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Glitch

Logged off: most of the table lines missing. Logged in: they're there.--SacValleyDweller (talk to me!) 16:26, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

  • Works fine for me. What browser do you use? --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:28, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
  • Seems fine to me as well regardless of whether I'm logged in or not. SacValleyDweller, have you tried clearing your browser cache? (Admin 16:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT))
    • Done, and it's doing that no matter what now.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:49, 4 November 2007 (EST)
    • and now it aint.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2007 (EST)
      • The lines in large tables are sometimes missing for me here, at wikipedia, and other wikis. It is mostly when I have a slow connection. -Lөvөl 05:03, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Rename

  • This article, named as just "Powers", seems doubly redundant with Category:Powers and Portal:Powers. However, it's a good article, but it really belongs in "Lists", since that's what it is.--Hardvice (talk) 15:34, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • "List of powers" or "List of abilities" seems logical to me. I prefer "abilities" because "power" has more of a positive connotation which might not be associated with phenomena like Maya's ability. But really, that's a negligible point, and I don't feel too strongly one way or another. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2007 (EST)
      • Hmmm... I agree with the rename, and think "abilities" may be better. I can't think of any better reasons than the ones that Ryan just gave; he kinda summed it up... :)--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  15:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)
        • I prefer "List of powers" to go along with the Category:Powers and Portal:Powers, so I've added "List of powers" as a redirect.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:44, 19 November 2007 (EST)
          • There's nothing wrong with calling what these people do "powers"--it's certainly been referred to as that on the show many times. "Power" and "Ability" can be used interchangably. We don't need to change every instance of "Power" to "Ability". I just personally prefer "Ability". :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2007 (EST)

Merge the 3 electrical abilities?

The 3 electrical abilities should be merged. They are similar enough to be the same ability, but the users of them may not be at the same levels of control. Just because Elle can't float magnetically yet doesn't mean that she doesn't have the same power as the agent. And the teenage patient could release electricity. If you follow this logic, Matt and Maury Parkman have different abilities, because Matt can't create nightmares yet. --sixseat

  • Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said in an interview that the power Elle has is not electromagnetic--so right there alone, I would be very opposed to putting them all in the same page. But having them all on separate pages doesn't mean they are necessarily all separate powers (much like the hooded killer and Adam Monroe were separate articles once--they're not necessarily different, we're just not sure at the moment). However, putting all of them on the same page definitely claims that they are all one power, which we just don't have enough information to say for sure. Further, just because two powers have to do with shooting electrical arcs, it does not mean that they are the same power. I would not call telepathy, persuasion, and mental manipulation--all of which have to do with mind control--the same power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2007 (EST)
    • Actually they said "She's no Magneto. More Living Lightning.", meaning it is not magnetic, the power in Walls is not necessarily magnetic either, in fact it is called "Lightning". On the other hand Electrical absorption, may or may not be the same thing. -Lөvөl 18:05, 21 November 2007 (EST)
      • Personally I think they should be merged under the article of "Electricity Manipulation" but because some people want to/will fuss, that's not going to happen.--The Empath 21:05, 21 November 2007 (EST)
        • In that case then Echo DeMille's power should be listed there as well as he is able to use electricity to convert it into sound ie he is manipulating it. The truth is, we can list abilities under groups together such as all the power transferance powers but they are all used in different ways. And we'd also have to take into account powers which overlap with other powers such as Matt's telepathy and Candice's illusion, they are basically the same except Candice can only show them the illusion, not control them. So some powers seem to have the same traits as others. Think about it? --Mc hammark 06:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Alejandros ability

we didn't name maya's power "Maya's Ability" so i think we should rename "Alejandros Ability" to Poison Submission, ya know, that way it kinda goes with hand in hand with its twin, Poison Emission,...get it: emission, submission...tell me what you think.--Anthony Gooch 14:40, 9 December 2007 (EST)

  • Do we know that's what he does? Does he "submit" her poison? I don't get it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:12, 9 December 2007 (EST)
    • Aren't we now supposed to believe that Alejandro and Maya both have the same ability? They both can create the death, and they both can assuage it. Sylar realized that by observing them and then convinced Maya about the other side of her ability, then when he killed Alejandro he also acquired both parts of the ability and we have seen him use it to produce the death stuff in Mohinder's apartment, proving Alejandro also had both parts.--E rowe 17:22, 9 December 2007 (EST)
      • Alejandro has never used his ability to kill people. We've only seen him absorb Maya's poison/plague. There also is no evidence that Sylar took Alejandro's ability after killing him. Either you're joking about this, or you're mislead. I'm not sure which one it is.--Ice Vision 17:28, 9 December 2007 (EST)

I personally don't think Alejandro has a power at all. I think that's what Sylar showed us, all Alejandro did was calm Maya down which isn't really a power at all. As for the whole not getting killed thing, perhaps he's just immune to whatever she emits? Immunities to certain poisons and viruses can be hereditary and if Maya is immune then Alejandro could also be immune. I hope that made sense. :S Tesphen

  • Maya and Alejandro possibly have the same power, we just don't know right now. But since Alejandro is immune to the poison, he most definitely has some sort of power, even if it's just that he can withstand his sister's poison. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2007 (EST)

yeah, he puts it into "sumbission"...maybe im using the wrong word...i mean he puts a hinder on her ability...but all in all it's an ability, and its a counter ability at that, he isn't harmed and when he "submits or hinders or whatever" her power it has a reverse effect on people (bringing them back to life, only after she kills them)....all im trying to say is "Alejandros Ability" kinda sounds lame to me...we should change it.--Anthony Gooch 23:56, 9 December 2007 (EST)

The only "power" we can prove Alejandro has is immunity to whatever leaks out of Maya's eyes and that isn't even a power at all. It's problably just a hereditary immunity to that particular poison or virus, nothing special. --Tesphen 11:33, 10 December 2007 (EST)

  • Like it or not, Alejandro is an evolved human. His power is not very clear, and we don't know all the details about it, but it's certainly a power and we've seen it in action. That's why we call it just "Alejandro's power"--anything else would be speculative. Now, he and Maya may have the same power, or aspects of the same power, that remains to be revealed. But we can say with certainty that Alejandro is an evolved human with an ability, undefined though it may be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:39, 10 December 2007 (EST)

The point I was trying to make - and was probably making a hash of it - is that you are making assumptions in Aljendros article. Has any canon source actually said he has a power? Even if he does it might not even be to suppress Maya's poison, she can do that herself when she's calmed down. The ability to calm your sister down is not a superpower. --Tesphen 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

  1. Alejandro is not affected by Maya's power.
  2. Alejandro's eyes turn black when he touches Maya's hand and absorbs the poison/plague.

Alejandro has a power (confirmed by Sylar and also by the writers).--Ice Vision 17:34, 10 December 2007 (EST)

  • Right. Besides numerous interviews and commentaries in support of the idea, the canon sources say that Alejandro can withstand his sister's power. He reacts differently to the poison than anybody else. Perhaps it's speculation to say that his power is to suppress his sister's ability, but Alejandro is evolved, and his power has been demonstrated on more than one occasion in canon sources. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Future Powers

Note 1 at the bottom of the article says something about these powers remaining documented until another timeline was revealed. Well, hasn't one been revealed now? Can we take these off, seeing as how the explosion was prevented, Nathan is apparently dead, as is Niki, Micah is alive, and DL wasn't killed in the explosion, which didn't happen, but by Niki's incredible and inherent sluttiness?--Yamawhata? (talk) 20:05, 9 December 2007 (EST)

  • Thanks to Miamivolts for timestamping that, I keep forgetting :) --Yamawhata? 20:10, 9 December 2007 (EST)
  • Future Sylar and Future Peter really did have all those other powers, so they should stay there. However, the note is really oddly worded. The only thing that would change with another timeline is the addition of more notes. For instance, if a new Future Sylar were to be introduced in a new alternate future, and he had the power of, say, plant growth, then we would add a separate note for him, even if he doesn't have the power of, say, flight. Two different versions of the same person, two different sets of powers. I'll fix the current note right now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Interactive map

The interactive map is not a canon source, but it certainly is a near-canon source. It's on the same level as the graphic novels and all the other Heroes Evolutions content. Unless it conflicts with a canon source, we need to trust the map. So if it says somebody has a power, we list that person as having that power until it's contradicted in a source of higher canonicity. So for our purposes, Felipe Acerra is capable of phasing, Byron Bevington has the power of precognition, and Tracy Chobham can teleport. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:06, 14 December 2007 (EST)

Split

Are we ready to split this page up with a separate section for graphic novel abilities?--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:30, 29 February 2008 (EST)

  • I kind of prefer to have this page be a comprehensive list, but that's just me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:50, 29 February 2008 (EST)
    • I didn't mean two pages, just two headers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:52, 29 February 2008 (EST)
      • Does anybody scroll through it and read it, or do people use it as a reference? I navigate it either with the TOC, or by just scrolling through. I kind of prefer to have it in pure alphabetical order, but if there are people who want it split into two sections, I guess that'd work too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 29 February 2008 (EST)
        • Ok, I'll leave it as is until we get a few more comments.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)
          • I agree with Ryan about it being using scrolled alphabetical reference-list. Unless it grows alot larger than it is now, we shouldn't split. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/29/2008 22:22 (EST)
        • I like to skim/scroll through this page. I find it easier to find abilities here than in the now-split abilities portals. Any sort of split would confuse me and make it harder for me to use. Plus, it reminds me of how many abilities there are in the Heroes universe.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:07, 1 March 2008 (EST)
        • I have no strong preference either way, as long as they remain on the same page since the lists should be comprehensive. I know lots of the themes put the episodes and the GNs in separate sections, but it appears most if not all of the lists do not.--Hardvice (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)
        • My impression of the point of this article is to list all the abilities. I think that keeping it the way it is would be best. Navigation-wise, the split for the portal was necessary, but lists don't need to necessarily be split for organization.--Bob (talk) 03:06, 1 March 2008 (EST)
          • ...especially if they have a good TOC like this one. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:12, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Powers from Deleted scenes

Just to be clear, they do not go on this page in this manner, correct?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:03, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Right, I think the list of deleted/lost scene abilities should be on a separate page. In any case, I don't think the deleted scenes abilities require individual pages for each ability (so the redlinks should be removed).--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:06, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Good! just what I thought.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
      • Sorry about that. I just thought I would post them for documentation kind of how you have for the Engineer. The Engineer and his power is listed for documentation and he hasn't appeared in the show. In essence he is from a lost episode. 3 September 2008 (EDT)
        • OK, well, since I think we have two one of those powers that you put in in your edit already in the in the unconfirmed section, just mirror how we documented the Engineer in the confirmed section. Then just add a small note about Kaito's deleted scene power and that stone skin one, and we should be cool, Jman. :) --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:36, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
          • Where in the abilities section would I put Kaito's and Keep's note about their power at? In the uncomfirmed section? 4 September 2008 (EDT)
            • Kaito doesn't have an ability and there is nobody named Keep in the world of Heroes--only in the world of the deleted scenes. That information can go in Notes sections. I believe it already is listed here and here. I suppose we could make a Notes section on this page, but really this is a reference page, reserved for abilities that are mentioned in the world of Heroes. I'm not opposed to a section on this page, I just question its necessity, and I certainly question creating red links for those powers which never appeared in the world of Heroes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:50, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
              • I would argue that while this is a reference page for all heroes powers from, as Ryan calls it, the World of Heroes'; the deleted scenes themselves, are apart of the Heroes world to some degree; otherwise they would not be included on the official Heroes DVDs. They simply happen to be scenes that for whatever reason, didn't make it into an episode. From a reference perspective, however, I think they at least merit a section on this all-exhaustive powers page; because it is a reference point for all powers. If they weren't included here in their own section, then someone would have to know about Kaito or Keep and their deleted-scene power, to know to go to those notes pages, to read about them. That's pretty much causing those deleted-scene-powers to fall through the cracks....Whereas a simple section at the bottom of this page citing them, the few that they are, wouldn't hurt anything, and would still make this page be the one-point reference page for all powers; regardless of their classification. Plus, we could then be consistent with the Engineer, and move his reference to this new 'deleted scenes powers' section, and out of the mainstream section. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/3/2008 11:22 (EST)
                • I can see where you are comming from, however, I would caution against anything that calls attention to the deleted scenes (IE a specific section for them), as that would imply that we consider the deleted scenes canon. The deleted scenes are NOT canon. A notes section, incorporating the deleted scene info and the existing notes would sufice. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 17:20, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
                  • Agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:31, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
                    • OK, I made a notes section, and put the 4 known ones I can think of, in the table; and tried to make clear this is non canon; and here for documentation only. I didn't attempt to effect the TOC stuff with this, figured you guys probably wouldn't want it in there. Also moved the Engineer down to this section, to be consistent with all deleted non-canon scenes. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/8/2008 18:32 (EST)

Names?

Shouldn't we use better names for the powers? Like "Cryokinesis" instead of "Freezing"?--Oxico 22:17, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Notes section

Since we now link powers directly to future absorbers, we should either remove the first note about the explosion future or add a note for the exposed future. Intuitive Empath 14:32, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Heroes Versus

On MySpace, there's an NBC run application where you can put up "versus" polls between characters, abilities, and etc. Well under abilities there's some interesting things that caught my eye. 1.) Future Ando's ability is listed as lighting. 2.) Knox's ability is listed as Enhance Strength whereas Niki's is Super Strength. Now like I said, this is NBC run. I guess the writers put up all the context. So perhaps we could us this as a source with naming abilities? Every ability that we have come up with a name for matches exactly up with the name of the abilities on there. However, Doyle's is listed as Physical Manipulation whereas his AT calls it Puppet Master. So that would possibly place Heroes Versus under the ATs for when it comes to naming abilities. Please really put some thought into this instead of blowing it off just because it's on MySpace. --OutbackZack 13:07, 8 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack

  • Really liked these three names, they make sense, all the wiki can do now is discuss it. Who knows? If this comes from NBC they might update the AT to reflect the new name, we can only hope. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:20, 8 December 2008 (EST)
    • What I think might have happen is that whoever wrote the AT isn't really communicating well with the other writers. This can also be seen when Meredith's gender was listed as W (for woman) instead of F (for female). --OutbackZack 13:28, 8 December 2008 (EST)OutbackZack
  • Heroes Versus lists Flying and Flight as two different abilities when they are really the same thing. -- Cael 20:23, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Rules for this page

While looking at this page, I noticed something of an inconsistency in listing who has what power, but am unsure how to fix it regarding:

  1. Future characters
  2. Whether a person gets listed if they've stolen it, been exposed to it, or absorbed it

For instance, we list one Future Peter as having super speed, but not the other, and neither as having space-time manipulation. We list Arthur as having empathic mimicry, but not under flight. We list Sylar as having clairsentience, even though he's never demonstrated it (although I'm not caught up on the GN's, so maybe I missed where he did). So my questions are:

  1. Do we list people who have absorbed the power, or do they have to demonstrate it?
  2. Do we list a person who we know takes a power even if they don't demonstrate it (eg - Sylar), but not one who has been exposed to a power (eg - Peter and Arthur)?
  3. In terms of 1 and 2, how do we list future characters? Beyond that, shouldn't both future Peter's be included as having empathic mimicry as a base power?

I was going to tidy things up, but am unsure how to proceed, and don't want to just start adding things willy-nilly, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks. :) --Stevehim 21:32, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Ok, let me give this a try. Using Peter as an example. Explosion future Peter is listed as absorbed super speed cause when he was first introduced, Peter didn't have that ability, so even if he has showed it in the present, his version of that future is listed as well, the exposed one isn't listed cause while he was exposed to the ability, he wasn't seen using that ability. No future Peter is listed as having space-time manipulation cause present Peter was the first to be exposed and to display that ability, so in theory, all subsequent Peters have displayed space-time manipulation, same with his core ability. We listed Arthur as having empathic mimicry cause he stole that from Peter, seeing Peter couldn't use any ability, but not flight cause Arthur, while having stolen it, didn't display the power. Sylar is listed in clairsentience cause unlike the other two, his way of acquiring an ability is 100% as to whether he has it or not, if we see him opening someone's skull, it's pretty sure he'll have the power even if he doesn't use it. Did that help you out? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:47, 20 December 2008 (EST)
  • I will be vague, but hopefully my vagueness will help be clear. If a person has the ability, they can be listed here. If it's not confirmed, they shouldn't be listed here. The easiest way to check this is usually in the infobox of the character's page, or in the infobox of the ability page. I don't update this page a whole lot, so I'm not really familiar with the inconsistencies you're referencing, Stevehim. But you are fantastic at standardizing, so feel free to go about it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2008 (EST)
  • Regarding Sylar and clairsentience, we Intuitive Empath is right that we usually list him as having the ability once he's stolen it, even if he hasn't demonstrated it (just like with Trevor's ability). However, he may or may not have demonstrated the ability in Angels and Monsters. I have mixed feelings on the subject. I think it's being discussed here and here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2008 (EST)
    • Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm going to go ahead and try to update this page, including the future peter's on whatever pages they're included on individually (Intuitive Empath...you make a good point about it being implied, so I'm only going to include them where they are on the power pages...which wouldn't include empathic mimicry). Again, thanks to both of you for the help. :) --Stevehim 01:53, 21 December 2008 (EST)
    • Update: I went through all of the powers, and the only thing that needed changing was an errant comma (though I did move aspects to notes sections on the individual pages). I'm still not sure how I feel about the idea that if we only see Peter, we assume all future personalities. It could get messy if Peter travels beyond 2011 at some point and gains a power there, as we'd have to go back and update everything just to demonstrate that one fact (that the explosion, outbreak, and exposed versions couldn't be assumed there...and we already may have problems assuming things about the outbreak future Peter).
This may fall under 'cross that bridge when we come to it,' but it's almost certainly better (imo) to list all future characters as separate individuals now and avoid a backup of work, and we've already sort of come to it with intuitive aptitude. As it stands, Peter is listed under empathic mimicry and STM, and we assume all future Peters have it too, even though they're not listed. However, under pyrokinesis, we list Peter and a specific future version (exposed), and thus assume that they are the only two that have that ability. And then we have intuitive aptitude, where only present day Peter is listed. According to the 'empathic mimicry rule,' we'd assume all future incarnations have that ability as well, but it's actually the opposite...none of them have this ability (at least not mimicked).
I think this will eventually lead to problems, especially when you throw in the power loss aspect (ie - if Peter doesn't regain STM, we have to assume explosion Peter never lost them to begin with, and thus assume he could not gain any powers Peter does from this point on, since those events would not affect him). What do you guys think? Would it be ok to go and list all future Peter's both on this and the individual pages as separate entities, or should we wait until a more concrete problem presents itself to do so? --Stevehim 04:05, 21 December 2008 (EST)
Just trying to understand and get some clarification on a point you're making. Present Peter was exposed to pyrokinesis when he was around Flint. He shouldn't be connected to that power anywhere except Peter Petrelli#Abilities Exposed To (which may be an obsolete section if Peter hasn't regained all his powers, but that's another story). Peter Petrelli (exposed future) should also list pyrokinesis as one of his "Abilities Exposed To". Neither one should be listed as having the ability. Great. But Peter Petrelli (explosion future) demonstrated pyrokinesis in Walls, Part 2. He should be listed as having that ability on this page and on the pyrokinesis page. Maybe I'm missing the larger point of your message because I don't feel like I'm responding appropriately... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:15, 21 December 2008 (EST)
Present Peter actually mimicked pyrokinesis in I Am Become Death, as he was walking into Future Gabriel's house, iirc. My only point about pyrokinesis was just to illustrate a third way we list things. I don't think I composed the post very well, but my point was that we shouldn't be assuming anything, including that Future Peters are implied if not listed. While they are technically all the same character, they are separate entities (similar to Niki and Jessica), and thus should all be listed separately, everywhere. As such, empathic mimicry should have three Peters on it (both on the empathic mimicry page and the list of abilities page), imo, as it's really the only way to keep things consistent and accurate. With regards to the powers I listed (pyrokinesis, intuitive aptitude, and empathic mimicry), it was just to show the inconsistency on this page (and try to determine what to do to fix it):
Under empathic mimicry, we don't list either future Peter, even though both clearly have it and have mimicked it. It was proposed that this was because, by listing present Peter, all future versions are implied to have it as well. By the same reasoning it would be implied that all versions of Peter have mimicked intuitive aptitude. But the reality is that we only list present Peter because he's the only one of the three that have mimicked it (I'm ignoring outbreak future Peter since he doesn't have a page). I only brought up pyrokinesis to show the other way we reference things...listing present Peter and one future Peter, but not the other.
Basically what I am saying is that, similar to Niki and Jessica, all Future characters should essentially be considered separate entities from their present day selves, and be listed everywhere as such (similar to how we say both Jessica and Niki have enhanced strength...I'm still trying to think of how I want to pose the entire Sanders/triplets family inconsistencies on another page :) ). --Stevehim 02:17, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, I think I get what you're saying now. If Present Peter has an ability, it's implied that any given Future Peter has that same ability. But we're not listing it, we're just implying it. Is that the concern? Okay, then yeah, you're right. Especially with so many future characters now, and with the development of Present Peter having less abilities than Future Peter (or Present Sylar having different powers than a Future Sylar), I think it's a good idea to be more explicit with who has what power. I don't see anything wrong with, say, listing Peter Petrelli, Peter Petrelli (explosion future), and Peter Petrelli (exposed future) for empathic mimicry. Maybe others feel differently, but I don't see a problem with it. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:32, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Unless there are special circumstances, such as power removal or alternate future, I think listing all incarnations of a character in an ability, such as all Peters in empathic mimicry is something redundant. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 07:41, 22 December 2008 (EST)
The problem is, not all Peters have the same powers, and so we need a way to illustrate that. I agree that it becomes a bit redundant, but that may be the price we have to pay for accuracy. Maybe on the individual power pages where they all share a power (like EM), a note under Peter's section stating that all future Peters have shown this ability would be better than giving each their own section, but they really should be listed in some way, as they are as separate as Jessican and Niki or Hiro and Future Hiro. --Stevehim 21:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Aresues/Mirroring

As I was looking at the abilities I noticed that this power had been added to the ability navigational bar, is this a new ability or had some one added it for fun? --laughingdevilboy 13:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)

  • I notced that too from time to time. I assumed it was some one trying to be funny.--The Empath 11:54, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Empathic manipulation

Shouldn't it have it's own page, it's on the assignment tracker(CO21) Rod 21:25, 28 January 2009

  • Please add your signature. The ability hasn't been demonstrated, and we normally only make pages for demonstrated abilities.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2009 (EST)
    • Sorry, I thought I had put my signature.--Rod 10:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Peter's flight

If he can take only one ability at a time now, how will we list flight and other abilities he gets temporarily now? Peter lost flight to Arthur, got flight again and appears to have lost it again, but due to the nature of his ability, not having it taken from him. How do we handle this? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:35, 5 February 2009 (EST)

  • Hopefully next week's episode or GN will answer enough questions we have, to get a better grasp on how to handle Peter's situation. No need to trouble too much right now over it; they will eventually make it clear, because he's not the type of character who isn't going to continue to get alot of screen time. If it ends up being verified as a 'last-in = current and only power' thingy, then we can probably just start a list-template of the power's Peter has used, and what the current one is, and also isolate another template that documents his 'past powers while under Empathetic mimicry control. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/5/2009 18:46 (EST)
  • I would put Flight: Peter Petrelli (replicated). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Power VS Ability

Why is Arthur's ability called "Power absorption" and not "Ability absorption"? Ability makes more sense to me. Ando's ability isn't called "Power supercharging" and unnamed abilities are called "____'s ability" not "___'s power"... --Peter 12:27, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It was because the assignment tracker gave that name.--posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 12:33, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

    • oh. Thanks. I just saw "Power" and was perplexed as to why it was there.. --Peter 12:39, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Kiato's Ability

  • I know Kiato's ability is named as accelerated probability on the main page under powers shown in deleted scenes, but he doesn't show any signs of the same ability that Santiago and Edward have, so should it not be enamed to something such as probability calculation. I mean, if it was the same as theirs then when Kiato was explaining it to Ando he would have said that it allows him to move really fast. Since he only says that he can calculate the most likley outcome, I suggest that we change the name to something more suited such as "Probability Calculation". what does everyone else think? --Mc hammark 17:23, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It doesn't really matter because it's not canon material. I think they use that name since it's a name that sounds like what Kaito explained to Ando.--Bob (talk) 17:56, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Hehe

Light absorption is listen under 'Unseen Abilities'. Haha. Get it? On a more serious note, though, what constitutes a 'seen' and 'unseen' ability. --Crazylicious 12:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It's unseen if the ability has been demonstrated, but hasn't been presented to us visually. Linda's ability is a good example, since we have never seen her use the ability even though she demonstrated it in the iStory.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:22, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • ...so it's mostly for iStory abilities. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Right, it's mostly but not always iStory abilities... there may be some episode or graphic novel abilities that are not necessarily visually demonstrated, but instead demonstrated via a sound or smell. Syn's ability is also a good example, since it's confirmed by a trusted show source, the Assignment Tracker, but hasn't been visually demonstrated.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Some Unconfirmed abilities questions?

Why are earthquake causing and de-oxygenation under unconfirmed? Surely they are confirmed as they are in the show and have been talked about. These abilities do exist even if they are in another timeline and have not been seen. --mc_hammark 08:05, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

  • The way we classify 'confirmed' and 'unconfirmed' is if we have seen them being used. If we read about them being used (as in the iStory), they go under 'Unseen abilities'. If they were merely mentioned, or from sources other than episodes, graphic novels, webisodes, or iStories, such as the Assignment Tracker Map, then they go under 'unconfirmed'.

Animal Control

can I ask why this is now under confirmed? was it in anything else other than the istory? --mc_hammark 14:48, 13 October 2009 (EDT)