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==Rename?==
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Okay, "Worse than the boogeyman" is, franky, silly. It woud be much more professional if it was something like "Man watching Molly" or "Molly's enemy" --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 17:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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*I agree. "Worse than the boogeyman" is ridiculous! It doesn't even convince the reader right away that the article is even about a '''person'''. "Man watching Molly" is MUCH better. -- [[User:Novajoe23|Novajoe23]] 18:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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*Are we sure it's a "man"? &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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**Molly calls the person "he", so I would assume the person is male.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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***''Male'' is not the same as ''man''. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 23:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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****That's a good point.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 11:46, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
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**"Man watching Molly" makes the guy sound like a pedophile...--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 18:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
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***"Man watching Molly" isn't accurate. She never said he was watching her, but that he could see her if she saw him. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 19:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
== Finally! ==
****How about something simple, like "New Villain" or "Mysterious Bad Man"?--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
* Finally we have a better name for him! ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 21:43, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
***** I think the current name is okay for now, but here's my suggestions: Molly's monster... or Monster (reflected clairvoyance).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
** Yeah it's Matt's dad. --[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 22:44, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
******Well, as long as we have sufficent redirects, because it took me a long time to find the article. The actual article could be something as simply as "He", or "Him", as long as it's referenced elsewhere and easy to find. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*** Anybody for changing this to "Mr. Parkman" since we don't have a first name yet? --[[User:Fcphantom|Fcphantom]] 23:24, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
******* There's also "Man who can see Molly" [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
**** Some candidate names I mentioned in an earlier section are: Matt Parkman's father, Nightmare Man, or Mr. Parkman. Don't particularly care for "Nightmare Man." I think Matt Parkman's father might be the best since Mr. Parkman is more ambiguous, though I think either would technically be acceptable. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:27, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
********How about Sauron? ;-) In all seriousness, "Man Who Can See Molly" is the best suggestion. It's more specific than "him" and doesn't sound silly like the current title.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 20:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
********* I added ''Man (reflected clairvoyance)'' and ''Man who can see Molly'' to the possible nominations. They both fit the form of additions we did as for the unnamed characters from walls. For that GN, we named them by their power (ie. [[Agent (electromagnetism)]] and [[Agent (enhanced speed)]]).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 21:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
***** I'd lean towards "Mr. Parkman" since it matches "Mr. Linderman" and "Mr. Petrelli". Plus, we have a name from the video game: "Maury Parkman". I think "Mr. Parkman" is the safe bet until that full name is revealed.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
****** Yes, I'll side with Mr. Parkman too, with Matt Parkman's father as a redirect (why not?).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
**********Yes, but, we don't really know if that's his power, so it would be speculation. --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 21:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*******Just found this discussion (it's harder to check every edit nowadays--curse the huge ''Heroes'' fan base!)...I've been linking [[Mr. Parkman]]; it just strikes my ear in a nicer way. Either is fine, though. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:05, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
*"Reflected Clairvoyance" would be sheer speculation. We can't use that.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*I'm still up in the air why Molly was trying to find Matt Parkman's father in the first place. She has had these images of the boggy man even before she met Matt for the second time. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 10:11, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
** What do you mean speculation? If he can see her when she is seeing him, that means he is reflecting her clairvoyance... but if you think there is speculation as to whether Molly is just imagining his power should we go with the "Man who might be able to see Molly"? Lets keep the current name then, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*** Just because he can see her doesn't mean he's reflecting her clairvoyance. He could have the power to into a giant rock, for all we know! --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 22:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
**** "He could have the power to into a giant rock". He could have what??? LOL, you lost me there...--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*Remember, Clairvoyance is only the term we gave it. Reflected Clairvoyance sounds odd anyway.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*My suggestion is "Being who can see Molly" as it's not clear that "Man" or "Monster" would be correct (especially given he is speculated to [[Uluru]], but it is not ''known''), but "who can see Molly" is the clearest way of signifying and identifying what we know about him. [[User:Alexwill|Alexwill]] 22:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
**That's the best suggestion I've heard so far. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 22:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)


== Alan Blumenfeld ==
How about we name him "Molly seer"? It's short, simple, and to the point.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:00, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
* That's nice and short, but can we trust Molly's description?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
** We don't have anyone else to trust, do we?--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 23:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*** Not yet, so that's why I prefer the current name. Describing him by an ability we don't know for certain is wrong, imho, unless we want to guess in which case we should be using proper nomenclature. His very existence is tied to believing it's not just a nightmare Molly has thought up. So if you want short and accurate, how about "Molly's greatest fear"?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:34, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*"Worse Than Sylar" would have been okay, but I absolutely prefer "Molly's Greatest Fear." --[[User:Voo|Voo]]
*Whatever name is chosen, I think an acronym should be made up right away, like how Noah Bennet was often referred to as HRG in the beginning. --[[User:Discar|Discar]]


Sorry, I'm new here, and don't know where to add this bit of trivia. My wife and I noticed that the actor who portrays Parkman's father also played Greg Grunberg's father on the television show Felicity. Is this something that could be added to the trivia section?--[[User:Wiredfu|Wiredfu]] 14:59, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
== Image ==
*Absolutely. That's a piece of trivia for the actor page, though, not the character page. When the page is written for [[Alan Blumenfeld]] (feel free to write it, if you want), that'll make a terrific piece of trivia. Welcome aboard! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:33, 16 October 2007 (EDT)


== Telepathic Illusion?? ==
I realize we haven't seen this guy yet. Would an image of Molly talking to Matt about him be appropriate for now? Or is the consensus to leave this without an image for now?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 20:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Is that his power? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/22/2007 21:30 (EST)</small>
* That would be misleading. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 20:36, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*It seems more like his power deals with nightmares, since Molly calls him the "Nightmare Man".--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 21:33, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
**Any images of Molly should be thumbnailed or go in a gallery, not in the infobox. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*His power is confirmed to be Telepathy by Mr. Parkman himself, his is just more advanced. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 21:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
**He could have lied to fool Matt into going into that separate room. He's not exactly the most honest of people.--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 22:02, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
*** Chandra had a file which listed the power "induced hallucination" which also might be appropriate based oh what hp did to Nathan and Matt. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/22/2007 22:03 (EST)</small>
**He could have been lying, sure, but it is pretty consistent with someone with an advanced form of telepathy (and led into showing Matt's powers developing to the point where he can project as well). Plus it is a canonical source wheras calling it anything else would be speculative. In the end we may just have to go with telepathy for now unless we find out differently. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:10, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
*** Agree. While it's certainly possible (perhaps even likely) that there's more going on than he's saying, for now we have his word for it and a demonstration of an ability that, even if it isn't really telepathy, is certainly telepathy-like enough to support his claim for now.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:01, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
*** Why not go for the obvious that isn't speculative, but also differentiates between him and Matt....'''Advanced Telepathy''' would fit the bill, distinguish the two, and not be speculative. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/22/2007 22:12 (EST)</small>
**** I don't think we need to define a new power for him, rather supplement the current telepathy article with the examples of Mr. Parkman's uses as well as Matt's developing ability to project. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
*Could it be possible that Mr. Parkman has a form of [[mental manipulation]]? It seems that he can block Matt Parkman's telepathy, and make him hurt while he's attempting to read his mind. The hallucinations generated in ''[[Fight or Flight]]'' could be a result of Mr. Parkman's manipulation of Matt's and Nathan's five senses. Additionally, I don't recall him actually reading anyone's mind in Fight or Flight (unless my memory fails to serve me properly). [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 22:14, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
** Also remember that when Matt tried to read Peter's mind before the feedback loop was painful for them as well. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
*** I'm not so sure Matt was projecting (referring to whoever said that)- I think he was saying it, and since Nathan couldn't SEE Matt yet, he just heard it. The voice was there, but I don't think it was being Telepathically Projected. But who knows? I'm often wrong.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:24, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
**** I wonder if we might have to make a new section for evolved powers if stuff like this happens more often. --[[User:AvadaNella|AvadaNella]] 23:51, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
**** Check the scene again, I went back and rewatched it to be sure. He said it a few times, but towards the end you can hear him thinking it. Just saying it isn't enough to break through because each of their words aren't getting through to the other, but he's eventually able to force his thoughts through and break out. Check it out, it's easier the second time through. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:54, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
***** Yeah, this time he was definitely projecting thoughts. His lips weren't moving the last time he "spoke", and it got the telepathic "feedback" sound. Fits with what Joe and Aron said in today's BTE, too.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:02, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
****** Woohoo! Finally some thought projection from Matt! --[[User:DismantleRepair|DismantleRepair]] 18:41, 23 October 2007 (EDT)


*I still don't think it's telepathy. Here's Beeman's take:
== Identity ==
* You all know Molly's talking about [[Uluru]], right? See [http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10548 CBR 22]. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
** That would be my theory as well. But since they didn't exactly spell it out in the CBR it remains just a very good theory.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*** I don't exactly feel like reading the whole interview, but could someone kindly tell me where it is? Thanks.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
**** Here you go:
{{blurb|width=95%}}'''Jereme Zuanich wants to know if we'll see a resolution to the Uluru character, the big blue rock monster on the cover of Micah's "9 th Wonders" comic. "It was drawn and painted by Isaac and was also on Hiro's screen saver when he first stops time. Will this be a new more serious foe on day, perhaps once our heroes begin to master their abilities? Is there any chance this monster actually exists, or is he a manifestation of something else?"'''<br>
There will be some hint of the Uluru mystery before the end of the season. Uluru means a lot of things to a lot of people. It might not refer to a person, but rather a concept. One of our favorite CBR readers wrote a very interesting theory about Uluru and the connection to the Aborgine dreamtime myths and theory. Is Uluru a person? Or is Uluru an ability? Or a concept? We'll see.{{blurbclose}}--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:33, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*That personally tells me nothing concrete at all that Molly is referring to Uluru. It's just an ambiguous 'uh-oh' thing. Plus if Molly is going to call Sylar a boogeyman she'd probably say 'a big rock guy can see me'. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 19:10, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
::::*Thank you so much. I appreciate it.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 22:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)


Another complex sequence in our little weekly TV show is the entire nightmare man sequence where Maury, Matt Parkman’s father. This character throws both Nathan and Matt into their respective worst nightmares. We had to show 3 things at once: First, Matt Parkman’s nightmare of being locked up for abandoning his family. Second, Nathan’s nightmare that New York had blown up and that he had to do battle with his own inner demon. And third, that in reality, both men were fighting each other under the control of Maury. "
==Why do we need this, exactly?==
* This whole article feels pretty premature. It's pretty much just here for the quote, which is way too long anyway. I'm not sure we need an article for this (or a protracted argument about what to call it) just yet.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
** I'll second the nomination to delete it--for now.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
*** Thirded. Makes sense to me. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
* It is an integral piece of the current Heroes puzzle, though. I feel like deleting this page, though information is scarce, is a jump that should not be made. --[[User:Zenebas|Zenebas]] 01:05, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
** Everything we currently know about this individual can be summed up on the episode page, though. We don't even have any independent corroboration that this character actually exists, apart from the beliefs of a scared little girl who refers to the main Season One villain as "the boogeyman". Chances are good we'll have enough information to start an article that isn't so ... pointless ... come the first episode of next season.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 02:11, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
** I agree that deleting is a bad idea. Clearly, this character will be very significant, and what information is known now should be here. [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 10:22, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
**If anyone's counting votes, mine would be to keep the page. There are entries of similar size about far less important characters as this and people reading the wiki will be looking for any information about this man, whatever we decide upon calling him. There's already the speculation that the character is Uluru, and there's bound to be more details over the next few months, so the page could be quite helpful.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 13:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
**I agree that an article like this will be helpful, but until "[[Season Two|Volume Two]]," ''I don't think we need this article''.
:As far as the ''[[Uluru]] speculation'' goes, I'd imagine, even in the ''Heroes'' World, that ''"giant rock-monsters"'' don't exist. In my humble opinion, I think Uluru was just a vision 'Isaac' had while he was [[heroin|high]] and his [[Precognition|power]] got the better of him.
:Of course, the show ''does'' need an antagonist (or two) for the second season. But I think that, while this article could (and probably will) be very necessary ''during the episode '''Generations''''' (September, 2007), it just doesn't need to exist ''right now''.
— [[User:Rewind|Re]][[User talk:Rewind|wind]], 6:52 [[Wikipedia:Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]; Wednesday, May 23, 2007
*I say not to delete it because it almost reveals a whole nother evil, something the Heroes could be afraid of and a mystery. I say keep it. What does it hurt by leaving it? [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 15:54, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
* People are already linking to it externally, so let's keep it. Plus it sounds like this will be an important part of things to come, so people are interested in knowing any information about it already. I'm not a huge fan of the name, but I can't really think of anything better. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:00, 23 May 2007 (EDT))


* What do y'all think?--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 01:11, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
== Discussion about votes ==
**I, too, don't think it's telepathy. Matt's telepathic abilities are obviously a lot stronger and more complex than originally shown: he was able not only to project his thoughts to Nathan, but also (from what I saw) to dispel the nightmare around him. Nevertheless, I don't think his abilities extend to trapping others in nightmares like this. I believe that Maury Parkman's ability is obviously mentally-based, but doesn't fall under telepathy. He was never shown actually reading or projecting any thoughts; also, he's clearly a liar. I think calling his ability "telepathy" is assuming he's telling the truth, especially considering that his ability differed so wildly from what Matt has exhibited. No, I don't think his power is telepathy at all. -- [[User talk:Paronine|Paronine]] 02:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
I think there should be a vote on renaming the article. The two I think are the best are "Being who can see Molly" (which was mine) and "Molly's Greatest Fear", but there were others in contention. I'm not sure how such things are done here: I'm guessing similar to wikipedia but slightly different, so if an admin wants to get this started the way things are usualyl done, I think that would be good. [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 08:42, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
** I do think it's telepathy. There's the scene earlier in their encounter where Matt gets feedback trying to read his father's mind, just like when he tried to read Peter's mind. His father tells him that their ability only begins with telepathy and then becomes so much more. While his father's not the most honest person, I don't really find a compelling reason for him to lie when telling Matt about his powers. Moreso I just get the feeling that the writers are trying to move the plot along here rather than deceive us, but I admit that's not a very compelling argument. More importantly after they're trapped in their nightmares Matt's able to project his thoughts to Nathan which supports his father's statement that their power just begins at telepathy. I think what were seeing is a very advanced telepath who's modus operandi is to get into people's heads and show them their fears (i.e. nightmares). It's a convenient way of turning a relatively benign power into a weapon. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:20, 23 October 2007 (EDT))
* Come on people, we need votes! :D --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 20:04, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
***Wow, never before has my mind been changed so rapidly. Still, I do take issue with telepathy covering this sort of thing. Mainly, it's because this show of telepathy kind of steps on the toes of Candice's ability. While I understand the advantages illusion has over this power, the extreme nature of inducing such nightmares using telepathy makes this particular ability extraordinarily powerful. The ability to mentally shield oneself and attack other minds I can accept, but the ability to a) hear thoughts, b) project thoughts, c) guard one's mind, d) induce nightmares, and e) God knows what else just seems too wide-spanning and powerful for my tastes. Then again, there are still two characters who can set off a nuclear explosion with little effort. So, meh. -- [[User talk:Paronine|Paronine]] 02:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
* I would say we have enough votes now. Should we close the voting and move the page? --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 22:06, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
***I just think there's more to it. From what Beeman said about nightmares, to Molly's nightmares, to Matt telling Nathan to "wake up", to Maury saying "pleasant dreams" when he walks out. It's not the same as Dream manipulation, but I think it's either a vast development of telepathy, or it's something else.--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 02:53, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
** Enough votes? It's a tie: Ryan is neutral (voted for both); MGF has Ted, myself, Voo, Ice Vision; BWCSM has Heroe, Alexwill, Pearse, Kschang. Does Admin want to weigh in on this?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
*i was thinking along the lines of advanced telepathy, up until now Telepathy was simply reading the topmost thoughts, we've now seen projection of both thoughts, and complete visions, as well as reading deep into memories, it's a completely different level to what Matt can do, though he did show thought projection. I think either a new article for advanced Telepathy, or the Telepathy article needs quite a bit added...[[User:Ehsteve23|Ehsteve23]] 07:26, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
*** Note that I would accept 'Being Molly fears' but saying the being can 'see' Molly is just as much an assumption as saying it's her greatest fear, imho. Can we stop playing name switcharoo and leave the original name for now, please?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
* The thing is, even if Maury's power is the same as Matt's (and I have not problem with the idea that it is), it really encompasses more than what the word "telepathy" connotes. There may be warrant for changing the name of the power to something more general that includes both simple telepathy and control of nightmares and hallucinations. Not sure what a good name for that would be. Then, it could be explained that Matt's ability at that power is currently at a basic level that only includes mind reading (which is actually itself more specific than telepathy which could be two-way communication), and that Maury's ability has advanced to include more things.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 13:54, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
****Well, she says he can see her, but she never actually says she's fearful of him. I'm sure she is, but that's still assumed. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
*Maybe he's another empath? This might explain why his powers are different from Matt's.--[[User:Theslate|Theslate]] 16:21, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
***** I think she's mentioning him because she fears him too, so I still prefer MGF. But check out this [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/episodes/season1/123/how_to_stop_an_exploding_man_05.shtml#recap link] to the recap. It says that Molly "'''cautions'''" of an even worse villain that "knows" when she's thinking about him. And it leaves out whether-or-not the villain can "see" her. Dare I suggest "Molly's villain" or "Villain Molly knows"? We only know of his existence due to Molly.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
** Just another canonic reminder of something that was mentioned way back in season 1. Chandra had a file which listed the power "INDUCED HALLUCINATION" which also might be appropriate based on what hp did to Nathan and Matt. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/23/2007 16:32 (EST)</small>
****** I think that recap is in accurate. In the episode Molly clearly says she doesn't want to think about him because when she does "he can see me". [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 11:41, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
*** I agree with Induced Hallucination more, maybe he can create people's worst nightmares, which would explain the latest Graphic Novel as well and also the fact that Molly calls him the Nightmare Man. He also says just before leaving his apartment "sweet dreams." which leads me to believe it's something to do with dreams/nightmares. If this is true, could his power be related to Charles Deveaux's? --Ciaran 01:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
******* The recap is a canon source: it's not inaccurate. It may be incomplete but it does hint at the possibility that he can't actually "see" Molly, but simply "knows" when she is thinking about him. You didn't like "Molly's villain?" as a name? ;)--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:13, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
* Greg Grunberg and Greg Beeman discuss his power in the episode commentary. Grunberg says that Maury is "also a mind reader".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:56, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
******** Is it canon? I assumed near canon or official source, maybe. I've never read it on the Heroes site before, so that's just ignorance on my part. I do kind of like "Molly's villain". But I still feel her say "he can see me" is the most legitimate reference. [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 13:45, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
********* How's it legitimate? Seriously: Molly is speculating that he can see her. She doesn't know that. Half-serious: If she said that he can smell her would you be rooting for "Being who can smell Molly"? LOL.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
********* NBC recaps are not a canon source. Only aired episodes are canon. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:41, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
********** I stand corrected, the admin here may not consider them canon, but I think they are a good source. If I recall correctly, we did base Peter's time-freeze use on a statement from the recaps. Other things I think are canon: the graphic novels (the writers/producers confirmed canon status), CBR interviews with the writers/producers themselves.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:59, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
*********** This canon source also confused D.L. and the Haitian. We did not base Peter's time freeze on that caption. It was based on the actual episode.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 15:20, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
************Right. NBC really is a great source, but it's not canon (see [[help:sources]]). The graphic novels are not canon, either, they are "near canon". NBC recaps can certainly be used to help clarify, expound, and enlighten, but a non-canon source (including a GN or an NBC recap) should never be given higher status than an aired episode. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but I am afraid that people are brushing aside what Molly said in the episode in favor of what an NBC recap said. If that's not the case, then that's great. But it should be made clear that NBC is an official source, not a canon source. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 16:03, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
*************Thanks for the pointer to [[help:sources]], but we're still stuck on this name. Care to make a ''help:naming''?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:00, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
== Voting ==
I'm proposing a voting system. The name gets one bullet. Add your name after it with two bullets if it's your vote. Hopefully, this will make counting workable --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
*Molly's greatest fear
** --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
** --[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
** This one works so long as it's "Molly's greatest fear". &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
***On second thought, she never says it's her ''greatest'' fear--that's assumed. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:50, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
** --[[User:Lotrabc|Lotrabc]] 13:09, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
** --[[User:Fystlotra69|Fystlotra69]] 17:17, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
**--I Live In Your Closet 13:46, 28 May 2007
**--[[User:Lastword2|Lastword2]] 17:45, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
*Being who can see Molly
** --&nbsp;[[User:FrenchFlo|'''FrenchFlo''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:FrenchFlo|<span style="font-size:8pt">(talk)</span>]]&nbsp;<span style="border: 1px solid black">[[Wikipedia:Toulouse|<span style="background-color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="background-color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 16:00, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
** -- [[User:Heroe|Heroe]]
** -- [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 08:35, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
** This is also acceptable. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
** I'd prefer "person" or "man". "Being" seems to imply they might not be human, and I don't see Heroes having aliens or supernatural creatures. Still gets my vote though.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 14:06, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
*** "being" is prefereable as it's not known to be human, especially given strong speculation that it may be [[Uluru]]. We don't have any reason to know what it is. [[User:Alexwill|Alex W]] ([[User talk:Alexwill|talk]]) 13:45, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
** I prefer this to others, as it shows the WHY, not the effects. Others only show effects. Perhaps, change it to "Being who can sense Molly"? -- [[User:Kschang|Kschang]] 21:29, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
** --[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 04:24, 29 May 2007 (EDT)


== Mr. Parkman as the prison guard (speaking backwards) ==
*He who sees Molly
**--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 16:43, 24 May 2007 (EDT)


* When Mr. Parkman first traps Matt and appears as the prison guard his speech is originally reversed. If you reverse it and play it back he's saying, "You abandoned your kid, you a dead-beat." Later I can make out "Hands against the wall." There's some in there I can't interpret, not sure if it's of any interest or not. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
*Leave it alone
** This is Molly's wording, not ours. [[User:Disney42|Disney42]] 00:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
** Possible homage to Twin Peaks anyone?? --[[User:HandsOffMyPeter|HandsOffMyPeter]] 06:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
*** It's actually the guard's voice, it sounds different. He says "You know the drill, hands against the wall", and then "You abandoned your kid, you a deadbeat, and now you're gonna pay." Later when he looks at him through the slit in the door, he says "no one's supposed to be here", with both normal and reverse speech overlapping. --[[User:DismantleRepair|DismantleRepair]] 01:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
***If you want to get technical, "worse than the boogeyman" is actually never said by Molly. But even still, it's an adjectival phrase, not a noun, like all our other character names. It simply doesn't fit with our naming conventions. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)


== Rename ==
*Molly Greatest Fear!


* I think it's safe to rename Mr. Parkman to Maury Parkman now that his first name has been mentioned both in the show and in the Heroes Interactive which I'm editing now.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:06, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
*Worse Than Sylar
** Agreed. Beeman calls him that on his blog.--[[User:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>Bob</font>]] {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Baldbobbo| (<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Baldbobbo&action=edit&section=new message]</span>) | ([[User talk:Baldbobbo|<font color=#0F004D>talk</font>]]) }} 01:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
**After all, "Boogeyman" is simply her term for Sylar. It fits as well as "Worse than the Boogeyman" and has the advantage of not sounding like it was uttered by an 8-year old (even if it was). :) --[[User:AlanK|AlanK]] 01:55, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
***What scene did they call him Maury? I missed it I guess. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 01:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
****No scene. It was in [[Greg Beeman]]'s blog, in the introductory text to ''[[Molly's Dream]]'', and in ''[[Heroes: The Mobile Game]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 07:28, 23 October 2007 (EDT)


== Noah and the boogeyman ==
== Maury and the Future Past ==


''Ah, variant timelines. They're a bugger.''
After reviewing the season ending episode, i noticed Noah Bennett having that weird "shift eye" look on his face when little Molly sunshine talks about the creature(person) who is worse than the boogeyman. Initially, i thought it was because he wanted to help his daughter and stop sylar, but the more i look at it, well it looks like he is trying to cover up something. Check it out, but he ''HAS'' to know something about uluru.. or who/whatever WTTB is.


So, I wonder if this scheme of Maury's to kill off some or all of the group of twelve occurred in the future we saw in the first season? We did not ''see'' any of the them in ''[[Five Years Gone]]'', certainly. Presumably Linderman was involved in the Linderman Act, so he may not have died on Election Day. Was Linderman somehow what was keeping Maury in check? (Though, I cannot quite place what about saving Claire and exploding in the upper atmosphere instead of in the city, as the two known time-altering events, led to D.L. and Niki following up on the kidnapping of Micah. It seems like that would have happened regardless.) --[[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 12:27, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
== The Dragon ==


== New Image ==
If it turns out that WTTB is really the dragon from the Kaito's story in [[Episode:Landslide|Landslide]], I guess we can move the history of this article to it then. But for now, do we already have an article referencing the dragon story? I'm not finding it.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:48, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
I think we should use the present-time image of Maury from ''Fight or Flight'' rather than the past one from the photograph.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
* See [[Takezo Kensei#Heroes 360]]....but we really should have more than that. {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:03, 3 June 2007 (EDT)
* Bumping my comment. If no one minds, I'll swap it and perhaps add the old image to a gallery.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:36, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
**I think that is a wonderful idea. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 23:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
** Not only that, but we should update [[:Image:12_bg_map.jpg|this image]] and the imagemap as well with a current image.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:20, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
*** So I updated the image and added the old one to the gallery. Looks like both versions of Maury's character may be played by the same actor? Am I right?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:52, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
**** Yes, it's the same actor. However, it's also [[Joanna Cassidy]] in the photo, so I'm guessing the casting call for "younger" versions is for an episode (possibly set in the past or a flashback), not for the photos.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:58, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
***** Cool. Can you update the imagemaps you mentioned?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:01, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
****** Done.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:10, 24 October 2007 (EDT)


== Identity part 2 ==
== Dream manipulation? ==


Couldn't it be said that Maury's power overlaps, at least somewhat, with [[Sanjog Iyer]]'s, i.e. [[dream manipulation]]? --[[User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg]] 02:17, 7 November 2007 (EST)
I was wondering, Molly searches for people that [[The Company]] tells her to search for, and The Company finds those people with the list [[Chandra]] put together (Correct me if I'm wrong. If I remember correctly I think Mohinder gave The List to someone) so I assume that WTTB is on the [[The list|the list of evolved humans]]. [[User:Arnisturlu|Arnisturlu]] 18:05, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
*Not necessarily and probably not. Two things I'll correct. First, Molly probably finds people ''primarily'' for the Company, but she is, of course, able to do this on her own, even without an order from the Company. This being doesn't seem to be on the radar of the Company, as far as we know. Possible, but who knows. Second, Suresh only met up with the Company in November 2006, so the Company is most likely not working off the list. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:58, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
** Definitely not. In the next-to-finale, when Mohinder said something about Parkman, Molly said something akin to "really? He's downstairs coming up right now." And Mohinder looks at the monitor, and sure enough, there's Parkman and HRG. Company and Mohinder sure did not "look" for Parkman. Molly did that on her own. --[[User:Kschang|Kschang]] 18:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)


== Section "Evolved Human Abilities" ==
== Information from Deathray Magazine ==


This section says that Maury is "far more adept" than Matt at using his ability.
Hi,
When Maury's power became apparent this was certainly true, Matt wasn't even able to manipulate the minds of others yet however the last time Maury appeared in the show Matt defeated him, locking him inside "his nightmare" through his mental prowess. Yes, this may not have been simply a battle of powers but a battle of wits however the point remains that Matt at least rivals his father in telepathic ability, the statement that he is "far more adept" is no longer valid, at least in my eyes. To me the sentence "However, he is far more adept than his son at using his ability." could use deleting, the rest seems fine. Thoughts? --[[User:Marshmellis|Marshmellis]] 06:13, 12 December 2007 (EST)
*I think that it should stay. Matt has yet to do nearly as much as Maury can. More importantly, being "more adept" does not mean that you can falter once to a lesser opponent. Adept is strongly linked to aptitude, and in that light, Maury is far more adept than Matt. Knowledge and experience would make him more adept, imho.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 06:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)


== level 5 ==
There's been some information from a magazine about this characters name, powers, and information on him. I don't know how true it is, but should I put it in anyway? I didn't post the information here in case anyone didnt want to be spoiled[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 18:07, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

* You shouldn't post it on this article. Such spoiler information belongs on a 'Spoiler' page such as [[Spoiler:Upcoming episodes]] or [[Spoiler:Season Two]].--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 18:13, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
* Very cool. Do you have a link, Babygurl? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:19, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
when did he escaped? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 10:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
:When Elle short-circuited the entire level. --[[User:Psiphiorg|Psiphiorg]] 17:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Okay thanks. Just took a look over at the spoilers page and it seems most of what I had to say was already there, but added some bits. [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 19:19, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
:Then did I somehow miss the part when they said Maury was in Level 5? Because I'm fairly certain that this is speculation. [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 22:12, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
*I added some links and clarification. Check out [[Spoiler:Season Two]] now to make sure my facts are right about the portrayer. Thanks! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:12, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
:: Well, he was seen in [[Angela's dream]], but obviously that's not necessarily reality (yet). However, writers [[Joe Pokaski]] and [[Aron Coleite]] said that Maury was in Level 5 [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18343 when answering fan questions]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:22, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
::: Nathan was seeing Linderman in his hospital room before the Level 5 breakout. Does this strike anyone else as a continuity error? Even if Maury is powerful enough to be able to create a vision like that from within Level 5, I don't know how Maury could have been part of Arthur's plan before escaping. - Only3Penguins
:::: Yeah, it looks like Maury had escaped Level 5 before the big escape caused by Sylar/Elle. The big question is who helped him.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:16, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I was thinking the same thing, because when Nathan asked if he was telepathic, Linderman chuckled, which gave me the clue. From [[Graphic Novel:Doyle]], we learn that there's something in Level 5 that prevents the captives from using their abilities (though Michael can use his), so if Maury was in Level 5 when Nathan was shot, he wouldn't have been able to see Maury. --{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 19:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

i have another worst question. how did he managed to escaped from his nightmare that matt put him to? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 07:19, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== On Maury's telepathic specters... ==

Maury can generate specters with his telepathy. he has created specters of [[DL]] {[[Out of Time]]} and [[Linderman]] (this season). Shouldn't the histories of those specters be put on Maury's character history rather than those characters' respective histories?--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 18:40, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

: I was about to ask the same thing. [[User:Cyfin|Cyfin]] 01:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

== Maybe he's not really dead? ==
Maybe Maury got into everyone nearby's mind and projected an illusion before it looked like Arthur snapped his neck and he dropped to the floor? As much of a bad father he was, his "last" words and insistence on protecting Matt (a counterpoint to how Arthur treated Peter) made me feel sympathy for him. --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 23:07, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
:It seems plausible. I don't think Maury would be stupid enough to go against Arthur like that... maybe he took a precaution and cast an illusion. But for now, we should probably leave him as deceased. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 23:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
*Considering that Arthur has the ability of telepathy i highly doubt he would be able to fool Arthur. Arthur has shown himself to be a powerful yet intelligent foe.--[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 07:27, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
** Perhaps he didn't consider using telepathy since he believes Maury to be dead... and of course, he thinks he's always right. :P <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 07:33, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
**Well when matt was fighting nathan in an illusion, his telepathy spontaneously kicked in and canceled out the illusion. It doesn't appear to need conscious thought[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 21:57, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== The gallery... ==

It seems Maury's gallery is more focused on his ability (Nathan and Matt's dream dual, Molly's nightmare) than Maury himself... [[User:JackOfBloodyHearts|JackOfBloodyHearts]] 03:33, 6 November 2008 (EST)
* Yeah, good catch. There's maybe two images that are there that would "belong". Most are not illustrative of the subject of the article. In fact, I don't think the page needs a gallery at all. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 07:10, 6 November 2008 (EST)

== Birth: 1942 ==

If you look at [[:Image:Linderman's_files_-_Matt_Parkman.jpg|Matt's birth certificate]], it details someone (presumably a parent) who was 26 years of age when Matt was born on June 10, 1968. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 18:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)
* On that form ([[:Image:Screenshot-18.png|see here]] for an unobscured version), the mother is listed first, not the father. If we ever find out anything about Mrs. Parkman, we can add that she was 26 when Matt was born. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:59, 30 December 2008 (EST)
** However, that same birth certificate also says she was born in 1939. If she were 26 when Matt was born in 1968, she would have been born in 1942. See [[Image talk:Linderman's files - Matt Parkman.jpg|here]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:52, 3 January 2009 (EST)

== Maury's escape. ==

I've been thinking about how Maury might have escaped from his nightmare prison. So far everybody who has been trapped inside a nightmare (Molly, Nathan and Angela)have all required the assistance of another telepath (Matt) to help them break free. So I've come to thew conclusion that one needs some kind of telepathic powers to escape a nightmare,now Maury certainly has telepathy but he was being kept in the nightmare by Matt. However Matt is not as strong as Maury and may have lost his control when he was teleported to Africa allowing Maury his chance to escape the nightmare and be awake and alert enough to escape Level 5 when Elle blew the grid. Sure this doesn't explain how Nathan was seeing Linderman before the breakout, but lets just chalk that up to yet another season 3 continuity error. What do you guys think? [[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 23:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)
*only problem I have is saying that matt lost control when he was teleported to africa. There is nothing saying that a telepath has to constantly try to keep a person in their prison. He most likely broke himself free after some hard work.

== Matt's age when Maury left ==
Didn't Maury leave when Matt was 10, the year that Maury becoming the 12th founder?--[[User:Blood69|Blood69]] 21:15, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
**13, but this puts it in 1982, meaning he worked with the Company for four years before leaving for good. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 22:43, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

== Stub ==

Can anyone fill in this stub? I don't recall what A Heros Quest is? {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 19:25, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
* It was a blog that Hiro kept. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:30, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
**Well do you know how to fulfill this stub? {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 11:33, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
*** Yes, but not off the top of my head. If have to do some digging. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:28, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
**** Okay, well it is my goal now to get these stubs DOWN! {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 00:03, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

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Finally!

  • Finally we have a better name for him! (Admin 21:43, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Yeah it's Matt's dad. --The Empath 22:44, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Anybody for changing this to "Mr. Parkman" since we don't have a first name yet? --Fcphantom 23:24, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Some candidate names I mentioned in an earlier section are: Matt Parkman's father, Nightmare Man, or Mr. Parkman. Don't particularly care for "Nightmare Man." I think Matt Parkman's father might be the best since Mr. Parkman is more ambiguous, though I think either would technically be acceptable. (Admin 23:27, 15 October 2007 (EDT))
          • I'd lean towards "Mr. Parkman" since it matches "Mr. Linderman" and "Mr. Petrelli". Plus, we have a name from the video game: "Maury Parkman". I think "Mr. Parkman" is the safe bet until that full name is revealed.--Hardvice (talk) 23:33, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Yes, I'll side with Mr. Parkman too, with Matt Parkman's father as a redirect (why not?).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
              • Just found this discussion (it's harder to check every edit nowadays--curse the huge Heroes fan base!)...I've been linking Mr. Parkman; it just strikes my ear in a nicer way. Either is fine, though. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:05, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm still up in the air why Molly was trying to find Matt Parkman's father in the first place. She has had these images of the boggy man even before she met Matt for the second time. --Pinkkeith 10:11, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Alan Blumenfeld

Sorry, I'm new here, and don't know where to add this bit of trivia. My wife and I noticed that the actor who portrays Parkman's father also played Greg Grunberg's father on the television show Felicity. Is this something that could be added to the trivia section?--Wiredfu 14:59, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Absolutely. That's a piece of trivia for the actor page, though, not the character page. When the page is written for Alan Blumenfeld (feel free to write it, if you want), that'll make a terrific piece of trivia. Welcome aboard! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Telepathic Illusion??

Is that his power? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 21:30 (EST)

  • It seems more like his power deals with nightmares, since Molly calls him the "Nightmare Man".--Ice Vision 21:33, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
  • His power is confirmed to be Telepathy by Mr. Parkman himself, his is just more advanced. --Snow Leapord 21:59, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • He could have lied to fool Matt into going into that separate room. He's not exactly the most honest of people.--Bob (talk) 22:02, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Chandra had a file which listed the power "induced hallucination" which also might be appropriate based oh what hp did to Nathan and Matt. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 22:03 (EST)
    • He could have been lying, sure, but it is pretty consistent with someone with an advanced form of telepathy (and led into showing Matt's powers developing to the point where he can project as well). Plus it is a canonical source wheras calling it anything else would be speculative. In the end we may just have to go with telepathy for now unless we find out differently. (Admin 22:10, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Agree. While it's certainly possible (perhaps even likely) that there's more going on than he's saying, for now we have his word for it and a demonstration of an ability that, even if it isn't really telepathy, is certainly telepathy-like enough to support his claim for now.--Hardvice (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Why not go for the obvious that isn't speculative, but also differentiates between him and Matt....Advanced Telepathy would fit the bill, distinguish the two, and not be speculative. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/22/2007 22:12 (EST)
        • I don't think we need to define a new power for him, rather supplement the current telepathy article with the examples of Mr. Parkman's uses as well as Matt's developing ability to project. (Admin 22:22, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
  • Could it be possible that Mr. Parkman has a form of mental manipulation? It seems that he can block Matt Parkman's telepathy, and make him hurt while he's attempting to read his mind. The hallucinations generated in Fight or Flight could be a result of Mr. Parkman's manipulation of Matt's and Nathan's five senses. Additionally, I don't recall him actually reading anyone's mind in Fight or Flight (unless my memory fails to serve me properly). Thrashmeister 22:14, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Also remember that when Matt tried to read Peter's mind before the feedback loop was painful for them as well. (Admin 22:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
      • I'm not so sure Matt was projecting (referring to whoever said that)- I think he was saying it, and since Nathan couldn't SEE Matt yet, he just heard it. The voice was there, but I don't think it was being Telepathically Projected. But who knows? I'm often wrong.--Riddler 22:24, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • I wonder if we might have to make a new section for evolved powers if stuff like this happens more often. --AvadaNella 23:51, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Check the scene again, I went back and rewatched it to be sure. He said it a few times, but towards the end you can hear him thinking it. Just saying it isn't enough to break through because each of their words aren't getting through to the other, but he's eventually able to force his thoughts through and break out. Check it out, it's easier the second time through. (Admin 23:54, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
          • Yeah, this time he was definitely projecting thoughts. His lips weren't moving the last time he "spoke", and it got the telepathic "feedback" sound. Fits with what Joe and Aron said in today's BTE, too.--Hardvice (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
            • Woohoo! Finally some thought projection from Matt! --DismantleRepair 18:41, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I still don't think it's telepathy. Here's Beeman's take:

Another complex sequence in our little weekly TV show is the entire nightmare man sequence where Maury, Matt Parkman’s father. This character throws both Nathan and Matt into their respective worst nightmares. We had to show 3 things at once: First, Matt Parkman’s nightmare of being locked up for abandoning his family. Second, Nathan’s nightmare that New York had blown up and that he had to do battle with his own inner demon. And third, that in reality, both men were fighting each other under the control of Maury. "

  • What do y'all think?--Bob (talk) 01:11, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I, too, don't think it's telepathy. Matt's telepathic abilities are obviously a lot stronger and more complex than originally shown: he was able not only to project his thoughts to Nathan, but also (from what I saw) to dispel the nightmare around him. Nevertheless, I don't think his abilities extend to trapping others in nightmares like this. I believe that Maury Parkman's ability is obviously mentally-based, but doesn't fall under telepathy. He was never shown actually reading or projecting any thoughts; also, he's clearly a liar. I think calling his ability "telepathy" is assuming he's telling the truth, especially considering that his ability differed so wildly from what Matt has exhibited. No, I don't think his power is telepathy at all. -- Paronine 02:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I do think it's telepathy. There's the scene earlier in their encounter where Matt gets feedback trying to read his father's mind, just like when he tried to read Peter's mind. His father tells him that their ability only begins with telepathy and then becomes so much more. While his father's not the most honest person, I don't really find a compelling reason for him to lie when telling Matt about his powers. Moreso I just get the feeling that the writers are trying to move the plot along here rather than deceive us, but I admit that's not a very compelling argument. More importantly after they're trapped in their nightmares Matt's able to project his thoughts to Nathan which supports his father's statement that their power just begins at telepathy. I think what were seeing is a very advanced telepath who's modus operandi is to get into people's heads and show them their fears (i.e. nightmares). It's a convenient way of turning a relatively benign power into a weapon. (Admin 02:20, 23 October 2007 (EDT))
      • Wow, never before has my mind been changed so rapidly. Still, I do take issue with telepathy covering this sort of thing. Mainly, it's because this show of telepathy kind of steps on the toes of Candice's ability. While I understand the advantages illusion has over this power, the extreme nature of inducing such nightmares using telepathy makes this particular ability extraordinarily powerful. The ability to mentally shield oneself and attack other minds I can accept, but the ability to a) hear thoughts, b) project thoughts, c) guard one's mind, d) induce nightmares, and e) God knows what else just seems too wide-spanning and powerful for my tastes. Then again, there are still two characters who can set off a nuclear explosion with little effort. So, meh. -- Paronine 02:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I just think there's more to it. From what Beeman said about nightmares, to Molly's nightmares, to Matt telling Nathan to "wake up", to Maury saying "pleasant dreams" when he walks out. It's not the same as Dream manipulation, but I think it's either a vast development of telepathy, or it's something else.--Bob (talk) 02:53, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • i was thinking along the lines of advanced telepathy, up until now Telepathy was simply reading the topmost thoughts, we've now seen projection of both thoughts, and complete visions, as well as reading deep into memories, it's a completely different level to what Matt can do, though he did show thought projection. I think either a new article for advanced Telepathy, or the Telepathy article needs quite a bit added...Ehsteve23 07:26, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • The thing is, even if Maury's power is the same as Matt's (and I have not problem with the idea that it is), it really encompasses more than what the word "telepathy" connotes. There may be warrant for changing the name of the power to something more general that includes both simple telepathy and control of nightmares and hallucinations. Not sure what a good name for that would be. Then, it could be explained that Matt's ability at that power is currently at a basic level that only includes mind reading (which is actually itself more specific than telepathy which could be two-way communication), and that Maury's ability has advanced to include more things.--E rowe 13:54, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe he's another empath? This might explain why his powers are different from Matt's.--Theslate 16:21, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Just another canonic reminder of something that was mentioned way back in season 1. Chandra had a file which listed the power "INDUCED HALLUCINATION" which also might be appropriate based on what hp did to Nathan and Matt. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/23/2007 16:32 (EST)
      • I agree with Induced Hallucination more, maybe he can create people's worst nightmares, which would explain the latest Graphic Novel as well and also the fact that Molly calls him the Nightmare Man. He also says just before leaving his apartment "sweet dreams." which leads me to believe it's something to do with dreams/nightmares. If this is true, could his power be related to Charles Deveaux's? --Ciaran 01:09, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Greg Grunberg and Greg Beeman discuss his power in the episode commentary. Grunberg says that Maury is "also a mind reader".--Hardvice (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Mr. Parkman as the prison guard (speaking backwards)

  • When Mr. Parkman first traps Matt and appears as the prison guard his speech is originally reversed. If you reverse it and play it back he's saying, "You abandoned your kid, you a dead-beat." Later I can make out "Hands against the wall." There's some in there I can't interpret, not sure if it's of any interest or not. (Admin 22:49, 22 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Possible homage to Twin Peaks anyone?? --HandsOffMyPeter 06:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • It's actually the guard's voice, it sounds different. He says "You know the drill, hands against the wall", and then "You abandoned your kid, you a deadbeat, and now you're gonna pay." Later when he looks at him through the slit in the door, he says "no one's supposed to be here", with both normal and reverse speech overlapping. --DismantleRepair 01:10, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Rename

  • I think it's safe to rename Mr. Parkman to Maury Parkman now that his first name has been mentioned both in the show and in the Heroes Interactive which I'm editing now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

Maury and the Future Past

Ah, variant timelines. They're a bugger.

So, I wonder if this scheme of Maury's to kill off some or all of the group of twelve occurred in the future we saw in the first season? We did not see any of the them in Five Years Gone, certainly. Presumably Linderman was involved in the Linderman Act, so he may not have died on Election Day. Was Linderman somehow what was keeping Maury in check? (Though, I cannot quite place what about saving Claire and exploding in the upper atmosphere instead of in the city, as the two known time-altering events, led to D.L. and Niki following up on the kidnapping of Micah. It seems like that would have happened regardless.) --FissionChips 12:27, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

New Image

I think we should use the present-time image of Maury from Fight or Flight rather than the past one from the photograph.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Bumping my comment. If no one minds, I'll swap it and perhaps add the old image to a gallery.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:36, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I think that is a wonderful idea. Random guy 23:38, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Not only that, but we should update this image and the imagemap as well with a current image.--Hardvice (talk) 00:20, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
      • So I updated the image and added the old one to the gallery. Looks like both versions of Maury's character may be played by the same actor? Am I right?--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:52, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Yes, it's the same actor. However, it's also Joanna Cassidy in the photo, so I'm guessing the casting call for "younger" versions is for an episode (possibly set in the past or a flashback), not for the photos.--Hardvice (talk) 00:58, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Cool. Can you update the imagemaps you mentioned?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Dream manipulation?

Couldn't it be said that Maury's power overlaps, at least somewhat, with Sanjog Iyer's, i.e. dream manipulation? --Psiphiorg 02:17, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Section "Evolved Human Abilities"

This section says that Maury is "far more adept" than Matt at using his ability. When Maury's power became apparent this was certainly true, Matt wasn't even able to manipulate the minds of others yet however the last time Maury appeared in the show Matt defeated him, locking him inside "his nightmare" through his mental prowess. Yes, this may not have been simply a battle of powers but a battle of wits however the point remains that Matt at least rivals his father in telepathic ability, the statement that he is "far more adept" is no longer valid, at least in my eyes. To me the sentence "However, he is far more adept than his son at using his ability." could use deleting, the rest seems fine. Thoughts? --Marshmellis 06:13, 12 December 2007 (EST)

  • I think that it should stay. Matt has yet to do nearly as much as Maury can. More importantly, being "more adept" does not mean that you can falter once to a lesser opponent. Adept is strongly linked to aptitude, and in that light, Maury is far more adept than Matt. Knowledge and experience would make him more adept, imho.--Bob (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)

level 5

when did he escaped? --Manwithnoname 10:18, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

When Elle short-circuited the entire level. --Psiphiorg 17:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Then did I somehow miss the part when they said Maury was in Level 5? Because I'm fairly certain that this is speculation. Darmenos 22:12, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, he was seen in Angela's dream, but obviously that's not necessarily reality (yet). However, writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said that Maury was in Level 5 when answering fan questions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Nathan was seeing Linderman in his hospital room before the Level 5 breakout. Does this strike anyone else as a continuity error? Even if Maury is powerful enough to be able to create a vision like that from within Level 5, I don't know how Maury could have been part of Arthur's plan before escaping. - Only3Penguins
Yeah, it looks like Maury had escaped Level 5 before the big escape caused by Sylar/Elle. The big question is who helped him.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing, because when Nathan asked if he was telepathic, Linderman chuckled, which gave me the clue. From Graphic Novel:Doyle, we learn that there's something in Level 5 that prevents the captives from using their abilities (though Michael can use his), so if Maury was in Level 5 when Nathan was shot, he wouldn't have been able to see Maury. --Bob (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

i have another worst question. how did he managed to escaped from his nightmare that matt put him to? --Manwithnoname 07:19, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

On Maury's telepathic specters...

Maury can generate specters with his telepathy. he has created specters of DL {Out of Time} and Linderman (this season). Shouldn't the histories of those specters be put on Maury's character history rather than those characters' respective histories?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

I was about to ask the same thing. Cyfin 01:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Maybe he's not really dead?

Maybe Maury got into everyone nearby's mind and projected an illusion before it looked like Arthur snapped his neck and he dropped to the floor? As much of a bad father he was, his "last" words and insistence on protecting Matt (a counterpoint to how Arthur treated Peter) made me feel sympathy for him. --Torley 23:07, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

It seems plausible. I don't think Maury would be stupid enough to go against Arthur like that... maybe he took a precaution and cast an illusion. But for now, we should probably leave him as deceased. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Considering that Arthur has the ability of telepathy i highly doubt he would be able to fool Arthur. Arthur has shown himself to be a powerful yet intelligent foe.--ACDC1989 07:27, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Perhaps he didn't consider using telepathy since he believes Maury to be dead... and of course, he thinks he's always right. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 07:33, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Well when matt was fighting nathan in an illusion, his telepathy spontaneously kicked in and canceled out the illusion. It doesn't appear to need conscious thoughtGamerelite1 21:57, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

The gallery...

It seems Maury's gallery is more focused on his ability (Nathan and Matt's dream dual, Molly's nightmare) than Maury himself... JackOfBloodyHearts 03:33, 6 November 2008 (EST)

  • Yeah, good catch. There's maybe two images that are there that would "belong". Most are not illustrative of the subject of the article. In fact, I don't think the page needs a gallery at all. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:10, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Birth: 1942

If you look at Matt's birth certificate, it details someone (presumably a parent) who was 26 years of age when Matt was born on June 10, 1968. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

  • On that form (see here for an unobscured version), the mother is listed first, not the father. If we ever find out anything about Mrs. Parkman, we can add that she was 26 when Matt was born. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    • However, that same birth certificate also says she was born in 1939. If she were 26 when Matt was born in 1968, she would have been born in 1942. See here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2009 (EST)

Maury's escape.

I've been thinking about how Maury might have escaped from his nightmare prison. So far everybody who has been trapped inside a nightmare (Molly, Nathan and Angela)have all required the assistance of another telepath (Matt) to help them break free. So I've come to thew conclusion that one needs some kind of telepathic powers to escape a nightmare,now Maury certainly has telepathy but he was being kept in the nightmare by Matt. However Matt is not as strong as Maury and may have lost his control when he was teleported to Africa allowing Maury his chance to escape the nightmare and be awake and alert enough to escape Level 5 when Elle blew the grid. Sure this doesn't explain how Nathan was seeing Linderman before the breakout, but lets just chalk that up to yet another season 3 continuity error. What do you guys think? D Toccs 23:15, 30 December 2008 (EST)

  • only problem I have is saying that matt lost control when he was teleported to africa. There is nothing saying that a telepath has to constantly try to keep a person in their prison. He most likely broke himself free after some hard work.

Matt's age when Maury left

Didn't Maury leave when Matt was 10, the year that Maury becoming the 12th founder?--Blood69 21:15, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

    • 13, but this puts it in 1982, meaning he worked with the Company for four years before leaving for good. --Ricard Desi 22:43, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

Stub

Can anyone fill in this stub? I don't recall what A Heros Quest is? ~~IHH—Talk 19:25, 11 August 2015 (EDT)

  • It was a blog that Hiro kept. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
    • Well do you know how to fulfill this stub? ~~IHH—Talk 11:33, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
      • Yes, but not off the top of my head. If have to do some digging. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:28, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
        • Okay, well it is my goal now to get these stubs DOWN! ~~IHH—Talk 00:03, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
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