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So what abilities did sylar have right before he killed charlie?

I can recall telekinesis, freezing, and trevor's ability, right?Gamerelite1 21:12, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

  • His basic ability (intuitive aptitude) as well, obviously, and perhaps some other unknown ones since we didn't know exactly where he was all the time. But otherwise yes, we'd only seen him kill Brian, Trevor, and Molly's father,. Ah for the days when Sylar wasn't God... Swm 09:58, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Noah showed Eden some of Sylar's unnamed victims, but I can't remember if that was before he killed Charlie. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Found it. It was after Charlie's death, but it's unknown if they were killed before or after Charlie. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • It's unlikely they were killed after Charlie. The time between Charlie's death and Homecoming was only one day. Here's hoping we get to see Sylar use Freezing or Trevor's ability, for old-times' sake. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:15, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Given there was about 3-4 people in that file, he wouldn't have done it after Charlie. As we also know Sylar killed somebody else in the GN Turning Point, it's likely he had more abilities then Season 1 let on. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Swm 07:08, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
      • hmm. hiro is going to get owned if he tries taking him on. I wonder if we'll get to see him use freezing to turn into water, I doubt it.
        • Or if Sylar uses Trevor's ability and gives it a name... Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Enhanced Memory

Shouldnt we remove this ability from sylar's list of acquired abilities, since he doesn't have it in the current timeline? daevon 21:36, 2 November 2009 (EST)

  • I'd say so. Hiro did save Charlie from Sylar.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:38, 2 November 2009 (EST)
  • But definitely put a note stating that he did have it up until strange attractors.
    • We could leave it on there, but put a note off to the side saying something about how he may not have it anymore. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 21:51, 2 November 2009 (EST)
      • How about we remove enhanced memory from the list and write in the note that Sylar only acquired it in an alternate timeline? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • I prefer Altes' answer, given that in the current timeline, he never took her power. Swm 05:23, 3 November 2009 (EST)
        • It needs to be removed completely. By the narrative of the series, he never had it. Maybe the ability page itself could mention a past Sylar had it- like we do with the Future Sylar's and Peters, but present day Sylar now never had it so it should be removed. -User:EvilMaldini 13:41, 3 November 2009 (GMT)

Blood Clot

Did Sylar use IA to detect the blood clot?[50000JH 16:52, 3 November 2009 (EST)]

  • I assume so - Jenx222 | U / T / C 16:55, 3 November 2009 (EST)


Intra Page referencing

I think as a means of distinguishing sylar's mind from his body, we should refer to the mind that is in matt as sylar and the body that has no memories as Gabriel. I think it would make it easier to understand which one is being refered to.

Still no flight ?!

Can I know what makes you doubt?

As if Nathan would know he had to use telekinesis in order to fly...?

You're waiting for Nathan to actually fly on screen ? No cauz, you know, it would have been mentioned if he couldn't fly...

That's exactly what we're waiting. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:17, 7 November 2009 (EST)

  • Glad to hear you guys won't come up with "but he used TK !" then. ;) See you soon :p ...

So does that mean he can fly?

Because it sure looks like Sylar flew away after shifting back to Nathan's form when he wakes up in the carnival at the begining of Shadowboxing.

  • "Nathan" can use TK, but he would certainly rather fly away with "his" power than propel himself all the way with his "new" power. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • I think the page should reference "An invisible thread" as the time Sylar accquired flying and not "Shadowboxing". He could not possibly have taken in shadowboxing as Nathan was 8 weeks dead.
      • It had to have been empathy during the entire night that Sylar was prodding around in Nathan's office stuff. Not to mention the fact that Sylar spent the whole night with Nathan while he was knocked out. There is no way that was telekinesis. The only way that Sylar picked up flight only in this episode is if the memory flashes were enough to give an empathy blast. That's not likely. The only evidence to the contrary would be the fact that it took Sythan 30 minutes to get to Kojin Sushi in Orientation. NileQT87 02:02, 10 November 2009 (EST)
        • I wasn't saying that he accquired flight all of a sudden in shadowboxing, I'm just saying that we can finally confirm it and stop wondering about, or at least im hoping thats what this means.
    • I think it should read acquired in Invisible Thread, demonstrated in Shadowboxing (just like with Charlie's ability, minus the note). As "Nathan", Sylar wouldn't be aware of his Telekinesis, right? The scene at the end basically confirms he thinks he's Nathan again. That was definetly Flight- not only were the sound effects correct for once, but the manner in which he took off is exactly the same as every Flight the real Nathan ever did. He would have absorbed it through empathy, either when Matt put all of his memories in his head (making him empathise in the most literal way possible, by literally seeing his life), or beforehand if you say that his Flight in Invisible Thread is Flight and not TK, when he sucked memories out of his possessions. I think it's safe to add it. Swm 05:16, 10 November 2009 (EST)

How did Sylar learn how to fly? He killed Nathan before he cut his head open. Unless he got it from West, or something.--Gibbeynator 13:44, 11 November 2009 (EST)

  • He got it from Nathan empathetically, due to his Clairsentience. Or are you asking how he had the knowledge to fly perfectly without struggling? If its that he thinks he's Nathan. And Nathan knows how to fly.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:48, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • *shudder* Every time someone says that Sylar can get powers the same way Peter can, it makes me feel bad inside...--Gibbeynator 15:43, 11 November 2009 (EST)
    • Plus, if you'll recall, in the season opener, Nathan said it took him 40 minutes, or some such number, to get to lunch. It wouldn't have taken as long if he flew.--Gibbeynator 15:49, 11 November 2009 (EST)
      • Yes because it's natural for someone to fly the streets of New York to get to their destination. Not only that but Nathan usually only flew when the situation called for it, him (Sylar as Nathan) flying to see his "mother" for lunch, isn't exactly a good reason to fly. I think Sylar absorbed it the same way he absorbed Elle's ability only not as intimate. And I thought it was confirmed in "Invisible thread" but my memory is faulty, because I thought Sylar said he gained Nathan's flight by fighting him, but I guess that only applies to Peter and the shape shifting ability, Either way he definitely flew in Shadowboxing, since he thought he was Nathan again and took off, if he couldn't fly then he wouldn't have been able to do that. Since I'm sure flying and "Propelling oneself with Telekinesis" requires a different method of achieving. --Dman dustin 16:03, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't "Nathan" ask Angela what she did to him, since it took him 40 minutes to get across town?--Gibbeynator 07:26, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • He wasn't being literal. It most likely took him 40 mins to get across town because he didn't fly. That doesn't prove he couldn't fly. It wasn't outright confirmed in Invisible Thread, but that's the only place he could have gotten it from so it's not difficult to determine. Swm 12:18, 12 November 2009 (EST)
  • While we certainly have enough evidence to say Sylar has the ability of flight, I don't think we have enough to say how he obtained it. Iirc, Sylar is not an empath. His power is intuitive aptitude. That he can use that power to obtain other abilities without directly examining the brain is just an evolution of his original power, not evidence of him having empathic mimicry as Peter did (possibly still does). Sure, Arthur told Sylar he could emphatically obtain powers, but he was a proven liar. As for how Sylar got the ability of flight, we don't exactly know, since the future has currently been changed by Hiro (which, imo, is going to (and perhaps already has) lead to inconsistencies in the show). --Stevehim 12:16, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • The empathy aspect of his ability isn't the same as empathic mimicry. Peter's ability was automatic, he just had to be near someone to have their abilities, Sylar didn't do that, he needs to actively connect or understand others to acquire their abilities, it's not a passive thing like Peter's empathic mimicry. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:31, 13 November 2009 (EST)
      • Arthur didn't say Sylar can absorb powers with empathy. He said something like "you want powers, and you can obtain them all by accessing your empathy, which you had all along". It's somewhat different. It depends upon how Sylar chooses to use his IA - either by scanning his victims' brains, or by understanding how they feel. This is where we should look for similarities, because IA absorbs powers in both cases. A property of the ability itself. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Yeah, and if you put it in the right perspective, both of them come from understanding. One comes from rational understand of how the brain and the ability work, and the other by emotionally understanding the one who has the ability, acquiring it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:28, 13 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ability acquisition via understanding the source. Sounds reasonable. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Correct, but my point was directed at the phrasing of how he obtains powers. Regardless of whether he "understands" or "connects" with someone or if he examines their brain, it is still intuitive aptitude. To say he gained flight via "empathy" just leads to confusion, and is technically incorrect (he would gain a power by accessing his ability of intuitive aptitude through a mechanism of empathy, at best) as that would be more associated with EM than IA, and is not, in and of itself, an ability. Sorry for the miscommunication...I was just trying to say that if he gained flight from Nathan, it would be from using his IA, and could further be defined as using his IA in such a way that it did not require a brain examination. Of course, we don't really know that for certain. I'm not sure the aspects of shapeshifting are clear. Is it a complete physiological transformation, inside and out? If so, Sylar would have direct access to "Nathan's" brain, as his would be the same. Of course, that presents some problems (like how Sylar would retain other abilities, including IA, as his physiology would no longer contain the necessary DNA structure (codons etc). ;)

Also, on a sidenote, it is possible he acquired flight from Peter via the empathic mechanism of his IA, as he had more of a connection with the younger Petrelli at one point, and was in a better position to understand him in their "bonding" moments of S3. --Stevehim 00:38, 15 November 2009 (EST)

        • I don't know about you, but I've always called what Sylar does in those cases "the empathy aspect of his ability". I know it's still IA, but it's not the usual way he uses it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:13, 15 November 2009 (EST)
          • No, I think we agree here. It's just that sometimes people simplify it to "empathy" which leads to all kinds of debate and confusion (eg - above). My comments weren't really directed at you. :) --Stevehim 04:32, 16 November 2009 (EST)
            • Writers said in a BTE that there was no difference between EM and the "empathicly used IA" so of course people get confused. I don't think EM was "automatic". It just turned that way because of Peter. It started by touch with one power at a time, while in presence of other specials. Maybe Arthur too had that at first, but made that evolve to power absorbption. Peter, I think, by absorbing too many powers, "broke" his EM. He became a sponge, there was no more empathy. But whith Sylar it might just be it actually, EM that doesn't go wrong. "Understand the feelings of others" is just the perfect definition of empathy... If "Draph" has ability replication, because he touches in order to get powers, then why doesn't Sylar have EM ? He takes powers without touching, by understanding their feelings, and doesn't steal their powers. So clearly, Either Draph or Sylar is a problem here since their mimic powers share at many common points with another one(s).
              • Do you know which BTE that was? --Stevehim 15:04, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                • I would say the one after Sylar got Elle's ability, which would make it the tenth or so BTE. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:14, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                  • Thanks, found it (I think).
                    “In ‘It's Coming’ we saw Sylar absorb an ability the same way Peter did, ‘empathically.’ Does this mean that Arthur, Sylar and Peter all in fact have the same ability, just access it differently? And would this mean that Sylar could learn to remove abilities like Arthur does?”.......Hmmmm. It certainly would seem to follow that logic… wouldn’t it?

                    Problem is, it's somewhat vague, and if we were to take it at face value, we'd almost be forced to group EM, IA and Power Absorption under one page. --Stevehim 21:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                    • Since Knox's super strength has nothing to do with Mohinder's but still is on the same page, that would make sense. Like a page : "Mimicry", with all the different way a mimic power has manifested (IA, EM, AR, PA). But it's not the BTE you were looking for actually, I remember exactly "how is that different from Peter's way to absorb powers ?" answer : "it's not !" . Like Peter had to activate (by understanding how a complex mechanism works) IA, and Sylar had to find his empathy to use EM. Actually, they even say in the DVD season 3 features that Arthur's power is an evolved form of EM. So yeah I don't see why it is separated here since there is only two mimic on the show.

Scare quotes

Using scare quotes to refer to the Sylar-Nathan hybrid is fine. Specifically, it's okay to say something like "Nathan" lies in a hospital bed. However, to quote The Chicago Manual of Style, "scare quotes lose their force and irritate readers if overused." Scare quotes are only needed periodically, not every time the name appears. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

Sylar

when Nathan was falling do you guys think Sylar was just toying with Peter to just mess with him and making him fell really bad? and Also i think it was funny how Peter nailed Sylar to the floor lol Very good episode --Skyeatsout 21:14, 30 November 2009 (EST)

  • Anybody else have a flashback to Season 1 when Peter had him nailed down? Looked very much like Isaac's death scene to me. Swm 05:16, 1 December 2009 (EST)
  • While Peter isn't winning any prizes for intelligence, I'm pretty sure he would know whether it was Nathan or not. Sylar would have probably pushed Peter off the roof when he was so vulnerable anyhow. However, I don't understand how Peter was able to physically overpower Sylar, he's quite a bit smaller.--PJDEP 11:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, it doesn’t make sense. Maybe Peter gained some muscle being New York’s savior. Or the adrenaline could have kicked in beating his brother (and father)’s murderer. --Boycool42 16:14, 21 January 21, 2010 (EST)
      • That and Sylar's so used to having abilities to fight; if going by the timeline it's probably been years since he had a physical fight, plus René's ability could have affected him in some unknown way, making his reactions and thoughts lesser. --mc_hammark 16:17, 21 January 2010 (EST)

Is anyone else sick of him?

As much as I love Zachary Quinto, his character is beginning to irritate me. I found myself disappointed after Peter let go of "Nathan" and Sylar was able to walk away. It's enough, after four seasons I really just don't care about everyone's favorite psychopath. Because, honestly, when you get right down to it his life has no purpose. Sure, he likes to acquire new powers which could cause trouble for the evolved human population, but that plot line has been used. Over and over again. He's both very funny and terrifying, but now that Nathan is dead and that particular situation is resolved, he isn't contributing much to the story. Maybe I'm ranting too much, but I can't help wishing that he should have just died in tonight's episode.--PJDEP 21:30, 30 November 2009 (EST)

I agree completely. I think that they should stop before the destroy the character. His storyline's contribute to hardly anything then what they did in the first season. I think it's time someone just stabbed a metal spike through his brain or even removed his brain. --Scorvi12 22:07, 30 November 2009 (EST)

  • I'm not really sick of him. I only wish they hadn't made him so omnipotent. I enjoyed the plotline he had running around Matt's head, and now that he has his own body back it sets up an arc where he goes after Peter and Angela again. I certainly don't think he should have died tonight, not least because it would be near impossible to pull off and make it stick. Even if Peter had put those nails into Sylar's skull instead of his hands and legs, he'd regenerate as soon as somebody pulled them out. May I also point out to Scorvil that very few, if any of the characters have a storyline close to what they had in Season 1, so that can't be levelled at Sylar alone. Swm 05:23, 1 December 2009 (EST)
    • His character is excellent, it's just his place in the story that bothers me. After seeing him put on his trucker's hat at the end of The Fifth Stage gave me the impression that he was going on an evolved human hunt again. If he wanted revenge against Peter he could have just taken him out after he regenerated, if Arthur could throw off the Haitian's mental manipulation Sylar should be able to as well. Also, Peter didn't seem to be in any rush to return to Angela. In any case, Sylar's "cat and mouse" routine is getting tiresome. They could set up a story arc revolving around him and Samuel, but I can't see Sylar being beneath anyone. Also, Future Peter was killed when the Haitian suppressed his RCR and Claire shot him, and Arthur was killed with a bullet to the head when his powers were fully functional, so it shouldn't be that hard to eliminate him.--PJDEP 11:00, 1 December 2009 (EST)
      • I'm pretty sure the hat shot was him from Once Upon a Time in Texas. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 12:15, 1 December 2009 (EST)
        • @PJDEP: Arthur was FAR more powerful than Sylar (mentally and ability-wise), and so could fight off the Haitian's power. Sylar, on the other hand, was caught off-guard by Peter blocking his abilities. Mike 23:51, 1 December 2009 (EST)
          • I agree. Saying "Arthur did it, so Sylar should be able to" doesn't work because Arthur was way, way stronger then Sylar is even now, just in terms of number of abilities if nothing else. Swm 13:07, 2 December 2009 (EST)
            • Only reason I considered them equal was because Sylar was able to hold Arthur in place while he telekinetically drove a bullet into his skull. Also, Peter seemed to believe that Sylar could defeat Arthur (not that really means anything however).--PJDEP 13:39, 2 December 2009 (EST)
              • Being able to pin somebody in place for about a second (as long as needed for the bullet to go through the head) is really not much of an indication at all. Besides, if Arthur and Sylar were equal, Arthur wouldn't have been able to suspend Sylar off the ground using his own TK, right? Swm 17:34, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                • It was more then a second, Sylar questioned Arthur about his parentage before shooting him. Arthur also wasn't able to stop the bullet, something Sylar has done on multiple occasions. I suppose it is possible Arthur is more powerful, there are just some irregularities with that idea.--PJDEP 17:43, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                  • It also could be that the hatian was blocking arthurs powers at the time.Gamerelite1 18:47, 2 December 2009 (EST)
                  • The Haitian's control had broken earlier, evidenced by the fact that Arthur telekinetically sliced Peter's cheek open shortly before Sylar walked in.--PJDEP 18:56, 2 December 2009 (EST)

WHAT! SICK OF SYLAR:O Hell no, i think he is the best villian ever but i just hated to see him trapped in everyones body, but now he's on his own again, being a 24/7 villian :) -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 18:52, 2 December 2009 (EST)

  • I agree, his character is good, just played out. There isn't much else he can do. They've shown him on an evolved human hunt, they've shown him without powers, they've shown him on the road to redemption, they've shown him on the road away from redemption, they de powered him again. I really hope they drop his story line for a few episodes.--PJDEP 18:56, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • I'm not sick of him. I think he has plenty of more story lines to live through. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs 20:55, 2 December 2009 (EST)

Sylar looks

  • i think we're going to see some things from Season 3's future for example Sylar and his Child, Noah. Sylar+Claire=Noah ewwww

and Peter getting a scar maybe --Skyeatsout 22:30, 4 January 2010 (EST)

    • I don't really think that future will play out after the events of Pass/Fail. (Claire+Gretchen=What heck the was that?) I’m still waiting for Peter’s scar though.

Automatic mimicry?

While he had to make a emotional connection with Elle and James Martin to absorb their abilities, he was not with Lydia very long before he absorbed her ability. Does this mean he simply has to see an ability being used to take it?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:15, 4 January 2010 (EST)

  • It's not quite as simple as just seeing the ability, I think (otherwise he'd have Terrakinesis as well, and god knows how many other powers). I think it's just getting easier for Sylar to connect with people the more abilities he absorbs through that method. He was obviously quite attracted to Lydia, so that must be the link. Lust is an emotion too, after all (might strike you as a little woolly, but I didn't write it). Swm 06:56, 5 January 2010 (EST)

He has also aquired Clairesense (dont know if thats how you spell it)so anything that belongs to the a person e.g. their clothes he can asorb where that item has been match that to the empathy he now has and intuitive amplitude and Sylar basically does exactly the same thing as emphathic mimicry but in a different way [[User:|devane1835]] 23:21, 26 January 2010 (GMT)

Which hand and direction does Sylar use his TK to "scalp" a victim?

I don't know whether this is important or not but I'm just interested. And well it could be trivia worthy? - Spocklar91

  • I believe it's his right hand and he usually moves from left to right when cutting. At least, that's what he did with Samuel.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:20, 5 January 2010 (EST)
  • He doesn't always use the same hand. ZQ is left-handed, but in an interview he said he varies the hand, depending on the position of the camera or what the director thinks would look best. RedScharlach 09:35, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Good?

Sylar is the best villian that i know, i really love the character. He killed and fought against dozen of people (Including real strong ones like Peter, Arthur, His dad), but he cant kill Samuel????! i mean he just has one ability (a strong ability but still). Is Sylar becoming good? I REALLY WONT LIKE THAT! -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 02:27, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • Their is something wrong with Sylar at this point, we don't know what it is, we will find out soon. -- (WaterRatj) 01:00, 8 January 2010 (EST)
    • i can't see them making him good but they'd probably try and make him morally grey or an anti-hero because even when he's his normal self he'll put his anger or psychopath tendancies aside to acomplish a goal.[[User:|devane1835]] 23:21, 26 January 2010 (GMT)
      • I'm sorry, but I really think that the only way to fix Sylar's character now is to have him lose control and cut Peter's head open. Peter would say something along the lines of "That was a mistake!" and heal himself with Claire's power. Peter doesn't die and Sylar gets to be bad as$ again, but Syar as a good-guy stinks.--Dance4thedead 21:55, 9 February 2010 (EST)
        • Given you've only seen him in one episode, and he did tie up doyle like he did when he was bad, I don't think it's faire to say that he stinks as a good guy. --mc_hammark 12:28, 10 February 2010 (EST)
          • Heh, I like that scene; especially his expression when saying "I like it!".--DrIstvaan 14:12, 10 February 2010 (EST)

Telepathy

I know I'm sticking a hank of beef in a piranha tank, but I gotta ask--doesn't he have Telepathy? Isn't that what he used to transfer his consciousness from Matt to his "real" body? I'm pretty sure I remember him saying something like that when he was in Matt. Or is it that he didn't have IA in Matt, and therefore doesn't have Telepathy? Or that there's something else going on I don't know about?--Uncanny474 17:04, 7 January 2010 (EST)

  • With IA, clairsentience, lie detection, and empathy, he basically DOES have telepathy. Boycool42 16:26, 21 January 2010 (EST)
  • He only had telepathy because he was pretty much Matt's mind. He had access to it because he was consciously Matt. That's what I took from it.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:09, 7 January 2010 (EST)
    • I know he said something like "I can use your ability" to Matt, but I agree with Catalyst its probably cause he was in Matt's mind, and with Telepathy being a mind based ability he figured out how to access it most likely. --Leckie -- Talk 17:14, 7 January 2010 (EST)
    • Also, he changes his genetics when he absorbs an ability, which is something he can't do without a body. I doubt the writers would give him the power to control others thoughts on top of being immortal and having a whole slew of offensive powers.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)
      • Sylar had Matt's ability while in Matt's head- Matt had it for the most part (like when he tried to get the cops to shoot both him and Sylar), but Sylar seems to access it near the end (Matt even says "He's got my power!"). However, that only means Sylar's mind could tap into Matt's telepathy, much like how Peter had access to Sound Manipulation while in Jesse's body. It doesn't mean that Sylar's body can still use the ability of Telepathy. So no, he doesn't have it. Swm 05:58, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Let It Bleed (mistake i mean Upon This Rock)

Where was he mentioned? i watched the episode again but didn't hear anything about Sylar. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:08, 10 January 2010 (EST)

I'm confused as to what you mean because Sylar had a huge role in "Let it bleed" Samuel "killed" him with his Terrakinesis. He took Lydia's ability without killing her, and shows up outside Claire's window at the end of the episode. If you meant "Upon this rock" well apparently "Gabriel Gray" appears on the files that Claire is looking through. At least that's what the summary implies.--Dman dustin 16:13, 10 January 2010 (EST)
  • Lol, i mean Upon This Rock (Sometimes i'm so stupid lol)-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:31, 10 January 2010 (EST)
    • He as mentioned alot. ~~IHHTalk 16:35, 10 January 2010 (EST)
      • Well, i watched the episode again but wasn't able to hear anything about him... -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:39, 10 January 2010 (EST)
        • Why is it a stub? He was only mentioned in the files. --Jmfdr91 03:29, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Identity crisis

He doesn't appear to be hunting down those associated with his identity crisis at all, he went to Samuel first (who had nothing to do with Sylar's mind-bottling), and now it looks like he's about to set up the world's most dysfunctional romance with Claire. Can this be removed from the introduction paragraph then?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:56, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Close One

Holy crap, I didn't even think what would happen if Sylar got Emma's ability. That was a close one, here's hoping Peter can prevent it altogether. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:33, 11 January 2010 (EST)

  • I don't know, Peter seems to be under the impression that while he can't save Emma, someone else can. And unless I'm mistaken, right before Sylar began to cut open Emma's head he said something like "Don't worry, I'll save you". It may happen.....--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:37, 11 January 2010 (EST)
    • I think the idea was that she was somehow incapable of not using her power, and desperately wanting some kind of way out. Sylar arrives to "save her", while taking a little something for himself. A truly terrifying possibility. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:37, 11 January 2010 (EST)
      • It's even more terrifying when you start to wonder where Samuel may fit into all of this.... Perhaps Emma/Sylar lures them, and Samuel buries them beneath the earth? The possibilities are endless.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:44, 11 January 2010 (EST)
        • Where did you guys see Emma getting her head ripped open by Sylar? All I saw was him saying he was here to save her and then she smiled. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:23, 14 January 2010 (EST)
          • Watch his hand. Right at the end of his shot, you see him slowly lifting it, likely in preparation. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:06, 14 January 2010 (EST)
            • I might be mistaken but I think that chainsaw-like noise that Sylar makes when he does his thing starts at the very end of the vision.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:26, 14 January 2010 (EST)
              • I wonder how people were being killed. Was Emma just luring them so that someone else could kill them, or was she channeling a negative emotion like her fear to kill people with her own music?--Referos 16:15, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                • In my opinion, she was just attracting people to be killed by some other source (most likely Samuel, given that she was at the carnival).--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 16:35, 14 January 2010 (EST)
                  • I kind of assumed Emma's music was doing the killing. In the beginning of the dream, she doesn't look upset or scared, she looks angry. Angry like she wants to make the world suffer angry. The fact people are screaming in the background as she's playing doesn't hurt (though I recognise these dreams can be very metaphorical). I too second this idea that Sylar will split open her head for her power, and I find it equally scary. Think about it. If Sylar gets that power, all he will need to do to get any other ability is be in the vicinity of his target and start humming to lead the poor sod right to him. Swm 16:54, 14 January 2010 (EST)

Oh, Lord... That shouldn't happen, but it very well might.--ERROR 20:43, 14 January 2010 (EST)

No powers?

Given he now believes that he needs to lose his powers, you think he'll bring back Arthur? But what was he doing at Matt's house? I think he's going to steal Matt's life, don't you? or since he called himself Gabriel, maybe he's going to want to have his memory destroyed! --mc_hammark 08:05, 19 January 2010 (EST)

  • Most likely he wants Matt to put a mental leash on his abilities. He'd still have all of his memories, but no access to his abilities, even if they're there and he knows about them. That's what I think Sylar wants. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:27, 19 January 2010 (EST)
    • This is crazy. The whole point of Sylar is that he wants to be special! Why not find a fellow female serial killer with IA for company, and take her to Claire?--Ratclaws 09:35, 19 January 2010 (EST)
      • Totally agree with you Ratclaws!-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 11:45, 19 January 2010 (EST)
      • Perhaps he's sick of trying to be "special" and just wants to be like everyone else? It is a reformation after all.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:19, 19 January 2010 (EST)
        • The volume is titled redemption. Sylar's going to matt to probably have him turn his powers off.Gamerelite1 15:40, 19 January 2010 (EST)
          • How could matt turn powers off? I smell a promo! --mc_hammark 15:45, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Maybe Peter's powers are going to evolve into power absorption and he's going to take every single one of sylar's powers from him. daevon 16:03, 19 January 2010 (EST)

  • Maybe Matt jr? Putting his powers off? -- (WaterRatj) 16:06, 19 January 2010 (EST)
    • I think this is "old Sylar" all over again. Remember, with his mother and even with Elle he was always asking if it wasn't enough to be just Gabriel, but they always told him how special he was. So maybe now he thinks he doesn't have to be special anymore or something.--Vanityvicious 17:52, 20 January 2010 (EST)
      • I swear, if they reset his powers AGAIN, I may stop watching the show. This is just getting ridiculous. This is, what, the fourth time he's lost them? Is it like a rule--every season, he has to lose all his powers?--Uncanny474 20:23, 20 January 2010 (EST)
        • Second. He only lost his powers once to the Shanti Virus. He temporarily couldn't access his powers during the Eclipse. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:52, 20 January 2010 (EST)
          • Desi's right. This plot twist has only been pulled once before, so it's far from ridiculous. Swm 06:22, 21 January 2010 (EST)
        • The redemption plot line has been used also, and that bothers me more. There's a difference between "morally grey" and "constantly flip-flopping between good and evil".--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:33, 21 January 2010 (EST)
          • I really don't see this as Sylar being "redeemed" like in the Villians arc. Hiro told him he'd die alone chronologically back in S1, so he's wanting companionship. After talking with Claire, he seems to think the only way he can find it is by losing his abilities, hence he's gone to Matt. It's self-interest. The guy's still evil, essentially, although there's still a lingering effect of Nathan's memories and personality in him that makes him hesitate before killing people. In Volume 3, he was actually trying to be a good guy. There seems to be a difference to me. Swm 07:40, 22 January 2010 (EST)
            • That's a good point. I don't know, it could be interesting, but Sylar's character has essentially been destroyed in my opinion. I'm not sure whether this would "redeem" him, or simply drive another nail into his coffin.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:38, 22 January 2010 (EST)
              • For what it's worth, I do think Sylar has suffered from over-use, to say the least. Derailing his character has kind of come as a consequence of that, especially the hunger. Part of it's simply that's become so omnipotent now he can literally do almost anything, and because he's so popular he'll always walk away from everything even if other characters exploit his weaknesses (mental manipulation, glass shard through the head, etc). I still like the character (there's a reason why he's as popular as he is), but I certainly wouldn't mind him being relegated to the sidelines for a Volume or so (same with Claire...). Or they could just strip him down to his TK and absolutely nothing else (given how insanely skilled he is with that power, it would power him down quite nicely) so he's still a threat, but can be reasonably taken down. Swm 20:15, 22 January 2010 (EST)
  • I've been thinking, do you think Parkman will only be able to suppress Sylar's abilities or completely remove them from his brain? The former method would stop him from using abilities like TK or electric manipulation, but would it affect his passive abilities? I feel that an ability like RCR will work even if forgotten, as it isn't an active task, it's something his body will do automatically. Thoughts?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:56, 22 January 2010 (EST)
    • Well, even Sylar's active powers started coming back when Matt made him simply forget, right? That's when "Nathan" started freaking out, so I'd probably say Sylar is hoping for the latter. At the same time, I don't think Matt can actually alter Sylar's brain, which is what he'd need to do to take his powers away forever. Swm 04:17, 23 January 2010 (EST)

I don't get it

This entire "Sylar can no longer kill" plot seems a bit absurd to me. How come he could easily kill Hank while in Matt's body? Note that Shadowboxing was after Once Upon a Time in Texas, so Sylar killed Hank in the new timeline in which he learnt from Hiro that he would die alone. Nonsense.--Referos 11:42, 23 January 2010 (EST)

  • I don't really get it either. All the events throughout the series is different, even though it is the same. Now, When Sylar killed Zane Taylor, Isaac, and other the others, he had already had the conversation with Hiro. Why does he stop killing now. It took him about 2 years for that conversation with Hiro to sink in? They didn't think this through all the way.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:51, 23 January 2010 (EST)
    • Perhaps something happened to Sylar during his journey to the carnival, though I doubt that. Maybe one of the carnies manipulated him as he was about to attack Samuel. He may have killed Hank because he was desperate to get back to his body, but, then again, he did try to kill Angela immediately after returning to his body. I think the most reasonable answer is that, since he was essentially omnipotent by the time he arrived at the carnival, killing would no longer be necessary, which then caused Sylar to think and decide that all he needs is a person to share his life with. Yes, that would be a terrible explanation if it were true but I can't think of anything else. It may be something that we'll just have to accept.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 12:09, 23 January 2010 (EST)
      • I think he was able to kill Hank because he was in Matt's body and had a goal other than power collecting, but now he's got that back, he can't kill for power because of what Hiro said, he'll collect a lot of them then die alone. --mc_hammark 12:37, 23 January 2010 (EST)
        • I think that when "Nathan" gave up fighting sylar for control, he was still in his body, and hes still in his body now and thats what's making sylar such a softy now. As far as why he killed hank, because that was the "real" mean, serial killer sylar and his mind wasnt somewhat joined with nathans yet. So what im really saying is that since sylar's returned to his body, his traits and nathans traits mixed and nathan's good traits are overpowering sylar's bad traits. daevon 13:46, 23 January 2010 (EST)
          • It's not Hiro's words that meant Sylar couldn't kill anymore- as you said, he had many seasons of killing after that point. It's basically Nathan's influence, I think- he's only had a problem with killing since he moved back into his own body. Sylar's evil consciousness had no problem killing, but his body was repulsed by it- the scene in the house of mirrors in Tabula Rasa is the obvious proof. Since the two are together, there's a mixture of the two extremes in him now. While he did attempt to kill Angela in Thanksgiving, that was the "evil mind" fighting against Nathan's consciousness. The two seem to have become fused as it stands, hence why he's now different. If any of this sounds far-fetched...I didn't write it! I'm not the biggest fan of Sylar's logic at the moment either. I'm just trying to understand it. Swm 14:05, 23 January 2010 (EST)
  • I'm inclined to think it was Peter who had this affect on Sylar, maybe inadvertently. When he had René's ability, he tried to erase all that's Sylar to make Nathan resurface. He didn't wipe Sylar's whole personality, but maybe he took away the villanious part of it -- maybe the Hunger itself.
    In my opinion, it was already curious that, after falling from the roof and regaining his original form, Sylar didn't try to track down Peter to have revenge for the pain he gave him, but just waved goodbye and walked off. I don't think the mere fact that Peter could negate his abilities was enough to put him off; we've already seen he can do dirty things even without powers.--DrIstvaan 04:53, 6 February 2010 (EST)

This guy's addicted to TK

I was certain that he'd use disintegration to break out of the actual wall in Parkman's basement, but instead he blows his way out with TK. I mean, disintegration is made for that kind of situation.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

  • Perhaps he's just not so much accustomed to using Miller's ability. He's had tk for a longer time and learned to depend on it in most situations. And like how the writers said, he's really linked into this ability as this was the first ability he acquired.

Plus, I think Disintegration requires intense concentration, it took Miller several seconds before activating his ability when he fist(and lasT) showed his ability on a figurine.--Realistic

    • It's as I said. Sylar loves his telekinesis, lightning, and regeneration, and generally ignores the rest. A cynical man may say this is to save a bit of money by not having to use all the other sound effects. An interesting in-universe explanation might be that the closer Sylar was to the original holder of the power, the more he prefers to use it. Brian was his first kill and he felt so badly about it he tried to hang himself, and he appeared to truly care for Elle even if he didn't love her. Compare this to the holders of his other offensive powers and their relationship with Sylar- Bob meant nothing to him, and the same was true of Jesse. Tom Miller was only killed as an example to show Danko he wasn't prepared to hide who he was. It seems this, as well as his huge amount of practise with the power, is why Sylar spams his TK so much. Swm 17:17, 2 February 2010 (EST)