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The ability is explicitly called "enhanced synesthesia" in From the Files of Primatech, Part 1.
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Two steps forward, three steps back

Well, 1963 named "enhanced synesthesia" as an ability name, about as explicitly and officially as is possible. D'oh. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:42, 17 February 2010 (EST)

  • I never minded "enhanced synesthesia", I just took part in the whole rename thing because the likelihood of enhanced synesthesia remaining was next to zero, so I might as well support another name of my liking. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:46, 17 February 2010 (EST)
    • "I'm the one who moved it, because a) "Siren's song" had a majority (or plurality if you must, Stevehim ;)) and b) it is the only name, description or not, mentioned in a canon source. The point is, there is no other canon material that can be used to refute the name "siren's song". If something more explicit came along, even if it were in a GN, we would use it, but that is not the case." Well PJDEP, guess we're using it... lol :). --mc_hammark 15:49, 17 February 2010 (EST)
  • I'm not sure why this is three steps back. I'm very happy that they gave us a name for the ability, no matter what it is. (Thanks, Howie!) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:34, 17 February 2010 (EST)
    • Notsomuch three steps back, but that we've been battling over this for months now, and they returned us to the first name we gave it. :P --Ricard Desi (t,c) 19:59, 17 February 2010 (EST)
      • The bitch of it is that they probably got this name from us. If only they had checked more recently.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:52, 17 February 2010 (EST)
        • Not like it's the first time they've done that. --Skullman1392 20:56, 17 February 2010 (EST)
  • Haha this is why I said we should wait it out :P --OutbackZack 22:31, 17 February 2010 (EST)
    • This was just bad luck. Anyways, nobody got hurt by renaming it "early".--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 00:53, 18 February 2010 (EST)
      • Phew, better than siren song. I'm glad. --Action Figure 01:02, 18 February 2010 (EST)
      • Why is that bad luck? There's nothing wrong with having multiple ways to describe and name a power. And with all the sensitivity that users seem to feel regarding the names of abilities, sometimes the only way to get a redirect to an ability is to have the page moved to that new name, and then moved back. I'm glad the name of the ability is enhanced synesthesia, and I'm also glad that siren's song redirects there and is a valid way to describe the ability and to link to it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:48, 18 February 2010 (EST)
  • So... I'm confused, why has this been downgraded in terms of canon? Wasn't the whole point of that huge debate that what Samuel said made Siren's song a tier 1 name ans thus unchangable? And now its been reverted due to a tier 2 source? That doesn't make a lot of sense.--Evil Maldini 05:45, 18 February 2010 (EST)
    • One word: explicitness. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:09, 18 February 2010 (EST)
      • That and it came from The Company files, which we consider to have more weight in saying what an ability is. --OutbackZack 10:12, 18 February 2010 (EST)
      • Right. We used "Siren's song" because it was the ONLY thing we had from a canon or near-canon source to describe her ability. As Mc hammark so kindly pointed out above (:p), since we were using a description, if anything more explicit came along (and this is about as explicit as it can get), we'd change the name to that. That's what happened here. There's certain cases where the lines between canon and near-canon are blurred if a more explicit term comes along, like with gravitational manipulation and electrical manipulation.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:52, 18 February 2010 (EST)
        • Fair enough, but would it not be a good idea to have a reference to Siren's Song in the description, e.g. "Enhanced Synesthesia (also referred to as a Siren's Song) is the ability to...."?--Evil Maldini 04:28, 19 February 2010 (EST)
          • I don't see why this would be step back, was stated as Enhanced Synesthesia beforehand somewhere on this site anyway, wasn't it? (I could've sworn I saw it somewhere) User:Shadowulf1 16:36, 21 February 2010 (EST)
            • On this site, yes. In an in-world source, no. A quick history on the name: Heroes Interactive said that Emma had a "form of synesthesia", so we created "enhanced synesthesia". Then there were two overt mentions of Emma being a "siren" (one referencing her "siren's song"), so we renamed the ability "siren's song". Then the Primatech files on Chris Coolidge explicitly called the ability "enhanced synesthesia". I agree with you, Shadowulf--I don't see any steps backward, only steps forward. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:17, 21 February 2010 (EST)
              • If anything, it may imply that they take our ideas into consideration for the show...maybe (And I like Enhanced synesthesia better than Siren's Song anyway to describe this power...that name isn't thorough enough... User:Shadowulf1 20:19, 21 February 2010 (EST)
                • Oh, yes, there's a long history of Heroes Wiki influencing in-world content. The naming of intuitive aptitude was one of the first examples. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2010 (EST)
              • You're quite the optimist Ryan :P--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 21:34, 21 February 2010 (EST)
  • Back to "Siren's song" in the Files of Primatech, Part 2.... --Juba 10:43, 3 March 2010 (EST)
    • The novel's introduction (which is not canon or near-canon) describes the ability as "a siren-like ability". I'm not sure how that would affect the explicit name "enhanced synesthesia" in the novel before. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:53, 3 March 2010 (EST)
      • I think that the explicitness of "enhanced synesthesia" in part 1 out-ranks this one. Being called ES doesn't make it non-"Siren-like". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:05, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Primatech Files, Part 2

The intro decribes enhanced synesthesia as "a siren-like ability to use music to affect people's emotions. Samuel seemed to say the opposite though, that the user's emotions were the important part. What do we make of this?--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 14:56, 3 March 2010 (EST)

  • As far as names go, I think that the part one was more explicit than this. As far as effect goes, I think that the user can put his or her emotions into music, as well as affect the emotions of others. Chris wanted to go against the police, so he incited a riot with his ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:04, 3 March 2010 (EST)
    • I wasn't suggesting a name change, just to be clear. But I have a small issue with concerning the emotions of the user being part of this power. I don't know what type of mood would attract people, and Emma was in several different moods eveytime she used that particular aspect of her power. Also, even though Chris was still angry at the police, he seemed to imply that he could calm people down with his ability.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:09, 3 March 2010 (EST)
      • I agree on the calm people aspect, he certainly looked as if he was going to that. About Emma, I don't know what to say. The best explanation I can give is that, because Samuel told her that she can attract people, that's sort of the default effect her playing has. She has to focus or to will something else to happen to produce any other effect. Kinda like a psychological thing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:18, 3 March 2010 (EST)
        • I guess. I'd just like to alter the description a little bit, as the GN intro had some valuable information.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:20, 3 March 2010 (EST)

Luring and Blasting

Luring and Blasting describe the ability perfect as it describe what it does. It may not be a Canon name but neither is enhance synesthesia. Most of the abilities that have only come up on heroes, have been name on here, what it does or the way it does it. --50000JH 06:44, 5 April 2010 (EDT)

  • It's been called "enhanced synesthesia" multiple times in the GNs at this point. --Ricard Desi 10:34, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
    • Plus, they can always add many effects to Emma's ability, what would we do then, add more names until the name of the ability had six lines? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:07, 5 April 2010 (EDT)

Ability Powers

At first it seems emma can see and visualize sounds as lights and colours, but she also sees vibrations as sound and sound = lights. plus enhanced synesthesia the name sounds strange,. what if it was something like synesopathy or... Synesthetic Visualization. the way when emma combines her emotions she also combines the lights and colours/sounds to create destructive powerful blasts, but what if in season 5 if they made one she had more control over her ability, enhanced synesthesia is the best ability i love in heroes. when time stopped she could move the lights around with her hand, so if shes moving the lights shes moving the sounds, and if she develops the ability to move them with her mind, like a syneskinesis she wouldnt need a cello, she could just move any sound into a blast or push, i would love to have enhanced synesthesia, plus when she defeated doyle using her blasts it looks pretty awesome!, i wonder how it looks like to everyone else, as if she was doing telekinesis?. i wish others could see her doing it though, maybe thats an upgraded version, hey theres a name "Upgraded Synesthesia" lol. -- Stiofanb 18:16, 2 June 2010