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when did this guy apeaer?--Skywalkerrbf 05:46, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

He's only appeared in photos so far. --Ynni 07:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Bit of a godmod power dontcha' think?

Creating black holes, Ooer... -- (. .') 04:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I'm hoping there's something to this power we're missing, and it's not like "dun getz me mad cuz i kin sux ur matter n lite, k?" Maybe it's like the Marvel Villain "Spot", who can throw little cartoonish holes where ever he pleases. (See Spot)

I hope that as soon as his graphic novel is released we get a clear name for his power. Therequiembellishere 03:14, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

He is not like "Spot"

He is far different. If you wish to know more i`ll be happy to say. Thanks.

Nicknames

The reference to being called "Big Bad" or "Vortex" should not stay unless it's referenced. If the producers call him that, we need to see a source. I don't really care about it right now while it's a spoiler page, but once it moves into the main namespace, the nickname will be removed unless it's referenced (or used on the show, of course). Even if it's referenced, I'm not so sure the producers' nickname for a character belongs on the page. The nicknames have always been in-world nicknames for the character, not out-of-world nicknames. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

'black holes' over 'matter obliteration'

I'm in favour of his power being 'black holes' over 'matter obliteration' at this point, particularly because the press release pretty much states that's what it is. --Matchu 16:42, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

We are to wait until confirmation of the tracker which should be coming in the next few days. Therequiembellishere 16:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
If we're gonna "wait" then his power should be "unknown". Oh and the source is located on his page... --Matchu 16:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I was asking for a source for matter obliteration. On the other hand, your source describes a description of his power but doesn't name it. The tracker should be available soon so we should wait. I don't know the policy on unknowns, we didn't do it for Angela and we're not doing it for Kaito or Arthur. Therequiembellishere 16:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
Kaito/Angela etc were different because it was unknown whether they had a power. Also, I have no source for "matter obliteration", someone just edited it in and claimed a friend told them --Matchu 16:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
No, they've told us several time that they both had (in Kaito's case have) a power. Yet we still list it as "None". I believe this is because we ask for their known power and if it's unknown, then they have no known power. Yeah, that's what I meant about asking for a source. Therequiembellishere 17:05, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
I would say that an interview saying "yeah they something" is different from an official press release saying "this ability does this". --Matchu 17:09, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
After hearing several official interviews saying "Angela and Kaito both have a power" are canon enough. And a graphic novel doing everything but blatantly telling us that Arthur has a power is canon. Therequiembellishere 17:17, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
This is a spoiler page, so it doesn't really matter too much what goes on the page, so long as it's from a published source. Once Canfield makes an appearance in any source (an episode, a graphic novel, an assignment tracker profile), we will move this page to the main namespace and remove any spoiler information. That includes his power, which will be changed to None. Once he demonstrates a power or his power is somehow confirmed in a source (e.g., he demonstrates it in an episode, it's listed in his AT profile), we'll change it. AT will list the name, an episode probably won't. We'll cross the naming bridge when we see it revealed.

In the case of individuals who are somehow confirmed to have a power but we don't know what it is, we put "Unknown" in the powers field. This will print as "None" (because there are "no known powers"), but will still place the person in Category:Evolved Humans. Kaito is not confirmed to have a power, and neither is Arthur. (Men of "great power" is not confirmation of having an evolved human ability. Deleted scenes don't count.) Neither was Angela until she told Peter she had a power in the season premiere. The only people I can think of who fall under this category are people who appear on the list, like James Walker or Paula Gramble. Canfield would fall under this category if his AT profile doesn't list his ability for some strange reason and he doesn't demonstrate an ability, but he is somehow confirmed to have an ability, like if Angela said, "Stop Canfield! He's got a dangerous ability, and you don't want to know what it is!" or something like that.

Hope that helps. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:11, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey. There seems to be alot of tension. Basically Stephen's ability is not "black holes". That's indeed very incorrect. According to my cousin Stephen aka Big Bad or Vortext is able to create a space of negativity where he can completely obliterate something or someone and get rid them with no return. His ability is unstable at the moment, similar to Ted when he had his ability. It's not that he doesn't have control over his ability, as he does, it's just that his ability is so powerful it could destroy the Planet depending how large of a black hole he creates. He could basically recreate the Big Bang but it would require an astronomical amount of will power.--ACDC1989 15:03, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

  • No offense, but "insider" information doesn't help with our naming convention. Sorry.--Bob (talk) 16:14, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Intriguing. Thanks Bob. Regarding name convention why is the title freezing and melting still in existence? It should be cryokinesis as that's the correct name. The title pyrokinesis is correct thankfully it's not named heating.--ACDC1989 15:10, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • How are you defining "correct"? We do not prefer common names over scientific names, unless the names are given to us in a canon source. "Pyrokinesis" is given to us in an assignment tracker profile. Melting was described to us as the "ability to melt", so "melting" is derived from that. Sylar says he can freeze things, so that's where "freezing" comes from (and "cryokinesis" simply means "movement of cold", which I don't think describes what Sylar or Tracy can do at all). It's all very clearly laid out in the naming convention and not so clearly discussed on the talk pages of the respective power articles. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Other possible power names

I like the speculation so far! I'm already wondering what they did to nullify his power and keep him in Level 5.

"Black holes" doesn't match the tone of most other powers but if that's what it is, it shall be — I remember when "intuitive aptitude" was popularized! My reckonings:

  • A type of spacetime manipulation
  • Singularities
  • Cosmic substantiation (it would be amusing to see someone who can grow heavenly bodies...)
  • Gravitational fields (taken to the extreme)
  • Entropic extremity
  • Quantum control
  • Voids
  • Massive objectivity (OK, kidding a bit)

--Torley 08:20, 12 October 2008 (EDT)


Matter obliteration seems to be one of the correct names as that is what he is able to do, theoretically. Singularity and quantum control are good but vague to the extent of his ability. His ability allows for the obliteration of the properties of matter. I agree gravitational fields would be extreme but theoretically someone with control of black holes would undoubtedly have a profound effect upon the Earth's gravitational fields and even pull.--ACDC1989 15:07, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Ultimately, we'll wait until his power debuts and we'll go from there. We'll use the best canon source possible. Hopefully it will be named in his assignment tracker profile. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Sandra, while reading, said he creates vortexes. JackOfBloodyHearts 22:49, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Unless his assignment tracker profile says something different, we'll go with vortex creation. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
        • That seems like the most logical option to me, too. (Admin 23:48, 13 October 2008 (EDT))
      • Damn, I thought I would be clever to suggest that name. Ah well. I second "Vortex Creation". Darmenos 22:27, 13 October 2008
      • I think Singularity /Black holes / or Vortex Creation are all good until we have a definite name. Singularity is essentially what Canfield is creating, which resides within the black hole. --Denali 10:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Singularity is rather vague, hence it's usage would be confusing due to the fact there are many branches of singularity which are not just bound to the realm of physics. Matter obliteration is basically what Canfield did when he activated his ability. Or if not matter obliteration break it down to Obliteration as that is what a black hole does to sub-atomic particles, well a specific type though.
    • I agree, Singularity can mean multiple things. The assignment tracker image shows, "Gravitational Field Manipulation". --Denali 09:32, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Dead?

According to the page on Vortex creation, the vortexes don't kill someone, they send them to another dimension.I really don't think that counts as death...--Golden Monkey 18:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I made a similar point on the Level 5 escapees discussion page. The general consensus there was deceased until proven alive, similar to Arthur Petrelli's situation of being listed as deceased until Angels and Monsters --Aburu 18:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't think this is similar to Arthur Petrelli's situation, but I do think it's pretty clear that Canfield isn't coming back. We really don't know what his state is, but we know he's not going to be reentering the world in any form we know. He's dead to the world of Heroes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • In terms of physics he's dead. If you are sucked up by a black hole it scrambles up your molecules which evidently causes you to disintergrate before violently being compressed and pulled by the gravitational pull. Stephen Hawking stated that all matter whilst entering a black hole appears to be in a state of stationary position then the elements are drawn ever so quickly towards the singularity. So, yes, he may have been able to create another one of his vortices to escape.
      • Until the writers confirm his death, Canfield's condition and whereabouts are currently unknown. If you saw the assignement tracker, the image talking about his power says, "Origin and endpoint of vortices remain unknown". Also, like I said in the "Angels and Monsters" discussion, Canfield may be immune to his own power. He may be able to find his way back if he isn't dead. --Denali 09:26, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It also states that he is presumbed deceased. Therequiembellishere 11:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I think we can consider him dead. It's also canonically confirmed in that his victim was stated to be killed and he was dubbed a murderer/killer in the actual show, which should trump the assignment trackers (except the information from the ones we actually see onscreen). Stevehim 14:46, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Funny. I actually read the assignment tracker's "presumed dead" as evidence that he should be considered deceased, not that he shouldn't. I don't see any reason not to list him as dead. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:54, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
    • The way I see it, Bennet knew that if Sylar were to go into a vortex, it was the only way to kill him. Bennet seems to know how Canfield's ability works.--Bob (talk) 14:57, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
      • No he doesn't. He just assumes he's dead because the neighbor is no where to be found. --Litox 11:18, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I agree with using "presumed deceased", that makes the most sense. --Denali 13:46, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I think the thing is no-one knows how this ability works, "presumed deceased" is what I would go for.--Skywalkerrbf 13:49, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Surprised to see him listed as dead, (which is speculative) instead of Missing, which is accurate and none-speculative. Also the precedence of many specials is that they are immune to the otherwise deadly effects of their own ability. All we know is that Canfield went into one of his own generated vortexes, into another unknown dimension. Nowhere has "death" been confirmed...only Missing. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/18/2008 21:19 (EST)
      • I'd be VERY surprised to see him pop out of a vortex in a future episode! Seems unlikely, but... not the first time there'd be such an unlikely resurrection... --Torley 00:11, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
        • My best guess is that he'll appear in a future graphic novel in a situation akin to Sliders.--MiamiVolts (talk)

Originally...

According to Andre Royo, on an exclusive clip with him on the BBC Heroes site, he says the original casting description had a different name and he had blue eyes, but this was scrapped and they hired Andre Royo instead and changed the name to "Canfield". Should we have a note about it? Here's a link: [[1]] Super-Hiro 15:39, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

André ROyo was creedited as a guest star in the episode when does him show up -cj31094

  • Probably when he escapes from Level 5. I never noticed it though, but if we really can see him, then we can go ahead and add the appropriate info to their respective pages. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:31, 12 December 2008 (EST)
  • Credited where? IMDb? I don't trust it. If he was credited in the episode (I don't think he was), then that's a different story. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2008 (EST)
  • As far i know, Doyle, Canfield,Samedi, The German, Jesse, Flint and Knox all appear in the episode, they were credited, but Canfield, Doyle and Samedi just appear as random during the escape, so i think we must put Canfield in the characters who appear during the episode.User: Jethap
    • he was credited , he was one of the first ones in appear in guest stars when Tracy was talking to Malden --Cj31094 12:26, 13 December 2008

I just saw the credits he is with Ken Lally , right before Lawrence XVII and Grosse-cj31094

  • Yes, he was credited.

Andelly.jpg--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 19:48, 13 December 2008 (EST)

  • Good call. Did they appear, or were they just paid? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:54, 13 December 2008 (EST)
    • Maybe they did appear in the escape scene, but we just didn't get a good look coz the camera's too blurry in the scene...--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 19:57, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Im not sure , but i think i heard his voice in escape part

The seven escapees who appear in the promo pics ( Samedi, Knox, Jesse, Flint, The German, Doyle, Canfield ) are all the escapees who appear during the escape scene. It will not be fair if Canfield was the only one we not mention as appeared during the episode, so i think we must add him. User: Jethap

  • Yeah me too , thats why i post the coment in the first place
    • Andro Royo was credited, but his character, Canfield, did not appear in the episode. Therefore, we mustn't include him in the appearances. --Radicell 21:20, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Death?

Was it confirmed that he died?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:05, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

  • His AT profile says that for all purposes he's dead. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:08, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
    • So the rule of Ted doesn't apply?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:34, 5 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Stephen's case is as far as I know a unique one, he was shown to be able to use his ability without being sucked by his vortexes, but as his last scene showed, it seems he can "turn off" his immunity. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:38, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

Edit war

It seems we have some conflicting opinions over whether or not to include The Butterfly Effect on this page or not. Andre Royo was credited for appearing. However, his scene may have been cut. We use the credits to help us figure out who was in the episode and who wasn't, but in the end, the credits are there only to help, not to dictate. Ultimately, we use the actual episode as the basis for determining appearances. (This goes both ways--there have been many times that characters plainly appear onscreen, even when the actor is not credited.) Anyway, until (or unless) we know for sure that Canfield appeared in the episode (I'd either like to see a screenshot or have a very good and clear description of where to find him when I watch the episode, because I've never seen him when I've looked back), the episode should not be included on this page. Nor should Canfield be included in the main body of the episode page, or on the appearances page. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying he was credited, but never appeared....but the edit volleys will stop here. Thanks for understanding, all! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree. NBC often get things wrong. Jimmy Jean-Louis, The Haitian, was credited for 3x01, but never appeared, as his scene(s) was deleted. From memory, Tawny Cypress, Simone, was also credited for a Season One episode (1x11?) under similar circumstances. The credits have also been wrong about other things too ("Lyle Bennett" was allegedly a character that appeared in 1x01.) So it's entirely possible that Canfield didn't appear at all in this ep. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:01, 2 June 2009 (EDT)