Talk:Rapid cell regeneration

Ability Naming Conventions
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3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
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Source/Explanation
"Rapid cell regeneration" is explicitly named in the Genesis Files.

The caption states that it's Claire's sixth attempt jumping off the refinery. While she says it's "attempt number six", how do we know the first five attempts weren't something different? Her list of injuries implies they were, as does Lyle's viewing of the tape.--Hardvice (talk) 23:43, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Actually, I always assumed that was her first jump since I would assume by the 6th time Zach wouldn't have been freaking out so much. I'd definitely take out the part about it specifically being her 6th attempt at jumping since that's just a guess. (Admin 23:49, 10 December 2006 (EST))

Good point, sorry to speculate. Removed. Thanks! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:05, 11 December 2006 (EST)

It actually a lot likes regeneration ability of Wolverine.

• There's way too many examples. We should keep them limited to 10 at the most.
  • See here for discussion.

• Looked to me again last night like there's an inconsistancy in Claire's ability (atleast in the special effects portrayal of it). When she cut her arm with the knife, it healed as any normal cuts would have, only much faster (including the appearance of scar tissue around the wound). This seems inconsistant with other times (like when the blood was "sucked" back in after Lyle stapled her). I have to wonder what would happen if she lost a limb (based on what we've seen, I don't think it's just grow back) or worse... exploded.--Yoshie (talk) 23:43, 06 February 2007 (EST)
  • In The Kindness of Strangers, Claire tells West that she used to jump off the refinery to see what she could do. This implies that previous attempts were of the same action. --DismantleRepair 01:38, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Spontaneous Regeneration

Shouldn't the title of this article be called Spontaneous Regeneration, seeing as it is refered to by that name in the show.--The Empath 21:55, 9 February 2007 (EST)

• I could have sworn this has come up before, but I couldn't find the discussion. They've called it a number of things within the show. Chandra's file lists it as "Rapid call regeneration" so that's why it was named that. (Admin 22:11, 9 February 2007 (EST))
• They've used both. The Genesis files call it RCR, and we know that's in reference to Claire because you can briefly see "Odessa, TX" inside the folder. Either is probably fine.--Hardvice (talk) 22:13, 9 February 2007 (EST)
  • Do you remember if there's a reason we didn't create a redirect for it? (Admin 22:16, 9 February 2007 (EST))
    • Nope. We probably should, no?--Hardvice (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2007 (EST)
• The word spontaneous means "happening without external cause". With that considered, the concept of "Spontaneous Regeneration" is nonsense -- healing happens in response to an injury. If it's spontaneous, then there's no injury, and therefore nothing to be healed. Stevie-O 02:39, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Exactly. She doesn't say "cut, heal!", or make it heal in any way. It heals by itself. Thus, it's spontaneous. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 10:44, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Examples page

Okay, the examples were getting a bit long. We've had the discussion before, so I thought I'd give it a go and trim this down to 10-12 examples. I tried to keep the most illustrative examples, the most memorable, or the ones that were just really cool. For the gallery, I basically kept the most bloody ones, which means they don't exactly match the examples listed on the page. I also provided a link to the examples page. I'm open to suggestions on how this can be tweaked. If we like it, we can keep it. (I'll do space-time manipulation when I get home tonight.) If it's no good, of course we can get rid of it. Thoughts? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2007 (EST)

• I like what you've done, but I doubt we need to have the same introductory information on the the examples page. I'll make a quick change there and you can tell me what you think. --Ted C 16:06, 1 March 2007 (EST)
  • Thanks. Yeah, I agree, I just threw that in there real quickly. The infobox was mostly just to have something, but it looks fine without. I added Category:Powers. I'll go ahead and work on a few other powers momentarily. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2007 (EST)
• This looks great! Excellent solution, and you know how much I love me some list articles with long names...--Hardvice (talk) 18:13, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Kensei or Adam?

Should be be listing him by his alias or the name he's apparently been using in the more modern times? I did send a question to CBR for Behind the Eclipse asking if Adam was Kensei's original name but since the page seems to talk about the legend more than the man I suggest we change it to Adam. --PeterDawson 00:08, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Shorter Name?

Didn't Mohinder give a shorter name in Out of Time? -Lөvөl 14:09, 12 November 2007 (EST)

• He parroted what Bob said. The name was on a folder in one of the first episodes. (The link is a joke. I still don't agree with the parroting thing)--Riddler 14:13, 12 November 2007 (EST)
  • Well both are authorities on the subject. Did he call it just "cellular regeneration"? -Lөvөl 12:11, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • Technically, every human being has cellular regeneration. It's just that Claire, as well as Adam and Peter, can heal rapidly. Thus, the name is rapid cell regeneration; I think the adjective 'rapid' is absolutely necessary. I think rapid cellular generation would be appropriate too, but 'cell' is just a shortened word for 'cellular'.--Ice Vision 15:44, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Peter's Tattoo

Is it appropriate to mention here that Peter's tattoo disappeared? Rather, is that defined enough as a result of his regeneration that it's ok to mention here? For what it's worth, there's a relevant quote in Ultimate X-Men, from Wolverine, saying that, "Tats are basically scars, 'Ro. They only last a few hours on me before my healing factor rubs 'em out." (And I'm nerd enough to have memorized it.) I think the tattoos' disappearance is safe to put down as regeneration... --Spellingbee 00:08, 23 November 2007 (EST)

• Yes, there's no other explanation for it other than the fact that Peter's body returns to its normal state. However, I wouldn't put it on this page, I'd put it in the examples of rapid cell regeneration. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Limits Section

Shouldn't the limits section include the fact that if a person is wounded in the head, they can't regenerate? Just a thought.

• It does, it just isn't made to stand out. Reason being (to my knowledge); it is a claim made by Adam that hasn't been confirmed by being shown in the show yet.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)
• By the way, this is more a matter of word choice than anything else, but a person wounded in the head can regenerate. Even a person wounded in the brain can regenerate. Adam said you can' come back from having your head blown off. I think it states that pretty clearly in the article, but I'm just bringing it up as a point of clarification. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:29, 28 November 2007 (EST)
• Also I think we should move the statement from the Aging-topic to either "Limits" or "Healing". Not being able to regenerate, after the person got their head cut/blown off hasn't to do anything with aging. BloodyFox 12:28, 29 November 2007 (CEST)

Blood or Brain?

I bet y'all have noticed this, but does this power reside in the blood or in the brain? If in the brain, as we originally believed, then transferring the blood to another wounded person should have no effect. If in the blood, Claire and Peter should have been able to recover from having objects lodged in their skulls, because the ability is certainly capable of removing foreign objects (mostly bullets, but shards of glass have been pushed out too).

• Or, more than likely, it takes both brains and blood to make the power work. That's also keeping somewhat in check with the laws of biology, I suppose. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:21, 4 December 2007 (EST)
  • Maybe, but that doesn't explain how someone who's been dead for hours can regenerate with the blood, because their brain would have shut down. Also, they wouldn't have the mental trigger for the healing in their brain, because they don't have the power naturally.--Yamawhata? 20:36, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Regaining memory

In Four Months Ago..., Adam instructed Peter to heal his brain cells and regain the memories that the Haitian erased. Peter then remembered Nathan and all the events that occurred in the previous four months. Indeed, RCR does have the capability to heal the Haitian's effects. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:59, 17 December 2007 (EST)

• But it appears that the effect had to be *willed*, unlike other aspects of Claire's RCR this was by no means a passive thing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:10, 17 December 2007 (EST)
  • Absolutely, and what a very interesting aspect of the power. But it's still an aspect of the power, and should not be deleted from the page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2007 (EST)

"a recipient of Adam's blood cannot age indefinitely"

Not that it needs to be added to the article, but another example of Adam's blood not saving people from death indefinitely is Nathan. He received the blood in February 2007, but still died of the virus in the first outbreak. In an alternate timeline, he received the blood, and then was shot (again, on March 20, 2007), and I didn't see any signs of regeneration going on. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2008 (EST)

• Right, and not only that, Nathan is unable to rapidly regenerate, as seen in The Kindness of Strangers. After Nathan punched a mirror, his badly damaged, bloody hand didn't heal. In Fight or Flight, Nathan is seen with a bandaged hand when he picks up Bob's death threat. Also, the bandages were a bit bloody (the blood was dry, of course). --Ice Vision (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Notes

"Claire's healing ability does not seem to affect her pierced ears" shouldn't be there, since it's not an error or something notable -- ears are pierced when girls are very young, and Claire manifested her ability near puberty. Pierced ears are just another scar -- if she could heal scars attained before her power manifested, she wouldn't have a belly-button, either.--Khote (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2008 (EST)

• Every girl gets their ears pierced when they're young? I wasn't aware of this. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 17:54, 25 February 2008 (EST)
  • Not "every girl", but many do. I don't agree with the practice, but it's not at the top of my societal wrongdoings list.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2008 (EST)
    • But we can't assume Claire is among those girls, just becuase she also has peirced ears. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 18:09, 25 February 2008 (EST)
      • OTOH, she was wearing earrings in Six Months Ago and Company Man, before her power manifested.
• Personally I don't see a problem with the note. Her ability hasn't affected her pierced ears. In fact, I could argue that taking the note off because "ears are pierced when girls are very young" is speculative. Pierced ears are actually not a scar (like a bellybutton)--in fact, if a person does not continually pierce their ears (or rather, continue putting earrings in their piercing holes), the holes often close up, just like the power does in other cases. But if that still doesn't do it for you, there have been plenty of message boards where people have wondered about Claire's pierced ears. Kevin Smith mentioned it on his blog (along with some sexually explicit postulations, I believe), and Howard Stern wondered about it on his radio show. For people who might be searching for information regarding Claire's ears, I think the note should stay. It's not in the main limits (and shouldn't be), it's in the notes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:29, 25 February 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah, that's ultimately where I landed as well after initially not being sure whether the note should be there. When I thought about it some more I realized that regardless of whether it's an intentional part of her character or not it is something that gets asked about frequently, so it's worthwhile to at least address it. (Admin 21:03, 25 February 2008 (EST))
• Claire also has at least one helix piercing, which is not likely to be done when girls are very young, but can't tell if she got it before Six Months Ago. -Lөvөl 00:59, 26 February 2008 (EST)

Cool Stuff

Saw this on Slashdot, wonder if "Mohinder" will post something about it on activatingevolution.org.--Bob (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

• Since activatingevolution.org is a wiki, couldn't we just add it ourselves?--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:36, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
  • Yeah, but I meant along the lines of the specials that they do with video and interviews.--Bob (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Brendan Lewis

I think he should be included. His assignment tracker lists regeneration as one of his abilities, and the description of RCR doesn't specify human cells as Referos claims.--MiamiVolts (talk) 09:09, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

• The Assignment Tracker (near-canon) lists Lewis as having two abilities. Noah said in an episode (canon) that all evolved humans have only one ability (excluding abilities that steal/mimic/absorb other abilities). Canon trumps near-canon, so Lewis cannot have two abilities no matter what his profile says. This should be explained in the notes section. However, I agree that saying RCR only heals human cells is speculation (maybe a blood transfusion can heal animals, too), so I will remove that part.--Referos 12:38, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Im not so sure we oght to be that quick to do that, so Im gonna put that back in some fashion until more people say something --SacValleyDweller (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
  • I believe that the regeneration part in the assignment tracker refers to his ability which could allow him to regenerate. Like when you cut a plant down it doesn't die but regrows. Its not the same as RCR but if he was becoming more plant then human then maybe it works the same way for him. I would have to say that he doesn't have RCR but that it is his plant ability that regenerates his damage.--Iceman 12:21, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
  • He does not have rapid cell regeneration, only his original ability, which allows him to regenerate like a plant. He should be removed from this page. FutureSNLWriter 21:14, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
    • While I agree, please see Talk:Plant manipulation#Yo, me again for the current discussion regarding Lewis's plant regeneration.--Referos 21:19, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Limits section

Can someone reword the limits section so it appears like the other ability pages? What I mean by this is split it per person. That way, you can put aging in Adam's section, and note that Sylar told Claire that neither he nor Claire will ever die. I have to go to work.--Bob (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Okay, question

Now in the eclipse parts 1 and 2 they say Claire has never been sick. Now is that just because they kept REALLY good care of Claire or does her ability prevent her from illnesses as well as not allowing her to get hurt?

Infections

In Eclipse Part 2, when Claire's ability is down, after she is shot, the doctor says that her whole system is infected "like she's never been sick". Not sure how we should add that, but that suggests that her power works independently from her immune system, or at the very least works so fast to the point there's nothing left for her immune system fight, leaving it underdeveloped. Penny for your thoughts. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:21, 4 December 2008 (EST)

• Okay, it was I who posted the okay question thing, but know we know that she hasnt been infected we can say that part of her ability is that she can't get infected by virus' and illness' so can we safely add that to Rapid Cellular Regeneration page? Because don't forget of Adam's wife having Tuburcleosis(if thats how you spell it). He healed that. So is it safe to say Rapid Cell Regeneration can prevent against/heal illness' as well?--Sylarversion2 17:49, 4 December 2008 (EST)
  • I probably started adding this section while you were adding yours, this has happened before. As I said, the impression I got is that the power overrides her immune system, it kills pathogenic bacteria before her immune system even has a change to react, leaving it underdeveloped. With Adam's wife, it'd be the same thing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:42, 4 December 2008 (EST)
  • Bump to trigger more discussion on the matter. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:48, 8 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yes, it sounds like her ability causes her to never get sick. Therefore, she has never had to build up an immunity to anything. Without her powers, she is very vulnerable to illnesses and infections. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:52, 8 December 2008 (EST)
      • What I'm curious about is that it overrides her immune system instead of enhancing it, I've always thought that the reason a character with an ability like this never got sick is because their immune system is supercharged, reacting very fast to everything that might pose a danger to the organism, and this is clearly not the case for Claire, who seems to have a deficient immune system. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:58, 8 December 2008 (EST)