Talk:Peter Petrelli/Archive 4

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Peter + Alchemy?

Don't ask why this just occured to me, but when Peter met Bob in "Four Months Ago" isn't he either always in the presence of the Haitian or Peter himself is on the "Haitian tablets"? If so, wouldn't both cases suppress his empathic mimicry (so Peter wouldn't absorb alchemy from Bob). --Matchu 23:12, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

The Haitian was not shown when they first captured him, at the hospital. - Josh (talk/contribs) 23:19, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Good point, I was thinking of just when he woke up in the office. Thanks! --Matchu 23:21, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Peter and Freezing

Shouldn't Tracy be noted in the powers exposed section for Peter? I mean: He was in a coma when they were together but he was still exposed to her power. Sylar is already there for freezing but should it be noted that he was exposed to the ability again? - FlamingTomDude 01:25, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

• I believe the coma was designed to suppress his abilities (or his healing would kick in and bring him out of it). So it's unlikely his empathic mimicry was working meaning he wouldn't have absorbed her ability (even though, as you said, he's already got it off Sylar)--Matchu 01:27, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Right that makes sense. It almost seems like freezing is an ability the writers don't want him to have. Both times he was exposed to Tracy he was unable to use his ability, and there's been no mention of it between him and Sylar. I wish the writers would stop doing that. - FlamingTomDude 01:13, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Well, there you go. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:31, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Significant Other?

Caitlin is listed as a current significant other on this page, yet Peter seems to have forgotten all about her. He's been back to the future and hasn't mentioned or looked for her so that seems to downplay her, well, significance. Maybe its time to remove her from that slot. --Nowayjose 04:47, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

• She used to be a significant other (and to be fair, in the timeline of Heroes, she was only lost in the future a few days ago), so I'll put "formerly". Semi-related: The future that Caitlin is lost in (which we call the "outbreak future") is not the same future that Peter just visited (which we call the "exposed future"). Further, check out what writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite have to say about Caitlin's demise: "Peter's trapped Caitlin in a future that doesn't exist anymore. It's pretty hard to get back from that." Hmm... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:10, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

• They can say what they want, but a plot hole is a plot hole. Even if the future she got lost in doesn't exist any longer, Peter should still remember she existed. You'd think he might mention losing his "significant other" even if he couldn't get her back. Nowayjose 05:22, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Set rules for Peter and Empathic Mimicry

I was trying to standardize all the pages with respect to Peter's mimicry, and I'm still not sure exactly what the rules are. Since this is a major issue in that it spans as many pages as anything, I think we should establish a set of rules for describing things. When he is exposed to vs when he mimicks them are fairly decided, but 4 questions I feel we need to answer are:

1. When does Peter absorb an ability? Is it when he's exposed to it, or when he demonstrates it? We need to know this to list episodes on the ability pages.
   • I think it's an individual case. If he suddenly exhibits clairvoyance in the next episode (which is obviously an impossibility), we would say something like "Clairvoyance (absorbed from Molly Walker in How to Stop an Exploding Man, exhibited in Eris Quod Sum). Something like his precognitive dreams--those were chronologically first demonstrated in Six Months Ago, first seen by the audience in Genesis, first revealed in The Second Coming, and absorbed at some earlier time we don't know of. Not all that information needs to go on the page, but we just record whatever necessary info we need to. We discuss odd cases. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
2. Should we skip the absorption concept altogether, and just list exposed and demonstarted on each ability page? That might be the best bet.
   • No, I think it's important to have the absorption part in there. If Peter suddenly exhibited persuasion, people would definitely want to know where he got it from. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
3. Super-speed...mimicked in I Am Become Death, but when did he absorb it? In Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration Part 2 from Daphne, or due to Haitian blocking, in IABD from an unknown pedestrian in the future?
   • I think we leave the absorption blank since we don't know when it was. Then we put a note that explains that Daphne was near him in the shipping container, that he was near a whole bunch of pedestrian speedsters, and even that he was near Daphne at the Bennets' house. (When was the Haitian there?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
4. Intuitive Aptitude...mimicked in I Am Become Death; was it absorbed in Homecoming?
   • Since we don't know, we leave it blank. We explain what we do know in the notes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Any other questions/clarifications I missed? Stevehim 21:49, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

• I think you've got the main ones. General rule: record what we know, but save explanations for odd cases or things that are ambiguous and put them in the notes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:58, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

• Gotcha. Thanks. In #3, I meant when the Haitian was chasing him in the GN (and so if he was being blocked, it would fall to the unknown pedestrian in IABD), though I see now it was awkwardly worded on my part. --Stevehim 19:16, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
• I think that it doesn't really matter for notation on when he absorbed it on the mimic template. It's obvious he absorbed it, so why does it need to be noted? On the Peterexposed template, it's important to note it, but once he demonstrates it, I think it's a moot point. He can use it, that's all that matters. --Bob (talk) 15:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Powers Lost

If Arthur only stole lightning then that would mean the minute he used it Peter would have been exposed to it once again and should have been able to use it against his father. --Snow Leapord 23:16, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

• Good point. Wait, does this mean Arthur stole empathic mimicry? Paradox! --Aburu 23:18, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I believe he stole empathic mimicy, every power Peter mimicked, and every power Peter was exposed to, but can only prove Lightning for now. --Snow Leapord 23:27, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • He did say "You don't have your powers anymore Peter, because I have them now." That means he should have all of them. For the infobox we should only list abilities that are confirmed stolen because it needs to stay concise, however in the body of the article I think it's ok to include all of Peter's in the list of abilities that have been taken. (Admin 23:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
      • Also worth pointing out that whilst he might have all of Peter's powers, he probably doesn't know what they all are, in the same way that Peter absorbs powers but doesn't necessarily know he can use them (such as most of Sylar's powers). Photolysis 07:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I removed Telekinesis from the list (well, it's only one now) of abilities (other than Empathic Mimicry) we can confirm he's lost. The only abilities he and his father used (or tried to use) in that scene altogether were Invisibility (when Peter arrived), Arthur's Ability, and Lightning (when Peter arrived, and after Arthur stole Peter's powers). Ricard Desi 10:40, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
          • In my point of view, when Peter got loose from the absorption, he tried to use Telekinesis on Arthur, check this image.

As Ricard says this could be another ability but i think it's Telekinesis. --Futurepeter 13:29, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

• He could have tried to use any ability, even pyrokinesis right there! I think its pretty self explanatory that Peter lost ALL of his abilities to his father, not just two. but i think we should still keep them in the "known abilities mimicked" category cause in the past he HAS MIMICKED them before :), i think we should just make a note that his father stole his abilities, and not list each individual one he stole. --Pbmarcano 15:37, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
• Peter may have been trying to use his lightning there, since it has a similar motion, so we don't know that he's lost telekinesis (for the infobox purposes). We do have evidence that he has lost empathic mimicry, however, as he would have regained his powers upon losing them. --Stevehim 15:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't think he lost Empathic Mimicry, only all the powers he mimicked. If he lost it he can only get an ability by using the formula. --Futurepeter 16:05, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
    • If he didn't lose empathic mimicry, then he should've immediately regained all of his powers from Arthur, not to mention Knox, Maury, Daphne, and Flint. As for how he can regain powers, we don't really know how Arthur's power works, so it's possible it could simply be reversed, rather than Peter having to resort to a formula. --Stevehim 17:31, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • There's no reason to believe he didn't lose all his abilities. His empathic mimicry is his base ability and Arthur stole Adam's base ability, too. So there's nothing special about it. (Admin 17:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
        • Absolutely. I was only referencing it to be included as listed in the infobox as lost, since it was demonstrated that it's gone. It's a passive power, essentially 'always on,' and so that we see it didn't work is a demonstration of it being lost. --Stevehim 17:41, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Ah, I see. The infobox is a different case usually. Since it's supposed to be a concise set of information it's usually restricted to things directly observed so that there doesn't have to be clarification (which would clutter up an infobox, but is ok for the body of the article). Personally I don't think we should list any abilities lost in the infobox, I'd rather leave that in the body where it can just be explained that Arthur took his abilities. Then we can list them all to our heart's content. :) (Admin 17:48, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
          • I think that he took empathic mimicry from peter and then he took lightning. -- Kaiser1 11:07, 22 October 2008
• We're working on getting an interview with Chuck Kim, the writer of Dying of the Light, so this is a question that could be asked. Stay tuned, it will be announced at the top of the site once it's setup. (Admin 20:08, 21 October 2008 (EDT))
• This is a ridiculous argument. It is blatantly obvious that: 1) Peter lost all his powers, including "Empathic Mimicry", and 2) that Arthur now has ALL of Peters abilities.

There is no need to get all riled up because I guarantee that Peter will eventually either get all his powers back or at the very least empathic mimicry. If you posit that Arthur did not steal Empathic Mimicry but he stole everything else, then you must by necessity also posit that Arthur's ability only works for people who have stolen other people's powers (which is wrong because he stole the healing ability from Adam Monroe who has no record of being able to 'steal' abilities from others). But more importantly, Peter is a main character who has had an extremely strong presence in the show since the beginning; they are not going to keep him completely without powers for any serious length of time, because that would upset many viewers, thus cause show ratings to drop, and ultimately cause NBC to earn less money than they could have. The executive producers would never allow that. It is therefore only logical to assume that Peter at the very least will regain his Empathic Mimicry, if not all his previous powers. While the way the show deals with time hasn't been consistent, future peter can potentially be used to demonstrate the fact that Peter regained most if not all of his powers back eventually. Remember that there is a whole backstory about Peter now having to cope with Sylar's hunger - do you think they would just end that flat right now without even bothering to go into it? I find it unlikely. And while we're being logical here, I'll state the premises by which I present these arguments (in other words, the arguments I make are essentially infallible given the following assumptions): 1) that the show's internal consistency with its own pseudoreality-based universe remains approximately the same, 2) that the show will handle character transformations of prominent cast members by roughly the same formula as previous seasons, and 2) Peter is going to remain a key member of the cast. :-) --Logic 00:53, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

• • I guess the reason why the creators let Arthur take all of Peter's abilities was, that Peter's got too powerful. He had so much abilities, that he was almost invicible, giving him the option of resolving any problem that comes his way. Well, nevetheless they couldn't let him solve ALL his problems through his powers, because the show would've gone boring very fast. So they restrained Peter from using some abilities at some point, which would've elsewise made the difference. And then fans started asking (look at some CBR interviews for that matter) why Peter is so stupid, not using this certain ability whatsoever. So they figured out, that they could introduce his father as a villain, remove all of Peter's abilities and later give him back his mimicry or another power with the formula. It's then easier to kill off his father than a main protagonist that is strongly liked by fans. --BloodyFox, 16:22, 25 October 2008 (CEST)
    • Reminds me of X-Men, when they knew they had too many mutants, the Scarlet Witch said "No More Mutants" and ended up stripping all but a select few of them from their powers. Dracomaster4 22:40, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't have the original but the Behind The Eclipse 5 summary here they say that "Peter can use any of his abilities, but it can be difficult for him to use two at one time". Since I didn't see the entire thing that could mean before he lost his abilities. --Snow Leapord 13:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

• They meant before. They mentioned that the question was no longer "relevant" at the moment GabrielPetrelli 13:36, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps a bit of wonderment.. Since Peter Automatically mimics powers, and was in the presence of his father, Did Peter steal a power? He could have even stolen power theft, leaving Arthur is using the empathic version. I'm assuming that he didnt absorb any of the abilities that he has shown proficiency with, as he would have tried all of them to be sure. --Tempest 21:09, 18 November 2008

• Peter had Arthur's ability as soon as he entered the room in that episode, but obviously he didn't have enough time to know or use it. I'm pretty sure Arthur took ALL of his abilities, including empathic mimicry. Peter is pretty much how he was before the eclipse now, but it's still in his DNA so i'm guessing that he'll get his power back after the next one which is coming up, but he probably won't know it right away. Since it seems like everyone else will be losing their powers, he'll have to get close to some new character who has powers.--Bloodbath (talk) 22:50, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Powers vs. Abilities

I was thinking maybe we should change the "Powers Mimicked" and "Powers Exposed" headers to "Abilities Mimicked" and "Abilities Exposed"... just for the sake of conformity with the rest of the site. What do you think? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:32, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

• Either is acceptable. If you want to change it, feel free! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:48, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Using the term "Empathic mimicry" to define Peter's "base" ability

I don't really see how the term "Empathic" makes any sense when referring to Peter's primary ability. I present nine definitions of Empathic below:

1 an empathic is someone who is able to emit his forces and penetrate a receptive, or empathized.
2 Having the capability to share the emotions of another through psychic means.
3 Similar to telepathic. An empathic being can intimately sense the emotions of others, but not individual thought patterns.
4 the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner.
5 the ability to share in another's emotions or feelings by assimilation of subtle energy exchanges within the etheric bodies.
6 showing empathy or ready comprehension of others' states; "a sensitive and empathetic school counselor"
7 Empathy (from Greek, transliterated as empatheia, meaning "physical affection, partiality") is commonly defined as feeling or expressing emotion for another.
8 Showing or expressing empathy
9 of, pertaining to, or characterized by empathy

There are several problems, but the most major are:

• Every single one of the definitions without exception deals with an emotional understanding or connection, none of which Peter has demonstrated (if anything, he's demonstrated the opposite).
• Every one the definitions that involve more than just showing emotions (1-6) all involve direct awareness of this empathy.

Not only have we never seen once that Peter's ability has anything at all to do with emotions or his understanding of other people's cognitive "states", but more importantly, virtually every time he's absorbed a power he didn't actively demonstrate the ability to absorb it. It has always been portrayed as a passive ability - Peter naturally "absorbs" other peoples powers and does not notice when they occur unless they cause direct physiological changes to his body or mental state (if he finds himself glowing because he absorbed Teds radiation ability, for example). All of the definitions above deal with an ability to understand others' states involve INTENT and CONTROL of this ability. The definitions describe someone who is "able to emit his forces", someone who has the "capability to share the emotions of another", who can "intimately sense the emotions of others", etc, which all suggests ACTIVE use, not Peter's passive ability. Even in recent episodes when he wanted Sylar's ability, he was not able to "absorb" it in an ACTIVE manner, and the Episode demonstrated this. He ended up getting Sylar's ability through passive means (it would seem after watching the episode that the writers intended the audience to feel as if he had acquired the ability passively sometime while or just before Sylar started painting).

In conclusion, I think we should find a better word or phrase to describe Peter's ability. I can't think of one off the top of my head but I'm sure if we put our collective minds together we'll think of something. :P --Logic 02:16, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

• I think the name is ok as it is. It's a combination of canon sources: Mohinder tells us that Peter mimics abilities, and Claude tells us he's an empath. We also see that Peter does need to think of (connect with) people to access his abilities in season 1 (whether this remains the case is debatable), so that is a form of empathy, which could fit with definitions 2 and 5 (we don't know the exact mechanism of 'energy'). Specifically, while I agree he hasn't shown an emotional understanding of others, I would disagree with the comment that he hasn't shown an emotional connection with them...I think he very much has. I think both Angela and Charles may have directly commented on that in Season 1, and the development of his character (prior to contracting the hunger or trying to fix the past) is certainly in line with definitions 7-9. With regards to Peter absorbing Intuitive aptitude from Sylar, I think that occurred in Homecoming, and he simply learned how to use it in I Am Become Death. The learning process itself certainly seemed to be active, though, as you say, his ability to absorb powers is passive. However, I think the reason he can absorb powers is that he 'connects with people,' which is where the empathy (or empathic) part comes in. --Stevehim 02:48, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
  • In addition to several interviews and the tracker map specifically saying so. Therequiembellishere 08:40, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

The Haitian

How can Peter have access to, but not have used "Mental manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)", his power is negated in the presence of the Haitian... he wouldn't have the ability to mimic and learn Mental manipulation surely? -Rob Riv 14:08, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

• I think in the end it comes to whose power's effect range is wider. And i think it will be speculation to say Peter absorbed that ability until he uses it. --Hellknight 14:14, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The Haitian has to actively concentrate to nullify powers. Peter's empathic mimicry is passive. Thus, it is likely that at some point when they were near each other (example: when Peter was in the future in I Am Become Death and knocked the Haitian out while fleeing from future Claire), Peter was able to absorb it. Also, Future Peter said he's used part of it (making people forget) in Resistance. GabrielPetrelli 14:59, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Ah, good point. I also forgot that GN so then it is pretty clear that Peter can absorb his ability. --Hellknight 15:11, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Don't forget their encounter in Unexpected, the Haitian was there with Noah when they tased Claude and tried to tase Peter, only it didn't work because Peter either stopped time or used TK, and the Haitian was definitely within his mimic range. Intuitive Empath 15:17, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Good call. And a good question, OP. It will be interesting to see if Peter will ever use this power in an episode. :] GabrielPetrelli 15:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
          • If he ever gets his original power back, along with all his copied powers, he'd still have to know about the ability to use. It's that or another amnesia plot in which he discovers tons of abilities he had copied, and God knows we don't need that again. Intuitive Empath 16:30, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I'm sorry, I should have clarified that. Yes, my "interesting to see" thought was based on the possibility of Peter regaining his lost powers, and being in a situation where he recalls the Haitian's abilities. GabrielPetrelli 16:37, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
• I thought I'd throw these out from two BTE interviews...
  Week 8 : "It seemed like Arthur was going to do something quite nasty to Hiro, but got distracted by the picture on the rocks. Was it Arthur's intent to turn Hiro into a 10-year-old? If so, why do that instead of killing him or removing his powers?"
  It was not Arthur's intent to turn Hiro into a 10-year-old. Arthur was in the process of using the Haitian's ability to mind-wipe all the things Hiro learned from his spirit walk in the "Villains" episode. But yes, he got distracted by that eclipse. Who knows what else he might have done if Hiro and Ando didn't get out when they did.
  Week 9 : [b]"In last week's BTE, you stated that Arthur used The Haitian's power to wipe Hiro's memory. Since The Haitian still has his power, I assume that Arthur had to have gotten it from Peter. In other words, did Peter absorb The Haitian's power before Arthur took it? If Peter did absorb his power, how and when did he do so? Does Peter's 'empathic absorption' trump The Haitian's 'power negation,' or did The Haitian allow Peter to absorb it, or ...?"
  We suggest you buy the Season 2 DVD of "Heroes" and watch Episode 8, "Four Months Ago" – where we discover exactly what happens when you mix Absorption and Negation.
  So did Arthur get The Haitian's power from Peter? What say you? -- prander 19:34, 3 December 2008 (EST)
  • Has anyone seen that particular moment mentioned above in Four Months Ago. If so, please share that information.--Elemental Manipulator - When in doubt, ask BTE 05:36, 6 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, Joe and Aron are talking about when Peter and the Haitian were in Bob's office together. Peter tried to use his telekinesis, but he couldn't because the Haitian's ability was blocking him. (See the image.) The point is, when you "mix absorption and negation", you have two things going on: negation causes Peter not to use other powers (like telekinesis), but absorption is still obviously able to absorb the Haitian's ability--Peter had it and his father stole it. That's how I read that somewhat cryptic BTE comment. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:15, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Infobox

The infobox may need some alterations, imo, but I figured I'd pose them here first. I'm not sure listing former occupation as 'Mobster' is really accurate, as he was being blackmailed into the one job he did. I also think that listing Empathic Mimicry as lost and not clarifying his absorbed powers as all being lost as well can be confusing to people browsing the site. I would suggest removing 'Mobster' and placing a 'lost' link next to the 'Known abilities mimicked' header (placing individual links next to each ability is much to cluttery), or removing the lost link from empathic mimicry altogether, and simply relying on the article body for that information. Any objections? --Stevehim 04:53, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

• Yeah "mobster" should be removed. It wasn't his occupation... And we should have the "all lost" next to the abilities. One other thing: "In Dying of the Light Peter apparently lost all of his abilities to his father. This seems to be holding true", This paragraph needs to be reworded. I think it's fact now that Peter lost all this abilities, it sounds like we're still doubting that he lost them. --Powermimic 03:24, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Sylar's Powers

Why is it that of all the powers that Sylar has stolen, and the many times Peter has been in contact with him, that telekinesis is the only one that Peter has mimicked (well, recently the base intuitive aptitude too)? Perhaps he has to be aware of a power before he can use it, but this isn't the case when he automatically uses Claire's healing ability in Homecoming. So, wouldn't he automatically use other "passive" abilities as well, such as enhanced hearing? I would think he would be painfully sensitive to that one, like Sylar was after he stole it.

So, maybe Telekinesis is the only one that he could absorb, for some reason? I wonder if that has anything to do with The Company only being able to find TK when studying Sylar? Or him only regaining TK after being cured from the virus? Is TK special for some reason, perhaps because it was his first steal?--PrometheusMMIV 00:51, 10 November 2008 (EST)

It isn't so much that Peter hasn't absorbed the abilities; he just hasn't accessed them all. He has so far only learnt to use telekinesis and IA out of all of Sylar's powers, and he only knew he could because Sylar used TK against him and Mohinder told him that Sylar had the IA. For your second question (about TK being different) take note that when Gabriel killed Brian, we never saw a brain removal. We only saw him kill Brian. So TK may indeed be somehow different from all of Sylar's other absorbed abilities. -- FlamingTomDude 23:12, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Twins

Since it has been confirmed that Peter and Sylar are twins, should we make any significance of it on Peter's page or Sylar's page?

• Here is the link..http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2008/11/episode-3x08-new-promo-and-more.html
  • That's not confirmed. The actress who plays Angela (Cristine Rose) took some time to think about it and then basically said 'okay, why not'. The eye-roll clearly says "I don't know". Unless it's said in the show, it's speculative. --Powermimic 03:37, 15 November 2008 (EST)
    • Agree. If she said something less potent like "Peter was born with a cleft palate but Linderman healed it," then I think a note is fine. But being twins is kind of a big spoilery thing since it affects the two brothers today. Also, as brilliant as Cristine Rose is, she's not a creator of the show--I'd rather just use interview quotes about insights she has about her own character, not about the relationships of other characters. That, coupled with the fact that it was so offhandedly said (and that Kristin Veitch is a complete wanker), I don't think we need to add it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2008 (EST)

I thought it was said they're twins in the latest BTE interview. Intuitive Empath 10:58, 15 November 2008 (EST)

• Actually, quite the opposite. It was asked during BTE W4, and Adam Armus and Kay Foster said that they're not twins. Case closed. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:57, 15 November 2008 (EST)

• New on here but does someone fancy adding this too the spoiler section for both Peter and Sylar please as its a bit complicated adding theories.

Sylar- Gabriel is Peters twin, both had the same ability and IA was nutured in Gabriel because he worked in a clock shop, noises of clocks fine tuned the ability.

Peter - Peter is Gabriels twin and did share the same ability as him. His EM was nutured instead of IA due to a priveleged life and later him working in nursing. --GIBBY 01:08, 19 November 2008 (GMT)

• Neat theory, but this was disproven by writers Adam Armus and Kay Foster. See this link. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:00, 18 November 2008 (EST)

• The response given in the BtE answer session isn't definitive. Plus in a recent watch with Kristin clip she confirmed that they are twins,.... you actually have this in your spoiler section. --GIBBY 01:08, 19 November 2008 (GMT)
  • Kristen Veitch isn't a reliable source according to canon rules, and certainly nowhere near the credibility of the writers/producers of the show. --Stevehim 20:16, 18 November 2008 (EST)

• Heres the response they gave when asked if they were twins, "As far as Sylar being Peter's twin -- where'd you get that from? They don't look alike at all to us. Oh, do you mean fraternal twins? Um, yeah, they're not that either." This is not definitive, and is further thrown under question as in Heroes Unmasked, episode 2 or 3. They are banging on how Nathan, Peter and Gabriel look alike. Explain this?

Also a theory claiming Gabriel and Peter are showing different versions of EM may be wrong as when Peter is captured in Ireland, trapped, beaten and suffering from memory loss. His emotions would be running all over the place, and he triggered DLs ability with the fight or flight idea. He has never met DL to know how that person feels or makes him feel. So this is 2 different methods of him connecting to abilties. --GIBBY 01:44, 18 November 2008 (GMT)

• Why isn't the comment you provided definitive? It's a direct answer to both the fraternal and identical twin question. While both that and the Heroes Unmasked are secondary sources (3rd level of canon), it doesn't seem that the stuff from Heroes Unmasked really states anything definitive, simply commenting on them all looking alike (which they don't really, imo), while the interview does. As for the empathic mimicry, while it does seem that Peter no longer needs to think of the people he gained the power from to access his abilities, I don't see how that leads to the idea that he and Gabriel must have different powers. It is possible that Peter's ability has evolved to the point that he doesn't have to think of the sources to access them, but he still needs to 'connect' with people to initially absorb the power in his DNA (something he just does automatically, due to his general, compassionate nature). The argument could even be made that Peter was thinking of D.L. when he first accessed phasing. In Kirby Plaza, he knew Niki's family was hurt and in trouble (he tells he her will take care of Sylar, and she should take care of her family), and he's in a similar situation in Ireland, so it's conceivable that D.L. (or D.L.'s situation) may have popped into his head when he was tied up and trying to escape. --Stevehim 01:07, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Seen this on the trivia part of Peters bio,.. 'In an interview, Jason La Padura said that Peter and Nathan were originally written to be twins.' So they'res been a re-write? Hmmmm --GIBBY 01:44, 18 November 2008 (GMT)

• Yeah, that's back when Peter and Nathan Petrelli were Ethan and Harrison Cambell. There've been a few rewrites since then. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:48, 18 November 2008 (EST)

• Type of Twins

Fraternal twins

Fraternal twins, also known as "non-identical twins" or dizygotic twins: Two separate ova are fertilized, which each becomes a zygote. The two zygotes grow into two genetically different beings.

Identical twins

Identical twins or monozygotic twins: A single ovum is fertilized to form one zygote. This zygote later splits, and each half of the zygote becomes a twin. The twins have the same genes.

Semi-identical twins

Semi-identical twins: A single ovum is fertilized by two sperm cells, and splits. The twins have the same genes from their mother's side, but each twin has different genes from their father's side.

The last one is interesting. --GIBBY 06:41, 18 November 2008 (GMT)

• I don't think Peter and Sylar are twins, especially considering the writers flat out told us in an interview that they weren't. Though I do believe Sylar has Empathic Mimicry now. -Rainman 14:33, 20 November 2008 (EST)

• Once again in the Behind the Eclipse answers session they confirm that they don't look alike and aren't fraternal twins. How is this flat out telling us? Its a vague answer for me tbh.

Also Peters EM,...... whats the point in being a mimic when you can't use half the abilities stored. Kind of seems like a stupid way to mimic powers. IA is the understanding of powers, and seems like a perfect match with EM as it grants the person with EM full access to their abilities.

IA and EM for me seems like one ability, and we already have a perfect example of that with Arthur. You have to ask yourself why Peter only got the EM part of the abiliity. --GIBBY 21:45, 20 November 2008 (GMT)

• Until it is said in the show, Peter and Sylar are not twins. Theories belong in the Fan Theories section. --Powermimic 23:23, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Ability immunity

Could Peter be immune to ability theft? In the sewer, I think he used Intuitive Adaptitude when Flint show fire and ignited the gas leak. I mean think about it. He might have used telekinesis for breaking the pipe... an open gas pipe? its to convenient...and someone would have noticed. Perhaps, because of the shock of his father draining, Peter's powers went in recovery mode. They are slowly coming back even though he does not notice it. Discipol

As long as the plot requires, there'll always be something that convenient. Intuitive Empath 17:13, 18 November 2008 (EST)

It wouldn't be that hard to unscrew a pipe like that with your bare hands. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:21, 18 November 2008 (EST)

The Ability to Love Unconditionally

• A discussion over at Talk:Sylar made me think about this. The question there was whether Sylar's true power was empathy, and he had absorbed intuitive aptitude from someone. While not really supported by what we know yet, it does pose an interesting line of thought. Sylar was able to absorb Elle's ability by empathizing with her, something he wasn't even sure he was capable of, so it makes sense that he wouldn't have acquired many abilities by empathy, assuming that he does have that ability. Peter, on the other hand, seems to pick up abilities from every almost powered person he encounters. That poses the question of whether Peter picks up abilities so easily because, as Charles Deveaux said, he has the ability to "love unconditionally", meaning that he can empathize with anyone. Just something to think about and discuss. --Ted C 09:50, 5 December 2008 (EST)
  • Awesome idea! That would be the best way to explain how Sylar got Elle's power. As for where he got IA, I'd say it would make sense if it was Mr. Gray because he fixed watches too. Dracomaster4 19:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)
• IA is the ability to see how things work, Sylar can see what they are feeling by how there life works, therefore, he can help them overcome there stress, He din't love Elle, until after that, because of the overcoming her pain... Sylar has the ability to transfer powers from 1 vessel to another. we have seen it go 1 way, in the form of overcoming pain, and in another, brain finding them... we haven't see it transferring it the other way. Sylar doesn't need to love them, just make them happyer, that the let out maybe some of there "light". - fred179318:29 11 December 2008

Exposed to Clairvoyance?

in the last episode of series 1(How to Stop an Exploding Man), peter is exposed to molly at Kirby plaza. surely this should be under the list?-fred1793

• It's there, between melting and technopathy. - Josh (talk/contribs) 13:53, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Known Ability = Flight?

Who changed that? I don't want to change it back in case it's some new development in 'Dual' (I'm on the wrong side of the world to know yet).--FlamingTomDude 21:59, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I did. Sorry if it spoiled things for you... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:01, 15 December 2008 (EST)

It's not a spoiler if the episode has already aired. :\ The best thing to do is avoid sites like this while the show is airing somewhere else if you don't want to see spoilers. Bloodbath 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Um... well technically, I've spoiled it for FTD anyway, considering he hasn't seen the episode yet. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:25, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah, but you shouldn't feel bad about it. No offense to FTD, but like I said...if you come to a site like this while the episode is airing you should expect to see spoilers. Bloodbath 22:43, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Until there's confirmation he got his original power and remimicked Nathan, synthetic flight is the most accurate power. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Wow was I misunderstood. I didn't mean that I didn't want it to be spoiled; quite the opposite. I was just wondering whether it was actually new development on the series orjust some noob who was messing with the site. By all means, spoil away! I get bored waiting for all the good eps to come out here.--FlamingTomDude 19:55, 16 December 2008 (EST)

I was about to change it to Empathic Mimicry, cuz Flight is sorta stupid, but then I saw Thrashmeister's !---! message telling it will be changed until it gets cleared up in the series. And so me not wanting to break the rules I respect that. But I would like to make a vote, or something in that direction to allow that the ability box is changed to empatic mimicry again. Because it's like this. Abilities are created or manifest due to two things a genetic gene/strain or formula that activates abilities and the hosts' DNA marker. Peter's DNA hasn't been changed, can't be changed so it's save to say he got his original ability back. Because due to his genetic marker he will always get that ability. And from another aspect the writers decided Flight as his first re-absorbed ability because that was also his first, sorry second ability he absorbed in the show. So all those in favor who think it's save to say he got his original ability back and change it on this page? BTW it has also been canonically said that Peter got his ability back in Duel. DarthYotho 16:44, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I do agree that him regaining flight while in Nathan's presence points to Empathic mimicry, however it's still not right to say he regained his ability without confirmation. We should wait and see.--FlamingTomDude 22:44, 29 December 2008 (EST)

About his abilities

I think it's safe to say that he got the power back that is made into his DNA, and mimicked flight. You could also note that he ran through fire without too much trouble. Bloodbath 22:10, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• Agreed, wouldn't it be easier to say that he simply regained all of his former abilities as a result of the injection. As it was stated that he would if he took the formula. Horrorman 22:13, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• We're not certain he regained all his previous abilities - he was near Nathan when he got his power back, so we can't assume he was able to use flight because he already had it. Although I must admit that I'd be sad if Peter lost all his absorbed powers. Mike 22:17, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• We need concrete proof. Sorry, mates. Wait for next week's Behind The Eclipse. --DarkPhoenix 22:15, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• I think he just gained back empathic mimicry and mimicked Nathan's powers again (and maybe Flint's as he was pretty close too, since Merdith mostly displayed immunity to her power, maybe mimicking Flint's power gave him immunity to Flint's fire). Look at his face: his wound from Arthur never healed when he got his powers back which is a good indication he didn't get them all back as that would have healed if he'd regained regeneration. My guess is its like with Sylar and the Shanti Virus.--WarGrowlmon18 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• As much as I hate to wait as DarkPhoenix said we have to wait till the Behind the Eclipse short. Oh well... Horrorman 22:24, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• Actually, i think he did heal from the scratch on his face because in the beginning of the episode it was a nice deep cut but by the end with nathan it looked as if it were just a line of blood on his face, as if the actual wound healed.--Pbmarcano 22:30, 15 December 2008 (EST)
  • It looked like that before he regained his powers (or power). I hope he regained all of his lost powers (that would be pretty cool), but I'm not holding my breath on that one.--WarGrowlmon18 23:52, 15 December 2008 (EST)
• I'd say he has Empathic Mimicry back. Arthur seemed to indicate Peter would get his abilities back. Furthermore, it'd be a big coincidence that he got Flight, and then instantly knew it- as when Ando was injected with the ability he was unsure what it did. --Sylar
  • I agree: I think your right, but I'm not sure he got all of his lost powers back. He may have regained his power of mimickry and mimicked Nathan's again.--WarGrowlmon18 23:52, 15 December 2008 (EST)
• He has his Empathic Mimicry back and Flight. I don't think has all the others, his cut didn't regenerate. --Powermimic 00:43, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Though it's likely he has regained at least his mimicry, we don't know that for sure. All we know is that he has the ability of flight. --Stevehim 06:00, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • Obviously he got his mimicry back, though I doubt very much that he has all his previous powers. Remember that part of the problem when writing Heroes was that Peter was so powerful that essentially nothing should have been a threat to him, and that when in any situation, people were asking "Why didn't he just fly away/stop time/teleport/run away/disarm them telekintically/etc". If they were to give all his powers back, it would be shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak as they would be back to square one. And if it didn't give his innate ability back, how could he have known he would be able to fly? No one else who took the formula knew what power they were going to get from the selection available. It'd be very unconvincing if he just lucked out and got flight as well. --Photolysis 06:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Here's my two cents: it's possible he did get all of his powers back. If he got his empathic mimicry back, it would be like Sylar and telekinesis, he kept it after the Shanti virus due to the emotional circumstances about taking that power. All of Peter's abilities are acquired like this, so if he gets EM back, it's quite possible he gets all of his abilities back, even the ones he didn't display, because if Arthur was able to use mental manipulation after presumably stealing it from Peter, that would mean he has all of the other exposed abilities. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• I think that he must have gotten at least his mimicry back. Did he know that the formula would give him flight? For all he knew, it could've been teleportation or superspeed. If his mimicry is encoded in his DNA then by some means he must have known that he had regained his original ability (maybe it's like a sense of some kind). If he knew he had his mimicry back, then he'd know he was able to fly, hence his sudden spontaneous leap out of the window.--FlamingTomDude 22:25, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• I think he got empathic mimicry back because he knew that if he took the formula it would re-activate his innate ability and let him copy Nathan's flight or re-activate all his previously acquired abilities and, thus, get out of Pinehearst. Else, if the formula was to give him some new ability, it could have been anything. Besides, he can't have flight as his core ability since only one person per generation can have a particular ability. Peter and Nathan belong to the same generation. --Skyborne 17 December 2008

So do Flint and Meredith and they share the same ability, same with Linderman and Ishi. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Synthetic ability?

Although Peter just regain his ability with the formula, rather than being a normal human gaining an ability like everyone else, that still make it synthetic? JDeus01 22:38, 15 December 2008 (EST)

• Well he lost his ability, but regained with with the formula, so I guess that would make it synthetic. --Powermimic 00:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Well the ability was natural initially ... I don't see why the artificial removal of a natural ability that was then regained artificially should qualify as "synthetic". And it seems obvious that the synthetic label is simply to distinguish those that weren't born with an ability. --Photolysis 06:23, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • A possible way to display this could be "restored", with a link to the formula, makes sense if he lost his original power and then had it restored synthetically. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • As far as flight goes, there seems to be a question as to whether or not he still has empathic mimicry, or if he now only has flight. I'm inclined to believe that, as the series has been hammering away pretty hard at "everyone has one latent ability", he got his empathy back and copied Nathan (and likely Flint as well, maybe even Mohinder). --Ricard Desi 10:43, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah I like the "restored" and I don't see why people think Peter just got 'Flight'? Out of all the abilities the formula could give.. he got Flight just in time! We know his DNA is unique and I'm sure his got his 'Empathic Mimicry' back, but he doesn't have all his old abilities, his cut didn't heal. --Powermimic 18:54, 16 December 2008 (EST)
          • I think that too, but we've got to consider the "Thou Shall Not Submit Speculation" policy of the wikia, that is the least speculative we have on him right now. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:07, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Peter as a disappointment

In the episode tonight (Episode:Dual), Nathan said something like "Peter always disappoints anyone who roots for him." And I can't help but think that's true. The writers find a way to keep you rooting for Peter, and then he lets you down in some way. I can't think of a time when Peter came through on his own. In Episode:How to Stop an Exploding Man he would have blown up the city. In Episode:Powerless, he was going to give Adam the virus.

Then in this season, when he lost his ability, that was a disappointment. I personally was looking forward to him getting his powers back. Contrary to my belief, the way in which he got his powers back tonight also caused me disappointment. He cheated. Not only that but he was on his knees thanks to a metal pipe and his brother.

I just hope he turns it around quick. TV doesn't need another 7 seasons of Smallville's Clark Kent (I left out season 8 because at least Clark is being more assertive this season!). I don't think it's healthy for the show to continuously build him up to let him fail. Ruler 07:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• What do you mean, he cheated? What was he supposed to do to regain his powers, think happy thoughts? Blame the writers, not the character. --Photolysis 16:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • If you're going to make smart ass comments, please try to get the smart part down at least. The writers write what the character should do. I don't see how blaming the writers is different from blaming the character. Nonetheless, I did in fact blame the writers. I think they should let the character grow. In response to your question, I don't think the formula was the only way for him to get back his powers. It was certainly one way. If he hadn't spent the last month trying to convince others that the formula was dangerous, and that it should be destroyed at all cost, it might have looked better to take it himself. Here are some other ways he could have gotten his powers back that would have made sense to me: Claire's blood, Hiro taking Peter to Hiro's mother, the light transferring from Arthur to Peter. -- Ruler 20:37, 17 December 2008 (EST)
    • How exactly would Claire's blood give him his powers back? And Hiro's powers are gone too. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:40, 17 December 2008 (EST)
      • The Haitian's ability to remove memories leaves just enough damage to the system that it can be healed by people with a healing ability. It wouldn't be a big stretch for them to say Arthur's ability did something similar to the body, since it removed something that was previously part of someone. Claire's blood can heal people and bring them back to life. It's also not a stretch for them to say Claire's blood can heal those types of wounds. In the story, I don't think there would have needed to be much more explanation as to why that worked. I just gave that list as other options that could have happened throughout the story instead of further degrading Peter's dignity. Ruler 21:10, 17 December 2008 (EST)
• I have to agree with this. Peter really does seem to let people down all the time. Even future versions of Peter run around with no idea what they're doing. I think it comes down to two things:
  1. Peter is inexperienced in this kind of life. From the word go he has been thrown into a life of danger and deception with no idea how to handle any of it. He gets no parental guidance from either his brother of his actual parents and is forced to use trial and error.
  2. Peter is so powerful he just relies on his overwhelming strength to get him through any situation. He never stops to think about what the best course of action might be, he just runs in guns blazing and never looks back. This over-reliance on his powers is a problem that he must fix if he ever wishes to be an effective hero. The writers may have done this to him intentionally as an intelligent all powerful hero would make any problem easily overcome.
  • I would disagree. Peter is constantly trying to save everyone, and often succeeding. That he needs help from time to time shouldn't be held against him, as it applies to all of the other characters as well (eg - Hiro couldn't kill Sylar without help from Kaito and Ando, Noah couldn't protect his family without help from the Haitian, Matt couldn't escape Arthur wthout help from Daphne, etc). I think Peter considers what to do to some degree (eg - he sets up a string web, he's the only one trying to fix the messed up futures in seasons 2 and 3), but he is pretty powerful and so 'guns blazing' isn't such a bad idea most of the time.  ;) --Stevehim 13:32, 20 December 2008 (EST)

This might slim down the Powers Exposed To list a bit...

Check out the discussion on Sylar's natural abilities here. --Ricard Desi 11:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)

• Don't we need to start a new list anyway? Mimicked flight; exposed to pyrokinesis and insectiness. - Hive 17:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah I believe it'll end up that way, but we should keep the current list as well as I don't know "Powers Before Dying of the Light". --Powermimic 18:50, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Peter regaining his abilities

Well im very happy peter got his abilities back, I know it looked like he only regained flight but it would be a damn shame if he didnt regain empathic mimicry and besides Mohinder said his body was primed to accept abilities maybe meaning he in a way still had empthic mimicry it was simply deactivated i.e. he good still have the genetic code but missing the catalyst. Im surprised peter didnt attempt to regain his powers at the first chance he got since he did enjoy having powers apart. He may have known he would likely get his original ability back and maybe all the others he gained including intuitive aptitude so maybe thats why he wasnt to eager on getting them back. He did seem to know what he was doing and what would happen if he injected himself. --Jacobm7 20:16, 18 December 2008 (EST)

• wouldnt he automatically get empthic mimicry? His genes didn't change. Thats why I feel we should change his power title to empthic mimicry with flight under absorbed. He might have even took sylars, flints, mohinders, and all the other people in pinehersts abilites. --Guarinom 22:02, 19 December 2008 (EST)
  • When he injected himself with the formula in Duel, the only known abilities regained are Flight (Nathan) and Pyrokinesis - Blue Variant (Flint), if anyone else was within range, that was unknown. He was out of options and decided that the only way to save Nathan from being blown up is to restore his core ability (he knew what Arthur meant when he said that the formula would restore his ABILITIES, Arthur implied that the forumla would regain Empathic Mimicry and regain them through him) and reabsorb flight. --Garthak 14:49, 1 January 2009 (EST)