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Adam

Adam Monroe is probably the white-haired guy, but there's no way to be sure. Since there's no way to tell, I don't know why we have a page about him. At most, there should be a note on group of twelve that Heroes: The Mobile Game lists one of the founders as Adam Monroe. Until we can match a face with a name, I don't see any point in having this article. Having both pictures is not a good idea because Adam is one or the other, not both. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:33, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I added clarification to the two pictures. I agree with you, that he will most likely endup being the white-haired guy. I expect that the Hispanic guy will end up being the dad of Maya and Al, and just posted a theory about Mr. H. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/18/2007 12:37 (EST)
    • But one of the guys is not Adam Monroe, so there's no reason to have his picture on the page. It would be like putting a picture of everybody who could be the hooded killer in a gallery on that page. It's really more of a theory. The difference with the unnamed woman is that we have multiple sources that confirm her portrayer. We don't know anything about Adam Monroe except that he has a name and is most likely a member of the group of twelve. If we don't know which guy it is, we shouldn't have a picture of people he could be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:42, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I think we should have a page on him as it's probable that we'll have an article on him in the future and it's better to have the page as soon as possible in that case. I don't really have a strong opinion on whether we should show potential pictures or not, though I agree the information is theoretical. Plus for all we know he was a co-founder who died before the picture was taken place so it may in fact be niether of the men. (Admin 12:54, 18 October 2007 (EDT))
    • OK, I'll just remove the gallery for now, and if/when we get more confirmation to identity in the future, we can add stuff then as appropriate. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/18/2007 12:56 (EST)
      • I removed the gallery and cleaned the page up a bit (adding more about The Mobile Game, removing some theories and that image which was not a character portrait). I agree, the page should stand, it just should not be a theory page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Lead Text

  • I'm not a big fan of saying "Adam Monroe is one of the founders of the Company." That's not confirmed in any canon source and should be confined to Notes. If this is going to be a mainspace article, we should follow the rules.--Hardvice (talk) 15:54, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Good job, HDS. That's exactly what I was trying to do, but I was drawing a blank. When all else fails, state what you know.--Hardvice (talk) 16:11, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

In "The Line"

His name was on a file in "The Line".--The Empath 21:33, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I also wouldn't doubt it if the note to Peter in Montreal was from Adam Monroe, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Mentioned by name by Mohinder to Bob.--Riddler 22:14, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I suppose it would be too speculative to say that the note left for Peter was from Adam Monroe, wouldn't it? (Admin 00:02, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Agreed. --Bob (talk) 00:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I mean, it's looking like it is, but we can't put that yet. :( -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Lots of interest in this article

  • Looks like lots of people are looking for information on Adam. Lots of visitors to this page searching for Adam Monroe. Wish there was more information on him, but hopefully people will be pleasantly interested to discover he was one of the founders of The Company at least. (Admin 01:07, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
    • That's great. I'm including this image here because 1) it's unused, and 2) it mentions Adam's name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

theory

i think that Adam monroe is actually kensei, because of his powers he is immortal. he is the person who had been killing the members of the company.

  • good call!--Dirtypr 12:16, 6 November 2007 (EST)
  • please add this to the list of theories. Not in a discussion page. Thanks! If you have any questions on how to add theories you can look in the help section. Jason Garrick 21:02, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Name picture as charbox image: Reason

The entire reason I dug up and posted the file-picture of Adam yesterday, was so that it could be used for his charbox's image instead of the 'image not available' filler, until a real picture of him becomes available. This isn't a new precedence. We do this on a lot of pages. All of the following people have a infobox picture that simply lists their name, if that is all we have of them. Felipe Acerra, Abu Aswan, Byron Bevington, Penkala Burton, Tracy Chobham, Harry Fletcher, Pam Green, Michelle Valcek. (You could also site all of Chandra's Journal personnel too, which use their journal page as their charbox image.) I am going to move the pic back. We should let it stay there until we get a real pic of Adam, which will probably be pretty soon anyway. Also, the 'need more pictures banner' is unnecessary too, because we have a lot of pages that only have one single image, and don't have that splash banner. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/31/2007 07:14 (EST)

  • It's not a "needs more pictures" banner. It's a note that we don't have a proper lead image, and adds the article to Category:Articles without images. That's pretty important, as it makes sure we don't forget to get a good lead image for an article. In this case, we don't have a picture of Adam. Once one becomes available, we'll want to replace the image we have. I'll re-add template:noimage manually to this so he's marked as needing an actual image of the character properly.--Hardvice (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Did they?

  • "In the episode commentary for The Line, the writers referred to the author of Peter's note as Adam Monroe." Did they? They talked about Adam Monroe, and the note, but I don't remember them referring to the note as from Adam Monroe. In fact. it seemed like they were being intentionally vague.--Hardvice (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
    • If my memory serves me correctly, they refer to the room in Montreal as belonging to Adam Monroe, and that we'll get to see a lot of him soon.--Bob (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
      • I changed the note a bit to fit what you said, Bob. I haven't watched the commentary yet, so I can't be positive it's accurate. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
        • They talk about seeing a lot more of Adam Monroe when they see Bob's file. I don't recall them mentioning him by name in the Peter scene; it's one of the things I had on my list to listen for. I'll rewatch that scene to be double sure.--Hardvice (talk) 20:51, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
        • They do in fact mention him, but not necessarily as the author of the note: "and her we go in to what used to be the propr room for our show, which has been turned into this great warehouse that Adam Monroe is going to be using." It's pretty clear, since they still keep talking about Adam, that it's the same guy.--Hardvice (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
          • Is the note okay, then? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:12, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
            • Yes, that's perfect. It leaves open the (slim) possibility that another Adam left a note in Adam Monroe's warehouse, which fits with what we know.--Hardvice (talk) 21:25, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

True Identity

So should we operate under the assumption that Adam will be his main name for the series until told otherwise? I've noticed Kensei's page has been changed to reflect that the name's more of a cover identity than a true one. --PeterDawson 00:43, 6 November 2007 (EST)

  • See Talk:Takezo Kensei. We're not sure what to do with the page since there's the legend of Kensei. So, the history that involves Adam as Kensei is here, but it should be kept on Kensei for now at least.--Bob (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Immortality

  • I think that Claire and Adam's power are two different powers. i think that claire can regenerate and Adam is just immortal. Jason Garrick 21:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 21:05, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • Speculation. It could be he lived that long. It could be that he teleported with some timeline's Hiro at some point. In any case, it said he was one of the original 12, and I don't see him in the picture.--Riddler 21:06, 6 November 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, I think that's the cool part. Nobody said he was one of the twelve, only that he brought them together. He's like the Jesus to their apostles. Only, y'know, evil.--Hardvice (talk) 11:06, 7 November 2007 (EST)
    • True. As cool as I thought it was for Adam to pop out like that there is still so much unsend. And Heroe, what I meant to say was their powers are similar yet different. But this could mean Claire is immortal too? And it kind of stinks if Heroes is still ending for awhile on the 11th. Jason Garrick 21:09, 6 November 2007 (EST)
    • I actually think Adam Monroe is an empath like Peter, and that he had encountered other evolved humans without knowing it. When Bob showed Nathan the file on Adam, he mentioned that there was a tsunami aimed for Miami and that it became a blizzard, but could have easily been a tsunami. If Adam's powers were merely immortality or rapid heal, he wouldn't be able to control weather. Rather, I believe he has the empath ability. Possibly this is why Claude's reaction to Peter Petrelli was "Oh great, another empath." Icewind 16:27, 8 November 2007 (CST)
      • I honestly doubt that Adam is an empath, and that the writers would in introduce another empath anytime soon. Bob never specifically said, "Adam saved Miami." He introduced Adam as the one who suggested that the group of twelve team up to save the world. Then, he pulled out the newspaper article as example of how a small group of individuals can make the world a better place. I've re-watched the episode a few times, and that was my interpretation. I know other people will see it differently, but it just seems like most logical explanation. This means that someone in the group can somehow "change" a tsunami into small snowfall. As a side note, it actually did snow in Florida once, in 1977. It wasn't a huge blizzard, but enough to leave a thin sheet on a car window to write on. =)--Ice Vision 20:26, 8 November 2007 (EST)
  • In the newest episode (Four Months Ago), when Peter went through the wall and met Adam, he said you look pretty good for 400 years old. So therefore he must be immortal?
    • Not necessarily immortal (he can probably still be killed if you try hard enough), but certainly his regeneration has prevented him from aging.--Hardvice (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • Evidently, according to the most recent episode, he isn't immortal, because he said that he can die if his head gets blown off.-- Manan 19:27, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Profile Image: Spoiler?

  • It appears the current profile image is a spoiler, as Adam does not appear in modern clothing until "Four Months Ago," which hasn't aired yet. Should this be corrected?--Trecord 14:37, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Kaito Nakamura's Killer

I guess he's a very good bet concerning the candidates for Kaitos murderer. To me it's clear that it couldn't have been Maury, his body doesn't fit with the appearance of the guy in the trenchcoat. This would also explain why Ando didn't see the killer. He just regenerated after he fell down the building together with Hiro's father and then just bailed. And since he's been locked up till (around) the day Kaito and Angela received their death threats it's clear why Nakamura said something like "Of all of them, I never expected it would be you...". I'd go "all in" on this ;) --BloodyFox

  • I completely agree. :)--Ice Vision 20:26, 8 November 2007 (EST)
    • Isn't that all a bit speculative, though? I mean, it could be revealed that, SURPRISE, the killer is actually waffles. While it is probably right, I'd say adding it to this article is jumping the gun. Lulu 02:36, 10 November 2007 (EST)
      • If it's not revealed that he is indeed the killer, then he's not the killer. We could just as easily put in Sylar's profile that he causes the viral outbreak because that's what's most likely to happen. Not to sound "snarky" or anything... :P I just think it's a good idea to wait as well. --Felixdakat 02:40, 10 November 2007 (EST)
  • I still want to hear more opinion on this matter until we allow it to be in the summary. Beeman said it was him who killed Kaito, and in the CBR interview, the writers said that it was not a stunt double like the original Sylar, but it was the actor, and we would know who the killer was in Out of Time. So the fingers point to Adam, but I just want to hear everyone's opinion.--Bob (talk) 02:46, 10 November 2007 (EST)
    • Mea culpa :) - When I started the discussion I just wanted to hear other's opinions. It wasn't meant to be a discussion about whether we should or should not add this "fact" (or what you'd like to call it) to the Adam Monroe article. Now that I know better, I guess the Fan Theorie section would've been more appropriate. But I guess in a week or two we'll know for certain anyways. --BloodyFox, 12:11, 10 Nov 2007 (CEST)
      • I told ya! :o --BloodyFox, 23:52, 20 Nov 2007 (CEST)

how did he?....

Ok I may seem dmb but how did both Peter AND Adam manage to get out of the cell? We know Peter phased, but surely even by touchng Peter Adam wouldn't hsve been able to get through the cell wall right? he was have had to take in Peter's ability? or am i completely way off the mark here?--   peterforpresident   talk  contribs  my rpg 

Adam's homes

We know that Adam has lived in both England and Japan, but are there any other places? He stayed in the Company's little prison in Hartsdale, NY, which is in the United States, for thirty long years. Is that considered a home? Also, Adam owns a Montreal warehouse, which seems to be a home to him. Would that be considered a home?--Ice Vision 09:30, 23 November 2007 (EST)

  • I thought about adding Hartsdale as one of his homes, but there's something that seems odd to me about adding the place he was imprisoned as a home. It would be kind of like adding Brody as one of Claire's significant others, even though he only tried to rape her. We don't even say "Notable Residents" for jails, we say "Notable Occupants". I would make him a visitor of Hartsdale, unless we learn that he once lived there of his own accord. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:16, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • As fir the Montreal warehouse, we have no idea if this is a place he once lived or not. All we know is that he's visited it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:21, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Peter's Father

  • I have a theory that Adam Monroe is Peter's Father. It seems to fit pretty well too. For instance, if you go to Arthur Petrelli's page, as well as the Group of 12, the picture depicting Arthur Petrelli looks a lot like Adam. Also, his head is turned to the side, covering up part of his face. His face is the only one like that. Why would they try to hide his face if his identity wasn't important. --Manan, 19:34 November 28 (EST)
  • Furthermore, Adam was part of the company (possibly even one of the founders), yet his picture doesn't appear in the Group of 12, unless Arthur Petrelli's Picture is actually him.
    • I would hope Peter would recognize his own father. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 19:41, 28 November 2007 (EST)
      • Arthur AND Adam were both Company founders identified in the Mobile Game. Matt asked in a note on the Go12 image "Where is Adam Monroe?," while identifying the "man in horn-rimmed glasses" as Arthur (I love calling him that). Adam was imprisoned for about 30 years (Valentine's Day, 1977 until sometime in mid-to-late February 2007). It seems probable that his imprisonment precludes his ability to be in or behind the camera in that photo. It is possible, however, that Adam could be Peter/Nathan's father through "some other means" than being the same person as Arthur.--Tim Thomason 20:01, 28 November 2007 (EST)
        • Not only that, Adam hasn't aged in 400 years. He looks the same as he did in 1671. This means that he can't be the man with his head turned. They look nothing alike. Note Arthur's dark hair.--Ice Vision 20:05, 28 November 2007 (EST)
  • Like Heroe said Peter would have realised. Also before any of that, the audience hasn't seen him but characters have. The Petrelli family would have realised that he wasn't getting any older. This might as well be removed from any kind of theory because it is disproved. --SomeoneImportant 20:12, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Age

1584 - According to legend, Takezo Kensei is born. (Godsend) 1671 - Hiro Arrives in Japan (Past)

In 1671 Adam/Kensei is clearly late 20s - late 30s, If he was born in 1584 he would be 87 years old (surely he would've figured out something weird is happeneing as he looks so youthful) making him 422, thsi can't be right. However he is said to be "about 400" in the character page. He would have to have been born around 1600 for this to be right, which is clearly wrong. Shouldn't age be set at "Unknown" until it is revealed by a canon source? MrLore|talk|Contributions 10:32, 29 November 2007 (EST)

  • I checked the transcript of (Six Months Ago), and it doesn't mention his birth. It does refer to the 1584 date, in regards to Kensei's armor, but that could be a museum guesstimate. We should however, re-review that scene from that episode, and it it does clearly state his birth to be 1584, then we should cite that as the canon source. (it's really irrelevant as to if it makes sense or not). The Transcript only states:
HIRO: (subtitled) We found it! (He’s looking at an ancient Japanese warrior’s outfit for TAKEZO KENSEI (1584), complete with matching samurai sword. On the sword’s hilt is the SYMBOL.)
So it appears that it may only be a visual, not stated reference to 1584.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 11:45 (EST)

Status

So do we need to add a new category for the undead? I mean, Adam is buried alive now...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Nah, I don't think so. He's essentially just imprisoned. (Admin 22:17, 3 December 2007 (EST))
    • Wouldn't he be dead without oxygen and food?
      • His power would probably just repair the damage done by lack of food/water/oxygen --Joser Kyind 00:07, 4 December 2007 (EST)
        • I think we're supposed to get the impression that he's just buried alive forever. But at some level, that just doesn't make sense. His power is still a metabolic process, albeit a very fast, very efficient one. But a car that gets nine million miles per gallon isn't going anywhere with the gas tank empty. Sure, he could heal the effects of hunger/oxygen deprivation, but eventually, he just won't have enough cellular fuel to keep regenerating.--Hardvice (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2007 (EST)
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