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Source/Explanation
Seismic burst is the name of the ability according to the writers (Behind the Eclipse).

Consensus Check

Okay, to discuss the name of this ability, I think we should go ahead and try something a bit different to find consensus. Rather than "voting" for a name you think is the best, only sign your name under a name if you are completely opposed to it. And, as with any consensus check, be sure to add comments or discussion so we all know why you feel this way. Now, not signing your name could mean a few things. First, it could mean that you totally love and support the name. On the flip side, it could mean that you don't think it's the best name, but you're not opposed to it, or you don't want to stand in the way of the name. See Heroes Wiki talk:Community Portal#Consensus checks for more details and discussion on this new method of checking for consensus.

I'll also note that this new method is being test piloted for Mr. Shaw's ability. If you would like to comment on the method for doing the consensus check, please don't comment here--please keep the comments below just to discussion about the ability. Comments about the consensus check method should be added to the community portal's talk page.

To begin, I'll use the names that I've seen bandied about at Talk:Mr. Shaw and Episode talk:1961#New Abilities. If I've missed one, feel free to add it. Remember, only add your signature if you are opposed to the ability name. Not adding a name doesn't necessarily mean you think it's the best name, but that you are consenting that if that name is chosen, you will not be completely opposed. Don't forget your comments if you are opposed to an ability name. I'll also point out that there may be a few valid names left over in the end. We'll see what we do when we get to that point--maybe a vote, maybe more discussion, maybe one will be the clear favorite. I'll also point out that if all names below have opposing editors (or if there is a signature under every name below), then that means there is no consensus for a descriptive name, and the title of this article will be "Mr. Shaw's ability".

Okay, happy discussions! And remember, only sign your name if you are opposed to an ability name candidate. Thanks! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Shockwave emission
Seismic blast

Talk 05:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Agree. --Altes 10:12, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Shockwave propulsion

  • Propulsion means "to move something forward", but naming the ability "shockwave propulsion" does not cover the aspect that he is actually creating the shockwave as well. --Radicell 04:10, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Totally agree. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 05:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Completely Agree. ----Leckieboy 10:21, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Telepathy

  • There's no indication at all that this is telepathy. If it is, it's a new phase of the ability never shown before, and as such is mere speculation.--Bob (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. --BoomerDay 20:19, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Concur. --Crazylicious 20:29, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Concur.-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:34, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • No question. --Radicell 04:10, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I agree. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 05:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Agree. --Altes 10:12, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Telepathy? LOL! --Cro Magnon 10:58, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Telepathy? You're kidding me. Telepathy is the ability to interpret and control brain functions (And now, can be used to see the future, clearly), not emit a shockwave.--ERROR 16:00, 29 May 2009 (EDT) Telekinesis

Talk 05:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Discussion

Okay, so at this point, seismic blast, telepathy, and telekinesis are conclusively invalid nominations. The only valid names at this point are shockwave emission and shockwave propulsion (and, of course, Mr. Shaw's ability). Personally, I prefer "shockwave propulsion" since I don't really think "emit" is the right verb to accompany "shockwave". However, I personally won't oppose either one of these names. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Look, but I believe it still may be telekinesis. Remember Misha? His eyes and the liquid glew blue when he levitated them, so it's the first time telekinesis had a visual effect. The same might apply to Mr. Shaw, however we saw him only repel objects, not levitating or pulling them. So it's a mere speculation. --Altes 01:58, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • That was a GN, and depictions of abilities in them need to be taken with a grain of salt due to nature the artist/colorists interpretation of the ability. TK in eps has been shown consistently as invisable, not with wave like things emanating from the hands. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:05, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Also, about 'shockwave emission': it's OK, since we already have 'microwave emission'. --Altes 02:01, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Exactly, and besides, it kinda sorta looks like energy, which I think of as something being emitted. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I like the idea of shockwave propulsion. yea it the name doesn't suggest that he creates them (which he does) but neither does poison emision, or microwave emission. --Lolwut 09:25, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, those ability names do. 'Emission' suggests something that was previously not there coming out of your body. 'Propulsion' simply suggests something being propelled, as if it were already there, but stationary, and the ability user propels it along. --Radicell 10:33, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Well, it looks like all the names above have been opposed except for "shockwave emission". Unless anybody has another name suggestion, or anybody opposes the name "shockwave emission", that's the name that will stick. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
  • What about Repulsion? There's no evidence that it's shockwaves... -- LimaBean 15:21, 16 April 2009 (EDT)\
    • Grammatically it should be "shock wave ____". As for what a shock wave is: Shock wave = "a region of abrupt change of pressure and density moving as a wave front at or above the velocity of sound, caused by an intense explosion or supersonic flow over a body". I would say this semi-defines what the ability looked like (at least more-so than repulsion: Repulsion = the feeling of being repelled, as by the thought or presence of something; distaste, repugnance, or aversion")... -- Peter

We Have A Near-Canon Name

Didn't want to change it without an admin looking over it. But the new BTE puts this powers name as "Seismic Burst".

 <quoting from CBR> Q: “What would you guys call the ability used by Angela's Father used?"
  A: "We called it a seismic burst. We’ll let you think on it." <end quote>

So... can somebody change it? RGS, Admin, someone more important than I? Seb.gwirionyn 19:18, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The only thing I didn't really like about is the the "seismic", it implies something to do with earth or with tectonics, and it just wasn't there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:28, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Just to be clear, it's not a near-canon name... it's a name from a secondary source, and I don't really think it applies.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Secondary sources beats descriptions, and this is from a writer. Who better to name what they created. --Powermimic 20:41, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, secondary sources beat descriptions, but only when they apply. The BTE writers have joked with us about the names many times.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
      • are we including the guy from the assignment tracker? He had a seismic something ability. --Peter
  • I would have to say that in the past, the writers have joked about a name that was given to them (and it sounded stupid, so they essentially mocked the submitter). However, they explicitly named this one. I'm for renaming it, but I think we should hear some of the discerning voices first.--Bob (talk) 20:51, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
  • If they called it Seismic burst, I really don't see why it can't be that. Obviously, it's a more apt description for the ability if the creators called it that. We only saw it once, and are relying on those few seconds for a name.--Laudo 20:53, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think we should use "seismic burst". Sure it isn't the best name, maybe, but that's why the writers called it. And as Baldbobbo said: Sometimes they call an ability a 'dumb' name to make fun of the questioner but I don't think this was the case. I don't see why the name shouldn't be changed. --Peter
    • I thought they were just joking with us since one of us had already come up with 'seismic blast' and since there really isn't any indication that the power has anything to do with earthquakes. But I guess it could just be taken to mean a very large blast, so if everyone else is thinking that, I guess it's okay.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:33, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Plus this isn't like the times we've fed them possible names and they've just used it. They specifically asked for a name and were given one. This is key because hopefully next week we'll get a similar result for Tom and Trevor, as I sent in one asking about the name and how their powers relate since they appear similar. --PeterDawson 03:15, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think the writers were joking around with this answer. It was a pretty clear question, and a pretty straightforward answer. I don't think it would hurt to rename it "seismic burst". If that's what the writers are calling it, they know better than us. If the issue is that the name would imply something to do with the earth or tectonic plates, then that must be what the writers meant. I'm for the rename. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:22, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Me too, after all his daughter Alice has Weather control...--Juba 04:00, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Maybe a compromise? The burst isn't seismic after all. How about 'shockwave burst'?
  • They called it seismic burst. That's good enough for me. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 09:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I wouldn't mind the change, but to be fair, there have been other times abilities have been named in the BTW but not changed on here. --Piemanmoo 10:43, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • The difference with this Q/A exchange is that there was no "leading the witness". No name suggested in the question. The ability name was purely from the writer(s). I say go with it. GabrielPetrelli 11:02, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Seismic burst, get in there my son --Lolwut 18:11, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't like the name, but we have to use it. If only the asker had just gone here...

Personally, I think we should call this ability "seismic burst emission," because it's a better name for an ability, and I'm sure they're referring to the blast made by the ability, 'cause if they're not, they're calling the ability "a seismic burst." Thoughts?--ERROR 15:57, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

What this ability is

It's not about repelling others away. It's about fathers protecting their daughters. So if Noah were injected with the formula, he'd get this ability. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • True, didn't notice that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:29, 10 November 2009 (EST)
    • Are we even sure that Mr. Taylor had this ability? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 21:12, 11 November 2009 (EST)
      • It looked a lot like it.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:18, 11 November 2009 (EST)
        • I haven't watched Shadowboxing, were there waves in the air similar to those of Mr. Shaw? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • They looked like it, but I don't recall hearing the same sound effect as the first time. But I guess they are the same ability. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 10:21, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Ironic

Anyone else find it ironic that the only two people we've seen with this ability were only in a black-and-white flashback, and demonstrated their powers once, to protect their daughters, and were then shot to death. Waaaay too many similarities. --Skullman1392 16:36, 10 November 2009 (EST)

I don't find it ironic.--ERROR 20:33, 20 January 2010 (EST)

  • I agree with ERROR, this isn't irony, just an interesting similarity.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 20:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
    • Well now we have another person who is in black and white and is killed during their first and only episode... Meesa yoda 23:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • That still doesn't make it ironic, it makes a similarity between two people into a similarity between three people.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:24, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Two were shot after protecting daughters, and not the same two were killed by the same person. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:22, 3 February 2010 (EST)
          • The similarity I meant was that all three were shot moments after displaying their ability.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:31, 3 February 2010 (EST)
            • Still, all of the times we have seen this ability its been in the past, in a middle aged guy, and all were shot straight after we have seen them its ether a joke or just coincidence -- Melkor111

Seismic has a figurative meaning

I just looked up the word seismic in the dictionary, and while the primary meaning is "of or relating to earthquakes or other vibrations of the earth and its crust", it also has a figurative meaning, "of enormous proportions or effect". Given that the burst created by Mr. Shaw was rather large and had a pretty severe effect on the guard, the name is actually somewhat appropriate. Just something interesting if you were wondering why the writers choose such a name.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 10:49, 31 December 2009 (EST)

  • I think the community here came up with the name if I'm not wrong. Before we had it shockwave emission.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 11:00, 31 December 2009 (EST)
    • No, I was reading the discussions above and it came from a BTE interview, but people had issues with it because the power has nothing to do with the earth. This was just something interesting I found.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 11:04, 31 December 2009 (EST)

Wow...

This ability sucks. An offensive ability that doesn't put the target down long enough to get away. Ando's red lightning seems like a much better attack, and we still don't know whether the sparks or the supercharging comes first.--Gibbeynator 06:40, 2 February 2010 (EST)

The Way This Ability Works

Below are the laws on how the ability works. Add any more rules I've missed.

  1. You can only use this power in black and white flashbacks.
    • Subsequently, this power hasn't been used in at least 15 years.
  2. After using this ability you will be shot and killed.
  3. If Noah Bennet is alive, he will kill you.
  4. If you have a daughter she will grow up to be crazy and attempt to kill any Bennets or Petrellis she encounters.
  5. If you use the ability, the audience will never learn your first name.
  6. You can only use this ability on humans without abilities.
  7. You will only appear once.

--mc_hammark 17:48, 3 February 2010 (EST)

  • Lol-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:50, 3 February 2010 (EST)
    • The writers have to think of new abilities. I mean, three flashbacks and each person has the same power. Maybe they like the effects of the ability in black and white, I don't know, but they need to change that.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:53, 3 February 2010 (EST)
      • Bet ya all the extra's are hoping when they go for the audition... "I hope it isn't seismic burst; I hope it isn't seismic burst"... --mc_hammark 17:58, 3 February 2010 (EST)
        • Am I the only person who thought the Repairman DIDN'T have Seismic burst? He seemed to throw the energy at Noah, when Angela's Dad used it, it just came out of his hand. Food for thought. PowerSink 19:22, 3 February 2010 (EST)
          • Variations of the same ability?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:54, 3 February 2010 (EST)
            • The first time, I thought it was more like a generic energy blast, but then I remembered everything was black and white, so it was obviously seismic burst. Really, the writers are doing it on purpose now.--Referos 16:27, 5 February 2010 (EST)
              • Added a bit :P --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:49, 5 February 2010 (EST)
                • and I added a bit more --Skullman1392 20:13, 5 February 2010 (EST)