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Talk:Timeline:March 2007

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Are we waiting for a reference point or are we stretched too thin to make this?--SacValleyDweller 18:44, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

  • We're waiting for a reference point. On what did you base these dates?--Hardvice (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
    • what dates? If you're talking about the links to here or the page between here and November 2006, it wasn't me. However given the title of the first episode, "Four Months Later," Season 2 (aside form Hiro's story of course) has to be at least March, 2007, and the placement of the dates in between has to be true.--SacValleyDweller 00:01, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
      • No, I meant the actual dates that got added. I didn't realize that was somebody else. Sorry about that. I was just wondering if somebody had discovered a point of reference that would allow us to lock down specific dates.--Hardvice (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • none the less, it might be good to at least bullet point the major events from each episode here to de-stub-ify the page--SacValleyDweller 02:03, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Incidentally, it looks like the dates which were added were based off of the soccer match. It's kind of sad that that's our best point of reference. I think the producers and writers have learned their lesson from Season 1's timeline inconsistencies. They seem to be going out of their way not to give any specific dates.--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Unfortunately so. We could ask about this in Behind the Eclipse.--SacValleyDweller 02:03, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
          • I still think that you can get some sort of date from the newspapers featured in the episodes. I don't have TiVo or HD recordings, so I can't see.--Bob (talk) 02:19, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
          • AC Milan wins Celtic 1:0 happened on March 7. This reference is clear enough for me. Chrisyu357 04:25, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
          • I asked, and got:
SacValleyDweller is back once again from the HeroesWiki needing even more detailed information. "Do we have na official, in-universe date for the start of Season 2 besides the known 1671 for Hiro's arc? Can we safely assume that the rest of the season 2 events occur precisely four months after November 8th? And are we going to get some flashbacks this volume? If so, which episode(s)?" Four months from November 8 – is March something or other – right? You can do the math. And if you want flashbacks – Episode 8 is titled "Four Months Ago" – taking you right back to Kirby Plaza… How's that for flashbacks?

so looks like we can start on this with all deliberate speed.--SacValleyDweller 21:00, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

March 20th

So the preview shows Peter saying something about March 20th. If this is the case, we know that FML takes place a week before CT. Finally, something to work with.--Bob (talk) 09:36, 21 November 2007 (EST)

So, we have our reference point. I have a big test to study for, so I dunno how available I'll be, but it shouldn't be that bad since we have some solid reference points from the last few episodes.--Bob (talk) 22:48, 26 November 2007 (EST)

March 23?

WHat Tells us that the events listed under March 23 happened on March 23?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:41, 7 May 2008 (EDT)


OK, what tells us that the events of Faces happen after March 23? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

  • The blurb for Faces, Part 1 reads "As Agent Dunlap finds herself tied tighter into Evs Dropper's mysterious plans, other agents continue down their own paths.". From that, we know 1) it's after Donna became an agent of the Company; 2) it's occurring as she becomes "tied tighter" to Evsdropper's plans... it's clear from that that the "tied tighter" reference refers to her finding the photo of Isaac's painting that depicts her death. That happens on March 23rd.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:09, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
    • I'm not so sure that what you cite is enough to say so. It could be happening at the same time that Donna is captured/recruited into the company, or sometime else. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

When do we stop putting things in "After March 23 2007" and into "Post March 2007"? -- Friskymuffin - (talk)

  • When we get another clue that we are in April or later.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

Jamie Wu's death

How do we know Jamie didn't die before March 9th? I think it would be clearer just to say that on March 9th, Jamie's dead body is discovered.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:49, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

  • Well, of course there's always the possibility that she somehow was found freshly smoking, and moments after she was found the smoke cleared...but sure, leaving it as just "Jamie's dead body is discovered" fits. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
    • Thanks, I wanted to allow for the possibility that she was killed much (perhaps days) earlier and at the warehouse someone poured acid on her to make it look like Cushing has just killed her.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:17, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Berlin Now

The transport of The German from Berlin to Level 5 took place July 3 2008 3:18 AM: satellite shows the team got off the ground and is winging toward Level 5 as we speak.

  • Evolutions developments and Episode/GN (Aired) happenings are rarely synchronous, so we go by the Aired happenings. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Cite parts?

It's probably a minor thing, but which is better stylistically and for the sake of completes, citing multi part GNs like this:

Root and Branch

Or citing each part of the GN, like this:
Root and Branch

--SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:26, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

  • I like this idea, I think it makes sense. -- Friskymuffin - (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
    • I'm fine with either as long as we're consistent.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

On Reworking Post March 23

The latest GN makes the our Post March 23 entries a bit jumbled and hard to follow. Might this be reworked thusly? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

  • I don't see any point in splitting off the last part of Root and Branch. Is there anything to point that the other novels you list came before that split-off portion of Root and Branch?--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:47, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
    • OK, here's my rational:

1) A surface glance implies that the order of the GNs is the order of happenings.
2) It is stated in the blurb at the beginning of The Kill Squad, Part 1 that Junior and Donna are in Virginia while Gael and co. are in Berlin, therefore these events are happening ca. the same day.
3) Sabine could have taken Hartsdale clone to Utah while Gael & co. were in Berlin and Junior & Donna were in Virginia.
4) The big bag and tag has to have happened before the Berlin mission, as Devin is alive in Australia and is dead in Berlin.
5) Hindsight is picking up right where a few of the GNs left off: Donna shot Sabine's car in Root and Branch, Part 3, they are investigating the crash in this GN. Gael and Bianca, just having returned from Berlin, are livid that the German had company files, and are looking for answers. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:44, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Berlin is already ordered after Root and Branch... also, we don't have any new info. on when the real-time events in Hindsight took place, or did I miss something?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:59, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
    • That's the problem, and I think you are missing something. Here are the reference points I'm going off of to establish my rough version of the timeline: The blurb in Kill Squad 1 establishes that Berlin and parts 1 and 2 of The Kill Squad are happening concurrently, or close to it. In Hindsight, Gael talking about the German establishes that we are after Berlin. Since we are after Berlin, we are also after Kill Squad 1 and 2. We have Junior and Donna investigating Sabine's crash, which was at the end of Root and Branch, naturally establishing that we are after Root and Branch. The afore mentioned points involving Gael and Junior also establish that at least some of the events in Root and Branch happened concurrently with Berlin or afterward. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Evs Dropper arc in 2008?

  • In an interview with Evs Dropper, Evs said "You'd be surprised how much information Matt Neuenberg was able to discover before he passed." This put the Matt Neuenberg arc (which is in 2008) before the Evs Dropper arc. Chrisyu357 05:17, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Good call! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:18, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
      • Awesome catch. I know it's sort of speculation, but I would agree that the evs arc happened after the Matt arc. However, there's content in the evs arc that runs simultaneous with episodes, which is Donna in the infirmary with Noah. There's no aired material that corresponds with the Matt arc, and that's why some people (myself included) never liked that it was placed in 2008. I think we can resolve the conflict by noting that in the first GN with Matt has the year 2008 shown in the background. Aside from that, I think it should be moved so we can get over this inconsistency. --Bob (talk) 15:26, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
        • I concur, I think the novels from Root and Branch, Part 1 onward need to move to 2009. We may know for sure if Ryan asks the timeline question I provided in his upcoming interview. When Donna is in the clinic with Noah, it is the day after Mohinder had shot him in the eye, so that novel and previous novels needs to remain about Feb/March/April 2007, imho, even though they're slightly Evs-related.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
          • 2009 or 2007?? I think you mean 2007, yes?--Bob (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
            • No, I mean 2009. Based on Penny's age, everything after and including Root & Branch, Part 1 should be in 2009-2010. The part of the Evs arc before R&B1 should be Feb-April 2007.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
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