Talk:Supercharging/Archive 3

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Delete Sections

Since most of these sections are useless now that we have a name for the ability, shouldn't they be deleted? It's just junk now (And once we delete them, I'll delete this section.).--ERROR 12:46, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

• Talk page sections are never to be deleted, only archived. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:07, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Noted.--ERROR 21:36, 15 January 2010 (EST)

The Source of All Evil... kidding, but:

Why do people think Ando can give abilities? All he does is making them more powerful. -- Altes 08:46, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Avada Kedavra

Albeit red. -- Altes 04:00, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

• • Matt and Daphne survived it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:25, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
    • Yep, I meant that big red lightning thing. Besides, Harry Potter survived it too. Twice. -- Altes 01:34, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

short circuit

is it possible that when ando attacked the gaurds at Matt Parkman's house that he literaly overcharged their systems and short circuited them? Ando demonstrated a similar thing on a tazer in I Am Sylar. anyway if this is the case than I suggest a name change to simply supercharging which covers all aspects of his ability instead of just his power to charge abilities. --Tsmarg

• How about melons in Baby Power? He smashed them, and I doubt there are any systems within melons. -- Altes 12:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
  • well what I mean by short circuit is that he somehow generated a blast, electric or other, that was strong enough to short circuit a taser or even a human. I would guess that the blast also has a concussive force as shown: when he blasts the guard, the guard is sent flying backwards. the concussive blast could also probably explode a melon. --Tsmarg

Ability supercharging is canon...

...but can I ask which episode it was stated in. I'd like to see it named by someone. Thanks if you reply. --mc_hammark 08:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

• Matt says in Dual, "Your ability is like a supercharger". This is where the name comes from. AltesUTC CH

Comes from Star Wars?

You see, in Star Wars: Jedi Knight video game there's a Force power which allows to drain Force energy from opponents, and it looks like red lightning. On the contrary, Ando can strengthen others. Coincidence? AltesUTC CH

It's been called Red Lightning several times now

Just sayin'... --Action Figure 23:04, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Although we're not calling it lightning...

... should we not put: Ability supercharging (also referred to a red lightning) , like it does on the Electric manipulation page. Ando has called it that more than once. --mc_hammark 12:58, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Fine by me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Ability Forgotten?

Is it just me or are they just forgetting about andos abilty to supercharge? It seems to me the the writers wittled down his ability to just the red lightning part

--Lama098890 01:23, 10 November 2009 (EST)

• There is a rumor that the cause of the Earth splitting in two is Ando using his ability on Samuel. -Barbedknives (talk)01:30, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Ando's Blast

Anybody else think Kamehameha when they see that??? I did in tonight's episode and I've only ever seen Dragonball Evolution and a few episodes of the Sayian Saga!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't help it. It looks like the Kamehameha.--WarGrowlmon18 23:32, 11 January 2010 (EST)

• Yeah, thats what I thought when I first saw it in Season 3.--Ratclaws 09:24, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • HADOUKEN! --Action Figure 16:13, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Augmentative Energy Projection

Ando can clearly use his ability on objects(Close to You), not just to augment people' abilities. He can also projects a red "energy" with this ability. What does anyone this about this?--Realistic

• I like this name. Ability supercharging doesn't cover everything he can do.--Ratclaws 09:33, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • We've always known he could project red energy, that's the first thing we saw him do in the future, only later we learned that every was used to enhance abilities. And we still didn't change the name of this ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:42, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Charging

I think charging could be an okay name for this ability. He "charges" abilities, "charged" Hiro's brain and that electronic device, and he "charges" red energyblasts. It seems to cover everything he does, and it isn't overly complicated. First time poster here, be gentle :)--TVjoker12:17, 12 January 2010

I see no reason to rename, but if we had to rename it, I wouldn't oppose this name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:19, 12 January 2010 (EST)

This doesn't really cover his energy blasts. I think the Augmentive Energy thing is better.--WarGrowlmon18 12:19, 12 January 2010 (EST)

It does if you consider that Ando is releasing charged-up energy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:30, 12 January 2010 (EST)

I can see what he means though. You wouldn't think someone who has Ability supercharging could open up doors and screw with electronics. Here's an idea. Why don't we split the article with Ando having one ability and Hawking having another. We would call Hawking's ability Ability augmentation and Ando Supercharging, or whatever is appropriate of a name, because they do seem like very different abilities to me. --OutbackZack 13:08, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Splitting yes, but Supercharging isn't a good name for Ando's. They're abilities are different, but Supercharging just doesn't fit Ando's anymore.--WarGrowlmon18 14:18, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Good idea for the name! Works much better :) --Leckie -- Talk 14:45, 12 January 2010 (EST)

If Supercharging doesn't work then we could just call it "Red lighting". I know, lame, but it's often used in the show, and that's how visitors would search for his ability. --OutbackZack 14:55, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Dumb idea. Red lightning describes this even worse than supercharging as that's not all it does. It encompases too little of his ability.

Supercharging actually does fit his ability pretty well. He's been called a "supercharger" on the show numerous times, his ability does supercharge others' abilities, and he appears to supercharge the energy around his hands to create "red lightning". (Note how even when passed out, he still "sparkles" a bit.) --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:03, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Very good point. How do you feel about a split though? It seems to me that they have very different abilities and when they amplify others' abilities it's done very differently as well. Their abilities were even given a different name. Hawking's ability was called Ability augmentation by Sean Fallon, who was an employee of the Company at the time. --OutbackZack 15:53, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Actually, I wouldn't oppose a split. Paulette's ability augmentation seemed a lot less drastic and sudden than Ando's supercharging. On top of that, Paulette didn't do anything other than augmenting others' abilities. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 03:52, 13 January 2010 (EST)

We have often said that characters who are "experts" on abilities on the show are more likely to name the abilities, as other characters are more likely to just make offhand remarks about them. Well Mohinder clearly calls Ando's ability Red Lightning without being prompted to do so by another character, and Mohinder is one of our few experts. --Action Figure 16:17, 12 January 2010 (EST)

I would be fine either way. How do you feel about a split though?--OutbackZack 16:23, 12 January 2010 (EST)

I think that Mohinder only saw it as Red Lightning. I think the only time he saw it was when Ando Kamhameha'd that door so he probably thought it was some kind of lightning ability.--WarGrowlmon18 16:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)

I completely agree about splitting the article. I've thought they should be split since the beginning, but now with all these extra things we've seen Ando do, I feel we have enough evidence to seperate the articles. --Nax 03:12, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Ando's blasting ability

I think I get how he does that: he charges the energy he would use to supercharge someone into a blast of energy that he can fire. He's probably able to stun and kill if he wishes by it: so far he's displayed stunning, but if he charged enough energy into it, he could probably kill: that's probably how he killed Future Hiro.--WarGrowlmon18 14:38, 12 January 2010 (EST)

• I see what you mean and yes I agree. I've always thought of ando's ability as "pure energy" that looks like electrical energy, and putting this pure energyinto electrical systems knocks them out (like in close to you) and into people would either charge their abilities or overcharge their heart (or given tonight's episode with hiro, their brain) which would kill them. --mc_hammark 17:21, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • I think its more of some kind of energy manipulation power than a supercharging one. Ando can manipulate the energy from his power to give someone a power boost, or manipulate it like he has been for shorting out systems or shooting energy blasts.--WarGrowlmon18 17:43, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • I think this is more of a 'Jack-of-all-Trades' Power, in that it didn't appear to short-circuit the door in Close To You, but rather 'Data-Linked' it to enter the correct code. For the security door when they are fleeing, clearly he just fried it. But what he did to Hiro, I don't believe was just 'shocking' him, as there were no electricity burns on Hiro's head, he desired to restore Hiro's mind and used his Power to do that. I think he could do SO much more with his Power, if only he experimented and tried different things. It appears, to me, that the 'Red Lightning' is just a pure form of energy that he can manipulate to do whatever he desires (within reason). PowerSink 03:15, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • So basically what we're saying is that his ability is pure energy that he can blast and manipulate at different levels of strength, depending on what he wants it to do; supercharge an ability, kill someone, short circuit an electrical system, and more. Cool. --mc_hammark 04:11, 13 January 2010 (EST)
        • Umm, basically. Haha. Had a few glasses of wine last night, which makes me ramble on a bit ;) PowerSink 17:01, 13 January 2010 (EST)

• Am I the only one still not convinced hiro died in that future? We only saw him attack him -- (WaterRatj) 04:15, 13 January 2010 (EST)
  • although we can't be 100% sure, they were on opposing teams, ando looked really angry with hiro, not to mention hiro drew his sword incinuating a fight to the death since that's all his sword would be able to do, kill ando. --mc_hammark 04:20, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • True but he drew his sword in the past to peter to and din't planned on killin him -- (WaterRatj) 04:24, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • As far as we know. He ran at peter going to kill him and only teleported to avoit peter's lightning. Then he held the sword to peter's neck. True I don't think that he was intent on killing peter there, but remember, four years in the future, hiro could have changed a lot. --mc_hammark 04:33, 13 January 2010 (EST)
        • Your Right, to bad they don't show that future in a episode -- (WaterRatj) 04:38, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Split (Not talking renaming yet!)

This should be split. Shattering and disintegration have more similarities than this, and those two have separate pages. --NuparuMahnika 08:57, 13 January 2010 (EST)

• Agree. "Ability supercharging" is not an explicit name (no one said "your ability is called <this>"), so a change is viable. From the recent episodes, it appears that his power is more to generate a blast of energy that can supercharge things: he can amplify abilities, activate electronic devices, jump-start memories, and harm people and destroy objects by overcharging them. So, I think we should drop the "ability" and name this only "supercharging", splitting it from Paullette, who only show to be capable of augmenting abilities.--Referos 09:05, 13 January 2010 (EST)
  • It should be split, but with a name more suited to Ando's ability like Energy Manipulation. That's what he does now: manipulates energy. He can use it supercharge other's powers, form energy blasts, overload locks and blast open doors. He manipulates energy in different ways.--WarGrowlmon18 12:33, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • The problem is we would have to call it Supercharging, because other characters in the show has referred to both him and his ability with "supercharging" and "supercharger". There's really no other option unless you wanted to call is Red Lighting. HOWEVER, let's not debate about the name until the split is complete. Otherwise we'll dance around the debate and never amount to anything. --OutbackZack 13:15, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • I support a split and agree we should avoid name debates until said split is complete. PowerSink 17:02, 13 January 2010 (EST)
• I added a split nomination on the article. If we do decide to split, Paulette's ability should be called "ability augmentation" because Fallon said that she augments abilities, or something to that effect (he definitely said the word augment). Ted can melt objects like Zane, but we don't put them both under "melting" and insinuate that Zane can do what Ted can. However, with that being said, I don't think we can get away with anything besides "ability supercharging" for Ando's version, it was mentioned multiple times in the show by multiple characters. The only other name I can think of is "red lightning", which isn't a horrible name honestly. Mohinder refers to it as that, and he's a credible source.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:17, 13 January 2010 (EST)
  • Agree on the split, but, as said before (with emphasis) NO TALK ON RENAMES UNTIL THE DECISION TO SPLIT IS CONFIRMED--SacValleyDweller (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • _Sorry....--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:24, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • Yeah i also agree on this one, however it could be that Paulette's ability was the same as Ando's but we never saw more of Paulette's ability so lets split.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:25, 13 January 2010 (EST)
        • Also, like I said earlier, I think Mohinder merley saw it as red lightning as that was all he ever witnessed Ando display it as. Ando just went along with due to them being in a bit of a rush.--WarGrowlmon18 17:27, 13 January 2010 (EST)
          • I doubt, even if they had time, Ando would stop and say "Excuse me Dr. Suresh, but we call that (blank)". Just kidding, sorry. Anyway, my point was that it is a viable name, but as SacValleyDweller has told us, no remane discussion for now.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:30, 13 January 2010 (EST)
            • I vote yes, because it certainly seems like the red electricity is the main aspect of his ability, while the ability charger power seems like a side power.--Gibbeynator 18:31, 13 January 2010 (EST)
• We'll let the discussion stay open for a little longer so everyone can give their opinion. --OutbackZack 18:58, 13 January 2010 (EST)
• First of all "energy?", looks more like electricity to me. Second, "Super-charging" has been named on the show, the only other name that we could use is "Red Lightning" which has also been said multiple times. Any other name is speculative and ain't gonna happen. --Powermimic 20:24, 13 January 2010 (EST)
  • We are not discussing names right now. We are only talking about splitting the article in two. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:27, 13 January 2010 (EST)
    • Yeah sorry forget to add, splitting is fine by me but I think the name should stay the name for Ando's ability. --Powermimic 20:29, 13 January 2010 (EST)
      • Powermimic, electricity is a type of energy, so if it is electricity it is energy by default. I am not fussed about the split, however I don't think we've seen enough of paulette's ability to say she couldn't do the things ando could do. --mc_hammark 05:33, 14 January 2010 (EST)
        • That's why we can't keep her with Ando. We can only work with what we saw and not with what could have been: as far as we know, Paulette only augmented an ability, while Ando has done much more. It's speculative now to say they have the same ability, so a split seems like a good choice. And electricity is not a form of energy, it's the flow of electrical charges.--Referos 07:43, 14 January 2010 (EST)
          • It's electrical energy though. --mc_hammark 08:01, 14 January 2010 (EST)
            • Well, no, electric potential energy is not the same as electricity. But that's irrelevant; if the writers want Ando to generate a blast of "pure energy" (whatever that means), then so be it. Anyway, does someone oppose the split?--Referos 11:06, 14 January 2010 (EST)
              • Anyway, the point I was making in the first place was that it was pure energy that just "looked" like electricity. I wasn't meaning that it shares anything else. But I don't think there is any opposition, but I'd maybe see what one of the admins think first. --mc_hammark 11:11, 14 January 2010 (EST)
• Does anyone oppose the split?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:27, 14 January 2010 (EST)
  • I oppose Ando's part being renamed Ando's Ability but besides that no.--WarGrowlmon18 15:30, 14 January 2010 (EST)
    • After the split, we will keep Ando's power as "Ando's ability" just as a place-holder until we can agree on a name.--Referos 16:17, 14 January 2010 (EST)
      • Actually, directly after the split, Ando's ability should still be ability supercharging, and paulette's ability augmentation. If the split goes ahead, that is. --mc_hammark 16:20, 14 January 2010 (EST)
        • I think that it should be set to Ando's ability by default, but it is extremely unlikely that will remain as the ability name for long. It won't kill us to have "Ando's ability" for a while. However, Paulette's ability must go to "Ability augmentation" because that is the only reference to her ability and comes from a near-canon source.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:34, 14 January 2010 (EST)
          • How much longer before we can take a vote?--Gibbeynator 17:34, 14 January 2010 (EST)
            • No vote is really necessary, I think; everyone seems to be okay with the split. We're just waiting some time for courtesy.--Referos 17:41, 14 January 2010 (EST)

All I'm saying is this: Ability supercharging -> Ando's ability, ability augmentation. That's what I'll go with.--ERROR 21:41, 15 January 2010 (EST)

• Ok, I think enough time has passed. Shall we split this?--Referos 11:25, 17 January 2010 (EST)
  • I think that in the case of two abilities (Ando's and Paulette's) that have very similar outcomes (augmenting the abilities of others), it originally made sense for us to have the abilities on the same page. The abilities, over time, have proven divergent enough that it would be fine to split the page. I really don't have too strong an opinion one way or the other on the matter...but if there is enough support to split the page (which there seems to be), then I'll stick with the majority in this case. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:45, 17 January 2010 (EST)

We should call this ability Electric

Here are reasons why: Ando is able to charge people abilities: If you charge your car battery, mobile/cell phone batteries, or any other battery you put electically charge it. He unscambelled Hiro Brain, There are Electically impluses in the brain. He use it to bypass a security switch, he is giving an electric current. User:50000JH 17:08, 16 January 2010 (EST)

• Here's why the name won't work, he's been referred to as a "super-charger". Which is the reason for the current name Ability supercharing. With the recent episode though, Supercharging would be the best fitted name, because it describes what his powers does and fits his title as a "super-charger". The ONLY other name that could possibly work is Red lighting. It's not a matter of which one is right or wrong, it's gonna be the matter of which one we prefer. With that said, it would probably come down to a vote between "Supercharing" and "Red lighting", which again, are the ONLY two names that fit his ability and what the other characters have said. The reason why Ability supercharing won't work, is A.) it works on more than abilities and B.) no character refers to him or his ability as "ability supercharger" or "supercharger of abilities". Just "super-charger". You can't debate that. --OutbackZack 17:40, 16 January 2010 (EST)
  • Why do we always have to refer to the show all the time. The word fits. Elle second name for her ability is called Lighting.lighting is charge of electricity.--50000JH 17:58, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • We refer to the show because it is canon. Whic means we take the name the show gives us.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:00, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • 50000JH, the purpose of the wiki is to document the show, and that means using the names the show gives us. If you are wanting to name it something different, I suggest you look around other superpower wikis and see if they have a page for ando's ability, if not then you can make one for them. --mc_hammark 18:03, 16 January 2010 (EST)
      • We called Matt Jr ability activation and deactivation and this was not not use in the show.--50000JH 18:13, 16 January 2010 (EST)
        • But with that there wasn't a cannon name that described all aspects of the ability. --mc_hammark 18:15, 16 January 2010 (EST)
          • red lighting doesn't describe all aspects of the ability to me because the way he "healed" Hiro Mind, I haven't heard of lighting impulses in the Brain.--50000JH 18:34, 16 January 2010 (EST)
            • There are electrical impulses in everyones' brains and it was shock therapy that Ando used on Hiro to link them up and put his memories in order. --mc_hammark 18:38, 16 January 2010 (EST)

I know there are electrical impulses in everyone. To me Lighting is a electricty charge that comes from the earth's atomosphere, no matter what the colour is.--50000JH 13:07, 18 January 2010 (EST)

If this ability is to be split...

If this ability is to be split based on the fact that he uses the electricity more than the augmenting, then we cannot go with any other title but Red lightning. Not only has it been said in interviews that this is what they call his power, but they refer to his ability as red lightning very, very frequently in the show, in fact in the most recent episode about 3 times within 20 seconds. I disagree with the split, and think it should be kept on grounds grounds that the red lightning can be listed as a side effect, similar to Accelerated probability's electricity.--Riddler 17:46, 16 January 2010 (EST)

• I have been wanting to change it to Red Lightning for a while now, but since Paulette's ability was called ability augmentation, then called supercharger on the show, making it a canon name. Only if the article was split could the ability be called Red Lightning. --mc_hammark 17:52, 16 January 2010 (EST)
  • Both Red lighting and Supercharing are fine. They're both used by other characters to describe Ando, his ability, and what he does. Also, the point made against the split isn't a valid point. Accelerated probability was stated by writers to have been altered by the mystery orginization. We're talking about how abilities are naturally, and they're naturally different. Yes, they have one similiar effect, but so many differences. Just like Illusion and Telepahty. --OutbackZack 17:59, 16 January 2010 (EST)
    • Let me back up on what I said about the Accelerated probability. The writers purposed that Edward's power was altered, but never made it clear. However, it was only with the writers confirmation that we can say for sure that Edward had that ability. Before that, we had him listed with a different ability. However, that's not the case for this. It would be more speculation to say that Ando and Hawkins have the same ability as oppose to saying they have different abilities. We document what they demonstrated, name it by what they were referred as, and thus, we're not in the wrong. --OutbackZack 18:10, 16 January 2010 (EST)
      • Yes, we actually kept Edward's and Santiago's abilities separated until a writer confirmed they were the same. I think this shows that the precedent is to split abilities in these cases, unless confirmed otherwise.--Referos 19:32, 16 January 2010 (EST)

Split

I split the page because it seemed like everyone was in support, and an admin had given approval. I think we should leave it as Ando's ability until we can decide on a name. The three names canon names which I can remember are "Ability supercharging", "Red lightning" and "Supercharging". Add any I missed.----PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:10, 17 January 2010 (EST)

• Since you renamed the ability back to 'Ando's ability', are you saying that 'ability supercharging' is no longer a valid name for the ability? That it no longer encompasses Ando's main use of his ability?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:44, 17 January 2010 (EST)
  • I moved it to "Ando's ability" because ability supercharging might not be a no longer valid name for the ability. I thought that we should have left it as "Ando's ability" while we decided between the three names below to be impartial; leaving it as "Ando's ability" suggests we are choosing a name for the ability, while calling it one of the three below suggests that we are changing the name of the ability.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:38, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • Thanks for the explanation, but watch the double negative there. ;) For the future, please note we normally leave an ability as its former chosen name while we consider a better name, unless the former name no longer applies. 'Ability supercharging' had been the original name used for Ando's ability before Paulette Hawkins's ability was merged into it, so (for me at least) this is in-fact a name change; not a name choosing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:52, 18 January 2010 (EST)
      • It's also important to note that choosing one name does not invalidate another name. If this article is called "ability supercharging", it would be perfectly fine (and canon sanctioned) to still call it red lightning, or even Ando's ability. Other names are not negated by choosing a name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2010 (EST)
        • I assumed that "ability supercharging" referred to the combination of Ando's and Paulette's ability, that's partially why I split it to "Ando's ability". But I definitely keep that in mind for the future, this was the first time a split an article.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 01:18, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Ability supercharging

Supercharging

1. ----PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:10, 17 January 2010 (EST)
2. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:53, 17 January 2010 (EST)
3. --Scorvi12 00:58, 18 January 2010 (EST)
4. Is both canon and describes what the ability can achieve as oppose to what it looks like.--OutbackZack 01:00, 18 January 2010 (EST)
5. --Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:24, 18 January 2010 (EST) For reasons already stated.
6. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:58, 19 January 2010 (EST) Why was this changed to red lightning after only one day?
7. --It was fine the way it was. --Piemanmoo 17:38, 20 January 2010 (EST)
8. --DigitalCount 00:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
9. --Dark Master 00:48, 26 January 2010 (EST)

Red lightning

1. --Riddler 23:50, 17 January 2010 (EST) - It distinguishes it better from Paulette's ability, and they say "red lightning" on very numerous occasions. They even said it in an interview.
2. --'Red lightning' is (definitely appears to me to be) the more common term used for the ability in and outside the show. And, since 'red lightning' is the only name used in the show for the ability, and 'supercharging' and 'ability supercharging' are derived names from terms used on the show, I'm thinking it's already rather clear based on the guidelines that 'red lightning' would have priority and a consensus isn't needed. Also, just a heads up to PJDEP, if consensus is needed, we would normally allow a consensus check for people to supply other possible canon names and then others would only voice opposition to the name. If more than one name was left without any unstained arguments, we would then have a poll.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:40, 18 January 2010 (EST)

   "Supercharging" and "Red lightning" were the only canon names given if I can remember, I didn't think it would be necessary to hold a full consensus when there were so few options. The difference between "supercharger" and "supercharging" seemed negligible, so I thought that put it on even footing with "red lightning". I really wasn't suggesting anything formal or official here, but thanks for the heads-up.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:49, 18 January 2010 (EST)

3. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) This is what Ando calls it. He's the expert on his own ability.

   Ando had no idea he could use it as electroshock theraphy, not so much of an expert. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 19 January 2010 (EST)

   That's more of a biological thing he doesn't know about, rather than his ability. Does Claire know that she could choose not to heal for a while like Sylar can? --mc_hammark 11:24, 20 January 2010 (EST)

   Sylar didn't choose not to heal, he said he pushed for extra blood, and unlike Claire, he has telekinesis, which he could have used to keep wounds open. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:29, 20 January 2010 (EST)

4. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2010 (EST) The user of the ability gets to coin the name for it it unless in-show expert calls it something that better describes the ability

   Ando calls it by its looks, not its effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:47, 19 January 2010 (EST)

5. --mc_hammark 11:21, 20 January 2010 (EST)

New Image?

Does anyone think this image, or this image would be a good lead image? I just think it's time for a change. Also the current image is a bit blurry. My personal choice would be the first one. It's nice and simple, up close, and not so bright. But I do like my other nomination as well, just not my first choice.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:12, 17 January 2010 (EST)

• I prefer the second one, as it demonstrates the ability more.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:33, 17 January 2010 (EST)
• If we're keeping the name "Red Lightning", then the second image. --Powermimic 05:08, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Second try

Since we got to see Ando supercharging someone's ability again, does this mean we can use an image of that to his ability? Him supercharging Hiro looked much better than supercharging Daphne. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:08, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Name of Ando's ability

If I'm not mistaken, we've been given a few different descriptive names for this ability. I think it's been most explicitly given as "red lightning" (see Close to You). I believe it's also been called derivatives of "supercharging", but I'd have to check references to be sure. Anyway, I moved it to "red lightning" since that name was the most recent and the most explicit, as I recall. But we can certainly discuss moving it to another canon name. Please note that this is not a discussion for suggesting a bunch of new names, but for discussing names that have already been given to us, or derivatives of descriptions already given on the show. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:55, 17 January 2010 (EST)

• Agreed. So anyway, Mohinder stated red lightning because that is all he knows of Ando's ability (all he witnessed), if I'm not wrong. Matt did call him a supercharger, which is correct. He can supercharge machines and brains. Supercharging sounds like the most ideal name for Ando's ability.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:57, 17 January 2010 (EST)
  • Ando also called his ability red lightning, not only in Close to You, but in the episode with Dial-A-Hero. If I recall right, Ando says something to the effect of, "What can I do with red lightning?" Furthermore, Red lightning was what the ability was called in an interview. With so many sources for this name, I firmly believe it's the right name.--Riddler 00:01, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • The only reason I oppose "red lightning" is because it sounds too colloquial. Is red lightning quoted in the introductory paragraph of the article to reflect this or was that just an editing mistake (where it says "Red lightning" is the ability to....)--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:43, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • I suggest Supercharging since it too relates to several things that other characters have used to refer to Ando and his ability AND it actually describes what the ability can achieve as a result of using it. Red lighting only describes the look of the ability and NOT what is can achieve. --OutbackZack 00:51, 18 January 2010 (EST)
      • I modified the intro to read

        ""Red lightning" is the term used by Mohinder and Ando to refer to Ando's ability to amplify the abilities of other evolved humans. His ability can also generate a concussive energy blast and be used similar to an electric shock."

        to account for the colloquial nature of the ability name. That being done, the word "supercharging" has automotive connotations for me, so I'd rather "red lightning" --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (EST)'

        • To be consistent, shouldn't the article name be in quotes as well?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 01:05, 18 January 2010 (EST)
          • Well done, Sac. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2010 (EST)
• I think "supercharging", without the "ability", still fits if we imagine Ando's ability as releasing a blast of energy that can power or energize things. But I think that "red lightning" is acceptable, since it was given very explicitly.--Referos 11:36, 18 January 2010 (EST)
  • I also support "supercharging", for reasons already stated. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:24, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • I too support "supercharging." Red Lightning is a description of what the power is (it appears as lightning that is red), not an explicit name for what it can do (supercharge the abilities of others). Calling it that is equivulent to calling Flint's ability "Blue Fire" if we didn't have the assignement tracker. Swm 06:05, 23 January 2010 (EST)
      • I support the "supercharging" it was better than "Red Lightning" --Dark Master 06:13, 23 January 2010 (EST)

Quotes for article name

PJDEP asked above about adding quotes to the article name. I don't think the article name needs the quotes. It's enough to be in quotes in the article itself, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2010 (EST)

• The name in bold at the beginning of an article always seems to be the name of the article itself, I was wondering if we should change the article (or alternatively, remove the quotes in the paragraph) name for consistencies sake. But it doesn't matter much to me either way.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 01:22, 18 January 2010 (EST)