Episode talk:Five Years Gone

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Name Change

The name of this episode changed to "Five Years Gone" (http://www.herosite.net/)

• It's discussed on the Talk:Spoiler:String Theory page--Bob 16:52, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Future Characters

• I think the best way to handle them is going to be to add articles for those who actually appear as characters and add Notes to the current articles for those who are merely mentioned, but that's just me.--Hardvice (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree. There's enough to make an article for each of the Future Characters. Good idea about the Notes. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
    • I added a Note to Nathan Petrelli. He should be the worst of them, and it seems sufficient to me. In the meantime, I copied some edits others made into Future Sylar and Future Peter, and I like the way they're coming along, too.--Hardvice (talk) 23:20, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Woman behind desk

Who was the woman behind Mr. Bennett's desk in this episode? It looked like Angela Petrelli to me but the more I think about it, it could be Hana as well.--The Empath 23:10, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

• That was Hana. She was in the earlier scene with the little boy.--Hardvice (talk) 23:11, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Well now I just want to die. Why Hana, Why!? :'-( --The Empath 23:21, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Timeline mashup

• After watching this episode a second time, the best I can figure is we are watching some kind of mashup of the timelines when Claire is and isn't killed by Sylar. Peter's scar should be gone if Claire was saved, and Future Hiro should not be surprised that our Hiro travels back in time if he had already experienced it. However, Claire is still alive. Nikki implies that D.L. died during the bomb, but Hiro says he turned D.L. over to Bennett, who handed him over to SylarasNathan. Ug. Maybe I'm just thinking about this too hard... but there are a lot of timeline holes in this episode. Awesome o watch though anyway. --Fcphantom 00:18, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Was Niki implying that D.L. died in the explosion? When Peter tells her he was the bomb, he only mentions Micah. I think that she knows D.L. died, though doesn't know the real truth (Sylar giving him the slice and dice). I dunno; this episode gives me headaches. :-) --ZyberGoat 12:52, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It's all one coherent possible future timeline. Alright to clear it up: Claire didn't die (until later in the ep at least, obviously). Peter exploded, but Sylar used Candace's power to fool the others into thinking it was Sylar himself. Thus Future Hiro had actually stabbed Peter thinking him to be Sylar. When Peter regenerated the wound, Future Hiro had presumed Sylar had stolen Claire's regeneration. Thus, "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World," (a presumption by Alternate Future Hiro) is actually incorrect. Saving Claire did not prevent Sylar from using Candace's power to survive. Future Peter's scar is due to some other unexplained factor. It's not clear exactly how Micah or D.L. died, or whether Nikki and Peter's perception of how it happened is correct. But Future Sylar demonstrates that he did steal D.L.'s phasing. --Glue 02:52, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Interesting theory, but I don't think that's the case. In the original future (Future Hiro's), Sylar really was the bomb, but he regenerated because he had Claire's power. In the future that Hiro and Ando jump into, though, Peter became the bomb, and Nathan pawned the disaster on Sylar (which likely infuriated him, leading him to kill Nathan and take his place). I think that when Future Hiro brought specials to Bennet, Bennet turned over the "dangerous ones" to Matt, who in turn sent them to the president (Sylar-as-Nathan), who then killed them. But there's nothing proving that Sylar took Candace's power before the explosion. --ZyberGoat 12:52, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
• Apparently, the writers have a reason why Future Peter has the scar despite having Claire's power. They talk in an interview (don't recall which) about how NBC keeps giving them grief about it, but they assure them there's a reason for it.--Hardvice (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • My thought on this is that at some point, Hiro will impale Peter across the face with the sword, and it will knock Peter unconscious. Peter can empathetically mimic Claires healing ability, but he has to be conscious to think about it to get it to work; therefore he can't auto-heal like she can without thinking about it. While he is unconscious, and before he bleeds-out, someone will heal Peter's face...either cauterizing it with heat, or perhaps a healer other than Peter will close the wound, leaving the scar. When Peter wakes up, he has been healed by someone else, and doesn't really have anything to heal from, so the scar remains. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/1/2007 11:43 (EST)
    • I've also heard a theory that Molly Walker's power--not yet emerged in Don't Look Back--is the ability to block powers (like the Haitian, but more complete), and that she's present when Peter gets cut.--Hardvice (talk) 11:59, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • That would be frickin' awesome! I mean, bad-ass power, but bestowing it on an innocent-looking girl? That's got showdown written all over it. --ZyberGoat 12:54, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
        • It would explain why she's the only one who can stop Sylar. But it would be more bad-ass if her power was to turn TV characters into other characters played by the same actor, and she turned Sylar into Sasan from So NoTORIous, and that's how they defeat him. Then she could turn Angela into a Klingon and Kaito into Sulu and they could slug it out and ... what was I saying?--Hardvice (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Minor Characters

• So my Tivo cut off right after "To Be Continued" came up. Does anybody have the closing credits? We need names or descriptions for a couple minor characters (there aren't many with speaking/significant parts ... the little boy and his family at Primatech and the bartender at Niki's casino are the only ones that come to mind off the top of my head.)--Hardvice (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • OK, the family of the evolved human boy is credited as mom, dad, and son. Not too helpful. We should probably list them under their assumed names then (Mr. and Mrs. Crane -- not sure what to call the kid.)--Hardvice (talk) 10:24, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Hopefully better than red dot boy--Bob 10:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I suppose we could call him "young evolved human", but that might be too vague. Heroe!(talk) 10:35, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
        • "Crane boy" sounds a bit like a super hero name (he should team up with Tiger Lass for a kung-fu book), but it's probably our best choice.
          • If the closing credits said "mom, dad, and son" where are you guys getting the "Mr & Mrs Crane" from? While 'red-dot boy' may sound unspecific and a little silly, it is probably the most easily recognizable name for him that the majority of people would be able to associate him to. For 'deoxygenation boy' however, wouldn't 'middleschool boy from Santa Cruz' be specific enough until more is revealed later? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/1/2007 11:48 (EST)
            • Hana tells them their new identities: they will be the Cranes, from Boise, Idaho. As for the middle school boy, I doubt he merits mention anywhere but the episode article. He doesn't appear, is barely mentioned, and exists five years in the future.--Hardvice (talk) 11:56, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
              • However, the fact that he is an evolved human with a new power (deoxygenation), makes him noteworthy. Since he is middleschool, he is also at least 12 years old, which means regardless of the 5yr-timelines, he is at least 7 years old in the present-timeline....therefore he and his power is confirmed to exist; regardless of when it is first manifested in whatever timeline we endup with. We should add a new power for deoxygenation to the Powers page, and we should keep him on the list of evolved humans. He is confirmed; even though there is little info on him. Had he been given a firstname, he would have more details and info specifically about him than 'David'. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/1/2007 12:05 (EST)
                • That's fine. He certainly doesn't need an article at this point, though. In any case, the list needs to note that he's an evolved human in a future timeline; for all we know, in the final timeline he could die before he manifests powers, or live his entire life and never manifest his power.--Hardvice (talk) 12:12, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
                • One thing he does give us, though, is the revealing of a new power. Even if he doesn't manifest it in whatever timeline we end up in, and it is never seen again, the power itself has been revealed as a power of evolved humans. We may find, with this multi-timeline stuff going on, and with more and more powered people showing up (with little screentime and development) that we simply need to start a new Notes Section on the Powers page, to have a quick comment documenting it and that would be all, until it becomes fully-realized and revealed in a more primary character (one that deserves their own article). I'll put one one other, and see what you think. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/1/2007 12:17 (EST)

Oxygen boy

Ok, so is it safe to assume the boy who suffocated his middle school and the kid Mr. Bennet had are the same person? What would we call his power? Heroe!(talk) 09:47, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

• No, it's not safe to assume that.--Hardvice (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Candace, DL and Molly

When Hiro asks Bennet for these people, I think he's referring to their blood samples since Sylar had already killed DL and Candace. So does that mean he also killed Molly?--Bob 11:16, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

• Hiro says "and they'll all be safe when we succeed". I think he's referring to the people, and just doesn't realize that they're dead. Incidentally, there's something a bit sinister about this: in his scene with Matt, Bennet discusses their arrangement as one where he gives Matt the "dangerous" ones and Matt gives him the "harmless" ones, so there's a good chance that Bennet turned D.L. and Candace at least over to Matt; they'd then be ripe for Sylar-as-Nathan to eat. As to whether Molly is also dead, I don't think we can possibly know.--Hardvice (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Remember that Future Hiro's memories come from the original Dark Future timeline, and not the one shown in the episode. In the original timeline, it may be that D.L. and Candace are still alive, Sylar never took their powers, never became President, but there is no way for us to know. Hiro doesn't realize things have changed because they changed while he was in the past, and are still cosmetically similar when he returns. In any event, he is an unreliable narrator in this episode, anything he believes may not be true any longer since he changed the past. I realize I'm complaining about this all over the place, but that's because I want to make sure people understand it. Gregorus 12:24, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Future Sylar had already killed Candace before the explosion. Future Bennet and Future Matt's arrangement are clearly due to the political divide of their time which are products after the future presidential election. --Glue 12:34, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • How do we know he killed Candace before the explosion? We don't even know how long he's been impersonating Nathan.--Hardvice (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • While it's certainly good to remember that Future Hiro's memories may not match the new timeline he's created, it's also not the case that they're automatically wrong. He still knew Niki and Peter, and where to find them, for example. Many events seem to have occurred the same way. In this case, I think if he hadn't been responsible for rescuing Molly, D.L., and Candace, then Mr. Bennet would have said so when Hiro asked him to contact them. "WTF they're dead and you never rescued them" is not the same as "I can't contact them because they're in hiding." So it seems likely that this is one of those cases where Future Hiro's memory jives with the revised timeline: he still rescued Candace, D.L., and Molly and turned them over to Bennet. D.L. and Candace were subsequently killed; Future Hiro doesn't know it, and if Bennet does, he's not letting on.--Hardvice (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2007 (EDT)