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Sylar eating an iPod

Somewhat misc. but I had to share.

(It's really a lookalike, but when I first saw it, I was like... !) --Torley 08:45, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Never compare that one again with Sylar, he doensn't look a bit like sylarWaterRatj 07:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Sylar and Ted's power

Sylar has used Ted's power in the future, post Shanti virus. Therefore, where it says he has not been shown using it, it should be rectified accordingly.

That's not confirmed yet, and if it is, the writers just punctured a major plot hole. Intuitive Empath 19:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)

  • In an interview they said that Sylar acquired the ability to paint the future and induced radioactivity sometime between the present and I Am Become Death. In Viewpoints I'd have to guess that it was sound manipulation. In The Sting of Injustice we see that Jesse Murphy was capable of obliterating the exterior of a person's body with his scream, and it looks like Sylar does the same to Dennis. -- FlamingTomDude 12:37, 6 November 2008 (EDT)

Enhanced strength?

I know that the ability to lift the parking meter was attributed to telekinesis, but I'm in the midst of rewatching the first season, and it really seems like he was initially intended to have enhanced strength as well. He punches through the glass separating the front and back of Chandra's cab when he kills him (in Mohinder's dream in Seven Minutes to Midnight), and he liftes Jackie into the air with his bare hands before slicing open her head (the same way we see him use telekinesis thereafter) and backhands Claire with enough force to send her across the locker room and severely mess up her face (Homecoming). I suppose it's possible that he was using his telekinesis to 'strengthen' his actual hand, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Was it ever addressed in an interview? I know this probably isn't enough evidence to post it as an ability (though we do witness it onscreen), but is it worthy of being placed in the notes section (especially considering we do know, from his victims list, that he has powers that we never saw)? Stevehim 14:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

  • From the article: "Based on Mohinder's statement to the authorities (Fallout) that at least six people from his father's list have been murdered by Sylar (prior to Zane Taylor), it's likely that Sylar has acquired at least fourteen abilities: the six Mohinder mentions, plus those of Zane, Dale, Isaac, Ted, Claire, Bob, Bridget, and Jesse." We know he killed a man simply known as David but not his power, we also know he killed James Walker but not his power. That means there is one victim that was killed we do not know the name of nor his/her ability. That is three possible sources for Enhanced Strength, assuming he has the ability.--Snow Leapord 22:43, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

In a interview, it was said that his apparent invulnerability back in season one, like resistance to blunt traumas and things like that were applications of telekinesis, it doesn't seem a stretch for him to use it to amplify his strength. Intuitive Empath 15:08, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

FBI Agent Andrew Hanson

Did anybody else notice that the name Andrew Hanson reminds you of FBI agent Audrey Hanson?! I watched the episode again and thought of our good friend from season 1 working the Sylar case!--Pbmarcano 20:13, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yeah, I think the similarity was on purpose.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:42, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Place of birth...

When did we find out where Gabe was born? He lived in Queens, didn't he?--Nonredhead 12:02, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

"Gabriel Petrelli"

Sylar has never been known by this name. We don't know what Angela named him, or even if she did name him at all. We should avoid putting this name anywhere until we know that that was actually his name at one point. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:53, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Marking abilities as Lost in Infobox?

I know the interviews said the Shanti virus took everything away, and that the Mohinder+Claire blood injection only restored Intuitive aptitude and Telekinesis, but now that Sylar has stolen Rapid cellular regeneration, I would think he could heal back the remaining "lost" ones. This also explains why Gabriel Gray (exposed future) had Precognition and Induced radioactivity again.

That said, until my theory is proved or disproved, should the remaining "lost" abilities be noted as such in the infobox, as they currently are as of today? Or should that change be undone for now? GabrielPetrelli 17:18, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

  • It's a good point, but there are two schools of thought. One is whether Rapid cellular regeneration heals physical wounds only, thus not restoring Sylar's lost abilities. Another is that it may "heal" lost memories and knowledge which would give Sylar's lost powers back. As for Gabriel Gray (exposed future)'s abilites that were thought lost, he may have absorbed them from somebody who had obtained them from the formula, or from somebody unknown who shared the ability with Ted Sprague. Mystery 04:43, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Since Rapid cellular regeneration let Peter "heal"/restore memories lost to the Haitian's Mental manipulation, I'm inclined to follow the second school of thought. I know technically Gabriel Gray (exposed future) could have gotten Precognition and Induced radioactivity from new, as-yet-unknown Evolved humans, but that seems like quite a coincidence. Maybe not with Precognition, since we now have Usutu, but for the radioactivity, it seems too coincidental. I hope they give us some more insight on the matter soon. :] GabrielPetrelli 16:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
    • It does seem like quite a coincidence. I'd think he may have restored those lost powers, or at least how to use them, but he needs to probe his brain and unlock the memories. At the very least, we need more info. Mystery 09:33, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
      • I don't think the loss of his powers has anything to do with his memory, but rather changes in his genetic code. He would not be prone to memory loss, from the virus or even the Haitian, as he had Charlie's power. There was an interview that stated the Haitian couldn't wipe Sylar's memories because he had that power, iirc. --Stevehim 09:52, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
  • On "Second Coming" he is talking with Claire.

"I saw Hiro Nakamura kill you. I was there." "And yet here I am. Fully recovered. Well... not fully. That's acctually why I've come" He's the one with the power of understanding, he seems to think that Claire's ability will restore his powers. It probably has done. I'm at least adding this to the notes section as a legitimate viewpoint. --Whap 16:53, 4 December 2008 (EST)

  • Wasn't it confirmed that Sylar has only IA, TK and the ones he got this season by a BTE interview? I thought this issue was over with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Ability loss

What's this about Sylar only regaining some of his abilities? It is of course true that he hasn't manifested all of them, but since he regain some acquired abilities, wouldn't the logical thing to assume be that he have acquired all of them, until disproven? --Pierre 16:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

  • Marking his abilities lost is based on statements from a producer/writer interview, I believe. --Ted C 16:18, 4 November 2008 (EST)
    • It was mentioned in a Behind the Eclipse interview that Sylar had lost all of his abilities except for telekinesis and intuitive aptitude due to his exposure to the Shanti virus.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar powers are not gone...

How did Sylar kill Dennis?

He used his Induced radioactivity... so... that power is not lost... and maybe, he still has all his powers. What do you think?


Sylar's second ability

I'm rather confident that in the episode Villians Sylar will get his second ability, the one after obtaining Brian's telekinesis due to what i have seen in the episode promo. I'm also hazarding a guess that it will be the ability of freezing hence it's usage at the Walker residence. --ACDC1989 07:59, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Telekinesis

Why the hell does Sylar still have telekinesis? It's no different than any other stolen ability. Is there any explanation? Golden Monkey 17:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)

None the show has given so far. Intuitive Empath 17:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

The theory is that because Sylar used it so much, it's just become ingrained in his DNA so deep that not even the virus couldn't get it out... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 18:52, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I read in a recent interview that it was due to the emotional connection that came from killing for the first time and the guilt he felt for taking it.

Sylar uses Trevor's Power in Episode 10?

Take a look at this promotional still from episode 10: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/SQo4Td3HXaI/AAAAAAAArNA/WTvAqrJ6qWw/s1600-h/NUP_132200_0023.JPG ... Look familiar? --Dumpster juice 18:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar's just pointing with his two fingers, that's how he channels his telekinesis, we've seen it a dozen times. Also, no need to post the same topic in two different talk pages. Intuitive Empath 18:42, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Gabriel

I wonder when we're going to have to start calling him Gabriel rather than Sylar? -- FlamingTomDude

When he starts screaming at people, "MY. NAME. IS... GABRIEL!!!!!!!!!!!" Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Sylar - Not at full power?

Hi! I'm new here, and this is my first edit.

I was just wondering, is it possible that Sylar is still developing his powers, like all the other heroes? I mean, his power, intuitive aptitude, is basically the power to understand things, right? So, in theory, if he had full use of his intuitive aptitude, then he could understand the most complex of systems.

Case in point--Time Travel. Heroes obviously loves to mess around with the space-time continuum. Wouldn't someone with Sylar's powers know exactly how every single action everyone makes affects the future? And wouldn't he be able to shape his own actions to shape the future? So is it possible that he is still training his powers like the rest of the Heroes?

Everyone thinks Peter is the most powerful. But I think Sylar is. He can understand anything. And with understanding, comes the shaping of things.

Another intereting note that probably belongs elsewhere; is it possible that Exposed Future Peter thought Present-Day Peter needed Sylar's power to stop a repeat of the Butterfly Effect mentioned in the show of the same name?--Uncanny474 15:16, 14 November 2008 (EST)

A quote I remember sort of

I remember back in season 1, someone said after his attempt at taking Claire's (at least I think it was her)power it would have been his Xth power if he succeeded. I could have sworn it was posted in this article but I can't find it. If someone remembers it could you tell me the number or at least the episode it occurred in. --Snow Leapord 22:52, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Separating lightning?

I think their should be a note between lightning and sound manipulation about how Sylar didn't have to kill to acquire the lightning. We have a note about how he lost his previous abilities between those and his new ones, but now he is acquiring them in a totally new way. -- FlamingTomDude 12:58, 18 November 2008 (EST)

empathic mimicry?

Isn't this enough evidence to say that Sylar has empathic mimicry, and even that he's had it all along? Arthur says he can gain powers by using his empathy, which is essentially the same thing that Peter does, and almost exactly the same canon evidence we have for claiming Peter has that ability (empathic mimicry, iirc, was never a term used in the show). --Stevehim 01:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Is it possible that Sylar was able to retain TK, due to honestly feeling empathy towards the first guy he killed? How would he have gotten into his brain, without his normal slice and dice TK. (Besides the obvious).

Sylar felt horrible after he did it, and it is very possible that the empathy in that situation was enough to give him the power. It would also explain why it is his most used power, because, even though he has mentally snapped, he hasn't forgot about the murder, giving him a very strong link to the ability. Anomy 10:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Check out Behind the Eclipse: Week Seven on CBR :)

  • I have to say that his empathy and aptitude are just the same thing with two aplications, he can either manifest it by studying the brain or take it by emotionaly connecting.--Halfbreed1426 (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Starkness


I just came up for a killer mini story. A guy discovers he has the ability to make himself super hard called starkness and he's enjoying himself then Sylar comes along and SPLAT! all you see is an old guy with no forehead lying on the ground.--Radiowarm2 19:20, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

It's still Intuitive aptitude

Sylar said "I understand now, you need to let it out..." even if he was talking about her bottled up rage, her emotion and guild was tied to her power(when mad her lightning was extra powerful, when attacked she went nuclear; Knox's power works directly with fear, Hiro wasn't very good using his power when doubting himself, etc), perhaps he understood how the power works through Intuitive aptitude and not by her presence( like how Peter gets them). Though Sylar needed more time understanding the power, he eventually got it, and perhaps being exposed to the power (a lot) helped. It would be repetitive if Sylar and Peter had the same power, but now that Sylar can learn powers by visually coping them, he is now a worthy archenemy to Peter since Peter was always one step further than Sylar.
But even if Sylar can duplicate a power now, he still needs to experience it or at least see it, understand the emotions involved and a little practice with it. I doubt he can duplicate biological powers like regeneration but he could duplicate perfect memory. he already has them so its no longer the case, but telepathy he may have trouble with...

If Sylar meets Peter (with his power back) then try to understand how to copy powers by presence alone, then yes, he and Peter would be the same in power.Discipol

Maybe Intuitive Aptitude and Empathic Mimicry are the same thing.

Even in the beginning it was stated the Sylar and Peter's power were two half's of the same coin. Only Sylar's worked with logic whereas Peter used emotion. I believe Sylar is starting to embrace his Emotional side, which would explain why he was able to used Empathic Mimicry. Which would mean they always had the same power, they just used it according to how their mind frame worked.

Granted, Sylar did say he understood how it worked, but he could be referring to empathy.- Rainman

  • Makes sense, but I still don't think it's the same ability, if that was it, we wouldn't have been forced to watch Peter throwing himself of a building that many times, we would have gone straight for the hunger. I think that while different abilities, they have somewhat interchangeable characteristics and effects, much like telepathy with illusion and persuasion. Intuitive Empath 17:04, 18 November 2008 (EST)

While Intuitive Aptitude is very well defined, Empathic Mimicry is not. It is not clear how Peter's body or mind can copy/absorb powers by just proximity. If Peter gets the powers by emotion alone, he could copy any power without even meeting a person. Sylar's power is to understand how things work. Like a super learning machine growing while Peter is like a drop of water merging with other drops. The chick with the aura absorption is the same as the guys by your logic Rainman where Sylar works with logic/information, Peter with emotion and she with the soul. It is o easy for the writers to insert just a little piece of info; just some sentences to change from Intuitive Aptitude and Empathic Mimicry are the same thing or they are not. My vote is for no. 2 characters with the same power sucks as a plot. Discipol

  • I think they explained Peter's power fairly well. Mohinder's comment explains what happens to his DNA when in proximity to other evolved humans. We also have many other characters who have the same abilities. --Stevehim 17:56, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • Sylar absorbed intuitive aptitude from another character. Both Sylar and Peter have empathic mimicry, but intuitive aptitude is a completely different ability, and that's the ability Sylar unlocked first. Two cents. --DocM 17:57, 18 November 2008 (EST)
  • If Sylar has Peter's empathic mimicry, then he has all the powers peter had including rapid cell regeneration from Claire. Peter didn't turn it off like he does other powers (like radioactivity) maybe he can't turn off some powers. It still sucks ass if Sylar has the same power as Peter.......Discipol
  • Well to be fair, Peter did absorb Intuitive Aptitude already. Maybe this is their attempt to even them out. It wouldn't be the first time siblings had the same ability, look at Meredith and Flint. -Rainman
  • We've only seen this new power aspect once, and Sylar did feel bad for what he did to Elle. Maybe he needs to UNDERSTAND how people feel before he takes their power. Gibbeynator
  • I have to say that his empathy and aptitude are just the same thing as his 'father' said, 'you have had this ability all along' meaning that there are different aplications, he can either manifest it by studieing the brain or take it by emotionaly connecting. plus his control index is only 75 persent or so, meaning that he could find other ways to take powers.

New BTE

They specifically say that Sylar's and Peter's abilities aren't different. Should it be changed now? -- FlamingTomDude 2:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

  • Should what be changed to what? Sylar's ability should stay as intuitive aptitude since that's what his assignment tracker profile says. Are you saying that Peter's ability should be changed to be the same thing? Or are you saying that the two power pages should be edited to say that the two powers are very similar? (That's what I got from the BTE.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:15, 25 November 2008 (EST)
    • What I got from that issue is that what Sylar did in absorbing Elle's ability is no different than Peter's ability. Thus, he manifested Peter's ability without realizing that's what he had done.--MiamiVolts Hmm i know i shouldnt be talkin 'bout it on main space but my friends gave Luna a type of intuitive aptitude were she didn't have to kill to get an ability to use it but instead understands it by being in a room with the ability's evolved human,we called it Ranged Intuitive Aptitude its possible that its not fake anymore and sylar has developed this.--Radiowarm2 19:28, 13 March 2009 (EDT) (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah I mean the Behind the Eclipse states that the way Peter and Sylar have acquired abilities is not different. This is an interview by the writers, is it not? Shouldn't this new information outdo the AT? We have it straight from the source that Sylar has Empathic mimicry. -- FlamingTomDude 3:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)
  • The writers can call it Cheese Absorbtion for all I care. The clock sound we hear is a distinct element in ability absorption. Sylar himself described his ability to Peter when he taught him how to use it. Peter and Sylar are not so different. Both need to prove to someone what they are worth. Sylar was just a clock repairman, Peter a nurse. An inferiority complex? Maybe. But Peter never manifested the Hunger until intuitive aptitude was made clear to him. Again, it would SUCK if Peter and Sylar had the same power, even if they are two sides of the same coin bullshit. The girl who steals powers from aura absorption or Arthur's ability( whatever it maybe ) keeps the SUPER superpowers diverse and interesting. I wouldn't mind see a Visual mimicry evolved human that copies powers by sight alone. Or maybe someone that thinks/invents a power and manifests it (sloppy at first until mastering it). Diversity is gold.--Discipol (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)
  • It all comes back to Linderman's Speech on Happiness and Meaning. Peter doesn't care for detail, he sees a power, he takes the power. Sylar sees a power, he has to kill the owner, go deep into their brain and take it by force but is much better at using it than Peter will be and feel guilty about the murder for a while. They could probably both manifest each other's powers if they concentrate enough, as Sylar has already done.--Whap 16:46, 4 December 2008 (EST)

What BTE was this in? I hate it when people say there's a BTE that proves them right, but they don't provide a link to them.--ERROR 23:19, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Cause then we'd have a ton of links to the same site in one page, just go to the interview page of this wiki, links to all BTEs are there, just look for the one whose date is closest to the date the first comment in this section was made. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:38, 14 June 2009 (EDT)