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Name

There are discrepancy in the Name of Hana GitTelman there's an extra T in the Part two of the Wireless Graphic Novel. We won't Find out for sure till the Show starts. ~ Red Jan 4, 2007 4:49PM (EST)

  • Considering they also misspelled 'Mossad' in that blurb, my money's on "Gitelman", but we'll know soon enough.--Hardvice (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2007 (EST)
    • Gotta love NBC - they're flawless! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2007 (EST)
      • I suspect this is Aspen. Back in my comic selling days, I used to just cringe at some of the typos they'd come out with.--Hardvice (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2007 (EST)
        • So far the Gittelman in the Graphic novel is still spelled with double TT.
          ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 16:31, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
          • There's an argument to be made that "Gittelman" is correct; however, a caption on NBC.com is about the worst evidence you can provide. They screw up so frequently that the fact that they spell it with two T's makes me more convinced it's spelled with one. Among their errors to date, they've confused D.L. with the Haitian and spelled Niki with two K's. They're about as far from a reliable source as you can get, and definitely not a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
            • Well they spell Gabriel Gray with an A instead of an E does that mean their wrong? They corrected Deveaux and I don't recall seeing them having mixed DL with SED are you sure your not mixing it with a fan posting? also they spelled Bennett with a double T so which cannon are you following?
              ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 15:13, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
              • The only canon source is a broadcast episode or the graphic novel, period. A caption for the scene at the end of Hiros said "D.L. Hawkins -- Mr. Bennet's cleaner". It was rather famously mocked, and yes, I saw it myself. "Gray" is spelled with an "A" on-screen (see the window of Gray and Sons). "Bennet" has been spelled with a second "T" exactly once--in the closing credits for Lyle's name. Since the credits are not the episodes, the episodes (which have always spelled it with one T) are correct. While we're at it, "canon" is spelled with two n's, not three. A "cannon" is a big gun. A "canon" is a body of work which is formally recognized.--Hardvice (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
                • If your Following the Graphic Novel, then GiTTleman is the Right Answer; since it has been USED/Spelled more than once in the Novels in that manner than a Single T. How's that CaNNon blasting your ideas? ^_^
                  ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 16:44, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
                  • No, that only happened once. All the other times it has been spelled with one "T". Heroe(talk) 19:09, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
                  • The canon sources contradict one another, so it can't really be confirmed one way or the other. I've redirected Hana Gittelman here, but we shouldn't bother moving the article because 1) neither is confirmed, 2) both are used quite a bit, 3) this was the first spelling used, and 4) this spelling is used consistently throughout the site. I've also made the note less explicit. Incidentally (and it doesn't really affect much since it's also not a canon source), all of the Heroes 360 content, including her profile on primatechpaper.com and her Mossad file, use "Gitelman", as did the Heroes Interactive for Company Man)[1].--Hardvice (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
                    • Great points. Also, without going back and checking, I think it was only written "Gittelman" one time in the actual illustrated part of the graphic novel. The other incidents, if I recall correctly, all occurred in the text written before the illustrations. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
                      • Just to beat the dead horse a bit further:
Graphic Novel Intro Text Novel Text
Wireless, Part 1 n/a "Gitelman"
Wireless, Part 2 "Gittelman" n/a
Wireless, Part 3 "Gitelman" n/a
Wireless, Part 4 "Gitelman" "Gitelman"
How Do You Stop an Exploding Man, Part 1 n/a "Gitelman"
Family Man n/a "Gittelman"
War Buddies, Part 1 "Gittelman" "Gittelman"
War Buddies, Part 2 "Gitelman" n/a
War Buddies, Part 3 "Gittelman" n/a
That's 3 "Gitelmans" and 4 "Gittelmans" in the intro, but 1 "Gittelman" and 3 "Gitelmans" in the body of the novels. Not that it matters, but "Gitelman" is still more prevalent than "Gittelman", particularly if you don't count the intros.--Hardvice (talk) 00:54, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
It's actually 2 "Gittlemans" and 3 "Gittelmans" in the body of the novels. neigh (cough cough)RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Power

She does a one-armed pull up in the comic. Is it too big of a stretch to claim she has super strength? I guess she could be levitating slightly.

  • I'd say definitely a stretch. :) Many very fit people can do one-armed pull-ups. We just need to wait a little bit before worrying about her power, I'm sure it'll become clear either in subsequent graphic novels (since we see her in part 1 of 4) or when she's introduced on the show itself. (Admin 14:59, 29 December 2006 (EST))
  • By the look of the comic she has been doing a lot of training over a long period of time. If she were super strong then I think she'd be beyond that - she just seems super dedicated to me. --Joshtek 15:12, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Name that Power

  • Well, now we know what she can do. What the heck do you call it? She can perceive electronic communications, but she can also send them, so something like "Communication (or transmission) perception" doesn't tell the whole story. "Electronic communication" covers both sending and receiving but isn't very clear. Any ideas?--Hardvice (talk) 04:41, 2 January 2007 (EST)
  • "Technovoyance"? Nope. This one is hard to name. "Electronic Data Perception" perhaps? --Ted C 12:08, 2 January 2007 (EST)
    • I kind of like "Technovoyance", though it's not really technological clairvoyance. EDP works, but also makes no mention of the "send" side of the equation.--Hardvice (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2007 (EST)
      • With "technovoyance", I was shooting for "view into the technological", but I didn't really feel that I hit it very well. EDP is the same idea in plainer language. --Ted C 12:26, 2 January 2007 (EST)
        • Something like "Human transceiver" gets across the send/receive distinction, but isn't very specific about what is received & transmitted. Maybe "Data transception"? That has the added advantage of pissing off the language purists since "transception" is comm industry jargon and is (*gasp*) not in the OED.--Hardvice (talk) 12:38, 2 January 2007 (EST)
          • Haha. I was thinking "transception" as well. Part of the problem to me is that I don't feel they've made it clear whether she only picks up wireless signals or whether she can sense wired signals as well. I'd suspect both, but the name of the novel is "Wireless" so I'm not sure. For now I personally like "Electronic data transception". (Admin 12:46, 2 January 2007 (EST))
            • Yeah, I was wondering that as well. But then I got to wondering how many signals are really purely wired. Almost everything except an all-wire LAN probably goes over a satellite somewhere. The one I'm wondering about is voice communications. It makes sense that if she can "perceive" emails, she should be able to hear voice signals, right? In either case, she still has to decode it. In any case, I agree: "Electronic data transception" covers all the bases we know without making too many claims about things we don't know.--Hardvice (talk) 12:50, 2 January 2007 (EST)
              • New page created. --Ted C 13:52, 2 January 2007 (EST)
            • If she's somehow picking up wireless transmissions then wouldn't it be more digital than electronic? Another question is how she knew it was Thompson. Unless he signed his message, it would only give his phone number and the name would be added by the phone on the receiving end, right? --Joshtek 16:50, 2 January 2007 (EST)
              • I believe "electronic" is more vague which is what we need to be right now since we don't know the exact nature of her powers. Digital would imply she can't receive analog transmissions for instance. As for knowing it was Thompson, it could be that their phones send name information as well... or if not maybe her powers let her know the contact info on the phone. Or maybe she intercepted the electronic transmission of the text from the phone to its display. Much too little info right now to know for certain. :) (Admin 17:02, 2 January 2007 (EST))
                • I'm not the biggest fan of "Electronic data transception", but that's okay. I have a feeling we'll have a lot more info with next week's issue. Might need to make a change then. We'll see! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:02, 2 January 2007 (EST)
                  • Ok, let's consider some other terms. There is "Electrocommunication" which is used by fish and some other animals to transmit and receive electrical signals. Other terms for this are Electroception and Electroreception. I like the idea of using a single word for Hana's power... and we can't assume her ability is limited to data. --Astro 08:16, 5 January 2007 (EST)
                    • Actually, I really like "Electrocommunication". Let's wait until next week and see if there's any elaboration on her power. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:07, 5 January 2007 (EST)
                    • I don't know about anyone else, but "electrocommunication" makes me think "electrocution", and I don't like the possible mis-reading/misunderstanding that might result. I like "transception" -- it seems to accurately describe what she does. All that's really in doubt is whether she's limited to wireless signals. --Ted C 12:17, 5 January 2007 (EST)
                      • Agreed. I also think we should limit it to data for now, since that's all that is confirmed. Anything else is speculation at this point.--Hardvice (talk) 13:28, 5 January 2007 (EST)
                        • I think Electromagnetic it's better than electronic. Radio signals are electromagnetic fields after all. --Unaiaia 14:13, 5 January 2007 (EST)
                          • There are some really cool ideas here, and great discussion. Let's hold off on speculating whether or not Hana uses electromagnetism, or whether it's just data, etc. until we find out some more info. Afterall, we still have two more Hana-centric graphic novels, right? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Actress Portrayal

Does anybody think that Jessalyn Gilsig looks like Hana? (heh heh) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2007 (EST)

  • I doubt she'll be playing Hana, based on the other spoilers.--Hardvice (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2007 (EST)
    • I've seen previews on NBC with Mischa Barton as Hana. She has the two marks that Ted and Matt have. They are more on the front of her shoulder than the back like the other two. --Super Hiro 19:04, 19 January 2007 (EST)
      • Not sure it's Mischa Barton yet. Need to wait for some kind of confirmation. People are saying it looks like her, but I don't think anyone's confirmed it yet. (Admin 19:16, 19 January 2007 (EST))
        • While I agree it looks a lot like Barton, the prevailing rumor now is that the actress's name is Stana Katic. She had a role on "24," and after looking at her photos on both her site and on IMDb, I'm almost certain it's her. Also, Wikipedia is confirming her as the actress playing Hana, although they didn't offer a source. I'm going to add her as the portrayer. --ZyberGoat 13:15, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Changed photo

I changed the character photo to a screencap from the preview that ran during "Deal or No Deal." Since I think the scene was a clip from an upcoming episode (though we can't really be certain), the actress should be the same. Does anyone have a problem with this? If so, feel free to change the photo back to the comic frame capture. --ZyberGoat 12:34, 23 January 2007 (EST)

I think it's a good change, thanks! Real character pictures should take precedence over comic pictures particularly in the inbobox. (Admin 12:38, 23 January 2007 (EST))

Portrayal, Part 2

Somebody put that Stana Katic portrays Hana. Has this been confirmed - I thought it was still speculation. The only "definitive" info I could find was this, and it's not very definitive. I would remove the portrayer for now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Even Wikipedia still says its Stana... and incorrect info like this usually gets cleared off of there pretty quickly. I'm in favor of leaving it because I have a feeling it's reliable, but I wish I could back it up with a very good source. Google shows a number of sites reporting Stana as Hana, but I don't see anything as definitive as an NBC press release or anything. :) (Admin 17:04, 23 January 2007 (EST))
It seems like the best evidence I've been able to find are just fans of 24 who recognize the actress. heh (Admin 17:05, 23 January 2007 (EST))
I should have read the history first, didn't realize someone had already tried. I'm sorry. --Riddler 02:31, 24 January 2007
NBC has confirmed that it is indeed Stana Katic. (Admin 13:09, 24 January 2007 (EST))
Cool, let's keep her on then. (For the record, I thought she was laughable on 24 - I hope she's much better as Hana.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:23, 24 January 2007 (EST)
For the record, I think 24 is one of the worst shows on television, but then again I barely made it past the "big scary cougar cliffhanger/sudden unexplained memory loss" in season 1. When people told me season 2 was even worse, I gave up. I have it on DVD and haven't bothered to watch it.--Hardvice (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

<sigh> When is she going to appear in a episode!!!!!????--The Empath 20:24, 3 February 2007 (EST)

  • Episode 16 (Unexpected). Three more weeks.--Hardvice (talk) 22:31, 3 February 2007 (EST)

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hanantha? How Do You Stop an Exploding Man?

I'd like to move Hana over to one of the live-action portals now that she's appeared ... it creeps me out having one live action picture in with a bunch of comic shots. However, I don't think we have a really good feel for how big of a role she will be once she actually premieres on the show. Any ideas?--Hardvice (talk) 17:08, 23 January 2007 (EST)

I would actually leave her as a GN character only, since, well, she still is. I'd change the pic on the GN Character portal to the illustrated one. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2007 (EST)
This is my favorite heading for a discussion topic EVER! I'll be humming this all day, thanks! --AverageMan 10:17, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Marked Neck Image

  • Just keeping this handy for when she finally appears in the episode. Image:HanaGitelmanMarked.jpg --Orne 16:32, 26 January 2007 (EST)
  • The animated mark seems to be located in a different place than the human actor mark. Possible continuity error? Disney42 13:34, 24 February 2007 (EST)
    • Many of the graphic novel artists base their drawings on screencaps and previously aired scenes. However, the scene from Unexpected may not have been aired when Wireless, Part 4 was released, or Micah Gunnell may not have had access to the screencaps. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:18, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Heroes 360

  • Are we going to pull some of the information off her dossier, Mossad file and other potential spoilerish implications? Bkdelong 08:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)
    • Probably not to include in her character page (we just don't know how well Heroes 360 will fit in with the canon material, given NBC.com's lousy track record for making mistakes), but it would be appropriate in the Notes section. Most of the photos, links, and information from her dossier is in the primatechpaper.com article if you want to add links here. Of course, anything too spoilerish should remain in the Heroes 360-specific article or in a Category:Spoilers article.--Hardvice (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Number of episodes

How many episodes is Hana supposed to be in? Heroe 20:26, 22 February 2007 (EST)

  • I'm not sure I've ever seen anything that says. I hope it's for quite awhile -- she's a pretty kick-a** character. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2007 (EST)


Godsend?

According to the IMDB she was also in Godsend. What? Are they full of it again, or did we overlook something?

  • Didn't you see her? She was in that scene with Sean Bean as Sylar.--Hardvice (talk) 06:18, 2 March 2007 (EST)
  • she was in a mini clip that aired before Godsend, which was then re-aired before Unexpected which was her first "real" appearance
    • Yes but it aired a half hour before Godsend, in the middle of another show. That's hardly an appearance in the episode.--Hardvice (talk) 23:05, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Notes

Shouldn't the link to the concerned GNs in the notes section be like this (Graphic Novel:Family Man) insteand of (Family Man) ? What's the standart for this ? -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:19, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Plot Device

It occurs to me that Hana has huge deus ex machina potential for the writers. Since she is monitoring the Company's communications (and now the Linderman Group's, as well), it's safe for the writers to assume that she has learned about any upcoming crisis (for one of the Heroes) in time to intervene. Need someone to pull a Hero's butt out of the fire? Hana to the rescue! Not that we've seen them rely on this plot device, but they've given themselves a pretty easy out if they write themselves into a corner. --Ted C 16:22, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Is she really dead?

I realize the GN was called "The Death of..." but unless I'm misinterpreting it, she is chatting with Micah after she dies. Are you really sure you want to mark her as dead? Maybe her power gives her some ability to "live on" electronically? --AlanK 01:35, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Jason Badower confirms that she's really dead. So does Aron Coleite. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:48, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure what it is that allows her to "live on" electronically (it may be the satellite virus or her own power), but Hana is actually dead -- physically dead, that is.--Ice Vision 10:56, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite talk about her a little in the latest CBR Q&A. The question was about how the virus can infect her body but not her consciousness, but the answer may as well answer how she can "live on" electronically: "When you tell me how a woman can intercept and emit wireless communication with her brain, I will tell you how a virus can affect her physical body." ... They also say that she might "pop up" every once in a while. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
        • She might "pop up"? Sort of like the ultimate "spyware"... So Hana lives on as an X-10 ad? I guess I'll need a new pop-up blocker. :) --AlanK 20:36, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
        • Why am I imagining a 'good' version of Cabal from the Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun PC game? the Digital Hana learns how to create live-streaming video that looks like her physical self, but is really using some sort of CG like thing, (Maya, 3D Studio Max, Lightwave, whatever Stargate digital use for the CG shots in Heroes...)...--Alex mcpherson 79 17:33, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Hana's Appearance in Shang-ri La

Just wondering here, but wasn't Hana talking to Traveler in the GN from the computer? And since that GN focuses heavily on delivering Hana message to Drucker, shouldn't it have its own section in the Character Appearances for the character?

  • So far, an appearance (on the list of character appearances by graphic novel) has only been when a character actually appears, meaning you can see them. For instance, Thompson sent Mr. Bennet a text message in Wireless, Part 2, but we didn't consider that an appearance. Bob has phone conversations with Noah and Elle (Normal Lives and Hana and Drucker's Plot Discovered respectively), but we didn't count that message as an appearance, either. Sometimes, characters even appear in photographs (Snapshots), but those aren't appearances either. I personally don't think Hana appeared in The Last Shangri-La, but I can see where you're coming from. I suppose we could open it up for discussion, but my gut says to not count it--a message (even from a disembodied character who "lives" within cyberspace) is not an appearance. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:31, 31 January 2008 (EST)
    • Oh, sorry, I made a mistake when I proposed a section for her. I accidentally implied a section for her in the List of Character Appearances by Graphic Novel, but what I meant was to add a section in her Character History for the Shang-ri La GN, since Thompson's text message in Wireless was given a mention and Noah's phone call was also mentioned. Just a misunderstanting. -- Ericcarner
      • Oh, yes, you're correct--she should have The Last Shangri-La mentioned in her character history. It must have somehow been overlooked. I'll take care of that now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:30, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Um okay..

This page has had more views that Matt Parkman. Nearly 20000 more. I sure as hell don't understand. Anyone?--Steely McBeam - (talk) 14:26, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Probably 'cause it's tougher to follow Hana through her limited episode appearences, her many graphic novels, and a buttload of Evolutions stuff. Matt Parkman's easy to understand, on the other hand. XD -Whizzles 15:50, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Time Error?

I just read through the "Wireless" series again and I noticed what I can only conclude to be a kind of major timeline error. Noah Bennet recruits Hana in 1997, as is outlined by the Setting Box, and yet he's wearing his horn-rimmed glasses. Last time I checked he started wearing those glasses 6 months before season 1, so April of 2006. Why would he need them in 1997? --Kooliki 02:01, 17 January 2010 (EST)

    • I honestly, have no idea, but imagine if its, like a reference to Superman! You know, hiding his identity with glasses? I'm not sure. Hahahaa. --Scorvi12 02:36, 17 January 2010 (EST)
      • Firstly, it was around 2003 when he started to wear his glasses, when Claire was 13. Secondly, the Graphic Novels are almost always like a story from one of the characters. Generally, when someone tells a story about someone and imagines them, they'll imagine that person's present self. The most recently Hana had seen Noah was when he was wearing his glasses, so that's what she'd imagine he looked like in her storytelling. --mc_hammark 08:11, 17 January 2010 (EST)

Okay, okay, good call, I guess technically it was around 2003 when he got all blinded by the light and such. The character perspective thing sounds like a bit of a stretch to me, but it's reasonable enough to do.--Kooliki 20:31, 17 January 2010 (EST)

  • Or it could just be a simple mistake...not a major timeline error. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:07, 17 January 2010 (EST)
    • Haha I suppose 'major' was a twitch harsh.--Kooliki 22:15, 17 January 2010 (EST)
      • Although in the bit where they go to the mountain focuses a bit on his glasses. I suppose it would be a possibility that her recruited her in 1997 but didn't actually start testing and that for a few years, and by that time he had his glasses. --mc_hammark 05:32, 18 January 2010 (EST)

MQ

Does Hana (and others) need a stub for memorable quotes? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2015 (EDT)

  • No, she doesn't even need a page in my opinion. But there was no heading for the quotes, so the page would never be found from her page. I put a stub there to remind myself later when I had time to add a couple of quotes to her page and then the link would be appropriate. ~~IHHTalk 11:35, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
    • Gotcha. That makes sense. Let's just delete her MQ page. Anybody opposed? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:01, 9 September 2015 (EDT)