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{{power names|3|eos=iStory writer [[Ryan Gibson Stewart]] stated that [[Pearl]] and [[Trevor]] have the same ability, and it is meant to be called "shattering"}}
{{power names|6|eos=No consensus yet reached on a descriptive name, no canon name}}
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*So, we know Trevor was trying to use his ability on Sylar before he died, which already means that it couldnt be "Shattering" since you cant shatter a person... BUT GET THIS. '''In the season premiere for VILLAINS Sylar uses TELEKINESIS to blow up lights in Claire's house the exact same way... even though the only acquired ability he is supposed to still have is TK....''' Ah, thank you. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 14:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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**Would you happen to have the ability to provide screen captures of that for comparison? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 14:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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** How does that prove anything. We know that's what his power is capable of doing (causing things to break, and since Lights are "conducted" from fragile material of course it "shattered" except the description you gave sounds more like Piper's ability (from Charmed). And her ability is definately not "shattering." --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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**[[Tracy|You]] [[Freezing|can shatter]] [[Jim McCann|a person]]. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 15:08, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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*** That doesn't count because "Jim's" body was manipulated, you can't shatter a human body as is. If the person still has blood, bone, skin and very much alive. By turning "jim's" body to "ice" means he was no longer "as is." --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:35, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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**** Sylar also turned on the lights in Primatech back in season one, doesn't mean he has any electricity related powers. The entire scene of Sylar in the Bennet's house showed TK, and the bulbs exploded because the lights were overcharged, you can see the light getting stronger before it shatters. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 16:25, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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***** [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shatterpoint Shatterpoints] exists, but only to people with a high degree of control over the Force. [[User:Formless|Formless]] 21:27, 22 December 2008 (EST)
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:::You're assuming the same wouldnt happen if Trevor did it to a lightbulb. And Sylar can turn off a light by TKing the switch, so obviously THAT isnt some electro ability. All I'm saying, it was the same effect as the glasses. I just dont have a screen cap. And I never said this was proof. :)--[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 20:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)
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* But wouldn't Trevor's power, whatever it was exactly, be one that Sylar lost due to the Shanti virus? How could he have / use it in Season 3 when he went after Claire if he he'd already lost it and only had Telekinesis and his original IA (if it even is IA)? -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 12:54, 12 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Well my point is that the ability is probably just some version of TK... so no...--[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 19:39, 13 November 2008 (EST)
* Maybe he can just shatter anything brittle: he might have been trying to shatter Sylar's bones, perhaps. --[[User:Immelman|Immelman]] 22:21, 26 December 2008


== Glass exploding (yet again) ==
==Additional images==
*Could I get someone to grab a before-and-after of Trevor starting to aim at Sylar and then getting his hand pinned to the wall? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:49, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** Is this was u need, Ted C --<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;"> [[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ( [[User:Futurepeter|U]] - [[User_talk:Futurepeter|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Futurepeter|C]] ) 10:05, 11 November 2008 (EST)</span>
***Perfect! --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 10:06, 11 November 2008 (EST)


The writers explicitly described the ability as making glass explode. Why haven't we named this article "Glass exploding"? Unless I'm mistaken, BTE counts as a level 3 source according to the naming conventions, making "Glass exploding" rank higher then "Trevor's ability" or any descriptive name we come up with. I've seen several arguments against this ranging from the logical "Trevor tried to use his ability against Sylar, but Sylar isn't made of glass" to the less impressive arguments "Glass exploding is a stupid power". However, we have many abilities that don't cover the entire range of the power (Freezing, telepathy, telescopic vision, etc.) but we haven't changed those names because we were given an explicit name for the power. Also, Trevor was unexpectedly thrown against a wall, he would have fought back with whatever he had out of pure instinct. Then there's the fact that Sylar was wearing glasses, but that's speculative so I won't use it as support.
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Image:Trevor Aiming At Sylar.jpg|[[Trevor]] aiming at [[Sylar]]
Image:Sylar Taking Trevor's Powers.jpg|[[Sylar]] taking [[Trevor]]'s [[Trevor's ability|power]]
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* I don't think Trevor's ability is just glass breaking, because from the images above you can see he aims at Sylar. If Trevor could only break glass then why would he even bother to aim at Sylar?
Why do you need those pictures, Ted C? They don't demonstrate the ability in use.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:44, 1 June 2009 (EDT)


True, we were given names for the aforementioned cases ''before'' the ability violated the name's apparent limits, but is that such a big difference? Some have said that the name was simply the writers being snide and making a point that the ability can't be named, but isn't it much more speculative to say that writers were joking then take an explicitly listed ability name? Taking a name directly out of a quote is simply documenting, but guessing someone's intention from an internet message is making an interpretation of that message, which is apparently something we don't do here.
==Trevors Power...possible naming? ==
um...Im sure most of us are wondering the same thing, Trevors power, i SO thought it was gonna be freezing but no, its like '''TK bullets'''...or '''Air shots''', maybe its the incredible power to make glass shatter...ohhh, thats on my desired list along with Nerve gas sweat and Stank Chlorine breath!--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 22:37, 10 November 2008 (EST)
:My first impression was that it had something to do with pressure... there was also some sort of blue smoke around the shattered glass? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:39, 10 November 2008 (EST)
**I'm really surprised we never saw Sylar use this ability if he did indeed take it. Let's keep it Trevor's ability, but if we do have to name it something right now, it should be noted that each time he used his ability, he made a gun with his hand.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
***Yeah, I ''seriously'' expected it to be freezing. Like, I had absolutely no doubt about it. But I dunno... ._. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:44, 10 November 2008 (EST)
**** I really hoped it'd be [[freezing]] so it would tie up that loose end. Oh well, maybe another time! ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:46, 10 November 2008 (EST))
***** Same. I was like "it's gonna be freezing." Then my jaw dropped a bit.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:46, 10 November 2008 (EST)
OH GOD, please no more "Whoever's Ability" pages..if i see one more of those i'm gonna use Trevors ability on my eyes...just toying with names here...Matter Shatter?....TK bullets?...Air Shots?...Pressurazation(sp)?..so, any takers?--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 22:48, 10 November 2008 (EST)
*Maybe a combination, Matter bullets?--[[User:Sylarversion2|Sylarversion2]] 22:50, 10 November 2008 (EST)
* Mind bullets???
**According to Jack Black, "that's telekinesis, Kyle".--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 23:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)
I suggest "Shattering" (sorry, noob here [[User:Dumpster Juice]]
*Shattering is probably our best bet for right now. Anything else would be too speculative... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:53, 10 November 2008 (EST)
** I agree. Shattering seems like the most accurate description and it's a common power name used in comic books. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (EST)
:Like Thrash said, I assumed it was freezing, because there was some kind of blue smoke around the shattered glass. Glass ''does'' have a tendency to shatter when its temperature changes rapidly... Also, to Riddler, he did seem to make a gun with his hand when he used his ability, but remember, Sylar uses gestures when using TK, so it was probably something like that.--[[User:Hyperdude|Mike]] 22:53, 10 November 2008 (EST)
* The problem is we can't ID exactly what it is. We don't know if he's shooting pressure, air, launching telekinesis, maybe little needles from his finger.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:58, 10 November 2008 (EST)
:* My bet is that it was freezing and he is simply adept with it. We're seeing Tracy begin to form projectiles with her power, perhaps she'll use it in the same way.[[User:Exproject|Exproject]] 22:59, 10 November 2008 (EST)
*I can deal with "Shattering" as long as it's ''NOT'' Trevors Ability!--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 23:02, 10 November 2008 (EST)
* Well, Trevor pointed it at Gabriel, and Gabriel promptly TKed Trevor's arm / hand against the bookcase (or wall or whatever) to prevent Trevor from using it. So, considering Gabriel prevented Trevor from using against him, I'd say it's not merely a "shattering" type of power. I'm not sure what I'd consider it, but I agree that it's likely that the fact that Trevor formed a "gun" is probably significant. -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 23:06, 10 November 2008 (EST)


Yes, I know the rename discussions for this power have been held over and over again, but I had a point to make, and it made more sense to start a new message then to add to an existing one that nobody would ever check again. But as the original argument stated, the writers explicitly said '''''"So the power as we know, is "pointing your finger and making glasses explode.""'''''. I don't see how we can argue against that.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 21:39, 3 January 2010 (EST)
***I'm putting a vote in for '''FINGER BANG''' --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 23:08, 10 November 2008 (EST)
* Well, I'm not so sure, but perhaps you're right. If we're going to assume that the writers actually meant that this ability shouldn't be named, then they should've said something like "Oh, Trevor's power is so random and lame that we haven't thought a name for it". But I don't know...--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 09:38, 7 January 2010 (EST)
*Telekinesis, if Sylar takes it twice it might explain why he kept it. Which is what's hinted at in numerous interviews. --''[[User:Matchu|Matchu]]'' 23:31, 10 November 2008 (EST)
**Agreed. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 09:49, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:::I dunno, MIND BULLETS is good too. I mean, we arent sure if he could kill a yak from 200 yards away.. but that IS telekinesis, Kyle. It's also.. the power to.. MOVE YOU. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 23:33, 10 November 2008 (EST)
*** Referos, I agree with you. The writers were essentially telling us that we shouldn't worry about the name. PJDEP, you use the word "explicit" alot, but incorrectly. When something is explicit, it's direct, it's unquestionable, it's solid. If they were to say "the abilities name is insertnamehere", then it was explicitly named. If "I think" or, in this case, "as we know", is used, or anything to that effect, it still holds a certain level of ambiguity. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 10:34, 7 January 2010 (EST)
*MADE OF WIN. MADE OF WIN. MADE OF WIN. IT'S TELEKINESIS. /love--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:43, 10 November 2008 (EST)
****I didn't exactly mean the name itself was explicit (although I think I may have said that unintentionally), I meant that the description explaining how the ability worked (the quote I have in italics) was explicit. Which it is. And once again, while they ''may'' have been acting sarcastic, unless anyone can prove that they were we can't assume that it wasn't a serious response. We also shouldn't assume that the writers don't want us to worry about the name. I'm not going to exhaust myself arguing for this name, as it honestly doesn't matter to me that much, I just wanted to refute some arguments that weren't entirely correct.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 16:03, 7 January 2010 (EST)
* I don't think hand gun guy is using telekinesis (I'm calling him hand gun guy because his power disappointed me; should've been "freezing"). If it was Telekinesis, I think it would be likely Sylar would've used, since he never did, leads me to believe its not Telekinesis. If Sylar did take his ability, I'm going to call continuity error, because we never seen him use it. While hand gun guy's ability is kind of cool, you wouldn't need to worry about burgulars, or you dropped your gun, you could just use your ability. I still think it was disappointing that they just created random power for Sylar to "steal." But anyway I don't think its telekinesis. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 00:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***** Thinking about it, if it's not our job to interpret sources, then we shouldn't be analysing the irony or humour usage by the writers. They said Trevor explodes glass, so that's what we should use. The fact that they might be joking should, at most, be added to the notes section.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 16:58, 14 January 2010 (EST)
** I don't actually think it's Telekinesis... I just love Tenacious D. =]--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:22, 11 November 2008 (EST)
******Exactly, that's the point I've been trying to make. We don't know for certain whether they were joking or not, and it isn't our place to assume so.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 17:01, 14 January 2010 (EST)
* I'm kinda confused why this is even still under debate. We have no high-level source for naming this power, but look at the description we're using! The ability to SHATTER objects... Shattering is one rung higher on the naming convention, a common name used for powers such as this and is the most accurate name we can currently get for the power. And while Mind bullets is tempting just to homage the greatness of Tenacious D... I think the obvious and correct name for this is shattering. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 02:14, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*******Gotta be honest, hard to argue it really. It would appear he could use it on more than glass, but we're not in a position to speculate. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 17:25, 14 January 2010 (EST)
** Hand gun guy pointed towards Sylar, I doubt Sylar would shatter as is (flesh blood,and bone). So it's a bit speculative on what the power actually does, since we've on seen him use it on glass, which shatters when it breaks. What if he used his ability on a human?--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:21, 11 November 2008 (EST)
******** Let's wait a few weeks. I have a feeling that we might see this power again... :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 14 January 2010 (EST)
*** How do we know he was pointing at Sylar himself? He could have been pointing at his glasses. Or at some glass thing above him. Or perhaps Trevor has never really had to use shattering to defend himself and didn't know if it would work or not. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 13:03, 13 November 2008 (EST)
********* Haha, I'm guessing I should start reading the istories then. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:57, 14 January 2010 (EST)
*Trevor's ability lets him shatter things. Ergo, calling his ability "shattering" is one of the least speculative things we can do. In fact, it's the only thing we can call it, since that's all that has been shown to be done with it.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 03:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
********** Most definitely, my good sir. For many reasons! There are only two chapters of [[Purpose]] right now, so it isn't too much to get caught up. Plus, it's a great read. Should take about 10 tops to read each one, I would think. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
** As I said, he is only shown to "shatter" things that can "Shatter" like glass. It is highly unlikely if "shattering" is all he can do with it since he tried to do use his ability on Sylar. And as far as I know a human body can't shatter as is. And by shatter, I mean something similar to what happened with the glasses. I think it's more likely he's "shooting" the glasses causing the glasses to shatter given his body language when he uses his ability. Hence my nickname for him "Hand Gun Guy" and I believe "Mind Bullets" is more closely related to his ability then shattering. Edit: But I prefer it stay "Trevor's ability" for now. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 03:33, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***********Yes!! haha, any other ''currently'' unnamed abilities that will be appearing? :P --01:03, 15 January 2010 (EST)
*** We never seen him use the ability on a human, or anything other than some glasses. So, using the name "Shattering" is neither too broad nor not broad enough. I'd go with "shattering". [[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 05:13, 11 November 2008 (EST)
************ One at a time, my friend. And you'll get no more secrets from me. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:31, 15 January 2010 (EST)
**** I think the argument is that he was going to use his ability on Sylar, if it only shatters glass or something similar, why would he do this on a human? Therefore "Trevor's ability" is the best way to go for now. --[[User:Rob Riv|Rob Riv]] 07:11, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***** Yes, but for what we've seen, "Shattering" is a good name, since it is entirely possible that he'd shatter Sylar. [[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 07:59, 11 November 2008 (EST)
* How about '''Shatter Attack'''? --<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;"> [[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ( [[User:Futurepeter|U]] - [[User_talk:Futurepeter|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Futurepeter|C]] ) 05:24, 11 November 2008 (EST)</span>
****Shattering is too speculative. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 09:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*****Shattering is actually ''least'' speculative - it's exactly what we've seen him do. [[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 09:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
* FWIW, I'm comfortable with "Shattering" to move it up from 6 to 5 on the naming conventions chart. I'm not too thrilled with telekinesis; you'd think that if he had the full range of telekinesis, he would have done more than just break glasses to demonstrate his ability. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)
* Possibly '''gun mimicry'''? --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 10:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
* He really didn't give any effort into "shooting", his hand did not contract hard or something; maybe its the only way he could control what he did. Maybe he concentrated his power as much as he could. We see him shattering only small fragile objects, he also used both hands on the bottle. Also I didn't saw air bullets or any ripples in the air. The glasses exploded from the inside so if it was a projectile, it should shatter in a direction. Don't tell me its a prop thing, its simple enough for a CGI artist to make. I think its more like Tele-Shattering since he doesn't need to touch the object. I think that the reason his powers where "hand gun"-like was to teach Sylar to concentrate his telekinetic powers into a beam. We have seen Sylar spam telekinesis more than anything. Actually, I never saw Sylar freeze or make radiation for a long time(except exposed future)...I saw in the past that Sylar learns to copy a power without cutting someone's head off but I didn't see it in the show. Is it the finger thing?[[User:Discipol|Discipol]]
**I would think '''Fragmentation''' or '''Disintegration''' would work. I tend to lean towards Fragmentation, though. [[User:Erebus|Erebus]] 12:10, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*Simpliest would be, '''Shattering''', like '''Freezing'''
or '''Melting'''[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 12:26, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*It's actually '''Telekinesis''', '''Psychokinesis''' or '''Air Manipulation'''. Evolved humans have been known devolop their abilities at different times of their lives, e.g. Micah and Sylar. So logically one could devlop different strands of their abilitity. It's like Sylar using his hands and head gestures to use his telekinesis attacks. Trevor simply uses his hands to break an object similar to how Sylar used telekniesis to cut objects. If Trevor was alive he obviously would have devloped this more. --[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 13:03, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**Still too speculative. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 13:06, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** He could manipulate the air to destroy an object - '''Air Manipulation'''. It could be a simple strand of '''Telekinesis'''. In comics, which Heroes is obviously based, Jean Gray, Nate Gray, Franklin Richards could break objects with their mind and this would be classed as '''Telekinesis'''. --[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 13:10, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*** But that's not his power. All we've seen him do is shatter things. The comic book equivalent ... hmm, I dunno. But if you watch episode 6 of the new x-men animated series; there's a mutant who's power is to shatter things. I think that's the best comparison. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 13:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
****Has it occured to anyone that this could be an application of telekinesis or an new ability heavily tied to telekinesis. Maybe Trevor could have the power of force blasts. Its not entirely unheard out. High-level telekinetics from comic books and movies like Jean Grey or Carrie have the ability to release powerful concussive force able to destroy brick walls or causing a car to explode. And if you payed attention, you noticed how weak Gabriel's TK was. For example, in this episode, he could only gently move a basket of silverware and levitate a fork into a sink. Even when he was using it to attack Trevor, all he did was forcefully move Trevor into a bookcase. But in [[Episode:Six Months Ago|Six Months Ago]], when Gabriel was demonstrating "his" power to Chandra, he only meant to move the glass cup across the table like when Brian showed him but instead accidentally hurled it across the room only for it to shatter into tiny pieces when it hit the wall. And I say accidentally, because he apologized to Chandra, saying that he was still working on it. And everything afterward, Sylar uses his power with much more ease and force, able to send Noah flying into a wall about 50 yards away with a strong pointing finger gesture in [[Episode:How to Stop an Exploding Man|How to Stop an Exploding Man]], able to knock Elle senseless and send Noah catapaulting upwards into the cieling in with knife-like hand gestures [[Episode:The Butterfly Effect|The Butterfly Effect]], able to toss Jesse around in [[Episode:One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]] and able to send Claire sprawling and flying into a wall when she tried to run away from him with the same gesture he did to Noah in [[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]. Peter even used it when Sylar attacked him in [[Episode:Parasite|Parasite]] by blasting Sylar away from him and across the room and when he confronted Isaac in [[Episode:Unexpected|Unexpected]]. So, what I'm saying here is that Trevor is telekinetic too. Just a different kind than Brian. And the only reason, Trevor could shatter glass so easily is that glass is much more fragile than the human body. So if Trevor was able to use his force blast on Sylar, Sylar would've just been knocked silly. So when Sylar had absorbed, if you will, Trevor's TK blast power and Brian's ordinary TK, Sylar got the package of high-level TK, able to exert much more force than Brian but able to focus much more control than Trevor. This would possibly explain why Sylar retains this ability no matter what since he got a double dosage. If you would ask me, I would say Trevor's ability would be placed under the telekinesis article. And in that same article, the description of Sylar's telekinesis get a more descriptive definition. It's just like Meredith and Flint. They have the same power but they differ in intensity which gives their flames a distinctive color. And this would also possibly explain why Peter's pyrokinesis was blue and Future Peter's (explosion future) pyrokinesis was orange. If either one of them had come in contact with both of them, who knows. Peter would be able to vary the intensities of his flames at will, changing their colors from blue to orange. You guys have to look at the show differently. There is a reason why they introduced Trevor only to have him killed. Just like there is a reason why they introduced Bridget only to have her die seconds later. They were both instrumental in the change from Gabriel to Sylar and Sylar back to Gabriel. [[User:Titan3510|Titan3510]] 13:21, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*'''I think you should read my above posts, Titan3510'''. As i have already stated that. --[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 13:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** It's a wonderful theory. One I really like. Honestly. But that's what it is... A THEORY. The evidence you guys gave is coincidental at best. Given from what we know of the power the best name is Shattering. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 13:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*** Except glass shatters, that's what it does when it breaks, and if it was only shattering he wouldn't have tried to use it on Sylar, which is what he tried to do. Just the fact he tried to use it on Sylar indicates that it isn't shattering, and it's speculative to assume that's all it does is to shatter things. We've had problems like this before, and we've always left it as (Trevor's Power). And the thr first time I saw it, I could've swore somthing happened with his hands (something invisible came from it) and hit the glass causing it to shatter.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*** Shattering is still speculative. We don't know if he's shooting air, if he's shattering something based on will, or if he's firing tiny little needles out of his fingers. Though he got stopped, he DID point it at Sylar. He probably wouldn't have shattered (though if you wanna look at Heroes physics, anything is possible.) But my point is, though it's possible, it's not 100% certain. We simply can't name it without using speculation, and that's usually no bueno here.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:56, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**** I'd like to refer to the power we call 'Crumpling'. You can't normally crumple a human being either, but in the HeroesVerse, someone was able to. Saying that Sylar can't shatter is much more speculative than saying his offensive gesture shows it isn't shattering. And even in RealVerse physics, the human body has bones! Which can shatter! [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 14:01, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***** I thought of that too, but I didn't mention it because I realized "Crumpling" was named in the comic. Shattering wasn't named anywhere.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)
****** Crumpling is an different ability. Unless we get a good source to explain the ability, like a BTE interview, the only non-speculative way to go is Trevor's ability. Even if it does shatter things, we don't know how: does it make the object vibrate to a shattering point? Does it send some sort of shockwave that does it? We know the effects, but not the mechanism. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
******* I don't understand that argument. The entire point of these abilities is to do something inexplicable. How does Sylar move objects with his mind? How does Elle throw lightning bolts? ... How does Trevor shatter things? I don't know. He just does. That's his ability. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 14:14, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**** Yes but the way "Trevor" uses his ability, Sylar would shatter just like the glass, no not just his bones shatter and his dead, his whole body would shatter not his whole body which is impossible without the power doing something else (turning him to glass or something that does shatter). --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:11, 11 November 2008 (EST)


== Name Suggestion ==
I think it should be named Kinetic Energy Projection
*'''''Still too speculative.'''''<small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**As is shattering. I don't get why noone sees that. Shattering wasn't named, so we don't know the mechanism.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***But we've seen the power used for shattering. It's all we've seen it used to do. It's the least speculative out of everything that's been suggested. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
****The least speculative is the dreaded '''Trevor's ability'''. The only thing we've seen shatter was glass, and that's how glass breaks. We didn't see him break anything else, so to assume everything else DOES shatter is ''speculative''. He could have shot a thin bolt of ice that we can't see on camera because it moves so fast, he could have shot a pin or needle, he could have shot air pressure. We just don't know what he did and what he could do.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:43, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*****If it was a thin bolt of ice, we would certainly have seen it, we can only use two senses to get information from watching TV: vision and hearing, so they either have to use a sound effect and a visual effect, we've seen those for freezing, and neither was used with Trevor. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 04:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)
******Missing my point.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 06:37, 12 November 2008 (EST)
*******And you're missing mine, we can only name the ability based on what we've seen, the only non-speculative name other than Trevor's ability is shattering, cause that's exactly what we've seen him do. When we first saw Donna's power, everyone called it enhanced vision, cause that encompassed all the aspects it showed, but we stuck with Telescopic Vision cause it was explicitly named. Unless that happens in this case, description of the ability is the highest ranking source we have. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 09:59, 12 November 2008 (EST)
******** There's a huge difference. One we basically know what Donna did but we don't know what Trevor did. So the glass shattered? What else is glass supposed to do when it breaks? I still feel that calling it "Shattering" is too speculative. I mean I don't see why the naming conventions aren't equal in everything. For example Future Ando's ability we saw it as "red lightning" and yet it's still too speculative to call it that simply because it's red. Or at one point "Arthur's Ability" "Power theft" was exactly what Arthur did, but it wasn't renamed for awhile. Eric Doyle's power wasn't named until the assignment tracker, even though we knew exactly what he did. So why is "Shattering" different?--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 12:47, 12 November 2008 (EST)
* i think it's some form of finger mimicry, bad name I know but hold on. so far we've seen trevor's ability can mimic what ever his body does, in this case his fingers. kinda like eric's [[puppet master]] ability.
** Wow, that's even more speculative than any other suggestion so far. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 14:47, 12 November 2008 (EST)
*** I'm not seeing any more arguments. I vote re-move it to Trevor's ability.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:46, 12 November 2008 (EST)
id call his ability something like...remote combustion, he's remotely making objects combust.--[[User:Melciah]] 18:12 14 November 2008
*On wikipedia they called his power Kinetic projection.--[[User:Datnymonster]] 15:39 16 november 2008
** I say this with all humility, but ''they'' should be coming to ''us'' for ''Heroes'' information. ;) --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:51, 16 November 2008 (EST)
*I think that the only reason we have SO much trouble naming it is because Trevor tried to use it against Gabriel. If he hadnt tried then we would be able to name it shattering but anyway, my suggestion is naming it Bullet mimicry because of how he tried to use it against Gabriel--[[User:Sylarversion2|Sylarversion2]] 21:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)
* Im thinking that we call it molecular disbonding because thats what it does and souds more funky then shattering--[[User:Titan1129]] 8:49[GMT] 28 November
*I'd call it Telekinetic Explosion --[[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 08:25, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Shattering[[User:50000JH|50000JH]]


I know it sound like an odd name :Caesium hydroxide Mimic. [[User:50000JH]] 11:42, 15 January 2010 (EST)
== Blue Smoke ==
*The chances that it's that specific type of chemical is extremely unlikely and speculative, and there are better names, so it's not the best. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 11:46, 15 January 2010 (EST)
Was the blue smoke a result of Trevor's ability itself, or was it just the blue designs in the glass disintegrating? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 11:01, 11 November 2008 (EST)
There is an old video on You-tube where Caesium is put into water and the reaction is the same when Trevor shoots the glass, plus Caesium and water make caesium hydroxide it can also corrode through glass.User:50000JH 11:56, 15 January 2010 (EST)
* Would there be any way to tell? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*That would be highly speculative, given how little we know about the ability.--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]]
** I was just wondering what people thought. It would be a good tidbit to put into the article itself. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 11:29, 11 November 2008 (EST)
***Judging by [http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/167/87091584nf5.jpg this] and [http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/351/16106395qr4.jpg this], I'm fairly sure the blueness has something to do with the ability. [[User:Revengeance|Revengeance]] 07:38, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****Yup, those definitely make it look like he "explodes" things. I'm wondering if we should reconsider molecular combustion... If seems more than just smoke. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 08:31, 13 November 2008 (EST)
***** The blue glow only occurs the first time he shatters one of the glasses. It is completely absent for the second. This makes the blue glow ... well, questionable. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 00:26, 14 November 2008 (EST)


== Fragmentation ==
== Purpose info ==


Given all the hints a [[User:RyanGibsonStewart|certain admin]] has been dropping around the wiki, I think it's safe to say that Pearl has this ability. Now, I found three references in the iStory, Pearl makes lightbulbs explode, Mulligan feels something like a bullet whiz past his head, and Mulligan refers to a pipe affected by Pearl as "disintegrated". Based on this, it looks like "glass exploding" is out. "Blasting" still seems possible, so that's what I'd vote to go with. Thoughts?--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 22:19, 1 February 2010 (EST)
I think it should be fragmentation because it sounds way cooler
* It definitely was meant to be this ability. I originally wrote almost all references to the ability using the word "shattering". An early version of the script even had Pearl trying to shatter something that wasn't glass, but it wouldn't work. The script has gone through a few revisions since I submitted it (which is normal), and some of the references were changed. Tonight was the first time I saw it say "disintegrated". But no matter, that's part of the process for submitting something and having it approved. The question now is what we name the ability. Personally, I would have gone with "shattering" (which was still used somewhere towards the beginning of the story, I believe), but I'm fine with something else, too. As long as we have something from the story to back it up, that's all that matters. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:43, 2 February 2010 (EST)
:That's a terrible reason to give an ability a name. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 13:44, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** Ryan, I totally respect your writing, but if Pearl's ability to shatter glass was intended to be Trevor's ability, in my opinion you're riding a dangerous line. The main reason this ability is left unnamed is because the uncertainty that he could use it on anything but glass; He did point his fingers at Sylar. By writing that Pearl's ability is the same as these, we ignore what Trevor tried to do. I just think it's very, very iffy to take that side in your writing. That is, if I interpreted what you said right. Editing in: I didn't catch the pipe disintegrating in the story... my point is moot. Open mouth, insert foot.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 00:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*** Right. I was just giving some extra background to the process, and a detail from an early version of the script, which I since changed for a number of reasons. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
****Ryan, do you think the next iStory you write can include some other unnamed abilities? It would be a great oppurtunity to clear up all the retarded debates on what to call what. Something as simple as "This is Amber. She can [[Gordon's ability|turn stuff into sand]]. Her power is called Induced silification. Don't like it? Tough shit." could really turn this wiki around.—[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 01:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**** If I write any more, and the powers make sense in the story, sure. And if I'm looking to lose my job, I'll definitely say, "Tough shit." :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:35, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**** I saw the reference to shattering... I think in one option it said that Pearl 'shattered' an old sink, and then John was able to grab an old metal pipe that was connected to it and hit her. We also saw Pearl aim her finger in an image like Trevor did, if that helps you, Riddler. Still, neither is concrete to say the abilities are one and the same. What would really help from a story perspective would be John Mulligan seeing Pearl use her ability, and then recognizing it from a Primatech case file he had read about Trevor, noting that they seemed to have the same ability. All that said, I don't think we need a story perspective since RGS is the writer and can just tell us his intentions.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:32, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***** My intentions were that Pearl and Trevor had the same ability. I also intended to refer to it as shattering. I actually did have a reference to Trevor in there (something about John remembering a case Noah told him about that really tore at Noah), but it became too wordy, so I cut it out, hoping that the finger gun and descriptions of the ability were enough to connect Pearl to Trevor. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)
****** And we DO NOT have to ignore what Trevor tried to do to Sylar because Pearl tried to do the same thing. She aimed at John but he moved out of the way and the old sink behind him was shattered into many....many pieces. They both aimed for someone. I'm about to do Pearl's bio, what should I change the name to? Shattering good for now? --[[User:William Strauss|William Strauss]] 06:45, 2 February 2010 (EST)
******* I can't move the page to Shattering? Why not? It won't let me --[[User:William Strauss|William Strauss]] 07:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
******** William, if anything you just proved what I meant. She aimed it at a person, but he dodged. If it were to have hit him, what would have happened? He certainly wouldn't have "Shattered". The sink shattered 'cause it's ceramic, like most sinks. Ceramic shatters. Though I'm looking through the story... PJDEP, where does it say she disintegrated the pipe? I can't find it.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 07:58, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*********I think what everyone is forgetting is what could happen is she "shattered" you. Obviously the entire person would not shatter but whose to say your bones would not shatter. Aiming at a person and shattering parts of their skeleton. perfectelly logical. --[[User:&quot;The Listener&quot;|&quot;The Listener&quot;]] 08:02, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*********Riddler, while fighting his way through the Eli clones, the quote is "''John reaches into his overcoat and pulls out the pipe from the sink Pearl disintegrated.''" I read through it to fast and thought the pipe was disintegrated.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 15:21, 2 February 2010 (EST)
* Also William, [[User:Admin|Admin]] had protected this page so no one '''''but''''' administrators could move it. --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 16:23, 2 February 2010 (EST)


== Sylar losing ability because of Shanti Virus ==
== Trevor and Pearl's ability ==
Until we decide upon a name, this ability should be moved to "Trevor and Pearl's ability" because saying that Pearl has "Trevor's ability" makes little sense.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 15:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)
* Maybe Ryan could send Ryan an email asking how the ability should be called?--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 16:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
** Ryan is Ryan... no need for him to e-mail himself. I'll just go ahead and change the name now. Admin had protected it for administrator move only.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:10, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***<small>I think it was a joke</small> --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:12, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**** I feel like we've had this problem before... Why can't I remember where it came up? While it seems a little lengthy and does make sense, I think leaving it as "Trevor's ability" is fine too, since his is the fully-canon name. Either way, really.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)


== The move to Shattering. ==
I don't understand how he lost the shattering ability from the Shanti Virus because he still has telekinesis and induced radiation and im assuming all the other ones he acquired before he had the virus. The only one he lost was the illusion power because he got it when he was still infected with the Shanti virus.
If this is to be called Shattering, I propose a split of the two abilities. Though Ryan's intent was there, the novel does not confirm them to be the same ability. If they are the same ability, once again we cannot call it "shattering": Pearl shot a ceramic sink. Ceramic, like glass, shatters. Furthermore, her intentions were to aim it at a human, just like Trevor did (except he was halted). A human would not shatter. If they were to shoot wood, it would splinter, etc, etc. Ryan, I respect your writing and your intentions, but trying to canonize Trevor's ability as only able to "Shatter" is dangerous. It's be safer to try to canonize it as able to do more, than to say it couldn't. I'd say the same thing to any writer if I had the contact information. The foot came back out of my mouth when PJDEP corrected the statement about disintegration; the pipe wasn't disintegrated, they were referring to the sink that was destroyed itself. So again, if this is to be called Shattering, I believe we need to split the two articles. If they are in fact the same ability, we cannot call it Shattering.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:24, 2 February 2010 (EST)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Yes, he kept telekinesis (for some reason) AND his original ability of intuitive aptitude. He did NOT keep induced radioactivity, but he had managed to reobtain it and precognition by the events of ''[[I Am Become Death]]''. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 19:46, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*The term "shattering" applies to the descriptions used in the show, and by writers (RGS included). The name on its own does not need to document every single aspect of the ability, and Ryan made it clear that there was a bullet-like effect by the ability. Besides, who's to say that if it hit a person, they wouldn't shatter? --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 20:35, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::A little off topic, I think the reason behind Sylar only keeping TK has something to do with the fact Noah said "We've only been able to detect telekinesis, but you seem to have more" when talking to him in season 1. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 08:06, 16 November 2008 (EST)
**Then show an example of a human shattering within the writing. It's an assumption that can't be made. There's a difference in "not needing to describe every aspect" and describing it incorrectly. If it was a bullet-like effect, that still would shatter glass and ceramic, but what if it's used on wood? It'd splinter. If it's used on metal? It'd dent, crack, or be punctured. If Trevor and Pearl didn't aim their fingers at a human, we'd have more leeway calling it shattering, but the fact that they did implies that it has other effects, and that we cannot ignore. Now, Ryan wrote Pearl's ability. His intent may have been for her to be connected to Trevor, but this doesn't mean they are. He even noted himself that it was cut from the writing (and though it's a little different, we never include connections/information from deleted scenes in our canonicity.) If we call her ability Shattering, then we need to keep it split from Trevor. If we keep them combined, we can't call it shattering.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
:::There is a theory that since Telekinesis was Sylar's first duplicated power AND he uses it the most often, it was ingrained in his DNA so deep that not even the Shanti virus could wash it out. In my opinion, I think that's probably the most likely explanation... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:23, 16 November 2008 (EST)
***We cannot show an example, because it has never been effectively used against someone. Who is to say that if it hit someone, their body would not literally shatter? You're arguing that because a person does not normally shatter, this is not what the power would do. However, we are debating an issue about a show featuring [[evolved human|ordinary people]] with [[ability|extraordinary abilities]]. Until we see someone shoot another person with this ability, we cannot use it as evidence one way or another. Thus, the evidence we have is the following: The user points their hand like a gun. They "fire". A bullet-like object flies off. When it hits an object, it breaks (or, as it has been put several times, "shatters"). This is the sum total of the evidence we have, thus "shattering" is an acceptable name, confirmed by Ryan as a writer. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 20:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)
He did keep induced radioactivity because he blew up Odessa in the future
****I meant the writers should show it in the writing. We can't assume it either way, Ricard, but the worse assumption is that it CAN shatter people, since, regardless of this being a show about the extraordinary, it's not normal. If the glass and ceramic broke in a different way, maybe melted or exploded, then you'd have a valid point, but they broke as they normally would if they were shot. And your evidence here is kind of pushing for the point that they should remain split for one reason: When Trevor "shot", nothing actually came out of his fingers. Ryan confirmed his intentions, but also noted that the process made it change a little. The connection to Trevor was dropped, the mention of "disintegration" wasn't in his writing, and the point of her trying to shoot a person and it not working was dropped. I'll repeat this: We can call Pearl's ability "Shattering" due to the specific writer's confirmation, but we can't link it to Trevor's if we do. He didn't write Trevor's ability himself, and the connections were dropped from his writing.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:55, 2 February 2010 (EST)
:I'll say it again: '''He did NOT keep induced radioactivity, but he ''had managed to reobtain it by the events of'' [[I Am Become Death]] ''.''''' Also, he blew up Costa Verde, not Odessa. Additionally, please sign your posts from now on by using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:25, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*****You appear to be the one making assumptions here. Who's to say nothing "came out" of Trevor's fingers? It's not visible, this much is explained by Mulligan's depiction of the events, having felt something whiz past, but not see it. The connection to Trevor was not necessarily "dropped", it was simply not included. This does not imply there is no connection. There is nothing to suggest that the abilities are different in any way. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 21:09, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*Hmm, there's a part in "graphic novel" 110, Viewpoints, where Sylar appears to use his sonic power to kill someone but in the next panel the person is nothing but bones and ash ... which his sonic power has never been shown to do. The only power we know can do this is induced radioactivity.--[[User:Cheapside|Cheapside]] 12:19, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****** If there is no source for a connection, we can't make it. If it wasn't included, it's not canon. Simple as that, it's the same as deleted scenes. And I'm all for the abilities being referred to as the same, but not if they're to be called Shattering. Ryan's intent may not be the same as whoever wrote Trevor's ability. It's essentially a retcon, though not entirely, since neither is completely confirmed to be able to do more or less. Everyone is making an assumption, I'm just making the safer one. In the long run, my opinion is this still needs to be "Possessor's ability". We don't have enough evidence to call it Shattering no matter what was you look at it.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**Yes, but it's not confirmed either way. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 13:07, 13 November 2008 (EST)
******* We're running in circles on this, so I'll just bring it to this: Ryan intended for them to be the same, and he intended to have it be "shattering". If writers on BTE speaking intentions and connections is acceptable naming policy, then so is this. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 21:16, 2 February 2010 (EST)
Also, he didn't get [[illusion]] while he was infected. He all but said it himself. It was also confirmed in an interview.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 18:45, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
******** The intention existed but wasn't included in the writing, so it's not canon. It still doesn't cover the ability. We can drop the debate there if you'd like, but I really can't budge on this.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
********* Ryan's own commentary would qualify as an [[interview]] (Tier 3 as far as canonicity goes), unless I'm mistaken. Which means it is canon. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 21:26, 2 February 2010 (EST)
********** I don't believe it counts as canon information regardless of an interview unless it was demonstrated somewhere. Otherwise there is probably alot of stuff we need to go back and archive/change. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:32, 2 February 2010 (EST)
* Ryan explained the direct written connection was dropped only because it was too verbose. However, the connection in art, pointing the finger in the same manner, was kept, so I think we can use that as a confirmation, if we need to.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 21:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
** I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:04, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***** Can i just point out that your arguement seems to be that the body would not shatter? That is all very well but at no point has a character made mention of that being their aim. Would it not be better to assume as an offensive ability against a human , they would use it to shatter the targets Bone structure... which i believe fits in perfectly fine with the ability, so much so, i actually had to make an account to say so. Simply because your arguement seemed so fixated on the idea of a shattering body. Basically in my view, they would shatter the bone. Thus calling it shattering is fitting and the users would have a use for it against a human and the writers a simple way to write it being used on one. You could argue it would not pass by the flesh of the target but that to me would be another endless arguement no-one would want to read..--[[User:RoninNight|RoninNight]] 02:26, 3 February 2010 (GMT)
****** Well, that's also fine and dandy, but now look at it this way: What happens if he aims it at wood or metal? Saying it's the bones that will shatter supports the idea that whatever is being shot is breaking the way it's supposed to. Glass/Bones/Ceramic = Shatter. Wood = Splinter, etc. And I'm not trying to cause an endless argument, but debating my stance on the issue and I've yet to see a counterpoint that can change my mind.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:33, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*******The writer of that iStory specifically said Pearl has the same ability as Trevor, and that he meant for it to be called "Shattering". Just because that writer happens to be on the wiki does not make his statement any less useable. When a writer explains the same sort of thing in an interview, we take into account what they have said and use it. There is no need for an interview here. He wants it to be the same as Trevor's, so it is. Every example of the ability we ''have seen up to this point'' has caused an object to shatter, so it is called shattering. Talking about what ''would'' or ''may'' happen is entirely speculative. Our job is to document what we see in the Heroes universe, not make assumptions or educated guesses. We have only seen it shatter things, so it is called shattering. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 21:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
******* No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
******** Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
********* What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*********Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)
********** Both Pearl and Trevor used ''the exact same gesture'' when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)


==Yes!==
== Shattering -> Molecular Combustion ==
This is so fantastic! Heroes Wiki is almost soandso's ability free! Disintegration, Shattering, Healing Touch, Activation and Deactivation, names that describe the abilities fine and are not confusing(well Healing Touch is a bit, but maybe we can think of a better name, Life force control perhaps, or just healing.) We just need to crack a few more. Sadly, Future Terrorist is dead and gone, but i think we haven't seen the end of this, Melting Beam Emission works fine for me. Gordon Tovey, if i'm not mistaken, should be returning or at least be mentioned again, and to be honest, i think, since we use Freezing for Tracy's ability to manipulate, turn into, and shoot water, we can use Sand manipulation, or mimicry, or perhaps mutation, because despite being a bit incorrect, it certainly works. Silification was always a favourite of mine though. I still think David, Mohinder, and Elephant Man all had the same form of ability, an uncatalysed synthetic ability that went wrong. It's clear it's not just a normal one. For Joseph, Emotion or Empathic Manipulation is really canon, Samuel says something like 'don't alter my emotions' and for Ricky, well, it's ongoing, so hopefully we'll get more soon. For now the best i can think is Dissolving. And for Alejandro, Poison Emisson Supression sounds pretty correct, or something like that. For me, soandso's ability abilities are more annoying than red links, because they just don't work as a name. We can do this! [[User:MIDAS|MIDAS]] 13:58, 4 February 2010 (EST)


==Do you tink more of the ability will be shown next week?==
Does anyone of you remember the show Charmed.


Or is the story over? I really would prefer it if the ability will be shown used on a human, so that the debate on what will happen if the ability is used on a human, would it shatter just the bones or the whole person as it is? Someone here is a writer there, right? So if anyone can confirm if the ability will furthermore be used, please answer me.--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]] 16:12, February 6 2010
This show also had abilities etc. There was one ability the middle sister had, Piper. She could put molecules in a temporal stasis, freezing time. But later on in the show she could also increase their speed, causing them to combust, explode. Due to this she could cause explosions.
* Hi, Realistic. I wrote [[chapter 5 of Purpose]]. No, I don't think this ability will be seen in the next iStory chapter. I haven't read chapter 6 yet, but it was being written at the same time as chapter 5. When I read the outline for chapter 6, Pearl wasn't included in the story. So unfortunately, we'll have to wait until some other time to hopefully see this power again. It's a favorite of mine! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 03:54, 6 February 2010 (EST)

So my question or idea is to call this ability Molecular Combustion. Cuz shattering doesn't quite put this ability into one name.

Molecular Combustion... going once, going twice? [[User:DarthYotho|DarthYotho]] 08:01, 12 November 2008 (EST)

* I don't think we can reasonably conclude that this is how Trevor's ability works, nor do I think the term is in sufficiently common use to justify invoking Naming Convention rule 4. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:23, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Actually the heroes '''offical''' magazine reerred to it as this. And yes I also watch Charmed and I too can see that Trevor's ability looks exactly the same as Piper's (which is molecular combustion) the objects blow up in the same way, they both have to use hand gestures to make it work. I think form this we can safely use Molecular Combstion as the name. Any objections?

I also beg to differ about naming convention rule four, I mean, what's wrong with calling it Molecular Combustion? Its better than "Trevor's ability" and the name is from another work where'' the power looks exactly the same'', even down to how its triggered (hand gestures).

Also I'd think the Heroes Official Magazine name would come under either rule 2 or 3, that means there are three rules supporting this name under the naming convention as opposed to th other which don't have much of a leg to stand on, shouldn't that be enough?

[[User:Wiccid|Wiccid]] 19:35, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

* Yes, I object. I'd like to know who wrote the article in the [[magazine]] (which, I might point out, is not a [[canon]] source--it's a secondary source, at best), and where they got their information. I think "molecular combustion" would be a fine name, if it came from a writer, a producer, or another official source. The magazine article's writer may or may not be an official source. Saying one name is better than another is a matter of opinion. I'm not a big fan of calling it "Trevor's ability" either, but at least we know it's not a speculative name. Remember, the wiki's purpose is to archive information, not to create cool-sounding names for abilities. If the information comes from an official source, that's one thing. But if it comes from a magazine writer who may or may not have access to an official source, that's another thing. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:53, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

== Trevor's Power... Possible Naming? ==

Why don't you just call it "Psychic Gun?" He made the "gun" gesture, seems like a pistol-like power to me. -- Signyour Poste
:No. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:56, 13 November 2008 (EST)
What he said. Also, sign your post, mystery poster (Gosh darnit, <b>I</b> just became a mystery poster... Fixing that right now.).--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:55, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

==The problem with "Shattering"==
For now, "Trevor's ability" should be where this article resides because of the naming conventions- here's why: "Shattering" Does Not describe the ability, but rather, the '''effects''' seen so far of said ability. Clearly there is some sort of mental ability at use here, which Trevor focuses through his hand just like Sylar does with TK. Calling this ability based on what we've seen is like calling Telekinesis "Object movement/ Head slicing" based on the general end-result of its use. Here's a second vote for Trevor's Ability (sadly). --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 19:49, 13 November 2008 (EST)
* Agreed, cuz shattering isn't the right naming either. Changed it back to [[Trevor's ability]]. We have to wait, for the same reasons as to why the [[Alejandro's ability]] is still named that.[[User:DarthYotho|DarthYotho]] 06:02, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**Why did you change it, did an "administrator", agreed with you two? [[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 07:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*** An administrator does not need to agree or give his blessing or anything like that for a page to be moved. However, the community does. From what I'm reading, I don't see any clear consensus on what the name should be. A [[#Consensus check|consensus check]] is a good step in that direction. If the name does get changed, though, the page should be moved using the "move" link at the top of the page, not cut and pasted into a new ability name. That way the history is moved and redirects are created. And for the record, I don't really have any opinion on which of the two names ("Shattering" and "Trevor's ability") is better, though I think they're the two most non-speculative ones that match Heroes Wiki's [[naming conventions]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:21, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*Yes, but the ability can't be accurately described without speculating. For telekinesis, they gave us more than enough information for a proper name. The term was even used in the show. For this ability, however, they didn't describe it verbally at all, so what do we have to work with? We only have what we see, the effects. I doubt that they're going to go back to this ability, so waiting for more information would be pointless. Shattering is good enough for now. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 00:51, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

==Consensus check==

===Shattering===

# I vote for this one - the show didn't give any sources for Melting and Freezing either. And this is the simpliest as we can get. Also, it is descriptive. According to the Ability Naming Conventions, description is a higher level than using the possessor's name. As simple as that. --[[User:Pierre|Pierre]] 08:27, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#Descriptive and totally not speculative. [[User:Chrisyu357|Chrisyu357]] 09:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)
# I couldn't agree more about shattering and we also should really change the name of Alejandro's abilty.
# I vote for this one. As the "discussion" in "[http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Puppet_master#Bring_back_the_.22Eric.27s_Ability.22_name_at_the_current_time.2C_till_we_find_the_answer Puppet master]" name says. "leaving the name with the error would still be better than not having the name at all".[[User:Witchy2006|Witchy2006]] 09:20, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:*As a note, the error mentioned in Puppet Master had to do with a given name with a grammatical error, not speculation.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 09:26, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:**Take a look at the discussion that I made, about bringing back, "Eric's ability" instead of "Puppet master"....... its entitled '[http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Puppet_master#Bring_back_the_.22Eric.27s_Ability.22_name_at_the_current_time.2C_till_we_find_the_answer Bring back the "Eric's Ability" name at the current time, till we find the answer]', its on the bottom...A lot of people disagree's about this idea --09:31, 14 November 2008 (EST)[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]]
# I also vote for Shattering... My argument for it is below. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 13:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)
# I vote for Shattering... it is descriptive. If we never learn anything else about Trevor's ability, this is all we can assume. I still think it could potentially still be freezing though. --[[User:Dumpster juice|Dumpster juice]] 13:15, 16 November 2008 (EST)
# Both shattering and Trevor's ability are the least speculative of all of the options... why not just give it a name instead of sticking ourselves with another "-'s ability"? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:38, 16 November 2008 (EST)
# Until we ask what his power was in an interview, we should stick with the only thing his power has been shown to do. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 14:31, 17 November 2008 (EST)
# C'mon, it's the least speculative, most accurate and least ridiculous of all the options out there. --[[User:Litox|Litox]] 23:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)
# I vote Shattering. It's the best and probably only description we're gonna have. If we're going to keep calling abilities by the persons name, why not change all of them! --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 02:17, 21 November 2008 (EST)
# I vote Shattering becuase of this [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 interview ] which the creators clearly say that Trevor's Ablity is to shatter glasses, which is why [[Sylar]] hasn't used it. Is that enough? --[[User:Ruan Right|Ruan]] 8:35 25 November 2008 (EST)
# I vote Shattering. It is simple and obvious
# I think it's better, it makes more sense that melting, which doesn't look anything like melting. --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:53, 26 February 2009 (EST)
#* I'm not voting one way or another right now, but I just wanted to point out that the writers never used the word "shattering". They said, "So the power as we know, is 'pointing your finger and making glasses explode.'" -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)
# I agree with shattering --{{User:Danko/Signature}} 18:13, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

===Trevor's ability===
# --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 08:03, 14 November 2008 (EST) - The only non-speculative option.(There are indeed sources for Melting and Freezing.)
# --[[User:DarthYotho|Darth Yotho]] 14:56, 14 November 2008 (EST) - I agree with Riddler on the non-speculative option, cuz Shattering doesn't quite put this ability together into one word. Because the object that he manipulates or controls or affects with his ability THAT shatters .. but that doesn't tell us anything about the ability/act he preforms that triggers this. I think he can explode stuff by messing with Molecules etc. Well just have to wait.
#:: {{minus}}A lot of people disagreed about this kind of idea in the "[http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Puppet_master#Bring_back_the_.22Eric.27s_Ability.22_name_at_the_current_time.2C_till_we_find_the_answer Puppet master]" discussion page...--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 09:34, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:::Puppet master was explicitly named whereas Shattering wasn't. Also, you only need to comment in one section about it.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 09:36, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:::: Exactly why I said "kind of idea"--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 09:40, 14 November 2008 (EST)'
#::::::: Puppet master was a complete different discussion - there we had a near-canon source. If we only stick to the conventions, then we don't need this polls. --[[User:Pierre|Pierre]] 09:54, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#::::::::Oh my days man...which side are you on? lol[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 10:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:::::::::Always siding with the conventions... wish everyone did so - it would keep us off these discussions. If everyone actually ''read'' what we have agreed on, we could spend time writing articles, not arguing on something that we already have agreed on. *sigh* --[[User:Pierre|Pierre]] 10:42, 14 November 2008 (EST)
# --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:50, 14 November 2008 (EST) - Unless we actually get some proof that it's more than Shattering "Glass" it should be named Trevor's Ability. Just because Glass shatters, isn't enough to call it that. It is too speculative to call it "Shattering"
#:::We ought to remember that what we talk about is Trevor's ''known'' ability. Which is shattering. --[[User:Pierre|Pierre]] 09:53, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:::: Can someone fix my number? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:02, 14 November 2008 (EST)
# --[[User:GabrielPetrelli|GabrielPetrelli]] 10:16, 14 November 2008 (EST) Shattering is indeed too speculative. This isn't comparable to the Puppet Master debate. See Admin's post in the below section as well.
#: Fixed your number, as I see how it's done, and thanks to the person who fixed mine. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:19, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#:: Perhaps not, it appears I was too slow --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
# --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:09, 14 November 2008 (EST) I don't think we have enough information to go with anything else right now.
#Duh. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 17:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#[[User:SPARTAN-077|SPARTAN-077]] 17:46, 14 November 2008 (EST)
#[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 00:49, 17 November 2008 (EST) Until or unless we see anything more conclusive, we can't make any claims as to what exactly it is he does.
# -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}}
# As sad and uncreative the name sounds, and will forever sound, this one does not speculate. I am sure there is middle ground though. Maybe "Glass-Breaking Ability", cause it talks about the effect of the ability, not what it ''is''. --[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] 19:13, 11 December 2008 (EST)

===Glass Breaking ===

# I change my vote for this one because of the [http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Trevor's_ability#Secondary_Source.3F source] that MiamiVolts found.--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 14:09, 14 November 2008 (EST)
I like it (Not really, but I'd like to use this.). Let's use this. It's the best name we got, next to "shattering" and "blasting," which are quite similar. Those are our only options, I think (Besides "Trevor's ability." And, yes, there were other suggestions, which I think have been officially shot down), so we should just stop bringing up suggestions, and focus solely on reaching a consensus for any of those. I'm actually fine with any of those (Besides "Trevor's ability," of course. Don't wanna use that), but should it come to that... I'd pick "glass shattering," because it's all we've seen him do, and it was given to us by a writer, whereas the other two are names made by us.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 22:23, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

== Name change debate continued. ==

I should be writing an essay. Instead I'm letting my stubbornness get to me. I digress. There is a huge difference between Shattering and every other ability listed (Melting, Freezing, Puppet master, etc.) Every other ability has a source for their name. Melting is taken from it's description where "the ability to melt" is mentioned. Freezing is named when Sylar says he refers to his ability has freezing things. Puppet master is explicitly named in Eric Doyle's assignment tracker. Though these may not be the best of names, in each case there is a reference to it's mechanism, and each ability was thusly named. Shattering, however, has never been referenced to. None of the three, Gabriel, Elle, or Trevor, say the words '''Shatter''', '''Shattering''', or '''Shatters''' to pull the name "Shattering" from. The only thing we've seen him use his ability on was glass, and that's how glass breaks. If it would have liquefied, imploded, or vanished, then we'd be able to describe it because glass doesn't normally do any of those things. But we can't, because we haven't seen any other examples. If he used it on wood, and the wood broke into pieces, would we call it ''Splintering''? What if we saw him use it on the wood AND the glass, and thus have contradicting names? He was going to use it on Sylar, and unless Sylar was frozen (ignoring Heroes physics for the sake of argument), he physically couldn't shatter as the glass did. I have to get back to my essay, so I'll rest my case for now, but I'll come back to this later today.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 09:52, 14 November 2008 (EST)
* If you're saying it should be renamed to "Trevor's ability", I completely agree. I think it was a mistake to rename this shattering in the first place without a full consensus (which clearly doesn't exist currently) or say an assignment tracker entry. There doesn't have to be consensus to move it back to "Trevor's ability", that's the appropriate name for it per the [[naming convention]]. A descriptive name '''must''' still pass consensus before it can be used, and this one doesn't. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:57, 14 November 2008 (EST))
** Sorry I didn't note that in this argument. Yeah, I'm for Trevor's ability, even if it is getting old naming abilities with people's names. =P--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 10:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*** Riddler, if the essay you're writing is as well-written as the persuasive post you wrote above, you should get a good grade! :) "Shattering" is a good name, but it's not the best. I originally thought that Elle said something about the glasses shattering, which is why I didn't mind the move to "shattering". However, I rewatched the scenes, and there is no mention whatsoever of what Trevor can do, nor about the effects of what he can do. That means that the page was moved without consensus, and the most non-speculative name would be "Trevor's ability". I'll move it that way now and the discussion can be about moving it to a different name that still fits the [[naming convention]]. If there is a clear consensus for another name (which there isn't), then we can move it to the name that the community agrees on. Until then, it needs to be "Trevor's ability." ... And for the record (because I seem to often represent the unpopular opinion), I'm personally not a fan of the "Soandso's ability" names--I just don't like them. But naming an article (and especially an ability) is less about what a person personally likes or dislikes. It's not about what sounds good, sounds cool, or sounds scientific. It's about following [[naming conventions]], chronicling what we see in the show, and being the least speculative that we can be. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:49, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**** Haha, thanks, though I'm pretty sure I had a few grammatical errors above. Off topic a little, the essay I wrote was literally last minute (the comment I posted was at 9:52, my class was at 11:00, when it was due. Procrastination at it's best. It was about 4 pages into the 6 pages I had to write.) It was for Psychology, about Oppositional Defiant Disorder. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:01, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**** Argg... I thought this debate was over, but I shall argue my own case. But first I'd like to say I am simply playing Devil's Advocate and mean no offense to Riddler's well thought viewpoint. ... Riddler's main argument against 'Shattering' is our lack of knowledge about the mechanism by which the power works. The way I see it, this is a moot point. How does Nathan fly? Should we have a similar argument on Flight's page as we are unaware of the method if Nathan bends the air around him, or is immune to the effects of gravity, or if he floats on Tinkerbell's magical fairy dust? I'm aware that flight has a canon source and shattering is nowhere even close to that, but the point is the mechanism by which these characters do the things they do is, well, not needed here. Nathan can fly. I don't know he does it, he just does. Back to Trevor's ability, let's review exactly what we saw him do: shatter two glasses, just by pointing at them. How did he do it? No idea, but there's no doubt in anyone's mind that he SHATTERED those objects. Yes, I know he raised his finger at Sylar to defend himself, but it's purely speculative what would have happened Sylar might have shattered into a million pieces, or nothing at all might happen and Trevor was just raising his finger to try an scare Sylar. The point that everything about this power is speculative, except for the fact that he shattered glasses. Shattering is a name that is completely descriptive of what we've seen Trevor actually do. No speculation. No guessing. Just the evidence provided in the show. ... And I'm done. Hope that was as good as Riddler's... [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]]
***** Without going into another semi essay (I'm tired of writing today =P), though Shattering covers what we've seen, it doesn't cover other possibilities. To assume that's the only thing it does is what makes it speculative, and we shouldn't name it that way. Sure, we don't know the mechanism behind flight, and we've named it based on what we know, but there's a difference. Though we don't know the mechanism, it's been named. In Trevor's case, it's neither been named nor do we know the mechanism. To go with anything other than Trevor's ability is to be speculative. As I said earlier, had the glass liquefied or something other than shattered, we'd have a case, but since glass naturally breaks by shattering, we can't assume everything else will shatter.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:25, 14 November 2008 (EST)
****** Shattering seems like a good name choice, but since he pointed his fingers at Sylar, perhaps we should consider something like Disintegration instead? (Although names invented by us would not have any canon sources.) A name that clearly describes his ability is the best, and some of the names put forward don't seem to do that. --[[User:WeatherWitch|WeatherWitch]] 14:57, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*I think the power that is called Trevor's Power should be called Piercing. He points, does the 'pow' thing, and the glass shatters. Presumably, some form of energy emits from his fingertip. I believe this is the power that Sylar uses to slice off the tops of peoples' heads. Note that when Sylar obtained his telekenesis power that he bashed the guy's head in, and I don't remember him slicing the skull in that particular case. I think this was immediately before he tried to commit suicide, and that Trevor was his next victim. And when he wanted to get the illusion power from the girl that was taking care of him at the beginning of season 2, he smashes her head in and is surprised when he doesn't have her power. This means that Sylar does not actually need to slice open skulls, just that he needs to kill the people. We also don't see him slicing open Trevor's skull by pointing. I'm pretty sure the episode doesn't go quite that far into detail. As to why Trevor does the 'pow' action, it may be that the first time he manifested he did that, and associated it in his mind after that. So he probably doesn't really need to actuate his thumb to make his power work. I postulate a beam of narrow invisible beam of kinetic energy. --[[User:Bertman|Bertman]] 18:37, 8 December 2008 (EST)
**TK is definitely the power he uses to do that see the [[:Image:Sylar (Painted By Usutu).jpg|painting]] and the [[:Image:Brain Removal Realization.jpg|realization]]. He was pointing at Trevor. He smashed Candice's head because he didn't have his telekinesis, when he's done, we see him with a shard or the mug he used in his hand, we don't see her head, but it's one of those moments that you don't need to watch to know what happened and how. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:55, 8 December 2008 (EST)

==Secondary Source?==
If you listen to the [http://www.hulu.com/watch/43394/heroes-villains---commentary commentary for ''Villains''] (5th segment), executive producer/director [[Allan Arkush]] describes the ability. He says Trevor is like "I am so cool. I can break glasses." So isn't that a secondary source for 'glass breaking'?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*finally, a canon source. Other words for "break", "shatter" and "fracture"....[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 13:33, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**And I think its not only "glass", because Trevor tried attacking Sylar, unsuccessful though. But let's say he is successful, what's he gonna do, shatter Sylar even though he's not glass.[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 13:36, 14 November 2008 (EST)
** It's not a canon source. Only the episodes themselves are canon; please don't lose sight of that. It is a source, though, so we should not change the word "break" to something else like "shatter" or "fracture". Also, as a secondary source, it trumps whatever descriptive name we could come up with in deciding a name. It may be able to harm other things besides glass, but we have no proof of that. In fact, Trevor's failure to use his ability on Sylar supports the theory that it doesn't work on other things besides glass. In any case, we should not speculate and so should use what we were given.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:40, 14 November 2008 (EST)
***Actually, Trevor failed from attacking Sylar because Sylar used telekinesis to hold Trevor's hands up, leaving him powerless. And what is the point of Trevor trying to attack Sylar if he knows that it won't even affect humans, he's already had the ability since before, then he might already have known what he's abilities can actually do.--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 13:46, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**** Or Trevor might not know what it can do. For all we know, Trevor could have just been trying to break Gabriel's eyeglasses, so he could distract him and make a 'break' for it. What you're saying is a good theory, but it's speculation. We don't have to speculate since we have a secondary source for the name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:52, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*****"Glass breaking" works for me anyways...since we have a source, we can finally have a name for it :D--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 13:58, 14 November 2008 (EST)
* I'm not comfortable with defining a name based on a statement as general as "I can break glasses." It's not a specific claim but rather a consequence of whatever it is he really can do. I think we need a more concrete source. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 13:59, 14 November 2008 (EST))
**But it is the same thing happened to "melting" isn't it, the name was used because it was mentioned that Zane Taylor can "melt" things, I'm not really sure where it was said, but I'm sure not in the show, and yet you guys used it as a source.--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 14:04, 14 November 2008 (EST)
** We began naming abilities with 'I can fly' for 'flight'. Yes, there was also 'human flight potential' in the Genesis files, but that was never brought up. I think you're making this harder than it needs to be, Admin.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:12, 14 November 2008 (EST)
*** From my perspective going with "glass breaking" oversimplifying it so it's simply a matter of perspective. Let's see how other people feel about calling it "glass breaking", though. I'm just saying I don't think "I can break glasses" is a concrete explanation of an ability that requires it to be named that, but rather a general consequence of whatever his ability is. If I'm telekinetic and I say I can turn lights on, you wouldn't know if I was telekinetic, or if I could generate electricity, or if the ability is somehow simply to turn lights on in some unspecified manner. It's subjective, and I personally don't get a very confident feeling from the general statement "I can break glasses" to believe that the ability should be named that. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:03, 14 November 2008 (EST))
**** I hate internet explorer, I just had a nice paragraph typed out but an edit conflict made it go away, and when I clicked back it was erased. =[. Eh, here it goes again. For Melting, it's name is derived from a comment but solidified with Sylar's assignment tracker, where it says "ability to melt." Melting was pulled from that. Now, I didn't watch the commentary so I don't know the context that quote was used in, but if I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like he was pretending to be inside Trevor's head and was joking. Now normally I'd say this would be a decent source, but we've refrained from using "joking" in the past ([[Talk:Future Ando's ability|Red lightning]]), and in that case, it was named explicitly, unlike what we have here. Miami, for your argument, "I can fly" brings us to "Flight" as it's a common ability name. "I can break glass" doesn't lead us anywhere, as there isn't a common ability name to go with it. Glass breaking would be the best bet, but again, we don't know the exact mechanism behind it, and he did try to use it on Sylar, so we don't know. If we use this as a source, we have to go back and name Ando's ability, and likely a few other "soandso's ability"'s.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 15:18, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**** I agree with Admin. Allan said "I can break glasses" to show Trevor's cockiness, not to describe or name his power. I don't think "breaking" or anything derived from it sounds like a good alternative at this point. Plus, it completely ignores the "finger gun" aspect of the ability, which is pretty unique and very pronounced. Has anybody sent the question in to CBR? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
***** I agree with the main point (both Ryan's and Admin's), but I don't think the "finger gun" aspect should matter in terms of ability naming, since we essentially ignored Knox's "fear sensing" which is even more pronounced and unique (I realize it's a slightly different case, since we have a near-canon source for Knox). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:38, 14 November 2008 (EST)
****** Admin, thanks for explaining your perspective. I think that without an insight on how the ability works, we are left with what it does. It seems to me that what you are trying to say is that it's too broad a name, as a number of existing abilities could accomplish the same thing. But as to that I'd point out that in this case, we have an ability that just breaks glass as far as we know, and other abilities (i.e. lightning, telekinesis) that also have other applications that we know. Does that help?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:09, 14 November 2008 (EST)
****** Ryan, I already sent in a couple questions to CBR last night (not about this issue), which was the deadline for this Monday's answers, but if someone wants to try and send a question about this now (for the following week?), please refrain from baiting them as it could mean their answer is less likely to help us. As to the 'finger gun' aspect, Elle has done that too with her lightning ability, what she calls 'sharpshooting'--I don't see the relevance to the name 'lightning'. As for Allan's intentions, I find it hard to see the relevance of that as trying to interpret his intentions is very subjective, and I think that is something we should avoid.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:09, 14 November 2008 (EST)
****** Riddler, we have used commentary comments to help us with naming before, so this is not something new. As for Ando's ability, the only comment was from the actor. In this case, we have an executive producer for the show who has given us a comment, and we tend to trust the producers/directors more as they are in charge of presenting to us the episodes.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:09, 14 November 2008 (EST)
******* We had a comment from the writers in CBR for Red lightning, but it was brushed off because it came off as "joking", hence my point.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:11, 14 November 2008 (EST)
******** I think you mean from [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 Week 6]? The comment didn't seem like it was joking to me, but it didn't directly tie Ando's ability to "red lightning" either.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 20:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**** I don't even know if we can trust the CBR interview. How serious are they going to be when they are asked "What's Trevor's Ability?"--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:43, 14 November 2008 (EST)
***** It depends on their mood sometimes. :) If the question is more open-ended like, "Could you elaborate on what Trevor's ability actually was?" and they're in a good mood then you may get a useful answer. If they're baited with answers or there's any more to the question then you risk them focusing on that and getting a less useful answer. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:51, 14 November 2008 (EST))



== Reasonable Assumptions ==

All we see Trevor's ability do is break a wine glass. That's not terribly impressive, as gravity tends to do that if a wine glass falls from a height of more than a foot or two. If he could just shatter objects, why not shatter the ceiling while his finger was pointed straight up by Sylar's TK? Why not shatter the wall behind him and escape? Clearly, if he had this capacity, the writers would have shown this by having Trevor perform one of these acts.

Trevor's ability appeared to be a specified type of telekinesis. This would be consistent with powers as we've seen them already, tending towards certain "families". We have regenerative powers ([[Adam]], [[Claire]], and [[Linderman]]), thermokinetic powers ([[Tracy]], [[Flint]], and [[Meredith]]), mind-altering powers ([[Eden]], [[Matt]], and [[Maury]]), metapowers ([[Peter]], [[Arthur]], [[Sylar]] and [[The Haitian]]), telekinetic powers ([[Brian Davis|Brian]], [[Nathan]], and presumably [[Trevor]])...the list goes on.

My point is this : the explanation of what we saw as a type of telekinetic "push", "punch", or "impulse" is simplest, and most consistent with what we've already seen. I don't think we've seen too many examples of "make anything explode" powers that would support any other conclusion. [[User:BudgetMessiah|BudgetMessiah]] 14:09, 14 November 2008 (EST)

**The problem is, he's dead, I don't think the writers are gonna comeback for it just to explain what the ability is. I'm thinking this power will end up like Alejandro's.--[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 14:11, 14 November 2008 (EST)
::That's also a good point, and although this is invoking a little bit of real-world-to-fiction metaknowledge, I think the writers might have chosen to make Trevor's power somewhat redundant to what we already know Sylar's abilities to be. That is, they gave him an ability that is, for all intents and purposes, the same TK we've known Sylar to have for years, so that they don't have to explain why we've never seen him use some new type of power he gained back in his early criminal days (many people have claimed Trevor used cryokinesis for exactly this reason: we're already familiar with Sylar using that power as well).
::Conversely, if Trevor's power was to shatter anything and everything, then it begs the question, "why hasn't Sylar been using this power left and right throughout the series?" It's one of the first he ever gained, so why not utilize it, considering it's one of his first and presumably most familiar skills? [[User:BudgetMessiah|BudgetMessiah]] 15:20, 14 November 2008 (EST)
* I've seen promotional stills from episode 10 [http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/2008/10/episode-310-eclipse-part-1-promotional.html] where it appears that Sylar is using this ability, although I may be wrong. --[[User:Giveitdeath|Giveitdeath]] 16:00, 14 November 2008 (EST)
** If so, perhaps this will prove the theory that [[rapid cellular regeneration]] will allow Sylar to regain his abilities lost to the Shanti virus. [[User:GabrielPetrelli|GabrielPetrelli]] 16:25, 14 November 2008 (EST)
** That would be neat to see, especially if he does the gun thing with his fingers as a callback. [[User:BudgetMessiah|BudgetMessiah]] 16:45, 14 November 2008 (EST)

=="Molecular Combustion" / "Glass Breaking"==
As many obviously know; combustion implies heat thus fire. When Trevor used his ability there was no fire or heat indication whatsoever! The person who recommended this copied the terminology of Piper's ability from Charmed and even when she uses it you clearly see a flash of orangey-read which implies fire. Glass Breaking... Alas incorrect. If Trevor can only break glass why would he attempt to use his ability on Sylar? Because he knew he could hurt him thus it affects all kinds of matter, possibly organic.--[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 14:33, 16 November 2008 (EST)
* Re: Glass breaking, I answered this... Trevor could have wanted to break Sylar's glasses. But alas, the administrators don't want to use the name so we don't.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:42, 16 November 2008 (EST)
** Actually, the flash didn't occur all the times, I've watched all episodes of Charmed and I have the eight seasons on DVD, and I can assure you, Piper did use her power without creating the flash/spark, the main reason we saw it is because most of the times she used it, it was against a demon, and in Charmed, demons blow up when they're destroyed, or vanquished as they used to say. Also, in one of the pictures linked above, there is some kind of flash. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 15:25, 16 November 2008 (EST)
** ...Aren't the lenses in eye-glasses typically made of plastic these days? --[[User:Ambro.Baby|AmbroBaby]] 18:51, 21 January 2009 (EST)
*Miami, it has nothing to do with the admins not wanting it. There is a consensus against and the comment you presented is more offhand than proof of a name. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 17:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
** Right. When I comment on discussions like these, I am commenting with no more authority or power than anybody else who is part of the community. I don't think we should be using Allan Arkush's comment in the commentary because it is offhand and wasn't meant to describe the power, but Trevor's cockiness. However, that's just my opinion, and others are entitled to theirs. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:54, 16 November 2008 (EST)
*** We're both partly right. If even one administrator disagrees and gives a valid reason, then it's the same as if any other person disagrees and does the same. Their opinion is no more or less important. However, in this case, since a couple of administrators came right out and said the remark was offhand and shouldn't be considered, it doesn't really matter much that other people came out afterwards on both sides of the issue. Also, I should note that there is not consensus against, only no consensus for. To be consensus against, everyone who voiced an opinion would have to have an opinion against. Consensus is not a majority or a super-majority, it's 100%.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 21:53, 16 November 2008 (EST)
* I think molecular combustion is too speculative, as we don't know anything about the ability. I think shattering best describes what happens, but Trevor's ability is the best option for the current time. This is why I'm not going to vote in the consensus. -- [[User:FlamingTomDude|FlamingTomDude]] 17:22, 16 November 2008 (EST)
** I agree on all accounts, FTD. Hopefully we'll see the power again so we get a better understanding of it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:50, 16 November 2008 (EST)
*Definitely i agree. I'm rather certain that we`ll see the ability again, perhaps in another flashback due to the fact we have yet to know 4-5 more abilities which Sylar had including where he got the ability of Freezing from. --[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 20:40, 16 November 2008 (EST)



@ACDC
[[Image:Trevor_Firing.jpg|thumb|Smoke is present.]]
1) '''Molecular Combustion'''

As you already stated, Molecular Combustion is created when there is heat or fire. As you look carefully in the image below, Right after Trevor shatter the glasses, a 'smoke' came out. And what creates smoke, that right, heat or fire! Heat doesn't exactly means fire, it could also be in temperature, The whole point is we don't know exactly what he does, He maybe collects the heat in the middle of the glasses, creating a collision causing it to shatter.


[[Image:GabrielGlasses.jpg|thumb|Sylar wears glasses.]]
2) '''Glass Breaking'''

Your whole reason for us not using "Glass Breaking", is totally unacceptable. No one of us exactly know what Trevor might be trying that time, as MiamiVolts already said, Trevor must be trying to shatter Gabriel's glasses, so that he'll be distracted and Trevor can make a run for it. The thing is we don't know.




''''I'm just a bit annoyed of how you used the title, "DO NOT USE:",and its even in capital letters. Its like, you're actually pointing out that your own theory is the correct one, telling that other theories are wrong, before observing on the other theories. --[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 12:26, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Hey. I wasn't telling others that their theories were wrong or mine was right as theories are neither correct nor incorrect as they are opinions. '''Trevor needs direct aim to use his ability as seen so why when he tried to use it on Sylar there was no precision or careful aim? Because he was not aiming for his glasses.''' I was merely siting my opinion. The '''Molecular Combustion''' was a name on Charmed for one of Piper's abilities and considering that combustion has heat present and that there was no visible trace of that... Hence why i'm a supporter of these names not being used and either left as '''Trevor's ability''' or '''Shattering'''.--[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 09:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)
::Uh... hi there. Yeah, sorry to butt in here, but the smoke that was present when Trevor used his ability? I'm pretty sure that was just the designs in the glass disintegrating when it shattered... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 23:33, 18 November 2008 (EST)
:::The question is, How sure are you? "pretty sure" isn't enough to back up your theory...[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 02:54, 19 November 2008 (EST)
:::: And "pretty sure" isn't enough to back up yours. The dust is either glass dust (extremely common occurrence) or the designs disintegrating. [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:14, 24 November 2008 (EST)
:::: I'm pretty much 100% sure. And I wasn't saying my theory was right, I was just presenting a new side to the argument. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:01, 24 November 2008 (EST)
As posted above, there are images showing a smoke of sorts, [http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/167/87091584nf5.jpg here] and [http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/351/16106395qr4.jpg here], those occurring during the explosion. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 05:24, 19 November 2008 (EST)
*The smoke was obviously meant to signify it's Trevor's association with a gun, hence his gestures. A gun usually produces smoke depending how powerful it is. But i wouldn't go as far to call it molecular combustion. We've only see Trevor use his ability on a solid and not liquid, gas or even plasma. This is when it all gets confusing as people are suggesting things which are just 100% assumptions rather than using a semblance of reality and at least naming what they see rather than going off in a tangent. --[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 05:39, 20 November 2008 (EST)
*:No one is saying to change it to Molecular combustion!, we're just saying that its one of the possible names of the ability and shouldn't be kicked out from the list of possible names, like what you're trying to do...[[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 11:02, 20 November 2008 (EST)
*Yes, guns produce smoke, but no smoke was coming from Trevor's finger. It was all around the broken glass. And as far as I know, bodies don't usually smoke when you shoot them with a gun; it's the gun itself that smokes. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:01, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Molecular Combustion would make the most sense for the name of his power. Molecular combustion is the power to accelerate the speed of molecules to the point that they break apart with an explosive force. Yes the name comes from Piper's ability on Charmed, but many people believe that heat or fire has to be present for the ability to be Molecular Combustion. This is not true and has been shown on many occasions in Charmed. In the episode Cat House, she blows up an entire wall just by pointing her finger at it when she becomes agitated towards Leo. There is no fire present and the smoke present is from the wood being blown apart. Another example is in the episode Once In A Blue Moon, Piper becomes agitated and blows up the chandelier without looking at it, still no heat or flames are present

Now when Piper uses her ability and there is heat or fire present is most likely a side affect of her power. She would heating up the oxygen molecules in front of the demons leading to the explosion.

So Trevor's ability is most likely the same ability. He is most likely speeding up the molecules in the glass causing the explosion and the glass to shatter. When he aims at the glass and makes the pulling a trigger motion, it would be the same this as Piper flicking her wrists when she blows up demons. -- [[User:Sealtj|Sealtj]] 22.57 14, March 2009 (EST)
I think he superheats and then rapidly cools the glass instantaneously, and the gesture is just to make it look more like he's shooting the glass. Thoughts?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 20:49, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== "TK or Visualization" ==
In all fairness, there is nothing to say that his power isn't simply TK, but the only thing he ever used it for was to visualize bullets. There isn't enough evidence to point to either being correct (which is why this page is still Trevor's ability), however, if you watch him when he "shoots" the glasses, he takes the time to actually aim.

I interpret this as him treating his hand as if it was a "real gun". TK wouldn't require this, as he could simply point at the glasses, and think explode, and it would happen (theoretically). However, he takes the time to aim, and then uses his thumb to simulate the actual "hammer" hitting the "bullet". Unless my memory is wrong. [[User:Anomy|Anomy]] 09:35, 18 November 2008 (EST)
** With the part about telekinesis, couldn't that be said abotu any ability? Linderman can heal others, but if he thought about it, he might be able to heal himself to. I think we should just go by what is in the show and not make assumptions. - [[User:Tristan0709|Tristan0709]] 02:28, 21 November 2008 (EST)
** Trevor's ability presumed as TK could be like peters ability before he met Claude. Peter was only able to use his ability with people near him, except when he drew the stick man sketch. But Claude helped him reach all his powers with out somebody being near by. This could be the same with Trevor that the fact he can only project the partials in the air towards something creating the effect of a bullet. But not knowing that he should be able to use TK properly.[[User:fred1793|fred1793]]

==New BTE, interesting comments==

*here's a new BTE quote: 1) “What was Trevor's ability, exactly? Could he shatter objects, the only thing we ever saw him do with his power, or did he essentially fire telekinetic bullets?”<br />That’s a really good question, St. Sword. A really good one. And our only answer makes us a bit sad. Every once in a while, we hand in an episode with reminders such as “make sure it’s a power that Sylar clearly has when we first meet him” but in the heat and excitement of production, it becomes making glasses explode by pointing your finger. We can’t be everywhere at all times, sadly. So the power as we know, is “pointing your finger and making glasses explode.” At least we understand why Sylar hasn’t used it much.

Pretty much clearly they wanted Trevor's ability to be freezing, and that was changed against their wishes.

So, I doubt that we will call it "pointing your finger and making glasses explode", but there you go. Also, its pretty clear to me that they wanted this ability to be Freezing, but it was changed against their will. (thus explaining their joke last week about James Walker having freezing and thats "ALWAYS" what they had planned.)--[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 23:21, 24 November 2008 (EST)
* have you ever heard of Brownian Motion? If you haven't it is the movement of partials in the air. Perhaps Trevor is using telekinesis to move the partials to fire at the glass?--[[User:Fred1793|Fred1793]] ([[User talk:Fred1793|talk]]) 15:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)
* In light of all this, I propose we keep the name "'''Trevor's ability'''". That said, if for whatever reason we absolutely need something, my best attempt at a name would fall somewhere around "'''pistol mimicry'''". [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:58, 25 November 2008 (EST)
* I think i have it: Air Vibrating.<br />Think about it, glass does usually shatter after reviving high air vibrations, and you only saw glass broken, so it could be him vibrating the air resulting in the smashing glass--[[User:Adam101|Adam101]] ([[User talk:Adam101|talk]]) 11:59, 25 November 2008 (EST)
* Alas, I think the writers clearly implied that the ability is just to break or explode glass in their post. I'm not sure why people are fighting the descriptive name of 'glass breaking', but that's still my choice, so I guess that will leave us with Trevor's ability staying the name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)
** I'm also willing to go with 'exploding glass' or 'glass explosion', based on the latest CBR.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 11:02, 26 November 2008 (EST)
*
#Much as I don't like it, we should probably go with Glass explosion, or something similar. We now have a source that should trump a consensus vote.
# Just a quick question...when was it implied that they wanted it to be freezing but it was changed?--[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 11:53, 26 November 2008 (EST)
#* It wasn't implied. That Heroes Wiki user was speculating. The writers just said they wanted it to be more than what it ended up being.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:08, 26 November 2008 (EST)
#**In a way, it was, they said they wanted it to be something that the audience knew Sylar had, but it ended up being something that Sylar just took and seemingly never used again. That's what I got when I read the interview. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:09, 26 November 2008 (EST)
**Yes, exactly. That coupled with the clear JOKE everyone has based [[James Walker]] having freezing off of. They said that they had always planned it that way, but the way they worded it and used italics was a clear sign of a joke. I wish people would read into it a little more and remove "freezing" from James Walker's article.--[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 20:29, 26 November 2008 (EST)
*** im not sure if anybody else noticed this but in the latest episode (the eclipse part 1) sylar uses a variation of trevors ability with elles lightning, he was smashing glasses but yes sylar did lose his powers, but i wonder if it is any thing relevent.
**** Yeah, that was just him crashing things with lightning, not Trevor's ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:38, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Would '''Kinetic Projection''' be a reasonable name change? As he is projecting some sort of movement energy that implodes the glass, and movement energy is usually KINETIC.

- Ark
* I think this idea of kinetic projection is very good and. kinetic means that the energy is stored up in his hand, say while he's aiming, then it is projected towards the object. I don't think that it could only be used on glass, -fred1793

I'm for "Glass Shattering". The quote is pretty clear on what the power is, essentially. It IS annoying that they can't be more specific on how he does it, but if it's something like TK bullets or kinetic projection, he probably would have used it at some point. That's a really cool power.

As for him trying to use his power against Sylar, he may have just been scared and tried to use it out of reflex. Or he may have just been praying that his power could hurt humans. Or trying to shatter Sylar's glasses. Or something totally crazy that no one would ever think of in a million years. Sylar probably didn't know the extent of his power, too, until he took it, which explains why he slammed his hand against the wall.--[[User:Uncanny474|Uncanny474]] 18:36, 3 December 2008 (EST)
* with your response that its a "cool power" and that sylar would have used it if it wasn't just glass shattering, forgets that this is a television program, and ideas need to be made. We still could see some use of this power in more flashbacks as the series go on.- fred1793
* Among other theories, I just added my theory for this being a form of [[User:MiamiVolts/Theory:Science_behind_the_abilities#Trevor's ability|ultrasonic vibration]]. The advantage of that being the case is it would explain why Sylar stopped using it, as once he gained enhanced hearing the ultrasonic aspect to the ability would likely get annoying.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 04:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)

==Another Source==
The ability of Trevor Zeitlan was named as Kinetic projection on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes but i don't know if it was official because the other name of the abilities there were different from here. --[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 19:11, 12 December 2008 (EST)
*And what are the sources for "kinetic projection"? (It is a cool-sounding name, but still) --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 23:00, 12 December 2008 (EST)
**I have put the link on my first comment, but like I said earlier I don't know if it was the company name or just a fan made name.--[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 19:06, 13 December 2008 (EST)
***Considering that it's Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anybody can edit, I would be willing to bet my college fund that it's a fan made name. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 19:08, 13 December 2008 (EST)

== Kinetic Projection ==

I've noticed throughout this discussion people have suggested 'Kinetic projection'. I like this name but I didn't know where to post my thoughts. If you want to post about 'Kinetic projection', do so here to avoid clutter and to strengthen our proposal.--<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 05:23, 19 December 2008 (EST)

*I like Kinetic projection. 1: If you threw glass against a wall (building kinetic energy) it would shatter on impact, so therefore throwing the 'wall' at the glass would also cause it to also shatter on impact. 2: Kinetic energy would be able to harm Sylar, justifying why Trevor tried to use his ability on him. 3: It is the most formal and scientific name and is not awkward or random. 4: It does not limit the ability. 5: Kinetic projection reminds me of Gambit. Gambit's awesome.--<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 05:23, 19 December 2008 (EST)
** Kinetic projection not only accurately describes the power but if Sylar does use this power after having it for so long could be the most destructive power, and he needs some of those! he could after this much time of having it evolve, blow up a building, which would be the ultimate way to stop an enemy temporarily, they stop and wonder if this is a good idea, or possible use it to increase his brain removal time.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|Empathicmimic0]]
**Sylar lost all the abilities he had during season 1 to the Shanti Virus. He no longer has this ability.--<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 18:48, 19 December 2008 (EST)
***We don't know that, Sylar seemed to be able to use Dale's Super-Hearing in one of the episodes during season three i think it was Angels and Monsters. So he may have kept it, plus all his stolen powers are inside his DNA, So being cured of the Shanti virus would allow him to access his abilities just like when Molly was cured[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmapthicMimic0]]
****We do know that, actually. The writers said so. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 14:02, 20 December 2008 (EST)
*****The writers aren't in full control. Kring wanted to make Zach to be gay but NBC didn't allow it.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]]
******That's a more sensitive issue, and the one's who didn't let Zach be gay were Thomas Dekker's agents, because of his role in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:01, 20 December 2008 (EST)
*******True, but still i believe that the writers may tell half-truths if it suits them.[[User:EmpathicMimic0]]
********What makes you think the writers tell 'half-truths'? Do you have proof?--<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 22:48, 20 December 2008 (EST)
********Don't you think you guys are a bit off subject?-ViciousKillgasm
*********Nothing is ever what it seems in this story, like Hiro killing Adam in Feudal japan, or Adam being a good guy. Or Claire dieing.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]]
**********The writers pretty explicitly stated they didn't think this one through quite right (and implied that he was supposed to give Sylar [[freezing]], but it was changed at the last minute), and said Trevor could pretty much shatter glass. This page is either "Trevor's ability", or "Shattering". Anything else is speculation. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:24, 22 December 2008 (EST)
*Any way ViciousKillgasm is right but then what was the point of showing Trevor? there has to be some logical explanation,maybe Sylar learns how to recover his lost abilities without hunting down people with that power.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]]
** The point was to show that Sylar was prevented from killing himself, and then later turned into the monster he became, by Noah and Elle. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 15:05, 22 December 2008 (EST)
*Many other sources have called his power by the name Kanatic porjection, and that is what i know it as so why not call it by this name? [[User:Halfbreed1426|Halfbreed1426]]
**What other sources? --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 00:45, 26 December 2008 (EST)
***ones that can't spell. {{:User:UrNoob/sig}} 20:02, 5 January 2009 (EST)
...Says the person who's first letter of his post wasn't a capital.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:37, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
* There's not really anything to suggest something is being projected. We don't know if the energy is blasted from Trevor's finger, or if the shattering just happens. Can I suggest a compromise of '''Kinetic Impulse'''? Because there is a burst of (kinetic) energy being used to smash the objects (and impulse is related to force?) I can't explain away the smoke, unless it's impurities in what's been smashed, or is simply waste energy. But yeah. This is my offer. But only because the previously-suggested '''Finger Bang''' probably won't fly... --[[User:Ambro.Baby|AmbroBaby]] 18:47, 21 January 2009 (EST)
** I think that, with the lack of a scientific name, we should go with whatever sounds cooler. My vote either goes for Finger Bang or Mind Bullets.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 20:35, 3 February 2009 (EST)
*** No. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 15:51, 22 February 2009 (EST)
* I'm vouching for this name, "kinetic energy propulsion" or something similar, because it's exactly what Trevor did. My observations are the "gun" hand, suggesting a projection at the desired moment. Furthermore, Trevor's ability was only seen shattering glasses, because they are easily breakable and easily accessed in Gabriel's house. Lastly, Trevor aiming for Gabriel suggests he could do body damage to Gabriel, even though the latter is wearing glasses that could be shattered if that really was his power. (Sorry if this is weirdly writen, I love being French sometimes.) --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 20:37, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

== Request ==

Maybe if someone slowed down the the video of the glasses breaking, maybe even made a gif. we could see exactly how it break and determine if it combusts, gets hit by kinetic energy or such. It'd give a definite reason for either name? And Btw, would Kinetic Projection allow you to take some force like getting hit by a car and project it somewhere else? Or just allow you to create Kinetic Energy by say punching the air at something? 'Cause if it'd be the car option, i want it xD -ViciousKillgasm

ViciousKillgasm i think that would be a cool power to have although i do like the sound of kenetic projection better than trevor's ability how about kenetic blast. also i think the smoke comes from the implosion of air also he was trying to use his powers on Sylar because Sylar was wearing glasses at the time and it would have shattered them and blinded him - Yarin

== Spontaneous combustion ==

Spontaneous combustion is a type of combustion which occurs without an external ignition source. How spontaneous combustion occurs:

1. A substance with a relatively low ignition temperature begins to release heat, which may occur in several ways, such as oxidation or fermentation.

2. The heat is unable to escape, and the temperature of the material rises

3. The temperature of the material rises above its ignition point

4. Combustion begins, if sufficient oxygen is present. - [[User:Mike the Man-child!|Mike the Man-child!]]

One problem: The glass didn't combust. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:01, 8 January 2009 (EST)
And it sure wasn't spontaneous.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:30, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

==We look into this too much==
*honestly, does the object shatter? yes. Why don't we just call it Shattering then? It is in the description of the power anyway. Someone said that describing the ability isn't the same as the effects. uh yeah it is. I know I haven't been on heroes wiki in awhile but I do come on every so often and lately I've seen a big pattern of "so and so's power". Why can't we just name powers with the description. [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 19:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)
**Amen... {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 15:51, 22 February 2009 (EST)
*Yea i agree with Jason, Trevor shatters objects so lets call it shattering>
** I wish it was that simple, but then we might as well call it '''Pointing finger at glass and making a gun gesture to make it shatter'''. --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 19:01, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
*** 'Cause who's to say that if he were to shoot something else it would shatter? If you shoot a gun at a glass, the glass will shatter. If you shoot it at wood, it'll splinter. If you shoot it at metal, it'll likely just get a hole or dent. He pointed it at Sylar. Granted, Sylar stopped him before he could use it, but had he been able to use it, do you honestly believe that Sylar would have shattered like the glass did? We don't know enough about it to name it. Read through all the arguments.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:13, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
** It's still speculative to assume that because he pointed his finger at Sylar, that he could use his ability on him. It could be that he was just joking around with Sylar and cannot use his ability on non-solids.[[User:Barbedknives|Barbedknives]] 22:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Sylar isn't solid? Also, Jason Garrick, I agree with you. The others are overthinking this... And especially [[Gordon's ability|this]].--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 22:45, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Telekinetic Missile Projection==
*How about that?
[[User:Wikopedicman]] 18:43, 26 February 2009 (EST)
** Unfortunately, there's nothing to suggest that it was anything more than breaking glasses. Thus, any other name (such as your suggestion) is too speculative to use on the page. --[[User:Crazylicious|Crazylicious]] 20:13, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Plus, if it projects telekinetic missiles, then it's [[telekinesis]]--or at least a byproduct of it.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 22:42, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

== is it that hard ==

why do you guys have to overthink EVERYTHING here on heroeswiki?... I mean, why is it, that the second "Shattering" was named a power, you guys had to came along and have a discussion page with a million other names, that suit the power worse. News flash: Stop trying to make wikipedia perfect, because nothing's perfect. You're discussing this power's name ever since it came along and as of this day, it still hasn't been moved... What a world... -- [[user:Meteoritu|Meteoritu]] 0:55, March 16th 2009
*People like to bring up dead points. It HAS been moved to the appropriate name.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 04:26, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
** "Somebody's ability" is always appropriate, but never perfect! --[[User:Juba|Juba]] 05:19, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
***I totally agree with meteoritu, when an ability like this comes up everyone goes mental with their own suggestions, that you seem to miss the obvious. imo, shattering would work - its vague enough to cover probably all possibilities. we didnt have any problem with 'crumpling'. --[[User:Lolwut|Lolwut]] 13:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
**** I think Trevor's ability is a perfect example of why only "voting" for your favorite choice is not an ideal way to find consensus. I think it would be much better to list choices, then voice dissent over any that absolutely don't belong. The discussion for that suggested method of finding consensus can be found [[Heroes Wiki talk:Community portal#Consensus checks|at this link]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

==Ability description==

I suggest we specify on the page itself that Trevor has only shown his ability as shattering glass, but that it might actually me kinetic energy propulsion or something similiar, since he DID aim for Sylar. This is not a name change request, but just something to make the info more precise.--[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 22:36, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

== Everyone: Get off the dead horse! ==

OK...just please face it everyone, it's over... I wanna just stamp a giant '''irrelevant''' sign on this every time i see it. The horse has been shot, beaten, [[Brain removal|Sylarized]], and [[Induced radioactivity|nuked]]... Unless we get word from a writer or actor then the name will probably stay. I don't know if anyone will read this post seeing how it is so small in comparison to the 897 other posts above trying to get their point across, and i know you may not care but i thought i should just vocalize my thoughts in hopes that this'll stop the 898th post trying to get their 2 cents.--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 17:14, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
*Poat? What's a poat?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:28, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
**Sorry...i meant <s>"point"</s> "post"--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 20:47, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

And that point of yours being...? That we can't name this ability until a writer or actor names it? If so, why do you think this?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 21:11, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
***Those are the only actual canon sources.--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 02:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Do you see levels 4 and 5 on the naming convention? If so, then you see we don't need a canon source to name this ability. Everybody is trying to use level 5 on the naming convention. And what horse were you talking about earlier? And fix your grammar!--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 22:31, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

The horse is the issue, it's "dead" because it's been over discussed. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:09, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

== Can I point out ==

I know this ability has never had a consensus, but on the main page it says he his ability is to shatter objects. If we have this as his ability then his name should be changed (I am only saying), but until we get confirmation do you not think we should change what his ability does? Since we do not actually know what his ability process is, we need to change shattering or change his name. This is the simple truth. We can not have Trevor's ability if we say he shatters objects, which I personally think would be shattering, but if we keep it as Trevor's ability we need to change it. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 11:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
* The page says now Trevor makes the glass explode. So? It seems to be true as well as 'shattering'. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 03:31, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== I know no consensus was reached... ==

...but a name sparked in my head that appears to fit the ability: Blasting. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:29, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
* Ummm, this name is so unclear. :-( -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 12:48, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
** The ability is unclear, blasting describes what he did to the glass perfectly: he blasted it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:06, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
***It just doesn't sound right.--{{User:Catalyst/sig1}} 23:37, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
****It's neither too wide nor too narrow. Some people linked this ability to Piper Halliwell's power in Charmed, the name they used in that show didn't fly here, so this is the best name replacement I could find for what she could do. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:38, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
*****Bump. I'd like to hear people's opinions on this name. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:54, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== Canon Name ==

So I was reading an issue of the Heroes Magazine and they had an article about all of Sylar's victims, and it said what there power was, and for Trevor, it said it is "Molecular Compustion".

So that's a canon source I believe.--[[User:Icefire227|Icefire227]] 19:13, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
*That's a secondary source at best, and Trevor's Ability already trumped some BTE interviews. --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 20:35, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
**I don't think it is canon, but it's a good start. I'm also gonna guess it's "Molecular Combustion". --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 20:36, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
***The blasting suggestion I made in the topic above this one was based on this name, it has the same effect but in a less speculative name. I'd like to see a scan of that article. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:45, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
* The [[magazine]] is neither a [[canon]] source, nor a near-canon source. In fact, it may not be a secondary source, unless the information came directly from a writer or producer. It fits under the same category as [[NBC.com]], which is a "credible source", but not always reliable. (Heck, they refer to Noah as "HRG" in the description.) The magazine is often written by people outside the world of ''Heroes'', who take their information from Heroes Wiki, Wikipedia, and other fan sources sometimes. And while we're on the subject of the [[:Image:Heroes Magazine issue 10.jpg|this image]], it's not an example of the power in use, and it really doesn't belong on this page. I'll link to it in the notes, though, since it's definitely noteworthy. For the record, I'm not opposed to the term "molecular combustion" to describe Trevor's ability. I'm only opposed to using the magazine as a canon--or even secondary--source. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
**I agree with RGS in regards to the status of the magazine in terms of canon being unknown. But I think it's pretty clear that it's somewhere about a tier-6 power like we're at now. The magazine must have some higher claim to canon that we the viewers do, and we can't just assume they got it off our site or something. I think we should move it to Molecular Combustion until a higher tier name can be found.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 03:23, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
*** You're right that we can't assume the magazine article writer took a name off our site...but we also can't assume that the magazine article writer has some higher claim to canon than we do. Although that's often true, it's certainly not always the case. If it were mentioned in an interview with an episode writer or something like that, then sure, it would be totally admissible as a secondary source. But since we don't know where it came from (I don't even know who wrote the article), we really can't assume that it's from a reliable source. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
** I agree with Ryan that the magazine article cannot be used as a source unless it credits the names to a staff writer. It is the same situation if an ET or TV Guide article names an ability. Being used in the press doesn't automatically make it a secondary source. As for 'molecular combustion', Ted C noted that he didn't think there was any indication that was how Trevor's ability worked. Maybe we could just use 'combustion' to make it broad enough to incorporate the possibility that it could also be 'subsonic resonance'?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 04:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
*** Ryan, do you think you can see with your contacts if the name actually came from a writer? It would be great if we can finally name this ability, if it's confirmed we'll never have to worry about this one again. Even if it doesn't come from a writer, well, there's always blasting (yes, I'll shamelessly try to push that name for as long as I can). [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:39, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
**** I'm not sure whom I would ask...Any idea who wrote the article? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
***** Not sure who, but you could ask [[User talk:Jman2k3|Jman2k3]], he/she's the one who uploaded the original magazine scan, he/she probably has it and could see who wrote the article. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:03, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
What the heck is a writter?

I think you mean writer...--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:25, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

Speed typing makes way for typos. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:27, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
Yes, it does (And I see you edited your post.). Icefire227, how is the magazine a canon source? Canon sources are the episodes, no more, no less.

I wish we could go with this. It's a better name than we have now, but it doesn't come from a writer... Or maybe it does. I don't think so.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 16:37, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

== Can Trevor's ability do something other than just shatter glass and is it also Tom's? ==

Anyone ever thought what Trevor was gonna do to Gabriel when he pointed at him.If his ability is shattering,well,how can you shatter a person?(please do not say freezing!thats ice)can he actually make different effects on different objects with his ability.Well,then the list kinda is like this-
1.Shatter-ice,glass,other glass like objects(fragile ones)
2.Explode-More soft stuff like organs,flesh etc
3.Implode-Probably almost anything that can implode
4.Collapse-Like Tom's ability,collapse really hard objects that cant easily shatter,implode/explode.
Well do you guys think with this info that Trevor can probably do all that and if Tom was just using the same ability to breakdown the figure?--[[User:ZeroTime|ZeroTime]] 04:56, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

*Trevor's ability was confirmed to be a different, yet similar ability to Tom's in a BTE interview. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:33, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
** I still bet Trevor's ability was intended to be a "kinetic energy propulsion" whereas Tom's ability is more of a "ultrasound propulsion", but we apparently don't have "enough" clues for that. --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 14:59, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
***No, we have plenty of clues. It's just that those clues lead us to a couple dozen different explanations. We can't tell which explanation is correct without speculating. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 19:36, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
*I know its till speculation but Tom seemed worried about killing Sylar with his ability and Trevor tried to "shatter" Sylar,so could they really have the same ability?--[[User:ZeroTime|ZeroTime]] 07:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

==Name==
Not wanting to drag up past discussion, but I just wanted to ask if people think this is a credible name. As the ability is described as "causing glass to explode" more or less on the ability's page, I personally believe that if we can't go with shattering, we can certainly take it that he can make things explode. We saw him make two glasses explode, and as many people have assumed, he tried to inflict damage on to Sylar as well. I think that rather than trying to 'shatter' Sylar, he tried to cause him to explode on a minor scale. I'm not sure if you could say a gun causes an explosion, but when it inflicts a wound it causes something of an explosion on the skin. This leads me ot my first suggestion: '''Induced explosion''', which I am not 100% happy with as it is not exactly the kind of explosion you'd think of.

My second idea is that perhaps we could sum up what the ability does as damaging. This is because when you damage a glass, it shatters. Shattering is a type of damage which occurs on glass. However, if you were snap a piece of wood it would splinter, ''not'' shatter because that is not how damage affects wood. As many have speculated, Trevor's ability works very close to that of a gun, and a gun causes damage, to people and material. A gun doesn't shatter everything, only things which can be shattered. This has led me to believe the ability could also be called '''Induced damage''' or '''Induced damaging'''.

This is only my speculation, I myself do not deem them completely accurate, but I wanted to add my own input to this discussion. Thanks! [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 08:32, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
* I think his power is more like holding an invisible gun. So it would anything a gun would, i.e: shattering glass, trying to kill sylar... --[[User:Trevorrrj|Trevorrrj]] 03:25, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I personally quite like '''Kinetic projection''', but that's just me... [[User:Robotnick2|Robotnick2]] 07:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

How do you feel about '''Blasting'''? It's simpler, accurate, and as far as I can see, it's not speculative. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

That's no better than the other million names we've had, you're just making up names on the spot. We don't even truly know how the power works so those could have negative connotations towards its true mechanics which may be revealed at a later date. Unless of course I can cerfiy the cerdentials of that article in the heroes magazine, in which case it should change to Molecular Combustion, though said credentials are proving ahrd to track down...[[User:Wiccid|Wiccid]] 16:57, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Blasting accurately describes what he did to the glass, the fact it doesn't say how prevents it from being speculation on the process that causes the blasting, regardless of the mechanics, it blasted the glass. I've put this name down a long time ago and I'm merely trying to see what people think of it, also, I put this forward in case it wasn't a show writer who named the ability as molecular combustion. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:06, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

* I'll vouch for Blasting since the rest is apparently too speculative. --[[User:Ikkian|Ikkian]] 17:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
** I'd support Blasting, (if we can use it as an alternative to XXXX's ability!) <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 06/3/2009 18:30 (EST)</small>

Just a thought, what about '''projected blast''' or '''projected explosion'''? [[User:SylarMonroe|SylarMonroe]] 12:01, 8 June 2009 (EDT)


==Don't you just wish...==
I wish there was another Villain's/1961 - esque episode, showing Sylar demonstrating Trev's ability, maybe, thought not likely naming it and maybe picking up a few new aptly named ones that explain maybe how he survived getting shot, shot again, stabbed, eletrocuted etc. I know he could just have been really tough but, a watchmaker from Queens, is that likely?!!
* I wish. But negative - there's no need to show more of Sylar's history from Volume One only to explain what that power was. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 03:43, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Spacecowboykinesis ==
Nuff said. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 03:43, 16 July 2009 (EDT)



*ummmmm WTF????? --[[User:tsmarg|tsmarg]]

== Molecular combustion ==
Okay, so is this name canon or not? It was seen in Heroes Magazine. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* See Ryan's argument [[#Shattering -> Molecular Combustion|some topics above]]. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:52, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

== Let us end this at last ==
We had a quote from BTE all this time about what this ability really is.
{{blurb}}'''"What was Trevor's ability, exactly? Could he shatter objects, the only thing we ever saw him do with his power, or did he essentially fire telekinetic bullets?"'''


That’s a really good question, St. Sword. A really good one. And our only answer makes us a bit sad. Every once in a while, we hand in an episode with reminders such as "make sure it’s a power that Sylar clearly has when we first meet him" but in the heat and excitement of production, it becomes making glasses explode by pointing your finger. We can’t be everywhere at all times, sadly. So the power as we know, is <u>"pointing your finger and making glasses explode."</u> At least we understand why Sylar hasn’t used it much.{{blurbclose}}

So the only canon name we have is "glass exploding". {{User:Altes/Signature}}

* Well, maybe his ability is just a different form of telekinesis. --[[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 06:29, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
**I agree. I don't see why we can't just grow up and accept "glass exploding" as the name: it has the higher ranking than "Trevor's ability". --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 06:32, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
*** Anything but x's ability! --[[User:Juba|Juba]] 09:08, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
**** He clearly intended to use it against Sylar, and unless he is made of glass, this wouldn't fit. "Shattering" is a better fit.--[[User:Ratclaws|Ratclaws]] 09:18, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
***** Tracy also clearly turns into water, but it is out of the boundaries of her ability name, "freezing". But we still use "freezing" since it is the most canon. Similarly, "glass shattering" is the most canon name we have and should definitely be used. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 09:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
****** Like I said in pretty much every occasion I had: "blasting" is the perfect name for it. It's not speculative because it doesn't imply the way the ability works, it fits what it did to the glass, and it doesn't limit its effects. If he used it against wood, it wouldn't shatter, it would splinter. It's the least speculative name I could think of, I just wish I could have thought it when we first saw this ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:28, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
******* We haven't received any new information about Trevor's ability, so I'm not sure why we're still having a debate. Regardless, my issue with "glass breaking" is that Trevor tried to use the ability on Sylar. Sylar is not made of glass. It's certainly possible that Trevor was just trying anything he could to stop Sylar, but the fact is that he tried to use the ability on Sylar. Therefore I don't feel comfortable saying he used a "glass breaking" ability on Sylar. (Nor do I feel comfortable conjecturing that he only used the ability to break Sylar's spectacles.) Ultimately, this is a power that we've seen the results of, but we really don't know very much about how it's accomplished. Until we receive more information, I can't see this ability being called anything but "Trevor's ability". In fact, I even take the quote above from Joe and Aron to be their tongue-in-cheek way of saying that there is no name for this ability. It can only be named in a full description. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:08, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
********* Not knowing its exact effects is the exact reason why I'm being so pushy about "blasting": the effects change according to what you blast, so this doesn't restrain what the ability does, nor does it add something that it doesn't do. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:15, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
********** It certainly doesn't sound like a consensus, though. I mean, this thread is about renaming the ability "glass shattering". I'm not sure our community will be coming to a consensus on this name any time soon. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:24, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
*********** I [[#I know no consensus was reached...|made a section]] putting it forward in the past, but hardly anyone commented on it. I've been bumping it ever since when there's an opportunity (like now) to see if other people will read it, but so far, it hasn't. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:33, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
************ I know, it's frustrating. We simply can't all agree on a non-speculative name. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:37, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
************* I'm trying to leverage this "is this spontaneous combustion" situation to see if someone sees it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:42, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
************** I know "glass breaking" doesn't exactly make much sense if someone thinks that he tried to use it on Sylar. But ''it's the most canon name we've got''. It's ''more'' canon than "Trevor's ability", so we should be using it. Isn't this the way the rules work? --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 21:07, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
*************** It's not canonical at all. That name comes from a description in a secondary source (which, frankly, I believe was used to make a point that the ability can't be named). For me, the issue comes down to the fact that "glass breaking" may or may not be speculative; it may or may not be too narrow. "Trevor's ability" is never speculative, and it's never too narrow. It's obviously not a great name, but we have to remember that it's an ability we don't know very much about. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:54, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
****************But it's still from a secondary source, no? Which is level 3 on the food chain. "Trevor's ability" is level 6. Look at "freezing": it is ''definitely'' too narrow, yet we still use it because it's the name with the highest ranking on the Power Names hierarchy. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 01:04, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
***************** Still, I don't think we can take Joe and Aron's comment seriously that Trevor's ability should be named "pointing your finger and making glasses explode". I think they were purposely making the point that you can't name the ability. Additionally, I don't think we can determine with any certainty the effects, limitations, causes, mechanisms, or nature of Trevor's ability. That jumps us right down to "level 6" of our [[naming conventions]]. Nor has our community every been able to come to a consensus on a name for Trevor's ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:10, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
*Remember, Sylar was wearing glasses at the time. So keep in mind that Trevor may have tried to use his ability to blow up his glasses thus harming his eyes. Could this be speculative? No more than it is saying he wasn't trying to blog up his glasses. We simply don't know, but the glasses renders the argument that "the power doesn't only works on glass" not fact. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 01:38, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
* So it will remain as Trevor's ability... Well, I enjoyed the discussion anyway. Thank you, guys. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** Where would "blasting" go? I think it's a good level 5 description, I have yet to find an argument which makes this name unviable. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:22, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
*** I'd like to hear people's opinions on this name. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:53, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
**** I really like this name, the problem is - we don't know if Trevor could even harm Sylar. He tried, but Sylar stopped him. So his power may work on glass only... {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***** Glass breaking gives a limit we don't know if the ability has, blasting doesn't. It's the "neither wide nor narrow" name we've been searching for so long. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:39, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

==Heroes Magazine==
If it's in the official magazine, why not use the name?--[[User:Rod|Rod]] 17:54, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
*No telling if the person who wrote the article is an actual episode writter. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:22, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
** Right. The "Official Magazine" is a bit of misnomer. At most, it's a secondary source (see [[help:sources]]). But until we know who the writer of the article is, it's just an article from a fan, which has no more authority on the subject than Heroes Wiki, Wikipedia, or any other source written by fans. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:49, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

==Archive==
If any page needs an archive, it's this page. I don't know how to do it, but can somebody with experience please get in here with some serious archiving firepower? It's not like you need to see the same arguement reiterated a hundred and fifty times.

Latest revision as of 19:31, 13 February 2010

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources
 Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine shattering's name.
Source/Explanation
iStory writer Ryan Gibson Stewart stated that Pearl and Trevor have the same ability, and it is meant to be called "shattering".
Archives Archived Topics
Nov 2008-Jan 2009 [[Talk:Trevor's ability/Archive 1#

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Glass exploding (yet again)

The writers explicitly described the ability as making glass explode. Why haven't we named this article "Glass exploding"? Unless I'm mistaken, BTE counts as a level 3 source according to the naming conventions, making "Glass exploding" rank higher then "Trevor's ability" or any descriptive name we come up with. I've seen several arguments against this ranging from the logical "Trevor tried to use his ability against Sylar, but Sylar isn't made of glass" to the less impressive arguments "Glass exploding is a stupid power". However, we have many abilities that don't cover the entire range of the power (Freezing, telepathy, telescopic vision, etc.) but we haven't changed those names because we were given an explicit name for the power. Also, Trevor was unexpectedly thrown against a wall, he would have fought back with whatever he had out of pure instinct. Then there's the fact that Sylar was wearing glasses, but that's speculative so I won't use it as support.

True, we were given names for the aforementioned cases before the ability violated the name's apparent limits, but is that such a big difference? Some have said that the name was simply the writers being snide and making a point that the ability can't be named, but isn't it much more speculative to say that writers were joking then take an explicitly listed ability name? Taking a name directly out of a quote is simply documenting, but guessing someone's intention from an internet message is making an interpretation of that message, which is apparently something we don't do here.

Yes, I know the rename discussions for this power have been held over and over again, but I had a point to make, and it made more sense to start a new message then to add to an existing one that nobody would ever check again. But as the original argument stated, the writers explicitly said "So the power as we know, is "pointing your finger and making glasses explode."". I don't see how we can argue against that.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 21:39, 3 January 2010 (EST)

  • Well, I'm not so sure, but perhaps you're right. If we're going to assume that the writers actually meant that this ability shouldn't be named, then they should've said something like "Oh, Trevor's power is so random and lame that we haven't thought a name for it". But I don't know...--Referos 09:38, 7 January 2010 (EST)
    • Agreed. --Radicell 09:49, 7 January 2010 (EST)
      • Referos, I agree with you. The writers were essentially telling us that we shouldn't worry about the name. PJDEP, you use the word "explicit" alot, but incorrectly. When something is explicit, it's direct, it's unquestionable, it's solid. If they were to say "the abilities name is insertnamehere", then it was explicitly named. If "I think" or, in this case, "as we know", is used, or anything to that effect, it still holds a certain level of ambiguity. --Riddler 10:34, 7 January 2010 (EST)
        • I didn't exactly mean the name itself was explicit (although I think I may have said that unintentionally), I meant that the description explaining how the ability worked (the quote I have in italics) was explicit. Which it is. And once again, while they may have been acting sarcastic, unless anyone can prove that they were we can't assume that it wasn't a serious response. We also shouldn't assume that the writers don't want us to worry about the name. I'm not going to exhaust myself arguing for this name, as it honestly doesn't matter to me that much, I just wanted to refute some arguments that weren't entirely correct.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:03, 7 January 2010 (EST)
          • Thinking about it, if it's not our job to interpret sources, then we shouldn't be analysing the irony or humour usage by the writers. They said Trevor explodes glass, so that's what we should use. The fact that they might be joking should, at most, be added to the notes section.--Referos 16:58, 14 January 2010 (EST)
            • Exactly, that's the point I've been trying to make. We don't know for certain whether they were joking or not, and it isn't our place to assume so.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:01, 14 January 2010 (EST)
              • Gotta be honest, hard to argue it really. It would appear he could use it on more than glass, but we're not in a position to speculate. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:25, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                • Let's wait a few weeks. I have a feeling that we might see this power again... :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                  • Haha, I'm guessing I should start reading the istories then. --OutbackZack 20:57, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                    • Most definitely, my good sir. For many reasons! There are only two chapters of Purpose right now, so it isn't too much to get caught up. Plus, it's a great read. Should take about 10 tops to read each one, I would think. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                      • Yes!! haha, any other currently unnamed abilities that will be appearing? :P --01:03, 15 January 2010 (EST)
                        • One at a time, my friend. And you'll get no more secrets from me. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2010 (EST)

Name Suggestion

I know it sound like an odd name :Caesium hydroxide Mimic. User:50000JH 11:42, 15 January 2010 (EST)

  • The chances that it's that specific type of chemical is extremely unlikely and speculative, and there are better names, so it's not the best. --mc_hammark 11:46, 15 January 2010 (EST)

There is an old video on You-tube where Caesium is put into water and the reaction is the same when Trevor shoots the glass, plus Caesium and water make caesium hydroxide it can also corrode through glass.User:50000JH 11:56, 15 January 2010 (EST)

  • That would be highly speculative, given how little we know about the ability.--Realistic

Purpose info

Given all the hints a certain admin has been dropping around the wiki, I think it's safe to say that Pearl has this ability. Now, I found three references in the iStory, Pearl makes lightbulbs explode, Mulligan feels something like a bullet whiz past his head, and Mulligan refers to a pipe affected by Pearl as "disintegrated". Based on this, it looks like "glass exploding" is out. "Blasting" still seems possible, so that's what I'd vote to go with. Thoughts?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:19, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • It definitely was meant to be this ability. I originally wrote almost all references to the ability using the word "shattering". An early version of the script even had Pearl trying to shatter something that wasn't glass, but it wouldn't work. The script has gone through a few revisions since I submitted it (which is normal), and some of the references were changed. Tonight was the first time I saw it say "disintegrated". But no matter, that's part of the process for submitting something and having it approved. The question now is what we name the ability. Personally, I would have gone with "shattering" (which was still used somewhere towards the beginning of the story, I believe), but I'm fine with something else, too. As long as we have something from the story to back it up, that's all that matters. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Ryan, I totally respect your writing, but if Pearl's ability to shatter glass was intended to be Trevor's ability, in my opinion you're riding a dangerous line. The main reason this ability is left unnamed is because the uncertainty that he could use it on anything but glass; He did point his fingers at Sylar. By writing that Pearl's ability is the same as these, we ignore what Trevor tried to do. I just think it's very, very iffy to take that side in your writing. That is, if I interpreted what you said right. Editing in: I didn't catch the pipe disintegrating in the story... my point is moot. Open mouth, insert foot.--Riddler 00:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • Right. I was just giving some extra background to the process, and a detail from an early version of the script, which I since changed for a number of reasons. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Ryan, do you think the next iStory you write can include some other unnamed abilities? It would be a great oppurtunity to clear up all the retarded debates on what to call what. Something as simple as "This is Amber. She can turn stuff into sand. Her power is called Induced silification. Don't like it? Tough shit." could really turn this wiki around.—Piemanmoo 01:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • If I write any more, and the powers make sense in the story, sure. And if I'm looking to lose my job, I'll definitely say, "Tough shit." :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • I saw the reference to shattering... I think in one option it said that Pearl 'shattered' an old sink, and then John was able to grab an old metal pipe that was connected to it and hit her. We also saw Pearl aim her finger in an image like Trevor did, if that helps you, Riddler. Still, neither is concrete to say the abilities are one and the same. What would really help from a story perspective would be John Mulligan seeing Pearl use her ability, and then recognizing it from a Primatech case file he had read about Trevor, noting that they seemed to have the same ability. All that said, I don't think we need a story perspective since RGS is the writer and can just tell us his intentions.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:32, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • My intentions were that Pearl and Trevor had the same ability. I also intended to refer to it as shattering. I actually did have a reference to Trevor in there (something about John remembering a case Noah told him about that really tore at Noah), but it became too wordy, so I cut it out, hoping that the finger gun and descriptions of the ability were enough to connect Pearl to Trevor. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)
            • And we DO NOT have to ignore what Trevor tried to do to Sylar because Pearl tried to do the same thing. She aimed at John but he moved out of the way and the old sink behind him was shattered into many....many pieces. They both aimed for someone. I'm about to do Pearl's bio, what should I change the name to? Shattering good for now? --William Strauss 06:45, 2 February 2010 (EST)
              • I can't move the page to Shattering? Why not? It won't let me --William Strauss 07:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                • William, if anything you just proved what I meant. She aimed it at a person, but he dodged. If it were to have hit him, what would have happened? He certainly wouldn't have "Shattered". The sink shattered 'cause it's ceramic, like most sinks. Ceramic shatters. Though I'm looking through the story... PJDEP, where does it say she disintegrated the pipe? I can't find it.--Riddler 07:58, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                  • I think what everyone is forgetting is what could happen is she "shattered" you. Obviously the entire person would not shatter but whose to say your bones would not shatter. Aiming at a person and shattering parts of their skeleton. perfectelly logical. --"The Listener" 08:02, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Riddler, while fighting his way through the Eli clones, the quote is "John reaches into his overcoat and pulls out the pipe from the sink Pearl disintegrated." I read through it to fast and thought the pipe was disintegrated.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:21, 2 February 2010 (EST)
  • Also William, Admin had protected this page so no one but administrators could move it. --Leckie -- Talk 16:23, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Trevor and Pearl's ability

Until we decide upon a name, this ability should be moved to "Trevor and Pearl's ability" because saying that Pearl has "Trevor's ability" makes little sense.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • Maybe Ryan could send Ryan an email asking how the ability should be called?--Referos 16:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Ryan is Ryan... no need for him to e-mail himself. I'll just go ahead and change the name now. Admin had protected it for administrator move only.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:10, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • I think it was a joke --mc_hammark 16:12, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • I feel like we've had this problem before... Why can't I remember where it came up? While it seems a little lengthy and does make sense, I think leaving it as "Trevor's ability" is fine too, since his is the fully-canon name. Either way, really.--Riddler 20:18, 2 February 2010 (EST)

The move to Shattering.

If this is to be called Shattering, I propose a split of the two abilities. Though Ryan's intent was there, the novel does not confirm them to be the same ability. If they are the same ability, once again we cannot call it "shattering": Pearl shot a ceramic sink. Ceramic, like glass, shatters. Furthermore, her intentions were to aim it at a human, just like Trevor did (except he was halted). A human would not shatter. If they were to shoot wood, it would splinter, etc, etc. Ryan, I respect your writing and your intentions, but trying to canonize Trevor's ability as only able to "Shatter" is dangerous. It's be safer to try to canonize it as able to do more, than to say it couldn't. I'd say the same thing to any writer if I had the contact information. The foot came back out of my mouth when PJDEP corrected the statement about disintegration; the pipe wasn't disintegrated, they were referring to the sink that was destroyed itself. So again, if this is to be called Shattering, I believe we need to split the two articles. If they are in fact the same ability, we cannot call it Shattering.--Riddler 20:24, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • The term "shattering" applies to the descriptions used in the show, and by writers (RGS included). The name on its own does not need to document every single aspect of the ability, and Ryan made it clear that there was a bullet-like effect by the ability. Besides, who's to say that if it hit a person, they wouldn't shatter? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:35, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Then show an example of a human shattering within the writing. It's an assumption that can't be made. There's a difference in "not needing to describe every aspect" and describing it incorrectly. If it was a bullet-like effect, that still would shatter glass and ceramic, but what if it's used on wood? It'd splinter. If it's used on metal? It'd dent, crack, or be punctured. If Trevor and Pearl didn't aim their fingers at a human, we'd have more leeway calling it shattering, but the fact that they did implies that it has other effects, and that we cannot ignore. Now, Ryan wrote Pearl's ability. His intent may have been for her to be connected to Trevor, but this doesn't mean they are. He even noted himself that it was cut from the writing (and though it's a little different, we never include connections/information from deleted scenes in our canonicity.) If we call her ability Shattering, then we need to keep it split from Trevor. If we keep them combined, we can't call it shattering.--Riddler 20:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • We cannot show an example, because it has never been effectively used against someone. Who is to say that if it hit someone, their body would not literally shatter? You're arguing that because a person does not normally shatter, this is not what the power would do. However, we are debating an issue about a show featuring ordinary people with extraordinary abilities. Until we see someone shoot another person with this ability, we cannot use it as evidence one way or another. Thus, the evidence we have is the following: The user points their hand like a gun. They "fire". A bullet-like object flies off. When it hits an object, it breaks (or, as it has been put several times, "shatters"). This is the sum total of the evidence we have, thus "shattering" is an acceptable name, confirmed by Ryan as a writer. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • I meant the writers should show it in the writing. We can't assume it either way, Ricard, but the worse assumption is that it CAN shatter people, since, regardless of this being a show about the extraordinary, it's not normal. If the glass and ceramic broke in a different way, maybe melted or exploded, then you'd have a valid point, but they broke as they normally would if they were shot. And your evidence here is kind of pushing for the point that they should remain split for one reason: When Trevor "shot", nothing actually came out of his fingers. Ryan confirmed his intentions, but also noted that the process made it change a little. The connection to Trevor was dropped, the mention of "disintegration" wasn't in his writing, and the point of her trying to shoot a person and it not working was dropped. I'll repeat this: We can call Pearl's ability "Shattering" due to the specific writer's confirmation, but we can't link it to Trevor's if we do. He didn't write Trevor's ability himself, and the connections were dropped from his writing.--Riddler 20:55, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • You appear to be the one making assumptions here. Who's to say nothing "came out" of Trevor's fingers? It's not visible, this much is explained by Mulligan's depiction of the events, having felt something whiz past, but not see it. The connection to Trevor was not necessarily "dropped", it was simply not included. This does not imply there is no connection. There is nothing to suggest that the abilities are different in any way. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:09, 2 February 2010 (EST)
            • If there is no source for a connection, we can't make it. If it wasn't included, it's not canon. Simple as that, it's the same as deleted scenes. And I'm all for the abilities being referred to as the same, but not if they're to be called Shattering. Ryan's intent may not be the same as whoever wrote Trevor's ability. It's essentially a retcon, though not entirely, since neither is completely confirmed to be able to do more or less. Everyone is making an assumption, I'm just making the safer one. In the long run, my opinion is this still needs to be "Possessor's ability". We don't have enough evidence to call it Shattering no matter what was you look at it.--Riddler 21:13, 2 February 2010 (EST)
              • We're running in circles on this, so I'll just bring it to this: Ryan intended for them to be the same, and he intended to have it be "shattering". If writers on BTE speaking intentions and connections is acceptable naming policy, then so is this. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:16, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                • The intention existed but wasn't included in the writing, so it's not canon. It still doesn't cover the ability. We can drop the debate there if you'd like, but I really can't budge on this.--Riddler 21:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Ryan's own commentary would qualify as an interview (Tier 3 as far as canonicity goes), unless I'm mistaken. Which means it is canon. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:26, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                    • I don't believe it counts as canon information regardless of an interview unless it was demonstrated somewhere. Otherwise there is probably alot of stuff we need to go back and archive/change. --Riddler 21:32, 2 February 2010 (EST)
  • Ryan explained the direct written connection was dropped only because it was too verbose. However, the connection in art, pointing the finger in the same manner, was kept, so I think we can use that as a confirmation, if we need to.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. --Riddler 21:04, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • Can i just point out that your arguement seems to be that the body would not shatter? That is all very well but at no point has a character made mention of that being their aim. Would it not be better to assume as an offensive ability against a human , they would use it to shatter the targets Bone structure... which i believe fits in perfectly fine with the ability, so much so, i actually had to make an account to say so. Simply because your arguement seemed so fixated on the idea of a shattering body. Basically in my view, they would shatter the bone. Thus calling it shattering is fitting and the users would have a use for it against a human and the writers a simple way to write it being used on one. You could argue it would not pass by the flesh of the target but that to me would be another endless arguement no-one would want to read..--RoninNight 02:26, 3 February 2010 (GMT)
            • Well, that's also fine and dandy, but now look at it this way: What happens if he aims it at wood or metal? Saying it's the bones that will shatter supports the idea that whatever is being shot is breaking the way it's supposed to. Glass/Bones/Ceramic = Shatter. Wood = Splinter, etc. And I'm not trying to cause an endless argument, but debating my stance on the issue and I've yet to see a counterpoint that can change my mind.--Riddler 21:33, 2 February 2010 (EST)
              • The writer of that iStory specifically said Pearl has the same ability as Trevor, and that he meant for it to be called "Shattering". Just because that writer happens to be on the wiki does not make his statement any less useable. When a writer explains the same sort of thing in an interview, we take into account what they have said and use it. There is no need for an interview here. He wants it to be the same as Trevor's, so it is. Every example of the ability we have seen up to this point has caused an object to shatter, so it is called shattering. Talking about what would or may happen is entirely speculative. Our job is to document what we see in the Heroes universe, not make assumptions or educated guesses. We have only seen it shatter things, so it is called shattering. --Skullman1392 21:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
              • No, the writer of the iStory said that he INTENDED for it to be the same ability, and that he meant for it to be called Shattering, but those are simply intentions that were not included in the writing, for whatever the reason. I never said his place in the wiki made it less useable; just makes it easier to question it. If I had contact with writers, I'd tell them the same thing if a concern came up. For every example we've seen, the object broke as it should have. "Breaking" would be more accurate than Shattering since we don't know if it can do more or less. This isn't to say that I'm for the name breaking, but I hope you see my point. Since both Pearl and Trevor intended to use their abilities on something that normally wouldn't shatter (and to assume they're going for bones is another assumption we really can't make), we can't say that all they can do is shatter. We can say that all we have seen them do is shatter, but we cannot say all that they CAN do is shatter, because we don't know. I'm not making the assumption that they can do more, I'm making the point that we don't know if they can do more but their actions imply it. We can't ignore that. Now, if a mention in the writing specifically mentioned Trevor, I guess I wouldn't be able to argue it, but it didn't, intended or not. I do think they're the same ability. I don't think we know enough to call it Shattering. --Riddler 21:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                • Their actions don't imply anything. Neither Pearl nor Trevor, as far as I know, had ever used their ability on a person before. Both found themselves in a situation where their lives were threatened, and both did the only thing they know how to do--point their fingers and shoot. I don't know about Trevor, but I can say that Pearl had no idea what would have happened if she made contact with Mulligan. We don't know what would have happened, and neither did the characters. So until or unless something changes down the road (which would be very cool to see), we use the information that we have--they point and shoot, and things shatter. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                  • What we know is that they point and shoot, and the object being shot breaks as it physically should. Ryan, it's too ambiguous of a situation be able to say that they shoot and it shatters. Breaking would be more accurate.--Riddler 22:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Look Riddler, it's not doing to get moved. Ryan is the writer and confirmed that the abilities are the same. He also said that the ability name is shattering. That means shattering is as canon as any other name we use commentary or interviews to name abilities. The use of disintegration was put in I think to establish the fact Tom Miller's ability and this one is the same, which was also said in BTE (although we took it jokingly). --mc_hammark 06:40, 3 February 2010 (EST)
                    • Both Pearl and Trevor used the exact same gesture when demonstrating this ability. Their abilities also produced the same effects: everything they pointed at shattered. This works as evidence that they have the same power.--Referos 11:36, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Yes!

This is so fantastic! Heroes Wiki is almost soandso's ability free! Disintegration, Shattering, Healing Touch, Activation and Deactivation, names that describe the abilities fine and are not confusing(well Healing Touch is a bit, but maybe we can think of a better name, Life force control perhaps, or just healing.) We just need to crack a few more. Sadly, Future Terrorist is dead and gone, but i think we haven't seen the end of this, Melting Beam Emission works fine for me. Gordon Tovey, if i'm not mistaken, should be returning or at least be mentioned again, and to be honest, i think, since we use Freezing for Tracy's ability to manipulate, turn into, and shoot water, we can use Sand manipulation, or mimicry, or perhaps mutation, because despite being a bit incorrect, it certainly works. Silification was always a favourite of mine though. I still think David, Mohinder, and Elephant Man all had the same form of ability, an uncatalysed synthetic ability that went wrong. It's clear it's not just a normal one. For Joseph, Emotion or Empathic Manipulation is really canon, Samuel says something like 'don't alter my emotions' and for Ricky, well, it's ongoing, so hopefully we'll get more soon. For now the best i can think is Dissolving. And for Alejandro, Poison Emisson Supression sounds pretty correct, or something like that. For me, soandso's ability abilities are more annoying than red links, because they just don't work as a name. We can do this! MIDAS 13:58, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Do you tink more of the ability will be shown next week?

Or is the story over? I really would prefer it if the ability will be shown used on a human, so that the debate on what will happen if the ability is used on a human, would it shatter just the bones or the whole person as it is? Someone here is a writer there, right? So if anyone can confirm if the ability will furthermore be used, please answer me.--Realistic 16:12, February 6 2010

  • Hi, Realistic. I wrote chapter 5 of Purpose. No, I don't think this ability will be seen in the next iStory chapter. I haven't read chapter 6 yet, but it was being written at the same time as chapter 5. When I read the outline for chapter 6, Pearl wasn't included in the story. So unfortunately, we'll have to wait until some other time to hopefully see this power again. It's a favorite of mine! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:54, 6 February 2010 (EST)
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