any way? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Prophecy links to paintings

Just tried out the redirects on Prophecy. Works a charm -- great job! Should we note in the article that you can click a painting to see a larger view?--Hardvice (talk) 01:50, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Good point. I'll make a note right now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:46, 30 December 2006 (EST)