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Pretty useless ability

It's useful only for hearing impaired people like Emma. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Unless we find out that she can control the sound too. That wouldn't be useless at all.--Laudo 08:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • I think Emma would completely disagree that this is a useless ability. :) But similarly, Peter's ability would be pretty useless if he were surrounded by people without abilities! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Nah, he never would be alone. Because it's Heroes, a show about people with powers! Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • I have synesthesia. And as cool as it can be, it's not an ability it's still a disorder. So this article is completely wrong being an ability. I've never met anyone like that who has synesthesia like Emma. So I think we should take this out of the abilities section. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. --Jason Garrick 11:02, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • This article doesn't describe the real life phenomenon of being able to visualize sounds. It describes Emma's ability to visualize sounds. Its name comes from Heroes Interactive:Ink. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Well unfortunately it is a real life phenomenon. A lot of people suffer from synesthesia. It's not just some cool thing. And it's a little insulting that Heroes is calling it this power. Like someone mentioned on this page, it should referred to has enhanced synesthesia or something. If a character blasts fire from the hands, would we call it enhanced memory? No. Because it's not the same thing. and even if the writer said that, we'd assume they made a mistake. As I said, this is a disorder. Not some kind of super power. I wish synesthesia was cool like that but, it's not. --Jason Garrick 13:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Is synesthesia a form of aspergers, in the UK there was a progamme about it saying people could see layers of numbers in front of them, another saw dates e.t.c 50000JH

  • Some people with autism have synesthesia, and it is probably more frequently so, but the two are not the same.
  • I think that it is a very strong abilty if you know how to use it and if its evolved.

--Nogard 05:41, 5 October 2009 (EDT)


Because of the desciption Emma's friend gives, then if a character who hears light also be classified with this ability?--Laudo 08:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Possibly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • No. Because it isn't a super power. --Jason Garrick 11:02, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • In the world of Heroes, it is. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • But even in the world of Heroes, it's addressed by Emma's doctor as a common condition among the impaired. Perhaps addressing this (or calling her ability "enhanced synesthesia"... or something less awkward sounding) might be in order. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Maybe we're looking at this wrong. Anyone with synthesia can see sound, but how many synthesics in real life can use those sights to perfectly play an instrument for the first time? I think we need to delve a bit deeper by finding out exactly what her ability does. Either by asking in an interview, or simply waiting for next week. --Piemanmoo 13:25, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • thanks pieman. I think that is a great idea. We synestetes can not play instruments upon sight. lol. that's just silly. Even though I play violin I've been playing for twelve years!! lol. --Jason Garrick 13:40, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
          • This is NOT a super human ability. AT ALL. It is about as much as a super power as being double-jointed. Nothing that Emma has displayed constitutes a superhuman ability. Some hearing impaired individuals do learn to SEE the sonic spectrum as well as the visual spectrum (that isn't even synthesia, that is an example of cortical plasticity). Visually impaired individuals have been known to re-designate their visual cortex to allow for other senses to use the space. In my professional opinion, this is an example of cortical plasticity. The only unusual thing, is that she developed it in her 30's. Most examples of plasticity happen before the age of ten. Even still, people with synthesia OFTEN become better artisans (of any sort). They explain the phenomenon as the "colors not tasting right when put near each other." Audio-Visual synthesia can occur but it is very rare. Typically synthesia happens with Gusto-Visual or Tactile-Audio or various graphemes-colors (I, for one, have tactile-audio synthesia, where I hear texture, and it is painful). This "ability" is just as "normal" as being double-jointed. Random guy 14:49, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Just a note taken from the wikipage for synthesia (linked here[1])

Sound → color synesthesia

Cytowic calls sound → color synesthesia "something like fireworks": voice, music, and assorted environmental sounds such as clattering dishes or dog barks trigger color and simple shapes that arise, move around, and then fade when the sound stimulus ends.[3] For some, the stimulus type is limited (e.g., music only, or even just a specific musical key); for others, a wide variety of sounds triggers synesthesia.

Sound often changes the perceived hue, brightness, scintillation, and directional movement. Some individuals see music on a "screen" in front of their face. Deni Simon, for whom music produces waving lines "like oscilloscope configurations—lines moving in color, often metallic with height, width and, most importantly, depth. My favorite music has lines that extend horizontally beyond the 'screen' area."[3]

Though individuals hardly ever agree on what color a given sound is (composers Liszt and Rimsky-Korsakov famously disagreed on the colors of music keys), synesthetes show the same trends as non-synesthetes do. For example, both groups say that louder tones are brighter than soft tones, higher ones are smaller and brighter than low ones, and low tones are both larger and darker than high ones.

This kind of synesthesia is usually easily achieved by means of psychedelic drugs, such as LSD, psilocybin or Cannabinoids.

Sounds exactly like Emma (Only Emma is hearing impaired) Random guy 14:57, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Oh boy, how am I going to word this? Thing is, for synesthetes, the sound becomes the color, they hear it and process it as color. Emma can't hear, so she can't process sound. What happens to her is that one sense ends up taking what belongs to another sense. I don't know how to articulate this properly, but since she is capable of seeing things normally as well as sound, her sight is capable of perceiving sound and light, kinda like a two-for-one sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:27, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

  • But wait, I thought she could hear the music as she was playing it, and that's why we only heard it, not the noise from the surrounding area as well; and why we couldn't hear the people clap once she finished the song? So does it allow her to hear or not? I'm confused. --mc_hammark 17:31, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I think we'd know if she could hear. What I do remember is her touching the cello with her head, deaf people who play music sometimes do this, because they can feel the vibration of the instrument. It's the closest thing they have from actual hearing, this way they can feel the beat changing. When you're in a club with loud music, you can feel the vibration in yourself. I think this is the same thing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

It could depend on how many decibels she could hear. --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

Sound visualization

This sounds to me like Emma makes sound waves visible for others, that's why the name doesn't fit. Yet synesthesia sounds wrong as well - it's a condition in real life, and it isn't exactly what Heroes Interactive said. "A form of synesthesia". It's not the same. I think. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • I agree that it's not the best name...but it's the best source we have right now. Hopefully we'll get more information about it next week. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:30, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • I really think we have to make an exception to this one Ryan based on the description. I'll even go along with Enhanced or Super Synesthesia. But the writer's have wrongly identified what synesthesia and just because Emma can do something kind of similar to what synestetes experience, doesn't mean it's Synesthesia. A big reason it isn't in any way synesthesia is because we have it from birth. Not randomly one day. --Jason Garrick 13:43, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • It seems to me that calling what Emma has "synesthesia" is like calling "enhanced strength" just "strength". I have strength, but I can't toss cabs around or jump 20 feet, anymore than synesthesics can play music from light.--Cro Magnon 17:18, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Heroes Interactive said that she has "a form of synesthesia". I would be fine with "enhanced synesthesia" as the name of her ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Yeah, it should be "enhanced synesthesia" to differentiate from normal synesthesia, which clearly exists in the Heroesverse. --Silurian King 18:44, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Just think of this:

the doctor said that loads of people who are deaf or blind have syesthesia, does this mean that they all have a power? --mc_hammark 12:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

    • It's not a power. And no. Not all deaf and blind people have this. --Jason Garrick 13:40, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not saying all deaf and blind people have synesthesia, I'm saying that in heroes, synesthesia seems to be an ability, and the doctor said that lots of deaf and blind people have synesthesia, ergo, those people would have an ability. Do you see what I mean? --mc_hammark 13:51, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Yeah. I totally see what you're saying. but on heroes interactive it said that emma has a form of synesthesia. so therefore implying, REAL world synesthesia. And there is no synesthesia like that. --Jason Garrick 13:57, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • It doesn't matter if there is no synesthesia like that in the real world. This is Heroes. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'seeing sound' thing changes in a way where she can control or feel what others are feeling through the sound of their voices. Either that, or it will evolve into something else. As of now, I'm not trying to be rude, but saying it is not an ability in the Heroes universe is just a bit moronic. Sure, the writers could have researched it more, but until we know more about what they are planning for the ability, you can't say it isn't one INSIDE the Heroes world. Dean 18:36, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Enhanced Synesthesia

I know the name "synesthesia" is quite controversial. Heck, I'm the biggest proponent for the name, and I don't even like it. I think we've found some common ground with "enhanced synesthesia", though, so I'd like to start a proper thread to discuss the name. Hopefully, that name shows demonstrates that it's something different than the real life phenomenon, yet it still goes along with what the Heroes Interactive writers are saying when they call Emma's ability of form of synesthesia. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

  • "Enhanced Synesthesia" seems to be fine, for now. Hopefully, in the coming weeks, we will learn more about Emma and her ability enough to find a better name, because it needs some work. Though, to be fair, a large number of the abilty names we have could use some refining. --ElleFanBoy 21:22, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • I like this idea indeed!! It's definitely not plain old synesthesia. --Jason Garrick 21:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • They said in the episode that it was Synesthesia. That's why the naming convention is on canon source. Emma's doctor says it. ~~IHHTalk 21:39, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
  • no they didn't say it was that specifically. The doctor suggested that Emma MIGHT have it. They never explicitly stated it. --Jason Garrick 22:27, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Jason's right. The doctor didn't diagnose Emma the way that, say, Mohinder diagnosed Monica. Additionally, the doctor was talking about the real world phenomenon. I think "enhanced synesthesia" straddles the line of paying homage to the real world concept of synesthesia, and recognizing that Emma's ability is something a little different, even supernatural. Plus, it hopefully satisfies the naming conventions of taking what a canon and reliable secondary source said (neither said it was synesthesia--one suggested it may be, one said it was a form of it). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:32, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • That's why I like enhanced synesthesia. I would definitely agree that while similar there are very distinct difference's between Emma's and let's say, my synesthesia, which is the common grapheme color one. Also Ryan. In the three years I've been on heroeswiki I've never figured out how to add pics! I know, I'm stupid, haha. Is there a way? I have some great hi def pics from my itunes. --Jason Garrick 22:37, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I'll leave a message on your talk page about adding pictures. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
        • I can agree with Enhanced synesthesia, but it still sounds off to me. I hope they give us a better name. --Riddler 03:41, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
          • To me it about the ability being developed. 50000JH
  • Thank you for defining this has Enhanced synesthesia, because I for instants have synesthesia (the kind where you taste things by hearing) and I was kind of like "Wow, synesthesia is a power? Weird..." xD Meteoritu =D- 21:18, 30 Septemeber 2009
  • The name "Enhanced synesthesia" can seem a little confusing but I think until a better one comes up that's the best we have. Just think of that if it has "enhanced" in it, it's a power. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 00:08, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Here's a thought?

Is this ability just limited to the deaf? If someone who could hear perfectly got this ability, would it be called Enhanced Synesthesia? --mc_hammark 11:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Maybe Peter will absorb it, so we could tell. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • It would be the same thing if someone with hearing had the ability, simply less useful. Its still confusing sound with lights. And I'd say its likely Peter will gain this ability, since he is the character interacting with her. --Action Figure 14:54, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Canon source?

I'm not sure if the doctor suggestng a possible disorder, is the same is it being out-and-out synethesia; so If it's from Heroes Interactive i think it should be treated as Near-Canon or Secondary. Obviously with naming conventions we'd still have to stick with it as it's all we've got so far, but I wouldn't say it's from a canon source. Also if we are thinking of alternate names how about (Advanced/Enhanced/ ) Echolocation? --Kh93 12:48, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

  • You're absolutely correct, Emma's doctor did not say that she has a form of synesthesia. She only asked whether or not Emma had ever heard of synesthesia, and said that it's possible (that she has it). It was Heroes Interactive that definitively said Emma has a form of synesthesia. The power name template at the top of this page should never have been changed. I just changed it back. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:59, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Not an ability?

It's a real life condition. Emma may not be an EH at all. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Well so is Enhanced Strength. You have to work extremely hard, but it is possible! ~~IHHTalk 07:14, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Nobody can punch through people and walls in real world, or bend guns with their bare hands. This is an ability of evolved humans. As for Emma's ability, we haven't seen anything beyond its real life equivalent. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • That's where the word enhanced comes in. Abilities with enhanced as a prefix imply that the ability is just a strengthened version of things which any human could do. Think enhanced hearing, strength or memory. Despite those with specific disabilities, anyone can hear, everyone has strength, and everyone has memory. The enhanced prefix is what denotes Enhanced synesthesia as an ability, rather than the condition. (I also believe that she is literally seeing the sound waves, not just percieving them in her mind as do those with the condition.) -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:54, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I also don't think we've seen everything Emma can do. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
          • You know, until we see that she can do more, we shouldn't have this as an ability page. I mean I think it's an ability myself, and I agreed to "Enhanced synesthesia", but what if the writers pull a fast one on us and decide she just has the condition and we're experiencing it with her?--Riddler 12:09, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Chances are it is an ability. They wouldn't introduce her and spend all of this time on her if she didn't have an ability. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 13:28, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
  • It's an ability, why would they show her for so long if it's just a regular condition? Obviously that's why it's enhanced, she can do something that regular people can't, like Psilaq said. If we erase this article we have to erase enhanced everything--Rod 16:47, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
    • That's just the thing, we haven't seen something beyond real-life synesthesia. Emma can see sounds as colors, yes, but nothing more, at least yet. As for other "enhanceds" - both Dale Smither and Sylar could hear from great distances, hundreds of meters, and super strong ones can punch through walls and bend metal. These are definitely abilities. I don't deny Emma is an EH, I just say she may not actually be one. It's just a theory. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Derren Brown

Did anyone see his most recent show "The Events" and the one with the remote viewing? In that there was a "blind" guy who clicked his tongue and could tell where walls were and where poles were. Is this like synesthesia; seeing through sound? --mc_hammark 11:02, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I remember that, I sorta thought that it like how bats hear - but thinking about it, it probably is --IronyUTC CH 11:50, 4 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Like "Daredevil"? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • Close, but no. What you're seeing on "The Events" is Echolocation. It's how bats travel. Basically what it is, is they make a sound, and the sounds in turn bounce off of their surroundings, allowing them to figure out where everything is. Synesthesia involving the tongue would involve tasting something... such as hearing a word and having a distinct taste in their mouth.--Riddler 12:08, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

dogs can smell cancer by breath

dogs have a brilliant sense of smell and can smell cancer in people breath. They can smell chemical traces in 1 per trillion. I know this sounds farfetch but maybe Emma could use the same. {{User:50000JH/--User:50000JH 09:17, 5 October 2009 (EDT)}}

  • That was absolutly pointless to bring up, but the part about dogs is probably true. Brandy, my favorite dog we think could tell my dad had cancer when he had it given the way she acted around him (he survived thankfuly) and we think our other dog Jack could smell it when she had it. Too bad he couldn't tell us: we found out too late to do anything and she was so far gone at that point we had to put her down six days after we found out (she was very bad off). I think she hid it from us for as long as she could given how right up until a couple days before we found out, she was her usual old self, but suddenly became very lethargic which was what caused us to have her checked out. Exactly three weeks after she died, we found out Jack had it to and we later had to put him down too although we had a bit longer with him as he wasn't so bad off, but the cancer had spread too far to really treat.--WarGrowlmon18 13:33, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Let me get this straight. So your dad had cancer, but thannkfully he survived. Then later, you guys found out that Brandy had cancer aswell. (The female dog; it really confused me when you said "she"...I thought you were still talking about your dad.) And when she died, Jack (Your other dog) had it aswell? That cancer is more contagious than yawning (not making fun of cancer. Its a very serious thing.)--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 15:56, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
      • My dad had it years ago (smoking likely gave it to him and he hasn't learned his lesson about not smoking yet from it). I think he's been officaly declared cancer free as its been enough years. Brandy was diagnosed several months ago and we think Jack (boy dog, we had two, now we have another one named Harley) could smell it on her because he was acting weird around her. I think she hit it from us as she showed no signs right up until a couple of days before we found out and then it was too late. That was hard for me as I was extremly close to her. She was technicly a family dog, but she acted more like she was mine while Jack acted more like he was my mother's. We only had six days with her before she was too bad off and we had to put her down. We found out very far into her illness. Lung cancer that had probably spread to the brain (we weren't sure as we didn't have a test done to check that but she showed symptoms that indicated it). Jack we found out about exactly three weeks after Brandy died: he collapsed while getting a bath at a pet place and it turned out his tumor (stomach cancer) had bled internally. That stopped on its own but wherever the blood went the cancer spread the doctor said. Thankfully we were able to have him with us for a couple of months before he was too bad off and had to be put down. Brandy may have noticed him too, but we're not sure about that. Sad thing is, dogs can tell, they just can't tell us.--WarGrowlmon18 16:23, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

It may be pointless but dog smelling cancer is true, but i think they have to have training, not sure, but it is a fact, maybe Emma ability could be use if someone was telling a lie i.e they breath go a dark.User:50000JH/Singature

Not just synesthesia -- what is it?

Guys, I think after that scene at the end of Hysterical Blindness, it's safe to say that Emma's power is a lot more than just synesthesia... Personally, I think we should just change it to "Emma's ability" until we learn a lot more about it (hopefully next week). --Whizzles 21:04, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I think so as well, even the power could allow the user to shoot out the sound waves as a concussive blast of sorts if pressured enough.
    • I think we should switch it to "Emma's ability." In fact, I want to get rid of the word "synesthesia" as soon as possible as it's a real life condition and I think it's slightly offensive to equate it to some kind of sci-fi superpower. --Watchmaker 12:32, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I still think enhanced synesthesia works. It is a form of synesthesia that's enhanced (in that it can destroy things). -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:07, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Agreed. Enhanced synesthesia works.
  • All I know is that I really wanna see Emma walking down the street with an electric guitar, just destroying everything. That. Would. Be. So. AWESOME. --Whizzles 21:15, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Shes gonna need a lot of extension cord for that amp. --Action Figure 21:25, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I think it should be changed to sound manipulation because both echo and jesse had those sound blasts and remember, sometimes the same ability works differently for the different people that use it.daevon 21:17, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
    • There's not enough evidence to support the theory that it's the same ability that they have. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:30, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
      • They both make sound blasts, isnt that enough evidence. daevon 21:37, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
        • No. Look at what else the Enhanced synesthesics can do. Jesse and Echo couldn't see sound.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:38, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Knox's ability is listed as "enhanced strength" even though his power is a variant of it. I think Emma's ability is also a variant of sound manipulation.
            • I dont think so, there are abilities which are very similar nearly creating the same affects. But they're articles are kept seperate because of there differences. Just like how it was noted above, she see's sound as colour. We don't know how her ability works! For all we know, her ability could have something to do with all the senses! We shouldn't immediately jump to conclusions. --Scorvi12 04:16, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
              • Synesthesia is a canon name Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • We have seen the ability be described as a form of synesthesia. I have synesthesia myself and while I can't say that I can blast light beams at people (although that would be cool), I definitely have similar experiences to Emma but on a smaller scale. It is definitely a form of it. but it is just enhanced!! HEnce the name... --Jason Garrick 14:20, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • In my opinion i don't think synesthesia has anything to do with her ability. They never even actually said she has synesthesia. If you were to ask a person that watches Heroes regularly what her ability was they would say sound control or something to that extent well after seeing the last episode i automatically said she has the ability to control loud noises but she can also see them. Unlike the other that can control sounds. --Icykidd 22:53, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

Obviously a real ability

The first proof that its a real ability: Peter could replicate it.--WarGrowlmon18 14:00, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Yes. And the second proof - Emma damaged the wall. So it's a superpower. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Sound manipulation/control

I believe her ability is Sound manipulation, similar to but not the same as Echo's. I know Echo's sounds come directly from his mouth, but Emma is in fact manipulating sounds, as seen in Hysterical Blindness. (I'm not sure the writers had Emma's ability planned when they named Echo/Jesse's ability Sound manipulation... his ability is more of a Sonic scream... but I digress.) Now an argument against this is that she can see the sounds, which makes it different... but if you compare it to Enhanced strength, Knox can "feel the fear" that makes him stronger. Similarly, Emma can see the sounds she can manipulate. The problem with calling it Sound manipulation is that Echo/Jesse's ability is canonically named and people would be too confused... so I suggest calling this ability Sound control, or something to that effect. If we can agree that it WON'T be too confusing to put it on the same page as Echo's ability, then I suggest it goes there. Thoughts?--Riddler 15:27, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Furthermore, if we do change it to one of the suggested abilities, I say we write on the page "with Synesthesic qualities." Maybe Synesthesia manipulation would fit the bill better, but it could be argued that she's not manipulating synesthesia itself, but the sounds she sees.--Riddler 15:31, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • I'm thinking we have a bit of a Dazzler [2] thing going on except only she can see the light but who knows as of now. AHB 16:10, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Thats what I thought when she smashed the wall as well. Would be cool if she could make it into electrical energy, although I assume the writers will run with colours doing damage only as otherwise she'd be a good sylar (meaning nerf or phsycotic breakdown)--Fr0z3nB0nes 18:28, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I vote for "Synesthetic sound manipulation", a variant of "Sound manipulation". --Nogard 15:27, 3 November 2009 (EST)

  • Synesthesia manipulation? =) Green.gif AltesUTC CH

The whole attack thing

this is a weird thing. If she can use the sound to attack like she did with the wall then it would just be like she had telekinesis (or at least that's what people without this ability would see. --mc_hammark 15:33, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • True, it would appear that way to others -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:04, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • True, but don't think she can move stuff with her ability  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 
  • Just destroy things, lol -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:12, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Is fine by me :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 


don't think she could play the cello because of her ability, she had a cello at home and peter didn't show any amazing on the piano :p except for the colours  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 

  • She probably used to play the cello, maybe before she lost her hearing?, who knows, lol -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:06, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Could be :D, think will find out sometime :D, Maybe peter will go back in time and meet her when she was not deaf? I know it's again farfetched but heck :p  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 
      • They could do, but I think they're trying to stay away from all that time travel stuff, it just complicates things -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 20:15, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
        • True :D, his new journey will be to connect with people and cure Hiro, maybe by going to claire?  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 
          • As I mentioned on the episode talk page, I believe Edgar put the box in her apartment. The cello was sitting next to a large blue box, which looks the same as one Edgar was hauling away at the carnie's breakfast. PowerSink

Can the info change on the page please of the ability? Her ability doesnt made her play cello good  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 

  • Actually, I think it does. When she entered her apartment she saw the cello and looked surprised. My guess is that peter put it in her apartment ( a piano being too hard for him to fit into her apartment, you know)! --mc_hammark 04:14, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Could be :D, lets find out in the next episode, I'm not saying it doesn't, just not confirmed yet  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 
      • Didn't the her mother tell her to stop grieving about someones death? Perhaps she lost her hearing in an accident where that perosn died? --Fr0z3nB0nes 11:02, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I Already mentioned this somewhere else  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 


She plays the piano and cello quite good as she looks surpise when playing the cello. How do we know that when she was school that she was not deaf and she had a natural ability of music, then she became deaf then she could of have a stoke and she forgot that she was good at music. I know it doesn't sound nice and it may be rediculious, but unless she can play music naturaly or if it is the ability. --50000JH 10:08, 1 October 2009 (EDT)50000JH

  • I agree at some point here, it could have been that she loved to play music and was good at it before she came deaf, and before christopher died, It could that she become deaf in an accident where he died and she become deaf, then she quitted playing music and her studies? Hope this theory comes out :D  WaterRatj (17/10/2009 @ 08:44) 
  • I think she's always been good at playing the cello [or just at music, in general]. I just watched the scene over again, as someone in the thread below posted a link to a youtube video of it. She looks more like she's in awe of the colors, but she doesn't look surprised that she knows how to play. She also keeps a cello in her home, so obviously someone had to have played it... Although, it might've been Chistopher's... and now she somehow knows how to play too. I'm sorry, I'm just coming up with theories as I type. haha. --Lance 15:28, 19 October 2009 (EDT)


Someone uploaded her cello in the park scene at youtube, I'm leaving the link here: Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:11, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

  • It's... beautiful. And obvious that Emma has feelings for Peter. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Hmm, if they do get together, lets hope she doesn't go the way of Simone and Catlin. Gone and never mentioned again.--WarGrowlmon18 13:54, 15 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Hey, Sylar killed Peter's father and brother, how about Sylar killing his girlfriend? :3 Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Yes well Peter was going to kill Daddy Dearest himself but Sylar stopped him from doing that so that doesn't really count. I would have prefered it if Peter had been the one to kill Arthur by the way, I had wanted that.--WarGrowlmon18 14:22, 15 October 2009 (EDT)

Ability Evolution

Since evolution of abilities have recently been occurring in the series, I believe on the aspect of Emma having the ability to control the light (sound) itself is one form of evolution on the ability to see it. Does anybody agree that Emma's ability ot make conclusive blasts is just her ability evolving.--NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 17:41, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Emma just found out her ability, she has hardly explored what she can do, not nearly enough time for her ability to evolve. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Says who? I don't mean to be brash, but there is no "required experience" necessary for some abilities to evolve. Ando and Daphne discovered on accident that they, together, could travel through time. Thus, seconds later, they use it to travel back (and forward) 15 years. It can happen just that fast. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:35, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
      • The Daphne and Ando incident is combination of abilities, the same way Peter had (and has) to combine his with anothers'. Evolution of an ability is rather defined by a person spending so long with an ability then it changes to allow a whole different aspect of it. Matt's telepathy developed into mind control which is still part of the telepathy area, I kind of consider this as an evolution, but the main evolutions I think of are the ones where the ability seems to cover another one as well, like matt using precognition and tracy turning into water. --mc_hammark 10:19, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Main image

I think that either this image or this image would be a better representation of Emma's ability than the current image. The quality much better in both and the user is still pictured in both. Thoughts? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:44, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • My vote's for the the first one you linked to, much brighter. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
    • While it's pretty, there's something that doesn't work with that one: we can't see the source of the sound, with that image, she could as easily be able to create and manipulate light. My vote goes for the second image. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:58, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
      • The ability has nothing to do with what causes the sound, only that it is there. My vote is for the first one. --mc_hammark 12:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
        • It is there, but if there's no source, it could be taken for simple lights. Putting the source of the sound makes it clearer that what she's seeing is sound, not just some light. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:05, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
          • I would prefer the first one as well. IA, pretty much any image we use would look like just some light at first glance. The purpose of the article is to show how Emma is actually seeing sound waves as light, not just seeing "some light." I'm not saying the current image isn't good, I'm saying one of these two would be better. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:15, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Then what's the problem with the other one? It does the same as the one you like, and it shows the source of the sound. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:27, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
              • The current one is of relativly low quality. the ones I suggested are higher quality. As has been stated before, the source of the sound is not as important in the scope of things. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 18:30, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
                • But it adds to the example. It makes it more obvious, more explicit that what she's seeing is sound. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:50, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
                  • My vote is for #2 - Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:03, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
                    • We don't always have to have the source in the image. If people are on this site, then I'm sure they watch heroes, which means they know what Emma's ability is, and don't need a visual to see what it is. Besides, they can always click on the article to know exactly what the ability is. And when they read the description, they will see what she is doing.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:40, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
                      • That's right, we don't explain what the ability is through the pictures, the article (or summary) does that; the picture is just to show what the ability looks like on screen. --mc_hammark 06:02, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
                        • My sentiments exactly. So, shall we put it to some kind of vote or what? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:03, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Emma's Problem will be Solved

In one episode, when Hiro and Emma are frozen in time, she touches the colored light and it seems as if she heard the sound as well. Maybe it is possible that the ability will help her hear... (im sorry this is hear. but i dont know how to make a theory page or anything...) --Scorvi12 05:10, 8 November 2009 (EST)

  • The ability does help her hear, but in a manner that compensates for her deafness (if that's a word). She can interpret sound with her vision, eliminating the need for hearing. That's just my opinion though, I can help you make a theory page if you'd like.--PJDEP 22:10, 4 December 2009 (EST)