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Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine poison emission's name.
Source/Explanation
Maya "emits a plague ... that makes people sick"--Tim Kring, episode commentary for The Kindness of Strangers; Maya uses the word "poison" to describe her ability in Powerless.

The description is definitely NOT what I got out of this ability. It looked like it came from the stare. Note that before the woman fell to the ground, she seemed stunned. Though, that's probably just 'cause Maya had black crap coming from her eyes, I thought it was the stare. I don't see how you guys got "Spread through the air" out of what we saw. I wouldn't call it an infection either, it was fairly instantaneous. --Riddler 22:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Nominated for deletion.

Yeah. This is just too wild. --Riddler 22:33, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Just edit it, I got the essentials down :'(--DarkPhoenix 22:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, it would be a shame to delete it completely... it just potentially has the wrong name. Worst case we can rename it to "Maya's power" for now until we have a good name. (Admin 22:35, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
      • I'd say archive the general information in a user page somewhere, but get rid of the page until we have an accurate name and description.--Riddler 22:36, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Agreed...I'm going to bed...nite all, Heroes 4life--DarkPhoenix 22:37, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Good job on the page content, DarkPhoenix! :) (Admin 22:38, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
            • How is this?

Maya's power is an as-of-yet unnamed ability. He or she with this ability secretes a black liquid from their eyes, and by means unknown, people in the immediate area are die nearly instantaneously. They also secrete the black liquid.

This brings up an idea, for all powers which we don't have a definite name for, label it with the first person we've seen use it?--Riddler 22:40, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

  • I would definitely prefer that (i.e. "Soandso's power") as a placeholder in cases when the name of the power is not given or very obvious rather than a speculative name that often just causes a lot of debate. Whether such a power should go into say the Powers portal at that point or whether it should wait to be named is also up for discussion. (Admin 22:42, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
    • I'd say the same would apply to Bob and Alejandro right now. For Bob, we don't know what exactly he can do other than turn a spoon into gold. For Alejando, we do know that he can reverse Maya's "curse".--Riddler 22:48, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
      • We have a name for Bob's power from the writers. But yeah, Alejandro's is going to be tricky for a while. As for Maya's, I think "Maya's power" is the way to go for now. We have no information about how it works, and the only thing close to a name we have is "black tears", which doesn't really describe a power.--Hardvice (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Not that Bliss and Horror is much of a name either. But you know how since Shanti had a disease Mohinder, the younger, was the key to heal her blood? Ever notice how Alejandro, the younger sibling heals Maya, the elder? Jason Garrick 15:15, 6 October 2007 (EDT)
        • good choice, both for this, and any future powers that have unclear names but obvious holders.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/1/2007 23:52 (EST)
          • Presumably we'll get some sort of explanation for her power when they visit Mohinder. I expect it'll be described along the lines of "toxic secretion". - Hive 19:44, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Stigmapathy - Stigmata is what the appearance of her power is. Seeing how shes crying some black murky type blood. Unless its just nighttime and it just looks black. I deff think the word Stigmata should be used in some part of the phrase to name her power. ---- DeaconRage 05:27, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I'd avoid any reference to stigmata just because stigmata is so religiously loaded. "Stigmata" is usually defined as "bodily marks, sores, or sensations of pain corresponding in location to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus, usually occurring during states of religious ecstasy or hysteria." Traditionally, stigmata corresponds to the five holy wounds: the hands, the feet, and the side of Christ. Bloody tears aren't unknown, but they're much less common, so using "stigmata" in the name is likely to conjure the wrong impression. Additionally, it tends to imply a religious element to her power which just isn't established yet.--Hardvice (talk) 23:50, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


I know it is still early

Even though it is still to early to say I am pretty sure her power is involved with petrification. Joe said that Alejandro's power doesn't work after the people die. Which means that they are not dead yet, which means they have been petrified for a short while.

Rename Part whatever

  • I know that a lot of new powers don't have names and probably won't unless they say them in the show, but I was watching the comentary (i think it's spelled wrong; I'm an awful speller). Anyway I don't remember the episode, whichever one with Tim Kring in the comentary, he said it was a "Plague" that she emits. So a good name for the power would be: "Plague Emition", but this is just a thought.--Patrick 16:07, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that it should be somewhat inclusive about what Tim said. I think that it would be sufficient for the time being until something more is revealed about it.--Bob (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
      • "Plague emission". Yeah, I agree with that as well. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 16:27, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
      • The trouble here is that we're not only using a secondary source to get a name, but using a secondary source to get a definition of how the power works. There's no canon evidence that it's a "plague". They could still change their mind and make it something else. "Plague emission" is probably a safe bet, but it's still based on speculation. Had Tim called it "plague emission", that would be one thing. Instead, he said "she emits a plague". That's the same as any other unconfirmed information in a secondary source, not a power name given by a secondary source.--Hardvice (talk) 16:39, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Barring any good naming from a canon source, I rather like "plague carrier". (Ultimate Powers! Ultimate Powers!) --FissionChips <talk>  17:06, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Tim's comment "she emits a plague" might be worthy of a Note, though. --FissionChips <talk>  17:10, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
          • Sure, it helps to have some comment on how the power works. I think especially in Maya and Alejandro's case, we're not going to have a good handle on the power for a few more episodes. Writers have repeated over and over that they are slowly revealing bits and pieces of the powers each week. I don't think we know all there is to know about the power, and until we know a good deal more, we won't have a name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:37, 25 October 2007 (EDT)
  • according to this site(http://theories.activatingevolution.org/swiki/wiki/index.php/Virogenesis) that virogenesis is her power and this looks like the heros people made it.and it even metions her as having it--Pokejm32 (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Interview with Dania Ramirez

  • Dania sheds some more light on the nature of her ability in this brief interview. Not sure how much weight it gets, however by the way she discusses it it sounds like she knows what she's talking about. (Admin 12:44, 30 October 2007 (EDT))
    • Shouldn't this be renamed now that is named in an interview? --Pinkkeith 10:16, 27 November 2007 (EST)
      • I'm not sure anything in there really constitutes a name for the power. What would you call it? Venom? It's still pretty vague. --Ted C 11:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Virogenesis

"The formation, production, and emission of a virus" Pretty much lays out what Maya's powers are, don't you all think?!

  • Perhaps once there's some in-show confirmation that it actually is a virus. :) --Hardvice (talk) 11:03, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Aren't production and formation the same thing?--ERROR 20:19, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Name Game: Round 2

Sorry to bring this up now guys but I think its time we gave her power a name. Dania has said in interview that is linked somewhere on this website, that she creates a Virus and how it works. Therefor, that is why I would like to prepose we change the name to somthing along the lines of Virus Creation. Feel free to voice your opion.--The Empath 16:14, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

  • They're going to go meet Suresh. We'll get a name. Don't jump the gun.--Riddler 16:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
  • And the viral nature is still not confirmed in-show. It will be. We can talk again then.--Hardvice (talk) 16:50, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
    • And not even confirmed in the interview. She says virus/venom, so it could be in fact a toxin, not a virus. Random guy 15:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Tim Kring's latest interview names Mayas power as...

quote: "Maya can excrete a plague" source-citation With that clear of an description given, can we now call it: Plague Excretion ? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 14:08 (EST)

  • I don't see any reason not to, and it would be in accordance with the naming convention. (Admin 14:23, 29 November 2007 (EST))
    • Then we can call Alejandro's ability "Plague Exorcism"! Get the best of both worlds! --DocM 14:28, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • Sounds fine to me, only I wouldn't use capital letters. It should be "plague excretion". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • The name plague excretion makes the ability sound like it has to do with emptying one's bodily wastes... Hahaha.--Ice Vision 15:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • OK...another name change is in order then.....Death-Butt. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/29/2007 15:10 (EST)
    • Yeah, we can't get another name soon enough. Incidentally, we have "she emits a plague" from the episode commentary, another secondary source. Maybe "plague emission" would help with the rather glaring poo concern?--Hardvice (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • I think that was mentioned before, and it sounds much better to me.--Bob (talk) 15:36, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • Particularly in light of statements like this: "In human terms ‘excreta’ normally refers only to urine and faeces."--Hardvice (talk) 15:43, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • What's wrong with a glaring poo concern? I was thinking of calling it either "oculo-rectal bypass", or "tears of death poo". "Thanatokinesis" is not far behind.--E rowe 17:41, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • "Dacryohyessoukinesis".--Hardvice (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • The word is funny. But the fact that you corrected the spelling deserves a gold star.--E rowe 17:50, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • I wasted enough hours studying classics in college. I figure I may as well use them whenever I get the chance.--Hardvice (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)
              • Is hyessou actually ancient Greek? I couldn't find it in Liddell & Scott and assumed it was modern. I actually had to google it.--E rowe 17:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                • It's decidedly modern. I couldn't remember the word Catullus uses, and "hyessou" is the first one I found, so I went with that.--Hardvice (talk) 18:01, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                  • If we were going for crying in Greek wouldn't it be something like nosodacryosis, toxicodacryosis or thanatodacryosis to cry disease, poison and death respectivly? I would assume the dacryo bit would go at the end because of the medical condition hyperdacryosis which is to cry excessive tears. I wish they'd just call it something officially heh - Tahninial (talk) 00:25, 19 December 2007 (GMT)
                    • The problem with those three words is, for most folks, we have no idea what those words would mean unless we looked them up. The idea is to make the name recognizable (like being heard in the show, or in the case of others, common usage in other medias). -- Lulu .:talk:. 19:43, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Rename

Both "plague excretion" and "plague emission" are based on secondary sources. Please confine the discussion to these two names, other names from secondary sources, or named from canon/near-canon sources only.

  • I'll start: I prefer "plague emission" because "excretion" means "The act or process of discharging waste matter from the blood, tissues, or organs.", and "In human terms ‘excreta’ normally refers only to urine and faeces." (both from answers.com)--Hardvice (talk) 16:00, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Who was it in the commentary that said she "emits" a plague? "Plague emission" definately sound better, but I'd like to know that it came from a writer/producer/director, cause otherwise I think we need to use what Kring said.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:20, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • I believe Tim Kring said that Maya "emits a plague ... that makes people sick" in The Kindness of Strangers commentary. I haven't seen the commentary myself, so don't quote me on that one.--Ice Vision 16:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • Yup, it was Tim, in response to a question from Adrian or Dana (don't remember which off the top of my head).--Hardvice (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • Then I definately prefer "emission".--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • As long as they've actually used the word "emit" in an interview then I agree "plague emission" sounds better and still follows the naming convention. (Admin 16:47, 29 November 2007 (EST))
            • The commentary is sadly no longer up, but I transcribed that quote as precisely as possible at the time because I figured it was worth noting.--Hardvice (talk) 16:50, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • Emission definitely sounds better. Excretion brings to mind crude jokes. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 17:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • I prefer "emission". I also personally tend to hold the commentaries to a slightly higher level of canonicity than interviews. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Virogenesis is best name for Maya power. -- brunoultranova14 22:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • It's not an option because they have never called it that. However they have said she can "emit a plague" which is why it became "plague emission." (Admin 19:51, 29 November 2007 (EST))
        • God, it's about time this article was given a real name.--The Empath 20:04, 29 November 2007 (EST)
          • I'd rather wait and add a good, non-speculative name than rush to add a made-up, probably incorrect name. I think this was handled perfectly--we waited until we had a few secondary sources which corroborated one another, and then went with a name based on them. Of course, there's still the possibility that Mohinder will name it on Monday, in which case it will move again. But "Maya's ability" was a far better name than a speculative suggestion of how we think the power works, and it's how we'll handle other abilities which can't be named without resorting to speculation in the future.--Hardvice (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2007 (EST)
            • I completely agree. I appreciated all the suggestions that came because they generated some talk about the power and some fun speculation, but I appreciate even more that we didn't try to speculate when it came down to actually naming the page. So far, this naming process has been smooth and quite enjoyable in comparison. I would love to see the power name "rise" through the ranks, because then it would be a terrific example of our naming conventions in action. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:19, 29 November 2007 (EST)
              • Unrelated: I love that "debates" links to your talk page. Very droll.--Hardvice (talk) 20:23, 29 November 2007 (EST)
                • It was an easy way to shamelessly plug what I'm doing on Saturday and provide a link to my talk page at the same time....At least I didn't make any "master debater" jokes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:45, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Poison generation

How about we use Number Five from the power naming conventions and call it poison generation? Therequiembellishere 23:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)

  • Because we have a Number Three source, which will always take precedence over a description we come up with on our own. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • We're already at Number Three, which is above number five--Piemanmoo 23:20, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • Woah, hivemind! --Piemanmoo 23:21, 29 November 2007 (EST)
        • But now we have a Level 1 source: She said she Poisons people in the latest episode. I vote we change it to (something like 'induced' or maybe nothing) Poisoning. Random guy 22:51, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Shouln't We rename it now?

We finally have confirmation (in show) that she is releasing Poison. So should we say this is "Super-natural Poisoning" (for lack of a better term)? Random guy 00:18, 4 December 2007 (EST)

  • In Powerless, she said she has a 'sickness' that comes out of her...
    • I am pretty sure she said 'poison'... I guess I will have to watch it again.Random guy 20:48, 4 December 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, she says both 'sickness' and 'poisons' but she says the sickness is in her and that she poisons everyone. Again I think this should be called 'Poison emission' or something with poison, not plague. Random guy 20:58, 4 December 2007 (EST)
        • Wow! Moving articles is a lot of work! Random guy 21:29, 4 December 2007 (EST)
          • Yes, it is! I'm glad this move was not done in a half-assed way, as many moves are done. It seems the list of articles to update continually grows--for instance template:PowersTOC is often overlooked. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:08, 4 December 2007 (EST)
            • Well after a while, I started putting 'plague' in the search box and looking for articles about Maya. Random guy 22:14, 4 December 2007 (EST)
            • I wonder if a script of come sort could be fashioned to automaticaly update all past names to the current ones, so that we dont have to manualy update the double redirects?--Piemanmoo 22:19, 4 December 2007 (EST)
              • In time the bot I wrote will be able to do this... (Admin 22:25, 4 December 2007 (EST))

Oh by the way...

Not that it matters but a plague could in fact be poison. So that helps with encompassing everything that both the creators and canonical sources say. Neither is technically wrong (Just Poison Emission just more representative of the exact plague. We could eventually say that a person who produces cockroaches could have Plague Emission.) Just making this comment so that other people do not make any more argument about this one. Random guy 21:28, 5 December 2007 (EST)

  • A noble motive, but I don't think that will happen any time soon. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:42, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Black Death

I think Plague is more appropriate since her power acts more like a contagious disease than a poison. Also poison dart frogs emit poison but they are harmless unless someone touches them which is contrary to her power. I also think that her power (black eyes causing death to everyone around her) is an allusion to the Black Death plague that raveged Europe in the Middle Ages.Edible8 01:24, 18 December 2007 (EST)

  • You make some very nice observations. However, a canon sources should take precedence over anything we as fans come up with. In Powerless, Maya referred to her power as both "sickness" and "poison". The "emission" part comes from Tim Kring. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:28, 18 December 2007 (EST)
    • I have trouble with that one, if only because Maya doesn't exactly have that much knowledge herself of what it is. She probably doesn't know it's poison, it's most likely just a guess. And writers/actors have referred to it as a plague in interviews. Which I think should maybe beat a canon source when the canon source is as in the dark as we are. Poison just doesn't seem to fit. But whatever. A lot of these names leave a lot to be desired, it's not the end of the world I guess.--Leshia 04:31, 2 February 2008 (EST)
      • I agree. Tim Kring is probably more accurate than Maya. --Ice Vision (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2008 (EST)
        • We should call it "Anti-devil curse". The curandera obviously know more than both Tim and Maya :-) --Referos 20:22, 2 February 2008 (EST)
  • Good theory. The "bleeding" from the eyes resembles symptoms of the Ebola virus. Talisman67 00:29, 2 February 2008 (PST)
  • Heheh, glad I'm not the only one who noticed the Black Death allusion. ;) Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:37, 8 November 2008 (EST)

possible name

one of the official heroes magazine issues calls this power 'death and disease generation'. just so you know. - Tristan0709 04:11, 24 November 2008 (EST)

  • Who is it written by? If it's not an official writer for Heroes or somebody else on the Heroes team, we probably won't use it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:44, 24 November 2008 (EST)
    • umm....i'm not sure. i couldn't afford it, i only saw it on a shelf and flicked through it. - Tristan0709 00:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Alternate scene

Much like the mention of Kaito's ability, shouldn't we add to the notes section the role Maya's ability played in the original ending of Volume 2? The part about her absorbing the Shanti virus? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:18, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah, I belive that was in the alternate ending (?). On the impenetrable skin page it mentions Robert Keep, just like Kaito, so I can't see why not. --IronyUTC CH 15:21, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I'll add it them, I'm not 100% sure of the source, but I remember reading it somewhere in this wiki. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:38, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
      • It never happened. I'm pretty sure that Tim Kring, Jesse Alexander, and Jeph Loeb mentioned it when they were talking about the plan for the end of the nixed Volume Three. Somebody would definitely have to check that source before adding it to the page. But I'm not sure that it even needs to be here--the footage was never shot, and the scenes were never even written. I think at most, the information might go on the Season Two DVD page...if that is indeed where the information came from. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

Can we change the lead image?

The convent image is um......well, frankly, disturbing as hell. Anyone else think so? Anyway we can change it? Personally, I love this image:Maya, but I am open to others, if anyone else has an idea. ElleFanBoy 14:17, 25 May 2009

  • What's wrong with the current one, it's basically the same you suggested from another angle. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:56, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I like the current picture, mainly for the very fact that it is disturbing. I think the power is disturbing to Maya, and that should be reflected in the image, if possible. It's also a very clear shot of her eyes, of her emotions, of the power, and a great great angle. That's just my opinion... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2009 (EDT)
  • The current image is just kind of creepy. And the lighting is weird. The colors in the one I proposed look better. It's more visually appealing, but she also is showing more of her black tears. But, yeah, that's just my opinion. --ElleFanBoy 21:36, 25 May 2009 (EDT)