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Ishi

Had to get here before anyone jumps to conclusions and adds it to the Healing page. I really, really hope everyone understands that Hiro's entire plot of the episode was a dream, a metaphor for his entire existence as a Hero. It ended with Ishi "healing" Hiro, and I know people are going to say this HAS to be added to the healing page, but we need to keep in mind it was a dream. At the end of the episode, we saw Hiro with a headwrap on. This indicates his tumor was operated on, and the the doctors successfully healed him. That is all.

That said, I thought this episode was great. I'm not sure I agree with Sylar turning a new leaf. Claire finally coming out of her shell (note, I do not mean the closet) about how she puts up walls and wants to stop, felt very sincere to me. As for Samuel, he's snapped, and that's trouble.--Riddler 22:06, 18 January 2010 (EST)

• Well, I was hoping that they didn't go that cop-out route of having Hiro's ghost mom fix him. But it certainly seems like they did.--Gibbeynator 22:22, 18 January 2010 (EST)

• • I don't know: from what I overheard of the doctors, I doubt they were able to remove the tumor. They thought he'd likely die and Hiro said earlier it was inoperable. Even the best doctors in Japan couldn't remove it.--WarGrowlmon18 22:27, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • Gibbey, she didn't heal him. It was a dream. War, the doctors SAID it was inoperable, but doctors make mistakes. They didn't try to operate - likely in thoughts that it would kill him sooner. The headwrap shows that the doctors were in fact able to operate on him.--Riddler 22:28, 18 January 2010 (EST)
      • I guess, but until we get some kind of confirmation on that, we shouldn't put it that the doctors saved him. The best doctors in Japan said they couldn't and Hiro doubtlessly has enough money to hire the best to try.--WarGrowlmon18 22:32, 18 January 2010 (EST)
        • Actually, this could lead into an interesting discussion. Do abilities live on after the user dies?--Gibbeynator 22:33, 18 January 2010 (EST)
          • If it wasn't his destiny to die yet, Ishi's spirit may have been sent back to save him. It may be meant to be ambigous: did Ishi save him or did the doctors manage to. They will probably bring it up in a graphic novel or the next episode Hiro is in.--WarGrowlmon18 22:35, 18 January 2010 (EST)
            • Usutu appeared to Matt and helped him develop his telepathy into painting the future. I guess spirits may very well have powers. AltesUTC CH 04:11, 19 January 2010 (EST)
• Regardless if it's a dream or not, it still needs to be noted. Something like "In what appears to be a dream sequence, Ishi healed Hiro's tumor. Afterwards, he came to back life. It is unclear if this a metaphoric device or actually Ishi herself." You guys get the point. We saw it, and in the world of Heroes (where anything and everything is possible) it would be speculation to say if it's just a dream or her spirit. So thus we document it in a without drawing speculative conclusions until we get further confirmation from a writer or a future episode. --OutbackZack 22:41, 18 January 2010 (EST)

• • So let's list it as such under the healing page until we have some kind of confirmation on this.--WarGrowlmon18 22:43, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • Peter exploding in his dream is listed in the examples of induced radioactivity, isn't it? AltesUTC CH 04:11, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Actually the doctors may have saved him. I went to an earlier point in the episode and listened closly and one of the doctors asked what his prognosis was and the other said something like "not good, I normally wouldn't do this procedure" and there was something else but I didn't catch it. The part where Hiro nearly died they did seem to be doing brain surgery so maybe they tried a risky procedure and succeded.--WarGrowlmon18 22:57, 18 January 2010 (EST)

• Amazing. It's not meant to be ambiguous, War, it's meant to be metaphorical. He was in a dream death-trial. His real life situation was happening at the same time as this trial: The doctors trying to save him was his fight with Adam. Ishi healing him was the doctors operating on the tumor. The headwrap shows this. They wouldn't wrap his head unless they did something on it. The Japanese doctors said it was inoperable and didn't operate, likely 'cause it had a high risk of death and they weren't willing to take the chance. Since Hiro was in critical condition, these doctors did everything they could do to save him, and surpassed the risk and saved him.--Riddler 22:58, 18 January 2010 (EST)
  • Could be, but the doctors were operating on his head at the time he crashed. He could have been healed and had his head wrapped due to the surgery he went through. People who have their heads operated on tend to have those, I watch enough medical shows to know that.--WarGrowlmon18 23:02, 18 January 2010 (EST)
    • (Pssst, they were operating on his head to get at the tumor.)--Riddler 23:03, 18 January 2010 (EST)
      • Riddler you're making a huge glaring omission. Hiro was basically dead and they used the paddles to bring him back, As far as I know it's not appropriate to keep operating on someone when they "crash" honestly even by Heroes standards it wouldn't work. Do they want the tumors gone or do they want Hiro to live. Hiro didn't come back until Dream Ishi healed him, they were likely already done with surgery or they took a pause to save Hiro. Regardless it's either the paddles that brought him back or Ishi, not the surgeons.--Dman dustin 23:07, 18 January 2010 (EST)
        • I think what happened was Hiro crashing was him giving up during the trial at the end there when he judged himself guilty, his fight with Adam was him starting to fight again and Ishi healing him was him really fighting and bringing himself back from the brink. Sometimes its someone's willngness to fight that makes the difference.--WarGrowlmon18 23:09, 18 January 2010 (EST)
          • Dman, sorry for that oversight, I was blinded by certainty that people would turn this into a "ISHI CAN HEAL FROM THE DEAD" thing. War, I like how you put it. The doctors operated on his tumor, he crashed, they used paddles to bring him back, and though he thought he was ready to die, he was willing to fight. Nicely put. :3--Riddler 23:21, 18 January 2010 (EST)
            • Indeed, War, well put! The dream was his mind fighting death while the doctors tried to save the body. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:09, 19 January 2010 (EST)
              • There are dozens of actual signs that the person is dead, heartbeat is merely one of them, and doctors rarely have time to check them all. Hiro may not have been dead when Ishi healed him. But I must admit, the metaphore is amazing. I'm glad Hiro is saved. {User:Altes/Signature}} 04:11, 19 January 2010 (EST)
• Here's the big kicker. If it was just a dream then how did Hiro know Jackie, Ted, and everyone else to dream about them? --OutbackZack 04:21, 19 January 2010 (EST)
  • Noah told him? He read about it a newspaper? Most likely a wizard did it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 06:58, 19 January 2010 (EST)
    • Good question. I also don't remember him learning that Adam was dead.--Gibbeynator 08:05, 19 January 2010 (EST)

It's hard to keep Supernatural elements out of a show with superpowers.--anguard 10:15, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Thoughts?

Wouldn't it have been tragic if Hiro was literally minutes from death and then and old lady came into his room, Charlie. The two spent Hiro's last minutes together and he died. Then Kimiko came running into the hospital and Ando had to tell her? Im thrilled Hiro is alive. But I think killing him would have been amazingly sad. --William Strauss 23:35, 18 January 2010 (EST)

new actors and characters

Shevaun Cavanaugh Kastl (image)

Tammy (image)

Mary Wickliffe (image)

Dr. Puljos (image)

Helen Eigenberg (image)

Emergency room nurse (image)

I think there may have been one more, but a big logo was obscuring the credits for me, so I couldn't read anything... I guess if nobody else knows who it is, then we can wait until the Hulu link appears tomorrow. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:47, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Nope, that accounts for everyone who was credited hasn't been seen before.--CourtesyofTVRage.com 00:40, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Quantum Leap

"Objection your honour, he's reciting the opening to Quantum Leap" - I thought this was hilarious, I actually laughed out loud! - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 00:16, 19 January 2010 (EST)

• I actually choked on my water. That was a great line! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 19 January 2010 (EST)
  • I'm not sure that's the exactly how the line went, but yeah... I also had to laugh out loud at that. :) This was a fun episode; kudos to Oliver Grigsby on the writing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
    • The trial quotes are the best. I laughed so hard when Sylar was listing his victims... a mechanical, my mother, Isaac Mendez, that guy called Ted something... I hate Sylar, but he´s the most sarcastical psychopath ever. --Jmfdr91 01:15, 19 January 2010 (EST)
      • "Willy nilly." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:24, 19 January 2010 (EST)
        • "Sprague, Ted Sprague." ZQ is so funny when he wants to be, and then serious at others, amazing anger. --mc_hammark 07:17, 19 January 2010 (EST)
          • Sorry, I meant actor. Amazing actor. --mc_hammark 07:17, 19 January 2010 (EST)
            • "IGIARI!" Seriously, Ando, Phoenix Wright he is NOT.--Gibbeynator 08:03, 19 January 2010 (EST)
              • Definetly some good quotes in this one, though the Quantum Leap reference eluded me so it lost a fair amount of its impact. Is it a reference to an old US series? Swm 08:24, 19 January 2010 (EST)

I didn't need to get the actual reference to get the point of the line. What Hiro was saying wasn't original. I don't blame him for it, I often think of song lyrics for certain scenarios (for stories, games, or real life situations). Just because it came from something else doesn't mean it didn't come from the heart.--anguard 10:18, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Episode 16, not 15

There's been a lot of confusion about if these episodes are being numbered right or not. Here's the thing, ever since the premier every episode number minus 1 is the chapter number. So this would be episode 16, chapter 15. David Lawrence pointed this out on twitter saying his scripts and call sheets are numbered differently as oppose to what we're saying here. For example, he says his script and call sheet is numbered 4.17 as oppose to 4.16. --OutbackZack 03:59, 19 January 2010 (EST)

• Correct. For production reasons, the crew all call the episodes by a new number for every hour. So my script for this episode very clearly says "416" all over it. However, on the wiki, what's onscreen is king. The title onscreen clearly says "Chapter 15", so we refer to this as "415" (Season 4, Chapter 15). Thanks for clarifying, OBZ. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:15, 19 January 2010 (EST)
  • To put it (not so) simply, this is Season Four, Volume Five, Episode Sixteen, Chapter Fifteen. -- Tristan0709 talk 08:39, 19 January 2010 (EST)
    • 23, 42.--Gibbeynator 09:03, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Sylar Clothes

Even though it sound like a stupid question. how the heck does Sylar keep getting a change of clothes and a new wardrobe every episode? hH started of with a shirt and jacket in this episode than by the end he's at the door of matt's house in a brand new pea coat. somehow I can't imagine Sylar stopping of to go shopping and going oh this pea coat looks nice. i know he obviously cant where the same clothes every episodes but i'm just wondering how he does! He seems to care a lot about his appearance for a serial killer. especially in season 1 when he threw HRG into a wall and said "That was for the haircut" and what do you know now he's growing his hair! -Devane183516:30, 19 January 2010 (GMT)

• Remember that with shapeshifting he could also change clothes. It may be that now he's developed it to a stage where he can just change the clothes. And as for why, he's a deranged serial killer who probably thinks that he need's to look cool in whatever he's doing. Also, he's very charismatic in nature, and if you seen someone in a t-shirt that was dirty and smelly, you wouldn't exactly think of them what you do of sylar. --mc_hammark 11:34, 19 January 2010 (EST)