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Actors/characters

Hank Stratton (image)

Doug Douglas (image)

Sasha Pieterse (image)

Amanda Strazzulla (image)

Dusty Sorg (image)

Caleb (image)

Beowulf     Beowulf (upload)

Miss Lovegood (image)

-- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 14:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Are we sure that Beowulf portrays Miss Lovegood? Where is that information coming from? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:02, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Where are Angela's butlers/servants?--Ratclaws 20:13, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • They were uncredited. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Mohinder and Rene

They were credited as appearing, but where were they?--Ratclaws 22:07, 23 November 2009 (EST)

• Mohinder was 8 wks in the future and Rene wasn't there... ~~IHH—Talk 22:11, 23 November 2009 (EST)
  • Mohinder was 8 weeks in the past. Just saying... --King Zach 03:37, 24 November 2009
    • In the original version of the episode (circa two or three months ago) Rene was supposed to be in the episode...but I can't say much more than that. I don't know if there was a scene that was filmed and cut, if there was a scene that was written and cut, or if there was a scene that was moved to another episode. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • René is seen in the flashback of Claire and Gretchen. --Juba 09:09, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • The opening "previously on" segment is not part of the episode. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2009 (EST)

I didn't see Rene listed in the opening credits... --CourtesyofTVRage.com 01:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Nope, you are right.. Sendhil was credited but Jimmy-Jean Louis wasn't. I think he wasn't in the episode either. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 13:59, 24 November 2009 (EST)
• I was expecting Rene to be there to wipe Doug's memory of Claire cutting herself. Would bet that was deleted.

Redemption Timeline

Well, we already had a pretty good idea that this season takes place in 2009, and this episode took place on Thanksgiving, so this episode would be November 26, 2009. Time to start placing Volume Five events... --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:54, 23 November 2009 (EST)

• Although you're correct that this takes place on Thanksgiving, and almost definitely correct that it is meant to take place in 2009, if we place this entire season in 2009, it would automatically negate other canon sources. Since the timeline is off and canon sources contradict each other, we won't be able to place any events for Volume Five. See here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • While I agree the timeline's a mess, since the start of Volume Five, all signs point to 2009 as far as I've seen. At the very least, The Caged Bird (a Vol.3 GN) takes place in October 2007, so this would have to at least be 2008. During Thanksgiving break, I'm going to be looking through the old episodes and see what I can to do reconstruct some kind of timeline out of it (already starting with the comics on User:Ricard_Desi/Condensed_timeline). But stuff that is related to this episode (some of the surrounding episodes, Slow Burn, Part 9, and details surrounding Suresh's, Joseph's, and Danko's deaths) would fall in late Autumn 2009. --Ricard Desi (t,c)
    • The most maneuverable split is between volumes 3 and 4. The only in-series time that a date was stated between there was Tracy saying that she hadn't seen Nathan in 2 months. That's not necessarily the night of the Pinehearst fire. It's the only thing that works. In fact, even if this season is taking place in 2007, there is more than a 2-month split between volumes 3 and 4 anyway. Also, please somebody do something about the dumb thing where October 1st is the date of the eclipse. You realize that means that Claire and Zach went to school on a Sunday, right? Not to mention the fact that Sylar's watch tells the day of the month (September 24 + 4 days = September 28, the day of the eclipse--and not a school day!). And not every episode takes place only on one day. That whole timeline is a nightmare. NileQT87 00:45, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • There are other sources that point to 2007...but this is not the place to discuss the timeline. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Hiro/Angela/Sylathan

Hiro loses his memory once again and Angela near gets killed the sylar-way for the third time. Lol @ Hiro thinking Lydia was trying to seduce him. When "Nathan" changed back to Sylar I thought that was it but "Nathan" was able to resurface?? I thought Sylar was the one in control. --JLYK

I'm assuming Nathan and Sylar will duke it out (or nathan will be killed somehow, as evident from the firing of Adrian Pasdar), and Sylar will gain control fully. As per the Hiro story line, I believe now that the "earth splitting" future is set in motion, with the Hiro that was killed by Ando in season 3 being the one that just lost his memories and travelled to the past or future somewhere. I really like where this season is going. It's dynamic for the first time in a while. Instead of focusing on every character in one episode, there are a select few during each episode, which is exactly what I had hoped for. I also like that the story line is unpredictable. I am surprised with every episode that airs. This by far has been my favorite season. Dean 01:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Agree, Dean. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:29, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Yes, this season is as good as season 1. The only difference is that season 1 had more action while this season focuses alot on drama. There are lots of twists which you do not expect and this episode, thanksgiving, was great. It gets more exciting by the minute. For example, the return of Sylar (it was expected but maybe not like this), Hiro helping Edgar, Hiro and Lydia. --JLYK

Damien

So can we conclude from this that Damien's powers include more than simply memory restoration? He made Hiro forget various events that occurred to him since he came to the carnival, or rewound his memories, or... something more then merely projecting/restoring lost memories. And the events we saw in the memory flash were things that Hiro hadn't forgotten, so they weren't "restored." --CourtesyofTVRage.com 02:42, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Are we certain that it was memory erasure? It could be, but for it, the first thing that came to my mind was that he did something akin to a system restoration, kinda like you do when something happens to your computer. It doesn't necessarily erases things, but it makes them just as they were in a certain point in the past. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • I get the impression Samuel trusts Damien far more than he should. The only two times we've seen Damien do something, it had the opposite effect to what Samuel intended. :D --Cosmic AC 16:31, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • If you perform a restoration, it does "necessarily" erase things: it erases everything after the system reset point you're restoring from. That's often the point of a system restore: to erase malware, viruses, and so on. Also, Damien didn't "reset" Sylar's memories. He didn't forget his arrest, the police captain, the psychiatrist, etc., all of which he met after the "reset" point." What he did to Sylar and what he did to Hiro are two different (but almost certainly related) things. We don't know the full extent of what he can do, but it is clearly more than just giving people memories they used to have but don't now (as was the case with Sylar). We'll know more with Hiro's next appearance, but odds are the power is going to need to be renamed/updated. --CourtesyofTVRage.com 23:39, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Also, on the Memory Restoration page, the caption of an example even says "Damien manipulates Hiro's memories. So why not call it Memory Manipulation? --CourtesyofTVRage.com 23:34, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Sylar

"What's for dinner? I'm STARVED." This is even better than "I'm back." --JLYK

• Sylar had some scary dialogue in this one. "Time to carve the turkey" sent shivers down my spine. Not to mention the "evil incarnate" vow... Swm 08:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • In fact, the whole Petrelli story line in this episode was seriously tense and very scary in a non-horror way, if you get what I mean. Smouvy 18:40, 24 November 2009 (GMT)

Watson

Hey, does anyone think that when Hiro was talking about Watson, he meant Ando? I mean, Watson was Sherlock Holmes' sidekick and Ando is Hiro's sidekick. I know it's a long shot but I just thought I'd put it out there :) -- SlicinDicinEdgar

• That's the only sense I could make of it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • Its Mary Jane Watson, Spiderman's girlfriend, a reference to Charlie-- By Danko CH 12:11, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, because Hiro says that Charlie is his Mary Jane in Once Upon a Time in the Burnt Toast Diner in Midland, Texas on Earth. --DocM 13:44, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Oh yeah, that makes total sense! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:01, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • But wouldn't he call her Mary Jane instead of Watson? It just sounds a bit funny if Spider-Man yelled to the Green Goblin "Give me back Watson!! instead of "Give me back Mary Jane" -- |SlicinDicinEdgar
          • He is most likely talking about Charlie. Why would he be talking about Holmes? But the backwardsness is the point. Spider Man wouldn't say that. But we don't know what Damien did to Hiro, so Hiro is now talking backwards. ~~IHH—Talk 23:17, 24 November 2009 (EST)
            • I think if he was referring to Charlie he would say "MJ" or "Mary Jane" and not "Watson" but then again Ando doesn't need Hiro's help so it's confusing to see why he would help Ando. --Dman dustin 23:25, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Edgar is awesome!!

So glad that Hiro saved Edgar and he didn't end up dead. Hopefully he won't be gone long and will come back and take Samuel down! SlicinDicinEdgar

Yeah i'm an Edgar fan as well -Yippee ki ya 15:49, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Edgar was great in this episode, all he needs to do now is team up with Peter and kick some Carnival butt! :D --Ellexoxo 16:09, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• I got so angry when Samuel said, "Make yourself useful." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:02, 24 November 2009 (EST)

New actors/characters

Can somebody place the new actors and characters? -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 11:02, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• Will do. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 14:02, 24 November 2009 (EST)

GO VOLUME 5!

Another mint ep, Samuel and Sylar, now 2 villains on the loose, both evil and powerful. I can't wait to see what happens to them in the rest of the volume. Thats just those two. Theres loads of characters have great new storylines this volume!-- By Danko CH 12:16, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• I second that, this volume is just getting better and better. Can't wait to see where it goes next!! - Jenx222 | U / T / C 12:18, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • Same. I kind of like the different side of Hiro with the fact that for once he did not do the right thing, and thought about Charlie before stopping the villain (when Sam Sullivan blamed Edgar for Joey Sullivan's death).--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:23, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • I concur. Swm 13:29, 24 November 2009 (EST)
      • Wow, i really like where this is heading. OMG it's the Peter/Sylar battle all-over again :D I hope that Peter will be strong again and take on Sylar, maybe doing a little bit of time-traveling while he's there... I'm also curious where Hiro ends up :D BTW does anyone already know if there's going to be a volume 7?? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 13:37, 24 November 2009 (EST)
        • Do you mean 6th Volume?, lol, Not to sure but Heroes is going to be moving back to the 9pm prime time slot so this could be a good sign, I hope there's another volume - Jenx222 | U / T / C 13:44, 24 November 2009 (EST)
          • Yeah i meant the 6th&7th volume. I sure hope they will be around for another year. They made some excellent aprovements to the show, i really like the storyline. -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C) 14:01, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Anyone notice the similarity to angela's dream?

In the first episode of volume 5 she had a dream where sylar kissed her and asked "what have you done to me?" And then the scene played out right after that. Then in this episode the same thing happened.Gamerelite1 15:22, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• I didn't catch that, but I can see what you mean. I like the little callbacks to previous episodes, it makes it feel more cohesive. What makes me nervous is when Sylar kissed Angela. It made me realize that he's touched Angela multiple times in this episode and now is able to transform into her. We might be looking at some more Bennet vs. Bennet style shape shifting moments... uh-oh. Shallon 16:10, 24 November 2009 (EST)
  • He's also touched Peter too. --mc_hammark 16:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)
    • I thought Sylar's kiss was perfect. My wife and I were both sufficiently skeeved out. What a sick and twisted weirdo he is! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:04, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Anyone else waiting for the....

I was sure Peter was going to do something to slyar, something like "You don't think i'd leave you here with Sylar in you and not take an ability to protect myself" moment. Alas the plot turned, at least this way we might a get a dual more than 10 seconds long since after the first season. I also wasn't expecting Damien, Amanda or Lauren to show up again, that was a nice suprise :D --Fr0z3nB0nes 18:45, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• I can't give details, but the way the script was originally written was quite different in this spot. I like how it turned out, and I'm very curious if they are going to transpose some of the changes to another episode, or if those changes are gone forever. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:05, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Carnival

Wasn´t Joseph supposed to keep Samuel away from people with abilities to restrain his powers? How come all those special dudes are gathered, apparently for a long time? --Cortez 21:18, 24 November 2009 (EST)

• I don't think he meant to keep everybody away from him. I think he was meant to keep the number of evolved humans down to a reasonable number. We don't know how long the carnies have all been there...but we can assume that not as many people worked for the carnival while Joseph was alive. I don't know how many it was, but I assume it was a "moderate" number, as opposed to the huge number that Samuel is currently amassing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 24 November 2009 (EST)