Talk:Sylar/Archive 3

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Sylar will do good...

I think that Sylar (or Gabriel nowadays) will do some good. I base this on the scene with his mom. It showed compassion and warmth that bad guys don't really have traditionally. He draws stuff with her blood after killing her of course, but still. Also I wreckon it will be like a Darth Vadar moment, where before dieing he will destroy some other evil. --SomeoneImportant 20:38, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

• Yeah... sure. He promised something like that to Alejandro. ;) --BloodyFox, 15:33, 9 Nov. 2007 (CEST)

I think we all hoped for him to do good, he has so much potential if he just resists his "hunger"--Autobot2 10:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

• Yes. I agree. We've seen him do this before, and he got so far. I'm sure he can do this again. Besides, we've already seen that he's capable of doing good in "I Am Sylar" when he sets Micah free, and that was after he returned to evil, so there's definitely a hint of good in him. --Spexile 20:09, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Illusion

OK, I haven't actually seen the incident, but I've read that Sylar attempted to steal Illusion from Candice. Apparently he didn't get it, whether due to damaging her brain when he killed her or some other factor (like her deceiving him into attacking an illusion instead of her true self) is unclear, and I'm further from knowing what happened than most of us. If anyone wants to try to clarify the incident... --Ted C 09:50, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

• I think the implication we're supposed to get is that at the moment, for reasons unclear, Sylar can't use ANY of his powers... From what we could see, he took Candice's brain and did his usual power-stealing thing, but he is unable to use Candice's power because he can't use any powers right now... Now, if he should ever be able to access his powers again, he will most likely be able to access Candice's power of illusion. I don't think his inability to use the ability is tied to how he took Candice's power, or her using illusion... it's simply the same thing that's stopping him from accessing his other powers (as I believe that Sylar hasn't lost the abilities; he just can't access them). Bohrok Awakener 13:19, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • That is almost certainly correct. But just to reiterate, we can't confirm that he successfully stole Candice's ability until we see him use it. The possibility exists, however slim, that he has lost the ability to take powers permanently, that because he did not have access to his powers when he killed her he now cannot gain her ability, or that he will never regain access to any of his abilities. Because of that, all we can say for now is that he tried to take her ability.--Hardvice (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Is there final conclusion on if Sylar's Intuitive Aptitude is still working? Are all his powers gone, or can he just not access them? I mean, if his Intuitive Aptitude isn't working, then would he still have been able to take Candices ability in the first place? Sigh, this is why they need to be clearer on how he obtains the powers. If everyone's power is different, one can assume he needs to use his Intuitive Aptitude to see how it works in the brain, then duplicate it. If it's not working, he can't duplicate the power. On the other hand, he might just be so used to it now, that he doesn't need to tap in to his ability...Confusing, no?Felixdakat (talk) 04:32, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
      • It seems likely that he sees how it works. Because he was under the impression that he had taken the power from her. He tried to use it, but failed. If he hadn't been able to understand it, he would have probably not tried to use it and would have been able to realize that he wasn't able to understand anything from her brain.Timiswatchingyou 17:19, 24 November 2007 (EST)
        • My theory on that whole thing was as follows - Peter had his powers suppressed by taking the "Haitian Pills" daily in his cell. I'm pretty sure Candice worked for the company, so she might have had access to them and been giving them to Sylar. He could have wised up to them, but not enough to get his powers back yet. Perhaps when they wear off fully, he'll be able to use Illusions. PsymonM77 14:12, 28 November 2007

My Feelings

I really don't believe that Sylar is the one who is going to be the real bad guy in this season, but HRG will end up coming out as a bad guy. Maybe thats why he gets shot... Just my speculation. You never know. Dean Harper 23:40, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

What I'd like to see

When Sylar's got his abilities back I have one scene in mind I'd like to see: There is a close-up on Sylar and you see him lifting his finger, using his telekinesis. Than he's to say something like: "Yes... now it's all mine!" (and you here these ticking sounds). The camera-perspective now changes and you see Sylar is making lunch and he just opened a tin can with some beans in it ^^ --BloodyFox, 12:47, 10 Nov. 2007 (CEST)

• I wonder if it's possible to telekinetically spread butter on waffles?--Hardvice (talk) 06:51, 10 November 2007 (EST)
  • I'd go with magerine, I guess it's easier to spread this on waffles than butter. --BloodyFox, 12:58, 10 Nov. 2007 (CEST)
  • I'd like to see Adam and Sylar team up. now that would be awesome. a spoiler from season three,Adam is supose to met a new friend

Levitation

Sylar managed to sneak up on Dale Smither without being heard even when she had enhanced hearing. Sylar says there were no footsteps which would point to the use of levitation. Perhaps this is another usage of Telekinesis or maybe another power... Dave 20:02, 13 November 2007 (GMT)

• I think they were intending on us believeing that he was just hovering himself around using telekinesis.--.Vault 10:24, 22 November 2007 (EST)

User: Well I'm Not sure but in my friend's fan fiction(if you have any ideas drop'em on by,or search for Nikko and check user to find out about the main protaginist.)we created a guy with the ability of levitation,but he could be using flight remember it's unknown were he go it from in explosion future.--Radiowarm2 18:54, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

A question

What would happen if Sylar took Mayas ability and Peter came into contact with Alejandro and absorbed his? IIRC Sylar doesn't know Alejandro has a power so he may not kill him. Or what If Sylar and Peter ended up having both powers? Would they be able to have total control over both powers? Meatydoughnut 16:15, 22 November 2007 (EST)

• Sylar does know about Alejandro's power. After first seeing Maya, he says something like "you both have powers" or something like that. --SomeoneImportant 18:42, 22 November 2007 (EST)
  • That's right. Peter would probably be able to negate Sylar's stolen ability if he held his hand.--Ice Vision 21:11, 22 November 2007 (EST)
    • I Can't see Sylar being that happy to hold Peters hand, can you???--rikku4president 21:42, 23 Feruary 2008 (EST)
• Sylar definitely knows Alejandro and Maya both have powers. Furthermore, he has made it very clear to Alejandro (who apparently doesn't speak English that well) that he intends to kill them both when he regains his abilities: I know you don't understand me, but I want to tell you why I'm helping you. It's that delicious power. You see, when I get my ability back, I'm going to kill you. And your sister. And I'm going to take it all. Timiswatchingyou 17:14, 24 November 2007 (EST)
  • I didn't get that Sylar knows Alejandro has an ability at all. Sure, it may be true, but the above statement could just as easily be talking about killing both of them and taking just Maya's power. That's how I understood it when I heard it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • Like SomeoneImportant said, Sylar said "you both have power" after the whole Derek-ratted-them-out incident.--Ice Vision 17:53, 24 November 2007 (EST)
      • Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2007 (EST)
    • He didn't take Alejandro's power because it would suppress Maya's power if he tried to use it.
      • Not really, he didn't take it cause it was useless, he knew Maya's ability worked both ways, so while Alejandro had an ability, it was something he knew he would be able to do with Maya's power, but until he got rid of the virus, no new powers for him, so Alejandro was pretty much disposable for him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:40, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Hiding in plain sight

I wonder if this is a power that should be added, as it seems he has used it at least twice. When he was a Primatech prisoner, he was able to be "invisible" in his cell when Noah came in and found the dead tech. And at the deserted Kirby Plaza, Peter expressly notes that Sylar may be "hiding in plain sight."

PaulP 11:47, 26 November 2007 (EST)

• Hey, PaulP. The explanation for that could range from dramatic effect to Sylar using telekinesis to remain somewhere close but out of sight (perhaps stuck to the ceiling of his cell like he did to Mohinder in his apartment). In any event before it could be called a power there would have to be concrete proof (i.e. We'd have to directly observe him executing the ability). Also do bare in mind that when Sylar attacked Peter in Mohinder's apartment Peter turned invisible and Sylar remarked that he couldn't wait to try out that power, so it doesn't look like he has any specific invisibility power quite yet. (Admin 11:55, 26 November 2007 (EST))
  • Good points! What I think Sylar may have, though, is not so much invisibility as an ability not to be seen, but you're right that there is no direct evidence of that, as opposed to, say, an ability to TK himself out of sight lines, like West does. Then again, I don't think there is any direct evidence of "electromagnetism," either, but that's a whole other debate! PaulP 13:15, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • An ability to not be seen, that isn't invisibility? sounds like SEP --Max 20:20, 14 December 2008 (EST)
• It could be that Sylar has an ability that makes him 2-D so that people cannot see him unless at a certain angle. --Mc hammark 09:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Full Name?

I know everyone knows him as Sylar but just looking around the sight everyone has a full name and i was just wondering why we had Sylar instead of Gabriel Gray? I think we should have him named Gabriel Gray and under nicknames have it be Sylar... i think its just better fit for a website looking more professional each day.

• We name (most) articles by what the role is credited as. Zachary Quinto is credited as Sylar, thus this article is named Sylar. Also, even though his real name is Gabriel, he calls himself Sylar, another reason for this article name. Same with Niki, who's full name is Nicole, and DL, who's full name is Daniel Laurence. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 14:08, 1 December 2007 (EST)
  • Or "Eden McCain", whose real name is Sarah Ellis. To clarify, though, it's less to do with how they're credited and more to do with what name they use or are best known by--particularly since only guest stars are credited with a character's name. See Help:Naming conventions.--Hardvice (talk) 14:13, 1 December 2007 (EST)
• Sylar will always be "Sylar."--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 09:23, 6 December 2008 (EST)
• Considering Virginia wasn't his biological mother and "Gray" is his adoptive surname, it's probably no better to use than "Sylar" at this point. Still, I agree with Gaarmyvet. Revengeance 09:31, 28 January 2009 (EST)
• 'Gray' is also his biological last name. He was adopted by his uncle. --Syl ar 19:04, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Power To Heal?

At the end of episode Powerless, Sylar is injected with the cure for the disease. This same cure was injected into Maya, and her gun wound healed due to Claire's blood being in the cure. So, does Sylar now have the ability to heal himself like Claire? - Haro 09:55, 4 December 2007 (EST)

• No, just like Nathan and Noah don't. He has to examine the brain of the person to see how it "ticks" remember. I'm guessing the reason the blood works is because after the Claire blood has circulated a few times the blood cells begin to die and are replaced with normal ones. --SomeoneImportant 14:25, 4 December 2007 (EST)

• Nathan several months after he was injected with adam's blood he did not heal after he got shot. so this idecates that Noah,,Sylar and Nathan don't have Claire's power. i go with what someoneimportant said.

Like father, like son...

I just got back from the post office with my four-year-old. He said, "Dad, I love getting the mail." (?) I said, "Well, who doesn't?" He thought a moment and said, "Sylar." (??) I'm so proud. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2008 (EST)

• Baha, raisin' 'em well, I see. -- Lulu (talk) 17:32, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Angela Petrelli

Is it certain that Angela Petrelli is Gabriel Gray's biological mother? -Lөvөl 02:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

• As sure that Virginia Gray was his mother initially. I would say that Angela being Sylar's mother is more in line with what was stated from spoilers about a main character being adopted, and that he/she is related to another main character. --Bob (talk) 02:23, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I would wait before we commit to this being a biological relationship. Surely it will be discussed in more detail as the season progresses. At present, it's not clear whether Angela's claim to be Sylar's mother is literal or figurative. --Ted C 21:36, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
• Perhaps Angela will allow Sylar to Kill in exchange for his help, in turn making him the most powerful hero. --Retroarcade 14:35, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Based on the preview from the clip show, it looks like we could get an answer to this question next week.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Loss of powers?

I don't have the exact quote, but before Claire beans Sylar over the head with a trophy, he mentions that the virus caused him to lose all his previously-acquired powers, and that he'll restart his collection by adding Claire. The fact that he doesn't use any abilities other than telekinesis while apprehending Claire, even though they would have made it easier, seems to support that. He also doesn't use them when killing the Company agents that assault him on the street, or during his attack on Level Five. He probably would have if he could, seeing as freezing Elle before killing her would have prevented her from fighting back and thus kept him from getting recaptured.

As for why he still has telekinesis, that goes back to when he was first in Company custody and they said they could only find indications of telekinesis- somehow, that ability is hard-wired into his body the same way that his intuitive aptitude (or any other character's natural abilities) is, and it wasn't removed when the virus permanently disabled all his ill-gotten abilities. Either way, I'm pretty sure he specifically mentions losing his previously acquired abilities, and that much is clearer then his relationship with Angela Petrelli. Shouldn't the fact that he can't access any powers other than intuitive aptitude, telekinesis, regeneration and alchemy be noted under his "Powers" category? --Goji 06:29, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

• In as few words as possible, no. That's not what he said at all. From the episode, Sylar tells Claire in the scene you're referencing, "Here I am, fully recovered. Well, not fully. That's actually why I've come.....I want what you have, Claire. I want your power." There's a whole lot of nothing until he taunts her while she's in the closet. "You see, I lost everything that made me special. Lost, but now found. There's a shopping list of abilities here, but I'm going to start with the best, and once I have yours (stab)." Then he pins and dissects her, but no word of Sylar's ability/abilites. "Lost, but now found" would imply that he recovered all of his "lost" abilities when he took the cure for the Shanti virus, which would mean this page is where it should be, or better yet, where intuitive aptitude should be, since this page is about the character, not his ability.--Bob (talk) 07:16, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Actually, I was under the impression that he needed Claire's power to regain his other powers...the reason I say this is it seems similar to how Peter used his healing ability to repair his memory. Surely since Peter healing his memory allowed him to remember what powers he had, maybe Sylar needed to do something similar.OUChevelleSS 00:17, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Sylar lost all his powers. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281.--Referos 21:11, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • If you read these chat transcripts with the writers you can see, that these guys make a lot of jokes. But I still tend to agree, that they were serious about this one. And if Sylar doesn't start using his other powers within the next couple of episodes, I would suggest to integrate this into the article as canon instead of just making it a sidenote.-- Spielor 21:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
        • As of the latest episode, I am become death, the future Sylar was able to paint the future and use Induced radioactivity. It appears he has all of his abilities, despite the shanti virus.
          • I read somewhere that he re-acquired induced radioactivity and precognition at some point in the future, and that he did lose his abilities (except telekinesis). --WeatherWitch 15:48, 2 November 2008 (EST)
• I really don't see how that's meant to make sense, especially since we've seen future sylar use his aquired abilities, also was he not using Enhanced Hearing when evesdropping on Bennet asking Canfield to kill him?Ehsteve23 04:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
• Canon (TV series) trumps semi-canon (graphic novels), but it's still worth noting that Sylar appeared to burn a man to death with induced radioactivity in a recent graphic novel.Varthonai 05:00 PM, 12 November 2008
• I think the ability used to destroy the man in the graphic novel was his newly acquired Sound Manipulation, and he wasn't using Enhanced Hearing because we would have been able to tell. I think he was using Intuitive Aptitude to work out what HRG wanted Canfield to do. --WeatherWitch 13:04, 13 November 2008 (EST)
• It looks much more like induced radioactivity, but it hasn't been confirmed either way, he couldn't use enhanced hearing cause he doesn't have it anymore, and Sylar has been shown to be smart enough to figure things out, no need of powers to connect the dots on what Bennet wanted Canfield to do. Intuitive Empath 15:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
• Unless his future self met two more evolved humans with pregognitive painting and induced radioactivity he can use all of his abilities once again, Telekinesis is just a power, it isn't hardwired into him. He may not have used freezing to subdue Elle in The Butterfly Effect because he was excited at the prospect of a new power and it didn't cross his mind. --12redref 12:16, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Inability to steal a power.

Should it be noted somewhere that once a body is dead, Sylar can't take an ability? The first example of Eden I'm sure is noted somewhere, but the more recent one of Bianca Karina isn't specified. He killed her first, then realized Gael was lying, then couldn't take Bianca's ability. Due to this, I removed the Alejandro "it is unsure if he went back" note. Thoughts?--Riddler 17:52, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

• I think this should go on the ability theft page, not this one. It's more pertinent to that article versus this, which is focused on the character.--Bob (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Peter Petrelli and Sylar

• So I was just thinking about this yesterday while watching the new episode One of Us, One of Them, what would happen if Sylar(Gabriel Gray) took Peter's powers? Would Sylar gain all the powers Peter has? Or would he just explode with having the same power?--Heroics
  • I think he would just gain Empathic Mimicry.Also, Sylar's power is not the same as Peter's.Sylar's power is Intuitive aptitude while Peter's power is Empathic MimicrySPARTAN-077 18:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
    • But remember when Sylar and Peter were fighting in one of the episodes of season 1 (forgot which one, but Mohinder was pinned to the ceiling in the scene) and when Peter turns invisible, Sylar says: "Interesting, I can't wait to try that one out." TheEvilNoob 17:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • From his method of stealing powers he would only get Peter's original power, however because on Claire's power peter would still be alive and so there for sylar would gain the same powers as peter but throught Empathic Mimicry rather than from him taking peters power with Intuitive aptitude. as for exploding from having the same power, not likly. peter has been in contact with his past/future self and has not exploded from the paradoxFishy 15:51, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
• Empaths cannot steal Empaths powers, the writers said so. --Max 20:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Peter has to think about claire to heal when Sylar beheads your dead without natural rapid cell regeneration so how could peter think if he's dead?--Radiowarm2 19:13, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Can Sylar take the powers of the dead?

I would think he couldn't, as Eden kills herself to stop him from taking hers. However, I don't think it was ever confirmed that he didn't end up getting her power (HRG says he has a 'silver tongue,' and also tells Hank that Sylar deserves to die for what he did to her (and I can't see him meaning simply pulling her through the glass window)). More importantly, Brian Davis' page says:

"Gray (as Sylar) then hits Brian over the head with a large crystal formation, killing him. It is unknown exactly what Gabriel does with Brian's body, or whether his brain is removed or not. However, Gabriel suddenly has the power of telekinesis after his altercation with Brian."

That would mean that Brian was dead, not dying (or is awkwardly phrased, meaning that it was the cause of his eventual death) before Sylar extracted his power, which implies that the person doesn't have to be alive for Syalr to do so. Could all of this together be an indication that Sylar actually does have Eden's power?Stevehim 20:46, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

• Eden splatters her brain into pieces with her gun, so I doubt there was much to examine. However, Bianca only had a twisted neck and Sylar just left her for dead. I'm not sure what was up with that. It could mean that Sylar has to cut the person's head open while they're alive in order to take their ability, but I'm not sure. That clasping(gasping?) sound Sylar made when Angela dragged open his mouth sounded pretty scary...--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:51, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

• Sylar has always had a "silver tongue"- look at the long list of aliases listed for him. It's part of his intuitive aptitude; he understands how to work people, not just their organs. As for Brian Davis being dead when Sylar got telekinesis from him, Sylar not being able to take Bianca's power after she died can probably be considered a retcon of that since it's more recent. Eden's brain was destroyed, and I think it was stated clearly several places that Sylar did not and could not take her power. --Goji 01:53, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Lost powers

• The latest CBR confirmed something I didn't realize (and can't say I fully understand), but after his bout with the Shanti virus he lost all the powers he aquired except for telekinesis. So we need to decide on the best way to represent that in the article and in the infobox. Currently powers he lost are marked with an asterisk, but I'm not a big fan of that approach really. Any opinions on whether we clear the ones he's lost from the infobox or whether we strike them out instead? (Admin 22:48, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
• Known Abilities: The ones he has. Lost/Past/Former Abilities: One's he's lost. <- That maybe?--Riddler 23:02, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I'd go more or less thusly: H3: Acquired. H4: Lost, linking to a note reffering to CBR. H3: Failed Acquisitions.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
• Come to think of it, how does that make sense that he lost everything, but just happened to get his good ol' TK back? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't quite get it either, but maybe he instinctively knows how it works as he's used it so often?--Riddler 01:28, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Which is the part I don't understand either. :) Maybe a wizard did it. (Admin 01:30, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
      • I think you hit the nail on the head. :O--Riddler 01:32, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Cause Sylar ingrained telekinesis into his DNA somehow (at least that's my theory). Bennet commented in S1 that based on the Company's testing, they didn't know how he had use of any of his other abilities besides telekinesis. I like SVD's format, but I would lose the failed acquisitions section (isn't that an oxymoron?).--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:34, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Failed Attempts, maybe? Or Failed Attempts and Missed Opportunities (Eden and Bianca I'd considered missed.)--Riddler 01:36, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I don't think it needs to be in the infobox at all. It's in the article; the infobox should be concise which is why I'd advocate clearing them out entirely (or striking them out). (Admin 01:37, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
        • I think somewhere in this discussion we forgot that it was about the infobox. I did. :x--Riddler 01:39, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • That's ok, I forgot I mentioned the article and not just the infobox. :) (Admin 01:44, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
• but in this promo,future sylar can foresee?--我爱sylar大人! 01:52, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I don't want to watch any spoilers, but if it's for a future episode then it's always possible he takes the ability from someone else... we have a couple of living precogs left for Sylar to feed from. (Admin 02:06, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
• Are the answers given on CBR considered canon? I know it's the writers, but some of what they say is clearly in jest, and some seems to contradict the show (eg - Nobody is immortal, decapitation would kill them (and Sylar is messing with Claire's head), whereas Angela tells Noah Sylar can't be killed, and Sylar makes the same comment he made to Claire to HRG).Stevehim 22:34, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The content of the CBR responses are not canon. They are, at best, somewhat credible sources. The information from the writers (at CBR or in any interview, really) is good information that helps us be informed, but should not be considered official information. See Help:Sources for more information. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:51, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
    • In that case, should we really assume Sylar has lost his acquired powers (save TK) to the point of stating it all over his infobox?Stevehim 22:55, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Yes, I think Sylar implied it when he was talking with and operating on Claire in order to stop himself from bleeding to death. The BTE just confirmed it. Also, being a less credible source doesn't mean we disregard it to the point of not using it. We do note where the source came from; we only don't use something that came from the writers like that if there's conflicting information.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
        • No, we shouldn't print it all over the infobox. I definitely think we should use the information, but it belongs in the Notes section, as any information from interviews does. Right now it looks pretty stupid and confusing--there are stars all over the page that don't mean anything and don't have any explanation. And the infobox is not a place for quoting sources. The infobox should be returned to the way it was, and all explanations of Sylar's lost powers should be put in the Notes. We use the information, but we don't assume that it's canon just because it was said by some writers answering fan questions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Agreed. The information should appear under notes, but the bit under the powers section should be removed until it is confirmed by canon. Stevehim 23:36, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • It is canon that Sylar was not able to use his abilities while under the effects of the Shanti virus. We've known that since last season. Can we compromise and simply split the list of gained abilities to those before Shanti virus exposure, and those gained afterward? I don't think there's any speculation implied in doing so, and the interview information can remain in the notes section of the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Sylar having lost his abilities is confirmed canonically already, he said it in the episode. I, and possibly others, just assumed he meant temporarily, however the confirmation from the writers shows that he did lose them permanently. This isn't a case where we don't have a canon source for the info, it's a case where we DO have a canon source that was clarified through an interview. We have and should change the article to reflect that he currently does not have the abilities he obtained prior to contracting the virus. This means making some change to the infobox since it reflects the current state of a character. What that change is specifically is still to be determined. (Admin 23:47, 1 October 2008 (EDT))
          • I suppose that's true, although he did misspeak in the episode (assuming I correctly guessed the quote you meant). In The Second Coming he says: "You see I lost everything that made me special. Lost, but now found. There's a whole shopping list of abilities right here. But I'm gonna start with the best. And once I have yours..." The problem with that, is that he's actually not correct in that it discounts telekinesis, which he has regained and which definitely makes him special (indeed, that is the power he used to convince Chandra he was special), as well as his original power of IA. However, I guess it, coupled with the interview, is enough to warrant change. My main problem stems from how much to trust CBR overall, as the immortality comment seems to clearly contradict canon.Stevehim 00:07, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I think the information is great, and it should definitely be on the article. But there are a bunch of stars next to power names in the infobox, and even after having read the CBR article, I have no idea what they mean (though I'm sure I could take a minute to figure them out). Imagine what the lay reader must think. The infobox needs to be changed in a way that explains what we're talking about. And since the infobox is already so long, wouldn't it make sense to, at the very least, put links on the asterisks that jump to the note about the CBR comment...And the whole thing about telekinesis being retained is odd, and it we should make sure we're not speculating about it on this page (which I don't think we are). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:20, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
              • Indeed, that's why I suggested a compromise to split the gained powers list in the infobox to those before and after Shanti virus exposure. I don't see any speculation in that, we have a good reason to do so, and it would be clearer than just putting note-linked stars next to each ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:05, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
          • In The Second Coming, Sylar appears to display a chameleon/hiding in plain sight power. We see him walk across the kitchen behind Claire, and the camera (Claire's persepctive) immediately pans across to the corner he walked to, and he is not visible. Since we can't confirm he received the chameleon power we saw him take from the deleted episode in season 2 (and if he did, he'd have the superskin so he couldn't have been shot/stabbed), doesn't this mean that he either acquired something we don't know about (similar to the note about having 14 powers) or didn't really lose all of his powers permanently? The only other explanation I see being viable is he used TK to levitate to the ceiling, but Claire's peripheral vision should have picked thatup, so I find it very unlikely.Stevehim 01:22, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

can't he call the powers that he lost by doing it empathicly. (50000JH)

He's probably able to recall only abilities he acquired empathically. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:21, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Unknown powers

In Kirby Plaza, after Sylar is stabbed, he has flashes of events in his eyes that have thus far been classified as Precognition. These events all took place in the past (some in the distant past), so shouldn't this be another power, as precognition applies only to future events?

In The Second Coming, Sylar walks behind Claire to a corner of the kitchen. The camera (Claire's Perspective) pans immediately to that same corner, but Sylar is nowhere to be seen. If he was using TK to float to the ceiling, Claire's peripheral vision should have picked that up. It seems more likely he has some sort of chameleon ability, but we've been told he lost all his abilities from the first season (wasn't there an implied 'hiding in plain sight' ability in S1?) due to the Shanti virus, and the powers he gained in the deleted episode in Season 2 cannot be applied because: A. The episode was deleted and B. If he has that power, he'd have the superskin power, and HRG's bullets would probably not penetrate his skin.

Also, was he interferring with the phone in The Second Coming? If he'd simply cut the line, there wouldn't be static.

Sumup:

1. Are the flashes in his eyes at Kirby Plaza something other than precognition?
2. Does he have some chameleon power (and a power to disrupt electronic signals) and, if so, where did he get it?
3. Are these simply inconsistencies/mistakes in the show (and should we put them in the notes section)?
4. Are these indications that the writers are messing with us and he really does have all his powers?  ;) Stevehim 00:25, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

• 1. My thoughts: Precognition can see the past if it's being altered by a time traveler; 2a. no chameleon power, just simple TK hovering; 2b. no electronic power, he just pulled out the cord. She has a wireless handset so she got static; 3. no, best not to speculate; 4. no, Sylar flat out said he was starting over and the writers confirmed it.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
  • 1. Please clarify.
    
  • 2a. The ceiling was pretty low...you could almost see it in the shot.
    
  • 2b. Fair enough
    
  • 3. Ibid, though I still think they are at least inconsistencies or us being misled.
    
  • 4. I didn't feel Sylar's comments were that clear (for a number of reasons...saying he lost 'everything that made him sepcial' when he still has his most special ability, saying 'and here I am fully recovered...well, not fully..that's why I'm here, etc), but I'll accept that's the route they plan on going.  :) Stevehim 00:55, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
    • 1. Isaac foresaw that Hiro would visit the past. He was seeing Hiro's future, so that's ok.
    • 2a. Sylar moved pretty fast. It's supposed to be semi-dark so you can't see that much, and if the perspective isn't right you can blame the wizards: cinematographer/special effects (though myself, I thought they did a good enough job; you're just looking too closely ;)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:45, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
      • 1. But what about Sylar's eye visions of the past when he was stabbed? Shouldn't that fall under something other than Precognition (and be noted or changed from where it is now)?
      • 2. I am always willing to accept 'a wizard did it,' and would never call Heroes the worst...show...ever, so we're all good on that front (though I do still find TK'ing to the ceiling suspect).  :) Stevehim 05:28, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
        • 1. That's what I'm saying: Sylar's eye visions may not have been of the past. I can also accept that since that the effect was part of the end of the S1 finale, it was mainly for show.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:06, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
          • 1. But they were images of things Hiro would have no knowledge of and weren't around for, so it couldn't really be Hiro's future (unless you mean that because Hiro visited the past, everything after 1671 is the future?). Stevehim 19:37, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
• I think you're looking into this too much. Sylar's visions were basically his life flashing before his eyes, ever since he became Sylar, so the deaths of people were all he saw, since that was his new life. It was also supposed to be ironic. As for his disappearing act? I think that was just an effect meant to increase the tension of the scene. Like his altered voice in one episode... people thought it was persuasion, but it was just for aesthetics. And the phone line is most likely just a gaff. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Lost Abilities Note

It says under notes the following:

According to a response in the Sept. 30, 2008 Behind the Eclipse CBR Q&A, Sylar lost the previous abilities he had gained, except for intuitive aptitude and telekinesis, due to his exposure to the Shanti virus and had to start over in gaining other abilities. The lost abilities include freezing, enhanced memory, melting, enhanced hearing, precognition, and induced radioactivity.

That was just proved wrong with Sylar going nuclear over the death of his son. --Snow Leapord 21:36, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

• Who's to say he didn't reacquire it from another nuclear human?--Riddler 21:40, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
• It's also possible that at some point between present and four years later, he finds a way to restore his lost powers. It could still be possible that he's lost them in present time. --Goji 21:45, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
• While both of those are possible, I don't believe it for now. --Snow Leapord 21:46, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree ... Sylar not losing his powers is, in my opinion, the most non-speculative explanation we can come up with ... Aren't episodes canoner than interviews anyways ? --LeoChris 21:54, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree as well. Plus, what the producers/writers have stated in interviews have sometimes been inconsistent, anyway... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:44, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I've made the statement under "Acquired abilities" a bit more ambiguous for now. I, too, think he probably has all of his acquired powers, although he may be having trouble manifesting them for now. --Ted C 10:22, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It's possible that Claire's blood has overwritten any lingering effects of the virus and that we just haven't seen present Sylar using his other abilities --Matchu 05:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Or maybe, a specific formula helped him gain abilities he has lost... since it was given to the public.--Pbmarcano 15:30, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Perhaps Sylar will use his own power on him self, through concentretion, to regain his lost powers or maybe he just needs to think of the sensation he gained from each power he used to have. Halfbreed1426

Sylar not a half-brother

I just noticed on the Peter Petrelli (exposed future) article someone removed the half-brother notation beside Sylar. Has it been proved that he is not a half-brother anywhere?

It hasn't been proved that he is a half-brother, so I removed it anyway. There's no evidence that Angela had an affair - well at least one that brought Sylar into the world - so for now we can assume Sylar is a biological Petrelli. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:43, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

• We don't assume he's a Petrelli, we just note that he's a brother. Right now it doesn't matter if they're half brothers or not, they still share a mother. We just don't note that Angela had Gabriel with Arthur, because that's possibly not true.--Riddler 23:45, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Right, I kind of phrased that wrong.... But my point still stands, there's no proof that he's a half-brother, so that's why I removed it in the first place. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:46, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Also, Gabriel of the future pointedly mentions Brothers, which while not "proof" supports the theory. --Matchu 05:51, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
      • A NBC promo for next week's episode says Arthur Petrelli is the father of three heroes (Peter, Nathan, Sylar) [1] - Cael 14:01, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Arthur and Angela both lied to him: he confirmed this with Sue Landers powers but he really is adopted: Angela said that and Sylar's newest power confirmed it. She knew who his real parents are but now that he's dead, I suppose we'll never know.

IABD & "hunger"

Removed the bit relating the "hunger" from the episode summary; felt that it was more suited to the abilities page (which it's already on) --Matchu 12:44, 7 October 2008 (EDT)