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Thte flashback was great. --BoomerDay 21:09, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah they were! I always like episodes like this they remind me of 6 months ago:)--Sylar Fan09 23:00, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

This episode honestly took me on an emotional thrill-ride. One of my favorites! :D --Skullman1392 06:37, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I loved this episode. The plot didn't advance very far, but there were so many tidbits and answers about why Angela acts the way she does. Plus, without this episode bringing the family together, we'd all be criticizing Peter and Claire for helping the rest of the family. They also raised a whole new set of questions as they answered some really old questions. This episode proves that "Cold Wars" could have been great, but it fell flat. This episode is a stand alone as well, but it had so much character development that you'd really be remiss to skip watching this one.--Mistyjo 12:38, 14 April 2009 (EDT)


I'm glade they explained it,I always wondered why socks:)--Sylar Fan09 22:11, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Took them over three volumes but they finally explained it! --Peter 22:13, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I seriously doubt they had that planned when the series started. -- Tristan0709 talk 22:18, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Right. That's called reconning. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2009 (ED
        • No. It's RETCONNING. :) --Arkillion 22:29, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
          • Yes, you're right. I forgot the T. Thanks. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Yeah, you were WRONG! :P Bloodbath 22:36, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
              • Why so rude? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:00, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
                • Do you know what ":P" means? Bloodbath 00:18, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • Why so serious? Dean 01:55, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Does anyone else also think Charles D.'s mystery ability now being revealed is also a part of this Retconning thing?--Anthony Gooch 23:36, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Yes. --Crazylicious 23:37, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • What about Sylar's hobbies, that he subconciously got it from his dad? Hmmm...can anyone else think of anymore of these retcons (is that how it would be said?) off the top of their head?--Anthony Gooch 23:44, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Anyone else figure where Arthur got his telepathy from? I think it was cool that Arthur could've gotten his telepathy from Deveaux. Even if it's not confirmed. --Dman dustin 00:36, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Lightbulb! I think I am going to start a retcon page. Tristan, I liked this episode, then again I like every episode. Dman, yeah I went ahead and assumed that.--Anthony Gooch 00:48, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • This episode was alright, I was talking about Villains. -- Tristan0709 talk 01:01, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I loved this episode, I loved Villains, and I loved the sock explanation! I guess I just love Heroes! --Mohinder613 (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
          • "Villains" was my favorite volume by far. I think it totally blew away season 1 and it's better than this current arch. I wish they had stretched it out a few episodes more as it felt a little rushed and this volume felt slow in the beginning, but there's that pesky hole between the Fall and Spring books. Season 1 was great and Season 2 tried to repeat it, but you can't do the same thing over and over and expect to continue to get the same result. We had grown to love our characters and weren't willing to sit through some more people discovering they were different. "Villains" tried to examine the evil in good people and the good in evil and what makes people choose one over the other. I think it was the most interesting concept they've tried and I'd love to see that idea continue with Sylar struggling to give his life meaning and Peter struggling to overcome his own demons. I'd really love to see them get together and try to work through some of those things together. This arch started to get good around "Exposed", but I like the more philosophical story lines than the political ones.--Mistyjo 12:56, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
            • Umm.....I think we are referring to the episode Villains, not the volume. -- Tristan0709 talk 02:50, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
            • It's not called Retconning when it makes sense, it's retconning when it doesn't. The nature of Tv writing everything can't be written in advance, so ideas mesh into each other as characters change and evolve. That's what TV writing is.--Nonredhead 21:22, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

What they did in this episode definitely was not retconning. Retconning would be to (hypothetically) portray Angela as having telekinesis in season one, then changing it to precognitive dreaming in season three with absolutely no explanation offered whatsoever. Changing previously established facts in fiction is retconning, not explaining as-of-yet unexplained things. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 18:54, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Who says "retconning" has to be a negative term? I've never thought of it as a negative thing--I've always thought of it as retroactively explaining why something is the way it is. Angela steals socks. We learn fifty episodes later that it's her way of remembering her sister. If "retconning" is a negative term, then this isn't retconning. It's simply explaining why she does what she does. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I never said it was a negative term... but that really is the actual definition of it. A more appropriate term for the story developments/explanations in 1961 would be "retrofitting"... though that term isn't actually used for fiction and stories, the definition fits perfectly: adding to or fitting something on something that has already been established. I'm just nitpicking the definitions here. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 21:03, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

New Abilities

Alice's (and Angela's) dad had an ability I haven't seen before. Like a shockwave. And what is Charles? Telepathy or did he copy it? --Peter 22:13, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah, Mr.Shaw's ability is not one we have seen. It is not Microwave Emission because it didn't fry the guard, and its not Sound Manipulation, since it didn't make any sound. --TraverseTown 22:19, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Yeah, Mr. Shaw showed up out of nowhere with a shockwave ability. That was pretty cool. From the looks of it, Charles ability was the exact same telepathy (+ mind control) that Matt uses, so we should probably just call him a telepath until we receive further information. I'm just glad Arthur didn't show up, because that would greatly mess up the graphic novel continuity.--Tim Thomason 22:20, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I was just thinking that. But where was Maury? And wasn't Linderman with Arthur? --BoomerDay 22:27, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Linderman didn't meet Arthur until they served in the Vietnam War together in 1968. By that point, Angela and Arthur were already married, and Nathan was born. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
      • But Liderman discovered his powers in Vietnam.......I knew this episode would create cotinuity errors......ugh. TomJs35713 22:33, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Actually Linderman discorvered his ability when he healed his mom's cancer (much before Vietnam). --Peter 22:35, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
          • But he didn't know that it was him healing her, did he? He just thought it was some medical miracle. TomJs35713 22:45, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I'm pretty sure he knew it was him. Reread Graphic Novel:War Buddies, Part 3 --Peter 22:48, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
              • There are no continuity issues with Linderman in this episode. At some point in the past, Linderman healed his mother. His parents were scared of him and kicked him out of the house. Some point later, prior to January 1961, he went to live in Coyote Sands. He went to Vietnam prior to November 1968, and helped form the Company in 1977. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:33, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
                • The only problem I have with Linderman in this episode is that he seems perfectly comfortable with his ability and who he is and he has friends who also have abilities. This somewhat contradicts how unsure of himself he was in War Buddies and how surprised he was to discover that Au Co was "like him". As if he'd never had any experiences with other "special" people. As far as facts and events go, there's no continuity error at all, just the emotional side of Linderman's backstory. Clay wise 15:47, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                  • See Talk:Daniel Linderman#Vietnam War/Coyote Sands for a similar thread you started. I never read that he was uncomfortable with his ability in War Buddies. In fact, I found him to be quite comfortable, telling Petrelli to relax and reassuring him that he's done this before. I only saw him expressing discomfort at torturing an innocent man, killing an innocent girl, and destroying an innocent village. And why wouldn't he be surprised to learn that Au Co was like him? They weren't expecting to find a little girl--they thought "Au Co" was the name of the village, not the girl! Of course he was surprised to learn that she had an ability. But that doesn't mean he'd never met another evolved human, not at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:18, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
                    • Good point. Hadn't thought of it that way. Clay wise 16:30, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I just realized, telepathy fits since it would of let Charles see Peter during his 'dream' at the end of volume 1, not to mention how he knew about the dream where they flew. --PeterDawson 00:56, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Shockwave emission (Mr. Shaw, Bart ScottAssignment tracker map”, Unknown male 7 “I Am Become Death”): The ability to repel objects away from one's self -- Mike the Man-child!

  • Seismic Blast/Shockwave propulsion maybe rather than shockwave emission. i dont understand why 'something-emission' is used incorrectly for so many abilities, it only makes sense for gases and electromagnetic radiation (like, you can't emit oil, its liquid.) --Lolwut 08:47, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually you can emit oils (emit= to send forth (liquid, light, heat, sound, particles, etc.); discharge. - Random House Dictionary) --Peter 11:11, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Fair play. ;) --Lolwut 12:07, 14 April 2009 (EDT)


Just a few notes about how we should be linking things when it comes to character summaries and other prose with content from this episode. Angela should only be referred to as Angela Petrelli for events in the present. In the past she was Angela Shaw, or just Angela. When referring to the episode, it's best to use [[Episode:1961|1961]] which will link to 1961. When referring to the year, it's best to use [[1961 (year)|1961]] which will link to 1961. Thanks, everybody! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't think 1961 should redirect to the episode page. As I recall Admin saying, when an episode/GN name conflicts with a time/place/event/anything name, it is the time/place/event/anything who gets the name as the title, and there's no need for any parenthetical note since the episode of the same name would be in the Episode namespace. --Radicell 03:47, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Normally, I would agree. However, there is no article called "1961" (like there is a place called Building 26). 1961 (year) redirects to a section of Timeline:Pre-eclipse, not to its own article. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:27, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Lead Image

I was thinking the picture should be one of Linderman, Bishop, Charles and Angela all together. Maybe outside Angela and Alice's "cabin" or in the cafe. --Peter 22:27, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

The Company

So this episode actually revealed that Angela, Charles, Linderman and Bob formed the Company, not Adam. Gee, all this while I thought that adam brought them all together.--ExiledPrince 00:42, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Well who knows, maybe at this time Adam, Arthur, Kaito, Harry, Carlos, Paula and the other chick (her name escapes me) all just met each other on the other side of the country and are thinking the same thing and the idea only comes to fruition when they all meet and find they have the same goal in mind...hopefully tomorrow's gn will be a helpful filler.--Anthony Gooch 00:58, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • They didn't form the company yet. Angela said she had a dream where in the future they'll form a company. This is just where a few of the founding members met.--Mistyjo 12:26, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 i agree with exiled, for an episode that tried to fill plotholes, this created one huge one about the company

  • What plotholes? Adam was not a member of the Company's founders. The Company wasn't founded until 1977, a full 16 years after this episode takes place. Angela doubled in age before the Company was founded. This episode didn't show the founding of the Company, it showed the meeting of some people who would found the Company later, and who simply met and became friends in this episode. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:12, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • IceGhost78 true i guess the viewers will now debate over what happens in that 16 yr span, but you are right i kind of overblew its definitely not one of the big ones

New characters and actors


Not many new characters, but a bunch of new actors. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

lawl young linderman was wierd O.o--Sly 22:33, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Donahue and Pauley aren't listed in the credits.--Gadfly 00:29, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Umm, IMO it would be better if someone put the pics with young characters, especially for Alice, since she appeared both young and old.--Altes 07:38, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

You gotcha. --Radicell 08:06, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

You know what? I and young Linderman look alike. A bit.--Altes 08:56, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

should the coyote sands chef be changed to arnold? --mc_hammark 15:32, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Great casting!

Did anyone feel that the casting for this episode was great? Young Chandra, Alice, Angela, Linderman, Bishop, Zimmerman, Deveaux looked at least 90% of their older selves. Their attitudes were also constant, Angela being the comforting kind of person, Linderman being arrogant, Bishop being a little quiet and Deveaux always speaking with that smile of his. --JLYK 13:52, 13 April 2009 (EST)

Very much so. The acting for this episode seemed at a much higher standard than past episodes, and everything was believable. Perhaps Heroes episodes should all be Angela focused :p. Dean 01:59, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
I agree, I particulary liked Edwin Hodge's portrayal of Charles, it was so convincing. But Young Zimmerman didn't do much did he? I actually expected him to be more invovled in this episode.--ExiledPrince 03:47, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I loved how Young Chandra's actor matched the acting style of Sendhil. And Edwin Hodge and yound linderman were great. Shame we didn't see more of Zimmerman though...Was hoping we could see a the German as a baby lol ^^--Drwho113 08:28, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree about the phenominal casting job, but little Bobby was disappointing... I wish we had seen more of him... :'( --Skullman1392 17:48, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I don't think Bobby's casting was disappointing, but I agree I could have seen more of him. I liked young Bob. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • ^Thats what I meant --Skullman1392 20:08, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Operation Icarus?

What happened to Operation Icarus in this episode? I expected them to at least explain what Operation Icarus was all about.--ExiledPrince 03:57, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think they explained it well enough. Suresh was trying to help them find a formula that would take away their abilities. The government had found out about people with abilities and had made a concentration camp of sorts for them. I think the mystery is how much ill will played a part in this and how much was just unfortunate circumstance, but we did find out what Operation Icarus and Coyote Sands were about, at least in the eyes of Angela and her sister.--Mistyjo 12:23, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • The way I saw it, the government didn't do anything wrong. Angela just had a dream of Alice f***ing everything up with her weather power. Sonixunite 23:12, 15 April 2009


When did Sylar shake Nathan's hand to get his shape?--Juba 05:11, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Been wondering that too. Either Sylar can now shapeshift without touching people or maybe Danko has like Nathan's DNA sample and Sylar touched it.--ExiledPrince 05:15, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • You tell me how he shapeshifts into Virginia in next episode... Guess physical contact isn't needed. --Altes 07:39, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • How d'you know he will shapeshift to Mommy Gray next episode? Maybe he gets high and starts hallucinating.--ExiledPrince 07:46, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • i actually love that idea.... (~_^)b --Lolwut 08:43, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • How do you know he gets high? ;) --Altes 08:55, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Actually I don't. The world of Heroes is just full of surprises, you never know what the writers will come up with to make Mommy Gray appear. But I think Sylar getting high or similar is a good idea.--ExiledPrince 09:26, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
          • EXACTLY! Matt! He can induce this hallucination in Sylar's head to distract him... But... Nothing suggests that.--Altes 12:10, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
      • So how do you know what Sylar does next episode? Is this speculation/theory or spoilers? Also, can Sylar even get high with regen? (just like Claire not getting drunk) --Denali 10:13, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

He could have touched him in the past. Like he touched his mother in the past, which would explain that. No where it says he has to change to the last person he touched or it had to be before he gained the ability. Now would be the time to rewatch all the old episodes to see if sylar touches nathan at any point.--345tom 11:20, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • No, he couldn't touch Nathan in the past. Otherwise Nathan would be without his brain long ago. --Altes 12:07, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • "My hands.....they are so awesome! i can like....shoot lightning!" sylar, after about 15 joints - that would be a good plot device imo --Lolwut 12:09, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Plus, touching Nathan (or anybody) doesn't mean anything until your ability manifests (or, in Sylar's case, stealing the ability). If Peter's EM hadn't manifested and he met an evolved human it doesn't mean that when his EM did manifest he could use that person's ability. --Peter 12:24, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar understands exactly how the ability works, he just doesn´t need to touch nobody.--Cortez 23:54, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

I think he uses his toothbrush (which i find very gross)...he's holding a toothbrush in the new promo and says "I can be anyone"--Anthony Gooch 20:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

This episode was filler...of plot holes!

This episode did a nice job of filling in old plot holes, advancing the plot, and ending with a nice cliffhanger. Woot :3 --DarkPhoenix 10:58, 14 April 2009 (EDT)


Possible new archnemy? --IronyUTC CH 12:24, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • It does seem very likely. -- Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:30, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

no adam

IceGhost78 what is this bull

yeah i think of that too , but im suere he will appear in episode 1977 if there is ever one

  • Who says Adam wasn't at Coyote Sands? We met Angela's circle of friends in this episode. I would think it'd be weird for a 16-year-old girl to be befriended by a creepy adult male. I love Adam's character, but for the sake of the story, I'm glad we didn't see him. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
  • IceGhost78 i thought it would have been cool if at the end of flashback, when angela and the three amigos are at the table talking about company, adam walks into the restaurant and tells them about a project or something
    • Adam is 300+ years old, btw. Sonixunite 23:12, 15 April 2009
      • Well, adam was at coyote sands after all! --mc_hammark 15:35, 24 December 2009 (EST)


Wow they really did a number on his mind, he went back on his research to find the first of "Them", only after he had seen and tested a lot of evolved humans before he tested Sylar(or Patient Zero as he was called at the time). How frustrating it would be if he knew the truth. One thing that still bothers me is that Chandra had the same theory about evolved humans existence the second time around, I know he studied genetics a lot, but still it seems to be a stretch. --Sylar Fan09 23:02, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

  • The second time around, he was researching a cure for the virus that killed his daughter... a virus that only effected certain people. Why wouldn't he begin researching the same thing twice, especially when his own daughter had the genetic mutation?--Mistyjo 00:38, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Well as I saw it, Angela made he point by saying (twice) "...we erased memories...". So either by a new byproduct of telepathy curtiosy of Charlie Deveaux or one of the other specials at Coyote Sands, they erased most of their memories to hide themselves like they said they would. Chandra was one of these erased memories and later he just unknowingly, re-founded his studies with the start of Patient Zero...did anyone else get this message out of that or should I just be a writer? lol--Anthony Gooch 00:48, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I also got the same message. --Janrodrigo 04:57, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
        • All I meant was I found it strange that he would come across evolved humans again. And Mistyjo bringing up Shanti was a great point:) I still wonder if Chandra knew that the virus only infected evolved humans, and if he knew his own daughter was one of them (both points were sure implied a lot in the series).The only thing is if he knew Shanti was a evolved human why wasn't she deemed Patient Zero? Instead of Gabriel Gray which clearly Chandra would know Shanti before Sylar, and it would be more appropriate for her to have the tile(if she truly was a evolved human). I think like everyone else Charles Deveaux erased everyone's mind of the events of Coyote Sands.--Sylar Fan09 21:32, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Hey, did someone else notice that Chandra is much older than we thought? Erick Avari is younger than Cristine Rose. And than Malcolm McDowell, Richard Roundtree and Stephen Tobolowsky, for that matter. Yet, in this chapter, we learn that Chandra was at least in his thirties when Angela was sixteen! Suppose he was thirty; he would have been 75 years old in 2006! He would have had his youngest son at 41! (I take Chandra was at least thirty because I believe that it would take time to someone Indian to achieve an important position as a doctor in a secret American operation.) It's just me or Chandra is into botox? --Scarlet Girl 13:00, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

    • Here's a question; why did Chandra not use the boxes which he had in the lockup which the super told Mohinder about, to find the specials. It seems quite silly to have those tapes and files there but not use them in your search. Or maybe he did. And the map Mohinder made, what would it look like if joined with the first one, just in case it makes some sort of symbol or something, like the helix?--Mc hammark 13:33, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Mohinder states that the files he found have been heavily censored. So mohinder didn't know what project icarus was until he got to coyote sands and everyone filled him in.

"Home is not where you live, but where they understand you."

Did anyone catch that in Angela and Alice's room? I thought it was a nice touch to the fake friendliness of the camp.--Riddler 02:35, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Hence when Echo was put on Level 5, Angela said "Welcome home" cause the company understands his ability. --Mc hammark 05:20, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

I dont get it

  • i liked this episode i dont why people are saying this was bad episode --Cj31094 21:27, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I agree with you. I think it was a great episode. And it hade some very fun scence. Like when Nathan leans against the bookshlef (or whatever it is) when he's with HGR and Claire. It looks so stupid when he's trying to be cool...But like I said: It was a great episode which answered a lot of questions. Sure, it didn't have a lot of action. But hey, that's not always needed to make a great tension in the plot. Great cred to the writers who seems to be on track again, great work you guys!--Tacroy 08:24, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • exactly --Cj31094 19:32, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Angela, Smiling?

Anyone else noticed, angela was smiling when sylar was on tv as nathan? She is happy for this? Anyone else feels like this? WaterRatj 22:37, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah I noticed that too. I was even waiting for her to make a smart remark. --OutbackZack 22:41, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • great :D, then i don't see ghosts :p, wonder whats she has in mind with sylar WaterRatj
      • Sometimes she smiles not because she's happy, but because she's nervous. She smiled at Claire as Sylar was telling her to shoot her, then her face changed when Claire cocked the gun. Maybe she was smiling at the irony of it all or because she had dreamed about it. Maybe she's just impressed with Sylar. I think Angela often smiles when she should be freaking out. It's part of her character. I love it when she does it, it gives the impression she's all knowing... and maybe she is.--Mistyjo 23:44, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
        • we shall see :D, she plays well in any episode :D, just love her character
          • I noticed that too, and it seems kind of weird when everyone's face was like "Oh shit, Sylar!" then Angela was like "Sylar LOL that's so funny". I think she smiled as that's her character. -- JLYK
            • Oh shit LOL! --Altes 02:59, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Did you feel the tension?

  • Was it just me or was there some kind of tension going on between young Angela and young Linderman, and also between her and young Charles--Tacroy 08:26, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Between her and charles yes, between her and linderman, no WaterRatj 20:05, 17 April 2009 (EDT)


  • sign here if you think this episode was awesome
    • sing? No I'd rather sign. LOL.--ExiledPrince 21:25, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
  • --Cj31094 16:10, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Young Angela and Redemption

Did anyone else think the actress playing Young Angela was really good? To me it was clear she'd watched lots of Heroes in the past and had been practicing aping Angela's movements and facial quirks - the way she put her hands on Alice's knees when she sat down, the leaning in and the slightly odd smile that Angela has... it was a really impressive display of acting, the most believable 'flashback younger version' so far in my opinion. (certainly better than young 'nothing like him' Kaito, heh) On a similar note, Bob was really convincing too.

Also, please don't respond to this with any spoilers, but I got a vibe in the last few minutes of the ep that the next volume, Redemption, will see the 'new company' that the Petrellis talked about come to fruition - somehow the Fugitive situation being resolved in exchange for a new Company run by, as Peter said, people who have clear moral compasses and are not hindered in their morals by the pain of Coyote Sands etc. Anyone else get the feeling that that's where the show is headed? It would certainly allow a new perspective - the 'Heroes' we grew to love in Season One now becoming the hunters that we hated then (remember when HRG was the most diabolical villain anyone could imagine?) and facing the moral qualms that that incurs. Still, we'll see. Like I said though, please don't reply with any spoilers - opinions only please :) Meadow 08:54, 18 April 2009 (EDT)


Why is the "infobox" moved on the left of the screen? It's ugly, but I don't know how to fix it.--Ikkian 13:13, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I left a message for Admin. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It still shows on the right side for me. Did you try clearing your browser cache and reloading the page? If that doesn't work, I would suggest trying a different browser just so you can eliminate the possibility that you inadvertently altered one of the settings on your normal one.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, it seems to have worked. Why haven't I thought about that? Thanks. :P --Ikkian 14:31, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

President Nathan? (again)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could've sworn I heard Sylarnathan say 'bring change to the White House' during his speech. Is this Sylar attempting to run for President? He did it in the explosion future, of course. If such a clear statement as 'bring much-needed change to the White House' (particularly post-Obama) is clearly audible, I think the article should indicate at least that the White House is mentioned. Meadow 17:12, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Changes to the White House doesn't mean he's running for presidency, it could mean that he's going to work closer to the president. I think someone changed Sylar's page to say that, I think it should be reverted not? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:48, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • The page about the White House is not just about the President, and not just about the building. If the White House is mentioned, it should be noted on the article about the White House. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Black/White vs. Colour

I thought it was a great episode. but do you think the flashbacks would've been better in colour or black and white. i think the scenes were more effective in black and white, your opinions??? --Scorvi12 06:58, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree, even though this is the third time we've seen black and white flashbacks, it def hasn't lost its effect. love it! :D --Skullman1392 19:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)