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{{plus}} It is unclear how the compass tattoo appeared on Peter's arm, but since Samuel was smiling, it may be because Peter somehow replicated [[Terrakinesis|his ability]].<br /> |
{{plus}} It is unclear how the compass tattoo appeared on Peter's arm, but since Samuel was smiling, it may be because Peter somehow replicated [[Terrakinesis|his ability]].<br /> |
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:{{note}} Samuel could have put the tattoo there when he and Peter shook hands.<br /> |
:{{note}} Samuel could have put the tattoo there when he and Peter shook hands.<br /> |
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{{note}} Peter did lose his enhanced speed and gain terrakinesis when they shook hands, although when Peter grabbed Emma, he unintentionally replicated her ability. He could have replicated it passively because he could connect with her; it can be a sign that his empathy is returning.<br /> |
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:{{note}} He lost [[super speed]] when he replicated Emma's ability; with empathic mimicry he would have been able to retain both.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} When Peter grabbed Emma, he unintentionally replicated her ability.<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} He could have replicated it passively because he could connect with her, it can be a sign that his empathy is returning.<br /> |
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::::{{note}} At that point, he was still getting used to his new, limited ability, now that he has control over them, it could be a sign that it's becoming stronger.<br /> |
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:::::::{{plus}} At that point, he was still getting used to his new, limited ability, now that he has control over them, it could be a sign that it's becoming stronger.<br /> |
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| [[Samuel]]'s [[Sullivan Bros. Carnival|family]] got new members thanks to [[Micah Sanders|Rebel]] and [[Leona Mills|Ellen]]. || None || {{plus}} [[Sabine Hazel]] is at the carnival and was helped by people.<br /> |
| [[Samuel]]'s [[Sullivan Bros. Carnival|family]] got new members thanks to [[Micah Sanders|Rebel]] and [[Leona Mills|Ellen]]. || None || {{plus}} [[Sabine Hazel]] is at the carnival and was helped by people.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Lydia notes that the carnival has obtained many new "family members" recently, more so than is typical (something she is concerned that Joseph would not have approved of). <br /> |
{{plus}} Lydia notes that the carnival has obtained many new "family members" recently, more so than is typical (something she is concerned that Joseph would not have approved of). <br /> |
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{{minus}} Micah wants to help people, not for them becoming evil, so he wouldn't send them to the carnival.<br /> |
{{minus}} Micah wants to help people, not for them becoming evil, so he wouldn't send them to the carnival.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Micah isn't omniscient, and there is no proof the carnival itself is evil. Only Samuel has displayed evil |
:{{plus}} Micah isn't omniscient, and there is no proof the carnival itself is evil. Only Samuel has displayed evil.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} If Samuel had been met by members of Rebel, he would have either bamboozled them into staying or destroyed their lives until joining his 'family' seemed like the only option.<br /> |
::{{minus}} If Samuel had been met by members of Rebel, he would have either bamboozled them into staying or destroyed their lives until joining his 'family' seemed like the only option.<br /> |
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:::{{plus}} Samuel's path of insistence may not have begun until he killed Joseph. Alternatively, while Building 26 was still active, he may have felt that Rebel was more important out in the field saving evolved humans rather than with him at the carnival.<br /> |
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| [[Samuel]] is a John the Baptist/Christ figure. || None || {{plus}} He baptized Sylar to welcome him into [[Carnival|his family]].<br /> |
| [[Samuel]] is a John the Baptist/Christ figure. || None || {{plus}} He baptized Sylar to welcome him into [[Carnival|his family]].<br /> |
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{{minus}} Samuel needed Chandra's film, not to kill Mohinder.<br /> |
{{minus}} Samuel needed Chandra's film, not to kill Mohinder.<br /> |
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| [[Samuel]] and [[Sylar]] will have a fight. || None || {{plus}} Sylar might see [[terrakinesis]] as a useful ability to have.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Samuel wants to keep Charlie hidden from Hiro, but presumably wants Hiro to do something with Mohinder. For obvious reasons, keeping them together would be illogical.<br /> |
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| [[Samuel]] and [[Sylar]] will have a fight. || None || {{plus}} If Sylar gets his memories back, he might see [[terrakinesis]] as a useful ability to have.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar has eventually turned on every single person who has ever tried to recruit him.<br /> |
{{plus}} Sylar has eventually turned on every single person who has ever tried to recruit him.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Also, if Gabriel found out about what Samuel's been doing to recruit new family members, he might take Samuel on for moral reasons.<br /> |
{{plus}} Also, if Gabriel found out about what Samuel's been doing to recruit new family members, he might take Samuel on for moral reasons.<br /> |
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:::{{minus}} Samuel can't multiply his power on his own, he becomes more powerful in the presence of more evolved humans, if the Carnival was all gone he would be at his weakest.<br /> |
:::{{minus}} Samuel can't multiply his power on his own, he becomes more powerful in the presence of more evolved humans, if the Carnival was all gone he would be at his weakest.<br /> |
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::::{{note}} It is currently unknown what the specifics are behind Samuel's power enhancements, he may able able to "retain" the force he absorbs from evolved humans for use at a later date.<br /> |
::::{{note}} It is currently unknown what the specifics are behind Samuel's power enhancements, he may able able to "retain" the force he absorbs from evolved humans for use at a later date.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Hiro is not the killing type.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Hiro wouldn't kill them, but he would trap them somewhere in time.<br /> |
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| Samuel was responsible for the destruction of Tokyo that Hiro witnessed in "Villains". || None || {{plus}} Samuel's power is amplified by the presence of other ability users.<br /> |
| Samuel was responsible for the destruction of Tokyo that Hiro witnessed in "Villains". || None || {{plus}} Samuel's power is amplified by the presence of other ability users.<br /> |
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{{plus}} In this future, abilities were widespread and common, potentially amplifying Samuel's [[terrakinesis]] to untold heights.<br /> |
:{{plus}} In this future, abilities were widespread and common, potentially amplifying Samuel's [[terrakinesis]] to untold heights.<br /> |
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{{minus}} This future may no longer exist in the present timeline.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hiro may have time traveled into an alternate time line.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} It's not possible to travel to an future alternate time-line. A future from one point in time is the future which events still to come affect and cause. Only by changing these events does the future become an alternate time line.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Samuel has stated that the future can still be the same with only some changes; one of these could be the lack of powers among the general population and the formula.<br /> |
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| Samuel will split the earth in half accidentally. || None || {{plus}} Peter lost control of his [[induced radioactivity]] because it was too much for him to handle. If Samuel is surrounded by too many evolved humans, supercharged, or both it may be too much for him to contain. This will cause him to lose control like Peter did, but on a much larger scale.<br /> |
| Samuel will split the earth in half accidentally. || None || {{plus}} Peter lost control of his [[induced radioactivity]] because it was too much for him to handle. If Samuel is surrounded by too many evolved humans, supercharged, or both it may be too much for him to contain. This will cause him to lose control like Peter did, but on a much larger scale.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Prior to Hiro acquiring the Coyote Sands film from eight weeks ago, Samuel did not know what specifically makes his power stronger.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Prior to Hiro acquiring the Coyote Sands film from eight weeks ago, Samuel did not know what specifically makes his power stronger.<br /> |
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{{plus}} It would make sense why he gets stronger only near people with abilities.<br /> |
{{plus}} It would make sense why he gets stronger only near people with abilities.<br /> |
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| Samuel's ability could be an ability related to empathic mimicry. || None || {{plus}} Similar to the way that Peter's DNA filled in like a mosaic to replicate abilities, Samuel's DNA may do something similar after being exposed to individuals with abilities. However, instead of acquiring more abilities, his original ability becomes more refined.<br /> |
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| Evolved humans with more potent abilities give Samuel more power then those average or mundane abilities. || None || {{plus}} Samuel goes out of his way to obtain powerful individuals, even when it is incredibly difficult to do so. For example, he went to great lengths to try and recruit [[Jeremy Greer]], even though Jeremy was mentally unstable, dangerous and incarcerated. If every evolved human gave Samuel the same amount of power, it is doubtful that he would go after Jeremy as opposed to a less difficult target.<br /> |
| Evolved humans with more potent abilities give Samuel more power then those average or mundane abilities. || None || {{plus}} Samuel goes out of his way to obtain powerful individuals, even when it is incredibly difficult to do so. For example, he went to great lengths to try and recruit [[Jeremy Greer]], even though Jeremy was mentally unstable, dangerous and incarcerated. If every evolved human gave Samuel the same amount of power, it is doubtful that he would go after Jeremy as opposed to a less difficult target.<br /> |
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{{note}} Eli's clones are like shells of the root person, so calling them each an evolved human might be too generous.<br /> |
{{note}} Eli's clones are like shells of the root person, so calling them each an evolved human might be too generous.<br /> |
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| Samuel will be defeated by Sylar |
| Samuel will be defeated by Sylar. || None || {{plus}} Sylar has a powerful combination of powers that would give him a chance against a fully powered Samuel.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Samuel has the power to potentially split the earth in half. Sylar does not possess that amount of power.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Samuel has the power to potentially split the earth in half. Sylar does not possess that amount of power.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar would want to steal his power.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Only Samuel and Mohinder know Samuel's power is magnified by other evolved humans.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Only Samuel and Mohinder know Samuel's power is magnified by other evolved humans.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Sylar may not remember Samuel.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Sylar may not remember Samuel.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} No matter how strong Sylar's motivation is, Samuel is exponentially more powerful.<br /> |
:{{minus}} No matter how strong Sylar's motivation is, Samuel is exponentially more powerful.<br /> |
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| Samuel will use his power to create a giant rock man, much like Uluru. || None ||{{plus}} His ability would allow him to do this.<br /> |
| Samuel will use his power to create a giant rock man, much like Uluru. || None ||{{plus}} His ability would allow him to do this.<br /> |
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{{plus}} It could add to the drama, like Claire being Nathan's biological daughter.<br /> |
{{plus}} It could add to the drama, like Claire being Nathan's biological daughter.<br /> |
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| Samuel will hurt [[Claire]] to get [[Sylar]] back to his carnival. || None. || {{plus}} Sylar is acting strange when Claire is around |
| Samuel will hurt [[Claire]] to get [[Sylar]] back to his carnival. || None. || {{plus}} Sylar is acting strange when Claire is around; maybe he is in love.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Samuel risks to be [[Brain removal|hurt]] by Sylar, then.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Samuel risks to be [[Brain removal|hurt]] by Sylar, then.<br /> |
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::{{note}} Samuel appears to be more powerful than Sylar.<br /> |
::{{note}} Samuel appears to be more powerful than Sylar.<br /> |
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::::::{{note}} Sylar has been one of the main villains since the start of the show, excluding Arthur Petrelli's storyline. It would be bad writing to continue to near omnipotence after using him for so long.<br /> |
::::::{{note}} Sylar has been one of the main villains since the start of the show, excluding Arthur Petrelli's storyline. It would be bad writing to continue to near omnipotence after using him for so long.<br /> |
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::{{note}} Samuel was quite insistent on bringing back Sylar's true self. It's unlikely that he would do that if he had no way to contain him.<br /> |
::{{note}} Samuel was quite insistent on bringing back Sylar's true self. It's unlikely that he would do that if he had no way to contain him.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Samuel may know this because Lydia [[Empathy|told him]].<br /> |
:{{plus}} Samuel may know this because Lydia [[Empathy|told him]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Samuel wants Sylar back, and Samuel isn't after Claire.<br /> |
{{plus}} Samuel wants Sylar back, and Samuel isn't after Claire.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Samuel chose Sylar instead of Peter because he would have never followed him. It's been clear his power limitation is absolutely not considered as a problem on the show (all Peter's lines about it, Samuel saying he can replace Joseph and of course, Samuel being a one power guy, which means Peter is at least as powerful), the only way he could get to Peter, is by having Claire with him. Exactly what he did with Hiro and Charlie. Claire's link is Peter, even more since his brother just died. It would make no sense if it was Sylar (who already escaped and who has no person who means anything to him now he's psycho killer again so he can't be blackmailed). The only way to corrupt a hero is to use their close relative. He did it with Hiro, it seems logical it's the same he wants with Peter. He knew Sylar wouldn't have trouble with killing or doing bad deeds "for the carnival", and he also knew Pete would never do it. Just like Hiro.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Samuel chose Sylar instead of Peter because he would have never followed him. It's been clear his power limitation is absolutely not considered as a problem on the show (all Peter's lines about it, Samuel saying he can replace Joseph and of course, Samuel being a one power guy, which means Peter is at least as powerful), the only way he could get to Peter, is by having Claire with him. Exactly what he did with Hiro and Charlie. Claire's link is Peter, even more since his brother just died. It would make no sense if it was Sylar (who already escaped and who has no person who means anything to him now he's psycho killer again so he can't be blackmailed). The only way to corrupt a hero is to use their close relative. He did it with Hiro, it seems logical it's the same he wants with Peter. He knew Sylar wouldn't have trouble with killing or doing bad deeds "for the carnival", and he also knew Pete would never do it. Just like Hiro.<br /> |
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| Samuel has some method to manipulate [[Sylar]]. || None || {{plus}} Samuel tried repeatedly to bring back Sylar's memories during his short stay at the carnival. He appears to know how dangerous Sylar is ([[Edgar]] said "I heard you steal abilities"). Also, Lydia has presumably told Samuel any pertinent information concerning Sylar with her [[empathy|ability]]. Therefore, he must have some way to manipulate Sylar, otherwise he risks losing his [[Sullivan Bros. Carnival|family]].<br /> |
| Samuel has some method to manipulate [[Sylar]]. || None || {{plus}} Samuel tried repeatedly to bring back Sylar's memories during his short stay at the carnival. He appears to know how dangerous Sylar is ([[Edgar]] said "I heard you steal abilities"). Also, Lydia has presumably told Samuel any pertinent information concerning Sylar with her [[empathy|ability]]. Therefore, he must have some way to manipulate Sylar, otherwise he risks losing his [[Sullivan Bros. Carnival|family]].<br /> |
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| Samuel's plan is to create a new continent for people with abilities. || None || {{plus}} |
| Samuel's plan is to create a new continent for people with abilities. || None || {{plus}} Samuel is powerful enough to move continents so he can create a new one.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Samuel is powerful enough to move continents so he can create a new one.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Creation of a new continent will not go unnoticed and will attract too much attention to evolved humans, which may cause a war.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Creation of a new continent will not go unnoticed and will attract too much attention to evolved humans, which may cause a war.<br /> |
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::{{note}} A continent of evolved humans would be hard to defeat.<br /> |
::{{note}} A continent of evolved humans would be hard to defeat.<br /> |
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Revision as of 08:59, 22 December 2009
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The following fan theories are about Samuel Sullivan.
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| Samuel will get killed off by someone from the carnival. | None | + Nobody seems to like him.
+ If the carnies find out that Samuel sees them as little more than glorified batteries, they might form a mob and lynch him.
+ Samuel blackmails the Bowmans (Smoke & Mirrors), and in an alternate ending of iStory he kills Chris. The Bowmans may rise against him.
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| Samuel wants Peter to regain empathic mimicry. | Doesn't mean it's possible, though. | + Lydia said Samuel tries to fill the void of Joseph's death. It was implied that Samuel wants to fill it with Peter, whom he seems to be very interested in. + It is unclear how the compass tattoo appeared on Peter's arm, but since Samuel was smiling, it may be because Peter somehow replicated his ability.
• Peter did lose his enhanced speed and gain terrakinesis when they shook hands, although when Peter grabbed Emma, he unintentionally replicated her ability. He could have replicated it passively because he could connect with her; it can be a sign that his empathy is returning.
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| Samuel's family got new members thanks to Rebel and Ellen. | None | + Sabine Hazel is at the carnival and was helped by people. + Having Micah helping people to safety by moving them to the carnival makes sense.
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| Samuel is a John the Baptist/Christ figure. | None | + He baptized Sylar to welcome him into his family. - This could just be symbolic of new carnival members being reborn into a new life. |
| Samuel is the Heroes equivalent of Magneto. | None | + Samuel Sullivan is an egomaniac evolved human with an extremely prejudiced view of humans and a penchant for destruction. That sounds a lot like Magneto. • We fear the unknown, as Albus Dumbledore said in Harry Potter 6. Humans were prejudiced as well. And in the first X-Men film, we see that Magneto was a Holocaust survivor. Hitler was scared of the Jews because he didn't understand. And remember in the episode 1961, "Nazis" were mentioned by Charles Deveaux.
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| Samuel tried to travel back further in time to kill Mohinder, but failed. | None | + Samuel wouldn't have any reason to kill Mohinder at the point he thought he did. - Samuel needed Chandra's film, not to kill Mohinder. |
| Samuel and Sylar will have a fight. | None | + Sylar might see terrakinesis as a useful ability to have. + Sylar has eventually turned on every single person who has ever tried to recruit him.
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| Samuel will find Ando, who will supercharge his ability, causing the Earth to split in half. | None | + It would be the ultimate evil action to do as a villain.
+ This may occur as an unintended consequence of them encountering each other, rather than a master plan on Samuel's part. |
| Samuel wants someone who can carry multiple abilities like Sylar or an empath so he will not have to recruit a new member every time he needs to use a certain ability. | None | + Not every person with an ability will mesh with the rest of the carnival. Having a mimic (or someone with intuitive aptitude) would eliminate the need for such people.
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| Samuel and his family are somehow connected to Ricky (Caitlin's brother) and his crew. | None | • Samuel said his and Joseph's first family "didn't work out too well". + Ricky calls his crew his family. Samuel calls the carnival his family.
• Ricky's crew and members of the carnival all have circle-like tattoos on their arms.
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| Samuel will split the earth in half because someone in the family/all of his family will be killed. | None | + Hiro could trap the entire carnival to get information about Charlie's whereabouts, breaking Samuel's heart, making him break the earth.
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| Samuel was responsible for the destruction of Tokyo that Hiro witnessed in "Villains". | None | + Samuel's power is amplified by the presence of other ability users.
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| Samuel will split the earth in half accidentally. | None | + Peter lost control of his induced radioactivity because it was too much for him to handle. If Samuel is surrounded by too many evolved humans, supercharged, or both it may be too much for him to contain. This will cause him to lose control like Peter did, but on a much larger scale.
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| Samuel gets stronger with every ability around him, not every evolved human. | None | + That may be the reason why Samuel wants someone with more abilities.
+ It would make sense why he gets stronger only near people with abilities. |
| Evolved humans with more potent abilities give Samuel more power then those average or mundane abilities. | None | + Samuel goes out of his way to obtain powerful individuals, even when it is incredibly difficult to do so. For example, he went to great lengths to try and recruit Jeremy Greer, even though Jeremy was mentally unstable, dangerous and incarcerated. If every evolved human gave Samuel the same amount of power, it is doubtful that he would go after Jeremy as opposed to a less difficult target. + This may also be why Samuel was interested in recruiting Peter and Sylar - they have multiple abilities and may be able to increase his power more than other evolved humans. |
| Samuel wants Tracy to find Eli so he can make Eli clone himself, rapidly increasing evolved human numbers around him so he can make himself more powerful. | None | + Samuel's ability gets stronger when there are more evolved humans around him.
- Samuel sent Tracy to find Eli before learning that.
• It isn't known if Eli's clones can clone themselves, that is, if they also possess the ability. Julien's clones couldn't replicate, but Evan's could. |
| Samuel will be defeated by Sylar. | None | + Sylar has a powerful combination of powers that would give him a chance against a fully powered Samuel.
+ Sylar would want to steal his power.
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| Samuel will use his power to create a giant rock man, much like Uluru. | None | + His ability would allow him to do this.
+ It would be a good way for him to cause destruction if he wanted to, without putting himself in immediate danger. |
| Samuel was more responsible than Alice Shaw or Angela in what happened in Coyote Sands. | Mr. Suresh had to have some way to know what Samuel was all about and everything was covered in sand quite easily, a sandstorm is way more than mere uncontrolled weather. | + Samuel has made time controlling individuals help him travel. + Samuel is probably the one that split the world when artificial powers made him overcharged. What could have happened in Coyote Sands, where many powerful individuals were brought together?
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| Samuel will not split the world in half. | None | + It would be a horrible way to end the show. + The Heroes always save the world. |
| Samuel and Alice Shaw will meet up somehow, and use their abilities together to cause massive destruction. | None | + Their abilities (terrakinesis and weather control) compliment each other, one controls the ground while the other controls the sky. + Samuel and Alice both seem to bear some responsibility for the destruction of Coyote Sands. This may have been foreshadowing what is to come. |
| Samuel Sullivan's mother is Kelly Sullivan, the adoptive mother of Niki Sanders. | None | + They have the same last name. - They seem too distant. |
| Samuel will hurt Claire to get Sylar back to his carnival. | None. | + Sylar is acting strange when Claire is around; maybe he is in love.
+ Samuel wants Sylar back, and Samuel isn't after Claire.
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| Samuel has some method to manipulate Sylar. | None | + Samuel tried repeatedly to bring back Sylar's memories during his short stay at the carnival. He appears to know how dangerous Sylar is (Edgar said "I heard you steal abilities"). Also, Lydia has presumably told Samuel any pertinent information concerning Sylar with her ability. Therefore, he must have some way to manipulate Sylar, otherwise he risks losing his family. |
| Samuel's plan is to create a new continent for people with abilities. | None | + Samuel is powerful enough to move continents so he can create a new one.
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