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Source/Explanation
Explicitly named by Candice in Kindred.

Heh, I couldn't think of a better word than Sadomas...you know what I mean. But I wanted to point out that she finds pleasure in his pain. --Riddler 22:46, 5 March 2007 (EST)

  • "Sadistically". Sadism isn't necessarily sexual and masochism isn't necessarily sexual, but "sadomasochism" pretty much is.--Hardvice (talk) 05:22, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Whoever made this

I was very tempted to make this in advance to make sure no one called it shapeshifting. Very glad it is called what it is. Good job.--Baldbobbo 00:07, 6 March 2007 (EST)

  • Agree -- shape-shifting is another power. Similar, but not the same. (And it's not "Dynamic Camouflage" either.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 6 March 2007 (EST)
    • It seemed like shapeshifting to me. How is it different? Heroe 16:30, 6 March 2007 (EST)
      • For one thing, she's able to change her surroundings. See the discussion below for hiding Simone's body. For another, she took Simone's shape (and current outfit, even) without having met, seen, or heard her, implying she's doing something to appear as people expect her target to appear. Since that depends on her observer's perceptions, it's more of an illusion that shape shifting.--Hardvice (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2007 (EST)
  • Thank you, Baldbabbo :) --Riddler 21:31, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Environment

I've seen the claim that she made Simone's body disappear both here and on a BBS. I don't remember that happening. As I recall, the police never had a line of sight to the bed where her body lay. Is there picture confirmation? --Ted C 09:44, 6 March 2007 (EST)

  • If you check out the scene where she first transforms from Simone back into Candace, watch the bed behind her. It goes from being empty to showing Simone's body laying on it. Not sure if there are any good pics, but just check out the scene and you should see it. (Admin 09:48, 6 March 2007 (EST))
    • Alas, no recording. Thing is, I'm looking at Powers_candace_simone_1.jpg‎ in which Candace is still disguised as Simone, and I'm seeing what looks like Simone's body in the background. --Ted C 10:02, 6 March 2007 (EST) Powers candace simone 1.jpg
      • That picture comes from her second transformation into Simone in which she doesn't conceal the body. When you get ahold of a recording you'll be able to see it, it's pretty clear when you watch the bed. (Admin 10:05, 6 March 2007 (EST))
      • Actually, the second transformation Candace is covered in blood. No blood in this picture.--Bob 22:49, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
        • We should work on getting a pic, then. It would be a fairly important piece of supporting evidence for the limits description. --Ted C 10:06, 6 March 2007 (EST)
          • Someone made a animation. Candaceillusion.gif -Lөvөl 12:01, 6 March 2007 (EST)
            • That's too cool not to use on the article. Heroe 21:43, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Mrs Bennet

I noticed in the note, how it was asked how Candace 'replicated' Mrs Bennet, without previously being in contact with her. I would have to go back and re-watch the show again, but didn't HRG make two visits to talk with Mrs Bennet? What if:

  • Visit #1 was Candace appearing as HRG to study and learn how to mimic Mrs Bennet
  • Visit #2 was Candace appearing as Mrs Bennet to trick the real HRG (who only came to visit the second time)? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 03/6/2007 12:41 (EST)
    • It's Simone -- not Sandra -- who Candace had not met prior to impersonating her. --Ted C 12:56, 6 March 2007 (EST)
      • How do we know that ---- she worked for AWI --- she could have monitored Issac or someone else who was in close contact with Simone. She might have known Simone, look at Eden keeping tabs on Mohinder and Chandra. I know it might be unlikely, but we still don't know.Guy 10:44, 7 March 2007 (EST)
        • To our knowledge, Candace never met Simone before impersonating her. If we find out later that they'd previously met, a major mystery will be solved. --Ted C 11:34, 7 March 2007 (EST)
          • She still somehow knew what Simone was wearing when she was shot.--Hardvice (talk) 14:15, 7 March 2007 (EST)
          • It's probably like trying to figure out how a genetic difference in someone's brain allows them to fly. :) Personally, I'm more interested in seeing if her illusions only fool people or if she can fool animals and cameras for instance as well. (Admin 14:20, 7 March 2007 (EST))
            • I like the change--- adding "apparently" made it less definate than before it was added.Guy 15:31, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Power template

For some reason I'm not seeing the Powers bar at the bottom of the page. I can see the template code for it in Edit mode, but it's not rendering. IE 6.0. --Ted C 13:31, 7 March 2007 (EST)

  • I fixed it. The gallery was missing </gallery> at the end so it was messing up the page below it. Thanks for pointing it out! :) (Admin 13:36, 7 March 2007 (EST))

Episode Commentary

  • The commentary for Parasite has a neat discussion about this power. To boil it down to the useful bits, Christopher Zatta confirms that it is a mental illusion, not a physical transformation, and that she can affect her surroundings as well. They also talk about the special effects (which weren't yet finalized last Wednesday when they recorded the commentary) and Chris mentions again how most of the character's powers are mental rather than physical. Worth a watch, though in general it's one of the weaker commentaries in that Allan Arkush, while full of insight into the details of the production process, is evidently allergic to talking about what's actually happening on the screen.--Hardvice (talk) 14:44, 7 March 2007 (EST)
    • Hey --- I don't know i was sitting around thinking about her power and something hit me... she could have obfuscate. It means to conceal or hide from the mind. I don't know if she will turn invisible, but if she could, then I would suggest changing it to this, which is more representative of her power even now (but more so if she could make herself invisible) than just an illusion, (I just don't like the term.) Guy 09:52, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
      • I think we're best off leaving it as illusion. It's a fine description, and it was mentioned by the writer in a commentary. Plus, I know I would never be able to properly spell obfascate obfucsate obfussate whatever. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:27, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
      • "Obfuscate" is just hiding or concealing, and it's most often encountered these days in reference to a cover-up or an intentionally misleading statement. Candace isn't necessarily "hiding" when she uses an illusion--look at her second transformation into Simone. She's not "hiding" who she is from either Mr. Bennet or Isaac--she's just appearing differently. My guess is that people like "obfuscation" for this because it was used as the name of a discipline in Vampire:The Masquerade, but it's a poor fit for what Candace does--it's simultaneously overbroad and underinclusive.--Hardvice (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
    • ppl, this does not make sense. If this illusion power is mental as the author suggests, ie. manipulating other's perception, how could Sylar fool electronic equipment perception (cameras)? Were it a physical transformation, like, for instance, manipulating light to fool optics and human vision, manipulating chemicals to create odors, it would make more sense. Another point I just realized: Future Matt Parkman never tried to read Sylas-as-Nathan mind? Or could the illusion also cover telepathic senses? Fmobus 20:21, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Candance illusion gif

Is it possible to use this as the main picture? It's just too cool not to use. Heroe 21:22, 13 March 2007 (EDT) Candaceillusion.gif

New SFX

I don't think there's much need to worry about the visual effects used in .07%. On these occasions, Candace only used her power to disguise herself, not to change the appearance of anything in her environment. It makes some sense that there would be no background distortion in these cases, since there was no "background illusion" to drop. --Ted C 13:51, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Though I originally argued it to be illusion...

After last nights episode, I'm pretty sure we were all wrong. The only instances of this power we have seen yet are Candice becoming Simone, Mrs. Bennet, and Sylar becoming Nathan. Now, others have pointed out, that Simone IS still laying in the bed in that scene with Candice.

All of these instances, the transformer only changes personal appearence (and voice)... so I think the correct title for this power would be Shapeshifting or Biological Manipulation (maybe add a self- in front of that)

Does anyone agree?

And it was hard for me to type this, since I once fought to make sure we called it illusion.--Riddler 22:24, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

  • No. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) Random Page! 22:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • The writers specifically mentioned it is not shape shifting, but to fool other people into seeing something else. As Styx would say, it's a grand illusion.--Bob 22:27, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe not the TERM "Shapeshifting"... but I don't think it should be called illusion anymore either (I AM the one who made this page so this is awkward for me.) The way they use the power DOES fool people into thinking they're with the real person, but illusion would involve changing the environment too. They're only manipulating their appearence and vocals.--Riddler 22:29, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • To call it "shape shifting" would ignore the fact that Candace changed her surroundings (and even hid a body!) in Parasite. Just because somebody with the power doesn't use the power to its fullest extent doesn't mean the limits or definition change. Incidentally, Candace also took on the illusion of Claire and Jessica (or Niki, or whatever). — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:32, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I thought we established she didn't hide the body >_>... if you watch the picture you can clearly see Simone on the bed in the back. Like I said, maybe not the term shapeshifting, but I don't feel it to be illusion anymore.--Riddler 22:38, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Are you looking at the Simone picture above or watching the actual episode? As I mentioned above, the pic above is from her second transformation into Simone in which she doesn't hide the body. In her first transformation she does hide the body as the bed is empty and then once she turns back into Candace you see Simone's body on the bed. (Admin 22:49, 1 May 2007 (EDT))
        • I keep reading this, but look higher on this page and you see the still frame is from the animated gif (literally right before she changes from Simone, Simone's body appears). Regardless, she did demonstrate this ability, and the writing staff has said a few times it's not shape-shifting, but a mental projection of illusion.--Bob 22:47, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Also, one of the notes we have listed: " * In the episode .07%, the special effect used to show Candace's power has changed. Previously, it was shown as a "shimmery" effect that impacted much of the area around her. Now, it is shown as a "morph" effect that affects only her. " - This tells us she's not forming an illusion over the environment, but only changing herself.--Riddler 22:39, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I'm not sure where or when we established that she didn't hide the body. As I'm looking at the picture, I clearly see an empty bed. Simone's body doesn't reappear until Candace reappears. (It's easiest to see this in the gallery, the first pic on the 2nd row.) But just because an effect has changed still does not mean that the limits or definition have changed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Proofofenviro.jpg

Sorry, Riddler, but you're wrong. This screencap taken from a shot that takes place just after the police left, clearly shows an empty bed behind Candace (posing as Simone), proving that her powers can affect the environment. Joser Kyind 23:20, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Absorbed by Future Sylar

I don't really feel comfortable adding to the main body of the article that Future Sylar absorbed this power. What we saw was a possible future, not the absolute future. I would keep it as a note and add it into the main text after (if) it actually happens. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

  • But the article does explicitly state that it was only absorbed in a possible future. DannyP 00:03, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It was the infobox I was more concerned about. It looks like Bob took care of it. Thanks! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

A little duplication

Any of this sound familiar? --Ted C 17:02, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

  • They copy us all the time. Considering that they also talk a lot about how awful we are, I find it pretty humorous.--Hardvice (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Kinda my point. --Ted C 17:20, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah btw, I never understood what's the problem with en.wiki ? Why they don't "like" us ? And who are "they" ? -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:21, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't know what editors were involved, but they kept removing links to HeroesWiki from their own Heroes articles. It was a topic on their Discussion page for a while, but that seems to have been removed. --Ted C 17:25, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • It's not so much that they don't like us; it's that they say we're a fan site (which we are), whereas they are an encyclopedia. Basically, ils pètent plus haut que leurs culs. (I'm sure I mangled that, but you get my drift, right?)--Hardvice (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Actually you said it perfectly :) Thanks for the heads up. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:36, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Gender?

I noticed this a little while back, I'm seeing if anyone else thinks this...Can Candice 'change' into anyone for the opposite sex? Think about it...they only people we've seen her turn into are: 1)Simone 2)Sandra Bennet 3)Claire 4)Niki/Jessica 5)Micah's Fake Mother

And in the future, Slyar was Nathan. Does this count as a limit to the Illusion Power?--Patrick 06:23, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I think it's probably a coincidence, since she actually creates illusions. It would be odd if she could change race, age, and size, to say nothing of creating phantom hallways and hiding bodies, but couldn't appear as a man. But it's something to keep an eye on.--Hardvice (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
    • It may just be that she doesn't feel comfortable impersonating a man. --Ted C 17:32, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Besides, there's yet to be a situation that has called for the impersonation of a man. Though I will admit that seeing Candice transform back from or to a man would be kind of weird. DannyP 23:27, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Well, that's this question settled. Candice transforms into Sylar in Kindred.--Havoc 12:16, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

Move?

I'm thinking maybe that "Tactile illusion" would be a better name for her power, since her illusions can apparently fool at least 3 senses. Thoughts? Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:48, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

  • If it must change, I should note that tactile means related to touch... perhaps "all-encompassing illusion" or "enhanced deception" would be better. It's fine with me if it stays as-is, though.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:08, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Illusion sufficiently identifies her power. No need to change it. Plus her initial appearance on the show was advertised as "illusive" so it seems it's the right term to use. (Admin 23:12, 16 May 2007 (EDT))
      • If "tactile illusion" describes her power (which I'm not sure it does), then so would just plain old "illusion". Putting a modifier in front of it limits us a bit. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:32, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Severe Acne and Facial Hair

FacialHairIllusion.jpg

This picture, is where I got the idea of both severe acne and facial hair growth illusion. Notice, if you zoom the picture in closely, there is no chin...just facial hair where her chin used to be. If it were just her normal hair that is draped across her left shoulder, it would be behind her chin....not appearing to grow out from her chin and obscuring the skin on her chin completely (like a beard does). --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/26/2007 11:31 (EST)

  • Oh yeah, good call. Missed that one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Going back to the comic, there is no facial hair whatsoever. She scratches at her face and there are plenty of boils and lesions. But the hair by her chin is just the hair from her head hanging down on the other side of her face. It's a perspective issue. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:57, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Settling the facial hair debate.jpg

    • Are you sure? Notice the growth issue. As the frames unfold, she starts without boils, then a few, then they are all over the place. In the first frame you list above, it appears to be that facial hair has begun to grow on her checks, but not her chin. By the final frame, she has facial hair on her chin. Since the final picture is side-facing, if it were not facial hair, and only the hair hanging over her left shoulder, then you should see her chin first, with the hair hanging from her shoulder behind it. Remember, in a side-facing profile, the chin would be seen first and prior to seeing the hair hanging off the left shoulder. There however, is no chin-line....just hair where the chin is suppose to be. Now it could be an artistic drawing goof....but from the final frame and how it is drawn, it is drawn with hair covering the chin. Take photo shop or some drawing tool and lighten up and alter the contrast of that frame to make it lighter, and you can see even more clearly she has no bare-skinned chin where she should have one....(if she has no facial hair) --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/27/2007 07:00 (EST)
      • I do see a chin, and it's covered with boils. I'm just not buying that this side profile shows facial hair, where it's perfectly possible that the perspective allows for it to be the hair from her head. Plus, it would be the only instance of facial hair in the sequence. But if you'd like, I'll ask Ryan Odagawa about it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:45, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
        • I see the same chin you do, but it looks vastly different between the two frames. In the first frame, it is clear skin, a round chin, and aside from a few boils, completely normal. However, Betty's boil covered chin changes from being round and covered with skin and a few boils in frame one, to being not round, not covered with skin, and very has quite the weirwolf mug by frame #2. Her chin in frame #2 looks nothing like her chin in frame #1 when zoomed in closely. I'll leave it at that. It's not a big deal to me, just something I noticed from the illusion...what appeared to me to be both boil-growth and facial-hair growth. Regardless, she is quite the horrifying specimen. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/27/2007 10:35 (EST)
ChinCloseup.jpg

From Ryan Odagawa:

It's funny you ask about the facial hair thing...I was going to bring it up, but I noticed it was fixed. It is supposed to be boils and her face is "both rotting and peeling off her head" I thought it was funnny when it said she had facial hair...lol. It was supposed to be hanging off her face and rotting.

Good clarification. And I have to say, Ryan O. is quick! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:52, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

  • It's handy to be able to go to the source like that. Good connection, hope you are able to reuse it in the future as other GN's come down the pike. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/27/2007 13:41 (EST)
    • Yeah, he's a really great guy. He's emailed me a bunch of times, and wants things to be "just right". I appreciate his detailed corrections, like the fact that the lighter-haired student is actually a brown-haired student. He's told me the jock's name (but asked me not to tell), and let me know some cool stuff that Candice Betty will be doing next week. Ryan just finished Part 2, and he's been using our site for reference. I'm excited to see how his relationship with the site develops--I foresee collaboration akin to Jason Badower's. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Sylar...

Lovely pictures, anyway...

The article was changed to include Sylar (the real, present one) as possessing this power, based upon Kindred. While he does do a power theft on Betty/Candice/Michelle, the episode clearly indicates that he does not (yet) have the power, or the ability to access it (unless I missed something).

It's possible (but somewhat unlikely) that the surgeries left Sylar with the inability to absorb powers, and he just found out the hard way, or that power theft is a delicate process and he messed up without his TK (or any other number of theories). Shouldn't we change the article back until it's confirmed or not that he possesses the power?--Tim Thomason 00:08, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Nevermind, it was reverted. I thought it should be, but figured I'd "get in trouble" if I did so. Someone higher ranking reverted it, and now my whole comment is worthless.--Tim Thomason 00:14, 9 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Sylar has attempted to steal this ability by killing Candice, but will not be able to use it." I don't remember the part of any episode where it stated he couldn't use this ability? -- Friskymuffin - (talk) 10:36, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
      • It wasn't an episode, it was in an interview. See this interview, about halfway down. I'll fix the page now so it's more clear. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:56, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

Turning illusions on and off

  • I'm not sure how to describe this but I think Candice's powers work like a light-bulb. If you turn on the switch the light, stays you don't have to hold the light-switch. But if the light-bulb dies out so does the light. Basically, I think Candice can turn on her illusions and they remain there until she turns them off or dies. This might explain why Betty wasn't shown after Niki knocked her out. Another reason might just be they didn't want to put in a corpulent dummy. Jason Garrick 21:43, 28 December 2007 (EST)

Name?

I'm not complaining, nor do I really care, but I don't like the name for this ability. It leaves something to be desired. It's too odd, and it sounds more like the product of the ability than an actual name for the ability. "Illusion" just doesn't sound like a name for an ability. it makes me think Candice is an illusion instead of having the power to create illusions. I know Candice's appearance is an illusion but they way it sounds is like Candice is completely an illusion rather than a change of an appearance becausde she created an illusion. I feel like we need to rename her power but if not I'm not going to complain about it. --Dman dustin 21:17, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

  • Nevermind, I see it has canon source, so nevermind. Though "Illusions" might be better than just "Illusion". --Dman dustin 21:25, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Main Image

I know everyone is getting tired of requests for main image changes, but I have one. The main image for this power has never really sat well with me because all you can really see is Candice in a semi-transparent state. The image is also rather dark and monochromatic, which makes it harder to see what's going on I think that an image that more shows the transformation from Candice to whoever would be better (Such as this, this or even this.) -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:15, 21 February 2009 (EST)

  • I'm not a fan of the second effect used for her power (the morphing one), so images 2 and 3 are out for me, and while image 1 uses the shimmer effect, the current image still gets my vote cause it shows not only the illusion affecting her appearance but also her surroundings. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:25, 21 February 2009 (EST)
    • I don't see the surroundings changing in the current image. Simone's body is already fully formed on the bed. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:29, 21 February 2009 (EST)
      • It's there, but the whole image is still a bit out of focus, and that due to illusion, there's a gif image in a topic above, you can see that the focus gets better, the illusion is still affecting the area around her. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:34, 21 February 2009 (EST)
        • I get that, my main concern is about how, in my opinion, that particular detail is not very clear to see in a static image. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:40, 21 February 2009 (EST)
  • Any of the three images you linked to, PR, are cool with me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2009 (EST)
    • Great. Any other thoughts out there? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 17:55, 21 February 2009 (EST)
      • If no one else has any other thoughts, would it be okay to change it, then? -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 19:13, 24 February 2009 (EST)
        • I would change to the first one, I like the shimmer effect more than the morphing effect, the morphing effect makes it look like she's a shapeshifter instead of an illusionist. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:43, 24 February 2009 (EST)
          • Yeah definately the first one. --IronyUTC CH 15:59, 26 February 2009 (EST)
            • Well, I'm just gonna switch to the first one. Feel free to revert it, but if you do then please put a reason here on the talk page. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 16:03, 26 February 2009 (EST)
            • I think the current image is just fine, but if we're going to change it, the first image has my support. --Darmenos 14:37, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Illusion Casting

Wouldn't this be a better name for this ability? It's more in line with names like Freezing or Melting. Illusion seems more an answer to 'what can you do with this ability?' rather than 'what is this ability?' Illusionist (a la Puppet master) might also work, in my opinion. --Laudo 23:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

  • I know this is nitpicking, but I agree. I would prefer naming it illusionism, though. Illusion is really the result of her ability, not what she does...it's like calling laser emission just "laser" or healing "heal". The question is: how did Candice name this ability? If she just said something like "I can create illusions!", then I think renaming this ability to illusionism is a valid move. If she said "My ability is illusion.", then the page should not be renamed.--Referos 16:42, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Much like Houdini or David Blaine (ugh), Candice possesses the power of illusion. I don't see anything wrong with the name as it is. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:56, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
      • As I said, it is really nitpicking, not that the current name is wrong. Illusionism (the action of creating illusions) sounds slightly better as an ability name than illusion (the effect of said action).--Referos 18:25, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
        • What about simply visual manipulation?
          • No... it's never been called that. It also doesn't sound good. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:51, 3 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Well alright. I thought it was at least worth suggesting.
              • Can someone find the exact quote used to name the ability?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:28, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                • I can remember it off the top of my head. "I create illusions. It's kinda my thing." --mc_hammark 14:29, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                  • Thanks (and nice memory). We could used "illusion creation" if we wanted to. It isn't on the top of my worry list so I'm not necessarily going to argue for it, but it does work.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 14:31, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                    • Illusion projection.--ERROR 12:04, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                      • Is another rename necessary? Especially one that's been established so long? Besides, "Illusion" is a common superpower name in fiction.--Riddler 16:14, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                        • I think "illusion" is just fine. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                          • Agreed. Someone having the "power of illusion" is common enough speech to be acceptable (in the same way one may have the "power of persuasion".) --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:00, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                        • I don't really have an issue with "illusion", I would just prefer "illusion creation". But, like I said, I don't care enough to argue about it. I will say however, that just because a name has been used for a long time shouldn't discourage renaming.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 17:05, 20 February 2010 (EST)
                          • You're right, but a name being used for a long time is usually a good sign that there's probably nothing wrong with it. Something about if ain't broke... :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:56, 20 February 2010 (EST)

Future Sylar

Were is confirned who Sylar absorbed this ability from Candice? TanderixUTCR 09:03, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

From the FYG, Sylar said he met a special girl named Candice, who allowed him to become whoever he wanted, something of that effect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:33, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
  • I believe there was an interview (maybe Behind the Eclipse?) where they confirmed that there were several hints placed throughout Five Years Gone to tip off the careful viewer that Sylar had gained the power of illusion from Candice. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:58, 14 March 2010 (EDT)
    • Yeah, those tips were Sylar's saying it; plus Hiro asking for Candice, D.L, and Molly; then Sylar being able to find Peter, Hiro, Hiro and Ando, walk through walls and cast illusion; which implied he killed them all. --mc_hammark 17:15, 14 March 2010 (EDT)