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Cryokinetics

  • Has cryokinesis been confirmed? If not he or an accomplice could be using some kind of liquid nitrogen spray or something. (Admin 23:08, 9 November 2006 (EST))
    • I moved that bit to the theory section --Orne 23:34, 9 November 2006 (EST)
    • Technically, Telekinesis (the manipulation of kinetic energy, or the cause of an object's movement without movement of your own affecting it) can also be used in a number of other ways. Kinetic and Thermal energy are quite intertwined, and presumably one who could affect kinetic energies of objects without movement could also affect thermal energy in the same fashion, causing heat to flow from one point to another. Normally, when kinetic energy is shifted, work is done and heat generated. To use TK to freeze something or someone, the movement must simply be slowed or stopped. Without movement (molecular kinetic energy), there is no heat (thermal energy). Therefore, Telekinesis=Cryokinesis. Rihk 23:20, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Decapitation

I removed the references in the gallery to decapitation, since that's technically not what is being done. Decapitation is the removal of one's head. A more appropriate term for the murders would be scalping, I suppose. --ZyberGoat 00:25, 15 November 2006 (EST)

  • How about encephalectomy?
    • Rolls right off the tongue, doesn't it? Probably too jargony for use in the image captions, but would be more appropriate in the article body.--Hardvice (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Eden

  • I got the impression she shot herself with the gun, rather than letting Sylar get her power. Is it really clear that he forced her?--Hardvice (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2006 (EST)
    • He pulled her through the glass using telekinesis. I don't believe she committed suicide at that moment - I felt it was obvious she was coerced. Other opinions? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2006 (EST)
      • It's clearly suicide. He says he's going to steal her power, she turns the gun towards her and suddenly he has this "oh crap!" look on his face. No way he has that look if he made her pull the trigger. --Fcphantom 00:43, 5 December 2006 (EST)
        • I agree. He definitely looks as though it's an unplanned thing, and he just told her that he was going to steal her power. I call it self-sacrifice. --ZyberGoat 00:46, 5 December 2006 (EST)
          • Plus, if he was going to steal her brain, I'm sure he'd have used the good ol' telekinetic can opener trick. A gun seems like he's risking wasting her sweet, sweet brain.--Hardvice (talk) 00:50, 5 December 2006 (EST)
    • I just watched the scene over again, and you're right, it was a self sacrifice. I think I misinterpreted the hand slowly turning for Sylar's telekinetic powers. ... It does make that "oh crap" look Sylar gives afterwards very satisfying for the audience... As for the article, you're right, it shouldn't say he killed her, but there should be a note about it somewhere. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:58, 5 December 2006 (EST)
  • Just as added confirmation, the graphic novel makes it clear that she killed herself to keep Sylar from gaining her gift. --ZyberGoat 12:47, 5 December 2006 (EST)
  • Should Eden be considered an "Attempted Victim" since Sylar didn't actually kill her?
    • He also didn't kill the old man from Turning Point, but he is still responsible for both of their deaths. Personally I'm fine with her being considered one of his victims (it doesn't say or imply that he kills her), but if somebody has a different opinion, let's discuss. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Sylar's victims series bar

Okay, so I'm looking at the series bars, and it makes sense to me that we would have a series bar for Sylar's victims. These are the following people that would be on the bar:

  • Brian Davis
  • a white male (David)
  • an old man
  • Chandra
  • James Walker
  • Mrs. Walker
  • Isaac
  • a uniformed cop
  • an FBI agent
  • Charlie
  • Jackie Wilcox

Perhaps we would have a "See Also" section for his attempted victims (or maybe just call it "Attempted Victims", or maybe not at all). I know we don't have articles for all these people, which might be a problem. Maybe they could link to a picture if nothing else exists? Or maybe we should write an article for the others? Any thoughts on the bar or how to link it? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Lead Image

I like the pic of Charlie as our lead image for Sylar's victims. I wanted to have the one of Sylar standing over Jackie considered, too. Obviously we would have to resize it. The pic is not as high quality as the Charlie pic. However, it actually shows Sylar with his victim, and there's something to be said about that. Plus, there's less chance of confusion in getting "Sylar's victims" mixed up with "brain removal"... I'm cool with either, I just wanted to bring up an alternative. Thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:54, 21 December 2006 (EST)

  • Agree. (I had them the other way 'round, then realized he didn't actually remove Charlie's brain.) I'll see if I can get a bigger cap of Sylar and Jackie.--Hardvice (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Cleanup

I just thought I should make a note of some of the cleanup I did. The list was looking pretty unruly. Though this is one of the site's first lists, I decided to take a note from the other lists and organize it alphabetically, rather than chronologically -- the cites show basic chronology, show there is no need to organize it as such. As a result, I also placed each person's bolded name first, for readability. Finally, I changed the "Presumed Victims" to just "Victims". Really, I think it's pretty well-estabilished that Sylar has killed all those people. I think the only one that's a bit ambiguous is Chandra, but even that is pretty obvious. I say we leave it as though Sylar killed Chandra, and if anything further is revealed, then we change it. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:41, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Mr. Bennet

Should Mr. Bennet be an "Attempted Victim"? Sylar could have easily killed him before leaving the cell, but he didn't.

  • Well, he's definitely a victim of Sylar's abuse, though he didn't kill him. Hmm, maybe we should rename the section. Perhaps "Victims Not Killed"? That would cover all those already there, including Bennet. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:11, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Barstow victim

I don't think the Barstow victim was an evolved human, seeing as he/she was still dying, not dead when they found him/her, meaning he/she still had a brain.--MistressMerr 01:30, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

  • That's a good point. Of course, we don't even know how many victims there were in Barstow; it could have been a Mr./Mrs. Walker type situation, with one dead evolved human and one dying human. Nevertheless, you are absolutely correct: it requires speculation to say that an evolved human was killed in Barstow. Good catch!--Hardvice (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
    • What about Jackie? She was a victim, wasn't evolved, her brain wasn't removed, and she spoke before she died.--Bob 02:12, 28 March 2007 (EDT) Perhaps a similar situation
      • Well ... yes. She wasn't evolved and her brain wasn't removed. That's ... exactly the same as the Barstow victim, not the opposite. The thing is that if the Barstow victim was evolved and had his/her brain removed, he/she wouldn't be able to talk. If Jackie had had her brain removed, she wouldn't have been able to talk, either. The point isn't that we can say with certainty that the Barstow victim wasn't evolved--it's that there's no evidence supporting that the Barstow victim was evolved.--Hardvice (talk) 03:09, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
      • In other (hopefully less confusing) words, the only evidence supporting the idea that the Barstow victim was evolved was that (s)he was killed in the same manner as Sylar's other victims. This could mean his/her brain was removed (like James Walker), or it could mean that (s)he was pinned to the wall (like Mrs. Walker). If his/her brain was removed, (s)he wouldn't have been able to talk, so in all likelihood, (s)he was pinned to the wall. That's not to say it's not possible that (s)he had his/her brain removed, or that it's not possible that (s)he was evolved, but there's no evidence to support either of those, so (s)he doesn't belong on List of evolved humans, and to say that (s)he was killed "in the same manner as other evolved humans" on this page is speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 03:16, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Peter

Shouldn't we mention that he killed Peter in episode 19? He was clinically dead, until Claire removed the shard of glass. Arnor 15:39, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Good idea. The summary was written after Parasite. Since the summary referenced what happened, I don't think anybody thought to add any more to it after .07%. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Just evolved humans?

  • Is this page just for evolved humans that Sylar has attacked and then stolen the power from, or is it just any victims? If it is the latter, then Derek should be added.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  15:57, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Perhaps a list of evolved humans killed in chronological order? Or just the current list in chronological order? So we can gage which powers he has and when he got them. The order he got them in could possibly have significance later.--Mish(Talk) 17:45, 17 November 2007 (EST)
    • The powers listed in Sylar's character box are in chronological order. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:01, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Illusion

  • I dunno if this is being discussed somewhere yet, but we have no proof that Sylar got Candice's power when he killed her. He couldn't use telekinesis, so what's to say he had intuitive aptitude when he examined her brain? --AnotherNella 16:22, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Maya

  • Is she a victim, or an attempted victim. Yes, she's killed by Sylar, but she wasn't dead. Chrisyudbsname.JPGChrisyudbstalk.JPG 03:31, 8 December 2007 (EST)
    • I'd say she counts, since he killed her. That she got better sometime later doesn't change her status as victim. --Psiphiorg 23:19, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • Attempted unless we move Peter. Sylar did kill Peter too.--Riddler 23:23, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Claire

Shouldn't Claire be under the victim list. though she is not dead, her head was still opened and her brain was still examined. this would make her a sylar victim. Catalyst 15:58, 28 February 2009

Liam Samuels

It says Sylar killed Liam, but that's not true, is it? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • You'd have to assume he did after shapeshifting into him. Liam of course, wouldn't let Sylar get to the presidant if he could help it, so sylar would have had to have killed him to stop him. However, it is an assumption, so we can't state it. --mc_hammark 15:05, 2 November 2009 (EST)

"Implied Theory"?

"The implied theory is that Sylar can replicate the special powers of his victims because he has intuitive aptitude, the ability to see how things work." Hasn't it been confirmed that this is how Sylar replicates abilities? Should we change this to something along the lines of: "Sylar can replicate the special powers of his victims because he has intuitive aptitude, the ability to see how things work."? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 23:38, 14 November 2009 (EST)