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{{plus}} This could be the event that divided the Company.<br /> |
{{plus}} This could be the event that divided the Company.<br /> |
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| Arthur's ability is a more advanced form of intuitive aptitude. || None. || {{plus}} |
| Arthur's ability is a more advanced form of intuitive aptitude. || None. || {{plus}} He requires some form of physical contact, which maybe the same as Sylar needing to look at a person's brain.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Later [[Lie detection|found]] Arthur lied about that. ''([[Our Father]])''</br> |
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{{plus}} He requires some form of physical contact, which maybe the same as Sylar needing to look at a person's brain.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Arthur completely takes away the ability. Sylar did not take away Claire's ability.<br /> |
{{minus}} Arthur completely takes away the ability. Sylar did not take away Claire's ability.<br /> |
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:{{note}} Sylar noted that Claire is 'different' and 'special'.<br /> |
:{{note}} Sylar noted that Claire is 'different' and 'special'.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Arthur doesn't need to kill to take an ability. Adam most likely died cause he no longer had his power to keep him young. Peter and Maya didn't die when had their power stolen.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Arthur doesn't need to kill to take an ability. Adam most likely died cause he no longer had his power to keep him young. Peter and Maya didn't die when had their power stolen.<br /> |
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| Arthur Petrelli's ability |
| Arthur Petrelli's ability was a synthetic one, not a natural one. || None. || {{plus}} In ''War Buddies'', Arthur had no obvious powers, but it is clear as of ''[[Dying of the Light]]'' that he does. This means that either A) his power didn't manifest until he got to be pretty old, which seems fairly rare among people with natural abilities, or else B) his ability is synthetic.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Arthur could have already had his ability and not known it, or had manifested his ability after returning from the war.<br /> |
{{minus}} Arthur could have already had his ability and not known it, or had manifested his ability after returning from the war.<br /> |
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{{plus}} As Angela revealed in ''[[Angels and Monsters]]'', "[Arthur Petrelli] was disappointed that Nathan wasn't born with the genetic code" and that this was Arthur's justification for granting Nathan a synthetic ability. This implies a belief that a lack of abilities is a thing to be assiduously avoided, and it also implies that he does not discriminate between natural and synthetic abilities with regards to authenticity.<br /> |
{{plus}} As Angela revealed in ''[[Angels and Monsters]]'', "[Arthur Petrelli] was disappointed that Nathan wasn't born with the genetic code" and that this was Arthur's justification for granting Nathan a synthetic ability. This implies a belief that a lack of abilities is a thing to be assiduously avoided, and it also implies that he does not discriminate between natural and synthetic abilities with regards to authenticity.<br /> |
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{{plus}} From what we've seen so far regarding abilities and their inheritance, it seems likely that the natural possession of an ability is a recessive trait. There is only one recorded case of a normal child born to two evolved parents ([[Penny Logan]]) and it is possible that Penny Logan simply never manifested, as she died at a fairly young age. Conversely, there is an overwhelmingly large number of cases of evolved children born to two ''normal'' parents. If the natural possession of an ability is recessive and Arthur Petrelli's ability was natural, Nathan could not have been born without a natural power. Children of two parents with the same recessive phenotype will ALWAYS have the same trait as their parents--Arthur and Angela could not have produced a normal child.<br /> |
{{plus}} From what we've seen so far regarding abilities and their inheritance, it seems likely that the natural possession of an ability is a recessive trait. There is only one recorded case of a normal child born to two evolved parents ([[Penny Logan]]) and it is possible that Penny Logan simply never manifested, as she died at a fairly young age. Conversely, there is an overwhelmingly large number of cases of evolved children born to two ''normal'' parents. If the natural possession of an ability is recessive and Arthur Petrelli's ability was natural, Nathan could not have been born without a natural power. Children of two parents with the same recessive phenotype will ALWAYS have the same trait as their parents--Arthur and Angela could not have produced a normal child.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Genes don't work that simply always, like with height there is something like 6 genes governing it, abilities may have 12 genes or more governing it, considering human DNA is 90% junk space that doesn't do anything, its possible there could be any amount of genes controlling powers, not just one. Arthur having a natural ability would fit in with the theme that |
:{{minus}} Genes don't work that simply always, like with height there is something like 6 genes governing it, abilities may have 12 genes or more governing it, considering human DNA is 90% junk space that doesn't do anything, its possible there could be any amount of genes controlling powers, not just one. Arthur having a natural ability would fit in with the theme that Peter inherited the capability to take on many abilities from Arthur, where Nathan got flight as his ability wasn't inherited. Also, Angela tells Nathan when referring to giving him a synthetic ability, "we thought because of your lineage you could handle it, and obviously we were right" further suggesting that both Angela and Arthur had naturally occurring abilities.<br /> |
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{{note}} If he injected himself, that could have changed his DNA structure enough that by the time Gabriel and Peter were conceived, the gene got passed down to them. Niki's abilities were synthetic, and that at least didn't adversely affect Micah, though we don't know if D.L.'s were natural or not. Claire had one parent with synthetic abilities too.<br /> |
{{note}} If he injected himself, that could have changed his DNA structure enough that by the time Gabriel and Peter were conceived, the gene got passed down to them. Niki's abilities were synthetic, and that at least didn't adversely affect Micah, though we don't know if D.L.'s were natural or not. Claire had one parent with synthetic abilities too.<br /> |
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:{{note}} D.L.'s mother had a natural ability. D.L.'s was probably natural too--since Niki and D.L.'s relationship was a Company experiment, that makes sense, because they'd probably learn more from a union of a synthetic and a natural than from two synthetics.<br /> |
:{{note}} D.L.'s mother had a natural ability. D.L.'s was probably natural too--since Niki and D.L.'s relationship was a Company experiment, that makes sense, because they'd probably learn more from a union of a synthetic and a natural than from two synthetics.<br /> |
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{{minus}} On the contrary, Angela seemed to love Arthur very much. (''[[Villains]]'')<br /> |
{{minus}} On the contrary, Angela seemed to love Arthur very much. (''[[Villains]]'')<br /> |
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:{{plus}} It is possible she fell out of love with him after she learned that he tried to kill their son.<br /> |
:{{plus}} It is possible she fell out of love with him after she learned that he tried to kill their son.<br /> |
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{{minus}} She refers to him as "the man [she] loved".<br /> |
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| Arthur Petrelli is Noah Bennet's biological father. || None. || {{plus}} Noah Bennet's father needed glasses. (''[[Company Man]]'')<br /> |
| Arthur Petrelli is Noah Bennet's biological father. || None. || {{plus}} Noah Bennet's father needed glasses. (''[[Company Man]]'')<br /> |
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{{note}} If Claire meets Arthur, she would recognize him as her adoptive grandfather.<br /> |
{{note}} If Claire meets Arthur, she would recognize him as her adoptive grandfather.<br /> |
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| Arthur Petrelli |
| Arthur Petrelli was the true villain of ''Heroes''. || According to ''[[War Buddies]]'', "Dallas" has an extremely utilitarian philosophy, torturing a native for several hours to find the lost Skyhawk, and then destroying an entire village along with killing a [[Au Co|young girl]] to win the war. Many of the antagonists related to [[the Company]] appear to use the same modus operandi: [[Linderman]] wanted to unite the world by killing [[.07%]] of its population. || {{plus}} In ''[[Truth & Consequences]]'', [[Victoria]] tells [[Peter]], "Adam's a murderer, and since you're helping him, you're one too... Just like your parents."<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur was a close friend of Linderman, and one of [[the Company's founders|the founders]] of the Company. Linderman was a main villain of season one, and certainly the most manipulative. He is also married to [[Angela]], who also supported Linderman.<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur was a close friend of Linderman, and one of [[the Company's founders|the founders]] of the Company. Linderman was a main villain of season one, and certainly the most manipulative. He is also married to [[Angela]], who also supported Linderman.<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Bob]] claims that Linderman was Adam's disciple; however, Arthur appears to have taught Linderman more about "the ends justifying the means" than Adam did. (''[[War Buddies, Part 5]]'')<br /> |
{{plus}} [[Bob]] claims that Linderman was Adam's disciple; however, Arthur appears to have taught Linderman more about "the ends justifying the means" than Adam did. (''[[War Buddies, Part 5]]'')<br /> |
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{{plus}} Previews for [[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]] claimed that Arthur's been "pulling the strings" through the whole history of [[Heroes]]. |
{{plus}} Previews for [[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]] claimed that Arthur's been "pulling the strings" through the whole history of [[Heroes]]. |
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| [[Arthur]] had the ability to control evolved humans but not humans. || None. || {{plus}} A young and innocent [[Linderman]] assists in the secret beating interrogation in Vietnam; the human had to be beaten to give up the info. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Controlling the powers of the original Company ([[Bob]]'s [[alchemy]], Linderman's [[healing]], [[Angela Petrelli]]'s [[precognitive dreaming]], and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden. <br /> |
{{plus}} Controlling the powers of the original Company ([[Bob]]'s [[alchemy]], Linderman's [[healing]], [[Angela Petrelli]]'s [[precognitive dreaming]], and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden. <br /> |
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{{plus}} He pushed for research into synthetic evolved humans, because he can't control humans. He was also disappointed with [[Nathan]] for not being born with abilities; he gave him artificial abilities so that he could someday control the President of the United States.<br /> |
{{plus}} He pushed for research into synthetic evolved humans, because he can't control humans. He was also disappointed with [[Nathan]] for not being born with abilities; he gave him artificial abilities so that he could someday control the President of the United States.<br /> |
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| Arthur arranged for the unwitting reporter to discover a link between Niki Sanders and Tracy Strauss and use that to blackmail Tracy in order to stress her out and trigger her powers. || None. || {{plus}} Arthur Petrelli is a master manipulator much like Daniel Linderman. Under Arthur's orders, Maury (as Linderman) has been manipulating events to push Tracy and Nathan together in much the same way that Linderman manipulated Niki and D.L.'s lives in order to produce Micah.<br /> |
| Arthur arranged for the unwitting reporter to discover a link between Niki Sanders and Tracy Strauss and use that to blackmail Tracy in order to stress her out and trigger her powers. || None. || {{plus}} Arthur Petrelli is a master manipulator much like Daniel Linderman. Under Arthur's orders, Maury (as Linderman) has been manipulating events to push Tracy and Nathan together in much the same way that Linderman manipulated Niki and D.L.'s lives in order to produce Micah.<br /> |
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| [[Arthur]] had the ability of [[aura absorption]], the same as [[Linda Tavara]]. || None. || {{plus}} His power is similar to how her ability worked, touching people and taking their abilities. |
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{{note}} He might have learned how to only take a person's ability, seeing as how aura absorption usually kills the victim.<br /> |
{{note}} He might have learned how to only take a person's ability, seeing as how aura absorption usually kills the victim.<br /> |
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{{plus}} When he took Peter's power, something looked like it was being pulled out of him, like what it looked like when Linda used it.<br /> |
{{plus}} When he took Peter's power, something looked like it was being pulled out of him, like what it looked like when Linda used it.<br /> |
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{{minus}} If Arthur wanted to get super powerful, then the logical option is to get a power that gets more powers. Like making a wish to have 1000 wishes. Making a Formula to give that specific power is not the case since its imperfect. It's too much of a coincidence that Arthur has this power naturally. Perhaps another evolved human with power transfer took power theft from another evolved human?<br /> |
{{minus}} If Arthur wanted to get super powerful, then the logical option is to get a power that gets more powers. Like making a wish to have 1000 wishes. Making a Formula to give that specific power is not the case since its imperfect. It's too much of a coincidence that Arthur has this power naturally. Perhaps another evolved human with power transfer took power theft from another evolved human?<br /> |
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| [[Arthur Petrelli]] had "[[the hunger]]". || Arthur said, "You don't have your abilities anymore, Peter...because I have them now."<br />: - Arthur (''[[Dying of the Light]]'') <br />"You have the hunger. You're like me, brother..." <br />: - Sylar (to [[Peter]]) (''[[I Am Become Death]]'') || {{minus}} [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18602 Chris Zatta] says that he doesn't.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Peter did not have the hunger until Gabriel showed him how to use intuitive aptitude.<br/> |
{{minus}} Peter did not have the hunger until Gabriel showed him how to use intuitive aptitude.<br/> |
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{{plus}} He may have the hunger but he |
{{plus}} He may have had the hunger but he could control it. Arthur showed that he could control newly acquired powers instantly (electricity, telekinesis).<br /> |
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{{plus}} Maybe he doesn't have Sylar's hunger but he might have one of his own |
{{plus}} Maybe he doesn't have Sylar's hunger but he might have one of his own.<br /> |
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{{minus}} [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 Joe Pokaski & Aron Coleite] say that he'll only get the hunger if he taps into intuitive aptitude, just like Peter did.<br /> |
{{minus}} [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 Joe Pokaski & Aron Coleite] say that he'll only get the hunger if he taps into intuitive aptitude, just like Peter did.<br /> |
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{{minus}} [[Arthur]] probably |
{{minus}} [[Arthur]] probably didn't know he had this ability.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} He did use powers Peter hadn't used in his presence.<br /> |
:{{plus}} He did use powers Peter hadn't used in his presence.<br /> |
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| The only way for [[Peter]] to regain his powers is if [[Sylar]] [[brain removal|removes]] [[Arthur]]'s brain and shows Peter how to take the ability. || None. || {{plus}} Sylar's [[ability]] allows him to [[intuitive aptitude|see how things work]], but has never been specifically stated to let him [[ability theft|take abilities]]. Therefore, it is possible that with knowledge attainable only by a person with [[intuitive aptitude]], an ordinary human being can take an [[evolved human]]'s abilities.<br /> |
| The only way for [[Peter]] to regain his powers is if [[Sylar]] [[brain removal|removes]] [[Arthur]]'s brain and shows Peter how to take the ability. || None. || {{plus}} Sylar's [[ability]] allows him to [[intuitive aptitude|see how things work]], but has never been specifically stated to let him [[ability theft|take abilities]]. Therefore, it is possible that with knowledge attainable only by a person with [[intuitive aptitude]], an ordinary human being can take an [[evolved human]]'s abilities.<br /> |
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{{plus}} From a story standpoint, it would be fitting for Sylar to give in to the hunger he has been fighting for most of the third season, but then use it to help others.<br /> |
{{plus}} From a story standpoint, it would be fitting for Sylar to give in to the hunger he has been fighting for most of the third season, but then use it to help others.<br /> |
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{{minus}} If Sylar helped Peter in this manner, it could mean Sylar would again be consumed by his hunger, effectively sacrificing his ''new'' self for his brother's sake. Sylar is unlikely to take action that would not necessarily be for the greater good; and although he might care for his brother, he doesn't appear to trust him at this point.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Peter is powerless at the moment, so even if Sylar "showed him" Arthur's brain, Peter would have no idea what to do with it, as he no longer possesses intuitive aptitude. Sylar would actually have to open up Peter's skull as well, to modify it "manually". But since Peter no longer possesses rapid cell regeneration, this process would likely kill him.<br /> |
{{minus}} Peter is powerless at the moment, so even if Sylar "showed him" Arthur's brain, Peter would have no idea what to do with it, as he no longer possesses intuitive aptitude. Sylar would actually have to open up Peter's skull as well, to modify it "manually". But since Peter no longer possesses rapid cell regeneration, this process would likely kill him.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar does not open his own skull to "add" an ability and he began gathering abilities for himself without having rapid cell regeneration. Thus, he could be able to copy his own or other people's abilities to other humans like his brother without killing them.<br /> |
{{plus}} Sylar does not open his own skull to "add" an ability and he began gathering abilities for himself without having rapid cell regeneration. Thus, he could be able to copy his own or other people's abilities to other humans like his brother without killing them.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Arthur has demonstrated a distinct lack of remorse for everything he's done.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Arthur has demonstrated a distinct lack of remorse for everything he's done.<br /> |
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| Arthur sought to absorb/drain the abilities of every [[evolved human]]. || None. || {{plus}} He has absorbed [[Adam]]'s ability when he could have just used his blood and used him as an asset.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} He could have taken his ability as revenge.<br /> |
:{{minus}} He could have taken his ability as revenge.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Arthur likely desired a permanent cure for his disablement and didn't want to take a chance with Adam's blood.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Arthur likely desired a permanent cure for his disablement and didn't want to take a chance with Adam's blood.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Peter's power makes this much easier.<br /> |
{{plus}} Peter's power makes this much easier.<br /> |
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| Arthur could return powers to those from whom he took them. || None. || {{plus}} He's keeping Peter alive. Without any powers, Peter would be useless to him.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Peter is Arthur's son so he may not want to dispose of Peter just because he no longer has any powers.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Peter is Arthur's son so he may not want to dispose of Peter just because he no longer has any powers.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} If Arthur could return those powers, he would not have had Mohinder inject him in the new version of the formula.<br /> |
:{{minus}} If Arthur could return those powers, he would not have had Mohinder inject him in the new version of the formula.<br /> |
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{{minus}} [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18602 Chris Zatta] says he can only return powers to people if he gets that power from someone else.<br /> |
{{minus}} [http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18602 Chris Zatta] says he can only return powers to people if he gets that power from someone else.<br /> |
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| Arthur's powers returned to their original owners when he died. || None. || {{plus}} This could be a way to restore Peter's and other people's abilities.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} It may be more desirable for Peter to remain powerless so he can learn to use his mind again, and not just his abilities.<br /> |
:{{minus}} It may be more desirable for Peter to remain powerless so he can learn to use his mind again, and not just his abilities.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Peter may need his abilities again to prevent the [[exposed future|future he saw]] from coming to pass.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Peter may need his abilities again to prevent the [[exposed future|future he saw]] from coming to pass.<br /> |
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{{plus}} When Arthur dies, the same glow that enters his body when he takes powers, seems to leave his body.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} It looked more like the catalyst leaving his body.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The glow did not flow towards Peter.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The writers have stated that they wouldn't.<br /> |
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| Arthur Petrelli's power theft was a synthetic ability and he originally had a much simpler power. || None. || {{plus}} Angela implies that Arthur had some sort of power prior to Nathan's birth. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Nathan did not inherit the ability to copy powers, but Peter did. Perhaps Arthur did not give himself the ability until after he was satisfied with the results on Nathan.<br /> |
{{plus}} Nathan did not inherit the ability to copy powers, but Peter did. Perhaps Arthur did not give himself the ability until after he was satisfied with the results on Nathan.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Without other supers nearby, it's likely Arthur had no reason to believe he was different.<br /> |
{{minus}} Without other supers nearby, it's likely Arthur had no reason to believe he was different.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Didn't seem like he was.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Didn't seem like he was.<br /> |
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::{{plus}} Arthur was not making eye contact with Peter; this is a sign of deception.<br /> |
::{{plus}} Arthur was not making eye contact with Peter; this is a sign of deception.<br /> |
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| [[Arthur]] was lying to [[Sylar]] about [[Angela Petrelli|Angela's]] attempt to drown him. || None. || {{plus}} Faking one's own death speaks poorly for one's trustworthiness.<br /> |
| [[Arthur]] was lying to [[Sylar]] about [[Angela Petrelli|Angela's]] attempt to drown him. || None. || {{plus}} Faking one's own death speaks poorly for one's trustworthiness.<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Peter_Petrelli_(exposed_future)|Future Peter]] said that the creation of the [[formula]] led to the [[exposed future]]. [[Arthur]] told (present) [[Peter Petrelli|Peter]] that he wants to prevent the [[exposed future]]. So why is Arthur doing the very thing (creating the formula) that helped bring said future about?<br /> |
:{{plus}} [[Peter_Petrelli_(exposed_future)|Future Peter]] said that the creation of the [[formula]] led to the [[exposed future]]. [[Arthur]] told (present) [[Peter Petrelli|Peter]] that he wants to prevent the [[exposed future]]. So why is Arthur doing the very thing (creating the formula) that helped bring said future about?<br /> |
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{{plus}} [[Arthur]] unsuccessfully tried to murder [[Nathan]]; [[Angela]] tried to poison Arthur to prevent him from trying again. Clearly, [[Angela]] has strong maternal instincts.<br /> |
{{plus}} [[Arthur]] unsuccessfully tried to murder [[Nathan]]; [[Angela]] tried to poison Arthur to prevent him from trying again. Clearly, [[Angela]] has strong maternal instincts.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} She may feel guilt over having tried to kill a son herself.<br /> |
:{{minus}} She may feel guilt over having tried to kill a son herself.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur lied about being Sylar's father.<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur lied about being Sylar's father.<br /> |
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| Arthur planned on giving everyone abilities (as seen in the [[exposed future|future]]) so he could absorb them all. || None. || {{plus}} It would be the perfect plan for a villain to gain more power: give everyone abilities so he can take them all using his and [[Empathic mimicry|Peter's powers]] combined to steal them from a distance.<br /> |
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:{{note}} In ''[[Episode:Eris Quod Sum|Eris Quod Sum]]'', Arthur appeared to have knowledge of what Peter was talking about when Peter claimed that Arthur's plan was to give everyone abilities.<br /> |
:{{note}} In ''[[Episode:Eris Quod Sum|Eris Quod Sum]]'', Arthur appeared to have knowledge of what Peter was talking about when Peter claimed that Arthur's plan was to give everyone abilities.<br /> |
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::{{note}} This could be because he absorbed [[Intuitive aptitude|Sylar's ability]].<br /> |
::{{note}} This could be because he absorbed [[Intuitive aptitude|Sylar's ability]].<br /> |
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:{{note}} Arthur is trying to create the formula that, according to [[Peter_Petrelli_(exposed_future)|Future Peter]], led to the [[exposed future]].<br /> |
:{{note}} Arthur is trying to create the formula that, according to [[Peter_Petrelli_(exposed_future)|Future Peter]], led to the [[exposed future]].<br /> |
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| Arthur wasn't an evil villain. || None. || {{plus}} It'd make for some twist.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Villains are evil by definition.<br /> |
{{minus}} Villains are evil by definition.<br /> |
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{{plus}} He removed Maya's power for her.<br /> |
{{plus}} He removed Maya's power for her.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Arthur took Hiro's power, leaving him in the past.<br /> |
{{minus}} Arthur took Hiro's power, leaving him in the past.<br /> |
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| Arthur had adopted an "ubermensch" philosophy. || He is seen reading Nietzsche while waiting for Peter to wake up in [[Eris Quod Sum]]. || {{plus}} When Peter tells accuses Arthur of feeling superior to other people (even evolved humans), Arthur simply states that it is a "fact".<br /> |
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{{plus}} He demonstrated an early form of this philosophy in [[War Buddies]].<br /> |
{{plus}} He demonstrated an early form of this philosophy in [[War Buddies]].<br /> |
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{{Plus}} Maury could have regained his powers by using [[the formula]].<br /> |
{{Plus}} Maury could have regained his powers by using [[the formula]].<br /> |
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|Arthur [[power absorption|stole]] [[dream manipulation]] from [[Sanjog Iyer]]. || None. || {{plus}} Arthur has entered [[Angela]]'s dream, spoken to her and put her into a coma. He also did a similar thing to [[Matt Parkman]], creating a dream-illusion of [[Daphne]] to attack Matt while he was inside Angela's dream.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Neither [[Matt]] nor [[Maury]] have been seen to be capable of using their [[telepathy]] at such great a distance (Arthur was in New Jersey, while Angela was in New York); suggesting that Arthur was not using [[telepathy]] during these circumstances.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Neither [[Matt]] nor [[Maury]] have been seen to be capable of using their [[telepathy]] at such great a distance (Arthur was in New Jersey, while Angela was in New York); suggesting that Arthur was not using [[telepathy]] during these circumstances.<br /> |
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::{{minus}} [[Maury]] was able to use his telepathy on [[Molly Walker]] once she located him. Arthur used a similar connection to Angela when she dreamed of him. Arthur told Hiro "I understand you've been dreaming about me", so apparently he senses those dreams in much the same way that Maury sensed Molly locating him.<br /> |
::{{minus}} [[Maury]] was able to use his telepathy on [[Molly Walker]] once she located him. Arthur used a similar connection to Angela when she dreamed of him. Arthur told Hiro "I understand you've been dreaming about me", so apparently he senses those dreams in much the same way that Maury sensed Molly locating him.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} There is no evidence that Arthur has ever heard of Sanjog, much less captured him.<br /> |
:{{minus}} There is no evidence that Arthur has ever heard of Sanjog, much less captured him.<br /> |
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| Arthur is or was an empath. || None. || {{plus}} Peter and Sylar |
| Arthur is or was an empath. || None. || {{plus}} Peter and Sylar both gain abilities through empathy and have abilities similar to Arthur.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Arthur's ability has nothing to do with emotions or understanding people.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Arthur's ability has nothing to do with emotions or understanding people.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Arthur said that Nathan was most like him and Nathan is not an empath.<br /> |
{{minus}} Arthur said that Nathan was most like him and Nathan is not an empath.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} The fact that Arthur, Peter, and Sylar all collect abilities from others didn't keep Arthur from saying this either.<br /> |
:{{plus}} The fact that Arthur, Peter, and Sylar all collect abilities from others didn't keep Arthur from saying this either.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Just because Sylar can acquire new abilities by understanding someone's emotions doesn't make him an empath.<br /> |
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{{plus}} He is now an empath, because he has stolen Peter's abilities, including empathic mimicry. However he was not an empath before that point, because he needed to kill Adam to take his power, instead of using empathic mimicry.<br /> |
{{plus}} He is now an empath, because he has stolen Peter's abilities, including empathic mimicry. However he was not an empath before that point, because he needed to kill Adam to take his power, instead of using empathic mimicry.<br /> |
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{{minus}} The limits, scope, and breadth of [[Arthur]]'s ability are unclear at this time. He may be able to consciously activate and deactivate powers he has absorbed, such as empathic mimicry and intuitive aptitude. His own ability requires active concentration, but it is unknown if absorbed abilities require active concentration, as well.<br /> |
{{minus}} The limits, scope, and breadth of [[Arthur]]'s ability are unclear at this time. He may be able to consciously activate and deactivate powers he has absorbed, such as empathic mimicry and intuitive aptitude. His own ability requires active concentration, but it is unknown if absorbed abilities require active concentration, as well.<br /> |
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|The ''naturally'' powered Petrelli men (Arthur and Peter) are empaths, though each has his own "version" of it. || None. || {{plus}} Perhaps his power is a branch of empathy, as are Peter's and Gabriel's/Sylar's. Peter's is the receptive type, Sylar's intuitive aptitude is the inquisitive type (learns), while his is somewhere in the middle.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} His power involves accessing the particular emotions associated with the activation of powers (i.e. the emotion that Peter feels for Claire which allowed him to access her healing ability) and then "draw out" the power by drawing out the actual emotion used to activate it and not the actual power.<br /> |
:{{plus}} His power involves accessing the particular emotions associated with the activation of powers (i.e. the emotion that Peter feels for Claire which allowed him to access her healing ability) and then "draw out" the power by drawing out the actual emotion used to activate it and not the actual power.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} At first, he couldn't control this power and he began to sense all emotions around him and it started driving him insane. However, later on, he noticed that he could tap into specific emotions from the people around him and "draw power" from them to control himself.<br /> |
:{{plus}} At first, he couldn't control this power and he began to sense all emotions around him and it started driving him insane. However, later on, he noticed that he could tap into specific emotions from the people around him and "draw power" from them to control himself.<br /> |
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::{{note}} The abilities are triggered by a specific emotion - once out the user doesn't have to feel that emotion in order to use it - But the ability would be at it's most powerful if the user feels the triggered emotion. Brian's telekinesis was really weak because he was nervous and feared something was wrong with him. "Powers are tied to emotions". Weak emotions shows weakened abilities - Strong emotions show stronger abilities, but in some cases it can be vice versa.<br /> |
::{{note}} The abilities are triggered by a specific emotion - once out the user doesn't have to feel that emotion in order to use it - But the ability would be at it's most powerful if the user feels the triggered emotion. Brian's telekinesis was really weak because he was nervous and feared something was wrong with him. "Powers are tied to emotions". Weak emotions shows weakened abilities - Strong emotions show stronger abilities, but in some cases it can be vice versa.<br /> |
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| Arthur had plans on stopping anyone that could see and try to prevent his version of the future. || None. || {{plus}} Arthur [[Power absorption|stole]] [[Peter]]'s powers, which include [[space-time manipulation]], [[precognition]] and [[precognitive dreaming]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur put [[Angela]] in a coma.<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur put [[Angela]] in a coma.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur killed [[Usutu]].<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur killed [[Usutu]].<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur tried to [[mental manipulation|wipe]] [[Hiro]]'s mind.<br /> |
{{plus}} Arthur tried to [[mental manipulation|wipe]] [[Hiro]]'s mind.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Arthur removed Hiro's ability, then threw him off a roof.<br /> |
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| [[Arthur Petrelli]] could take powers from others without stealing them. || -"What's on your mind Daniel?" -"The question is: what's not in yours." Angela and Linderman. (Villains) || {{plus}} Arthur does have the telepathy, that Maury still had. And this was a pretty rare power.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Telepathy was never mentioned to be a rare power, [[Chandra]] had notes about other evolved humans who had that ability.<br /> |
:{{minus}} Telepathy was never mentioned to be a rare power, [[Chandra]] had notes about other evolved humans who had that ability.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Arthur wipes Angela's memory, the same way the [[mental manipulation|Haitian's power]] allows it. But Arthur hadn't absorbed Peter at that time, so I assume if he used Haitian's power on Hiro, that's because telepathy could not be used for "wiping memories". That implies he somehow had Haitian's power before.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Arthur wipes Angela's memory, the same way the [[mental manipulation|Haitian's power]] allows it. But Arthur hadn't absorbed Peter at that time, so I assume if he used Haitian's power on Hiro, that's because telepathy could not be used for "wiping memories". That implies he somehow had Haitian's power before.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The writers interviews don't seem to follow that logic, but maybe in order to prevent spoilers.<br /> |
:{{minus}} The writers interviews don't seem to follow that logic, but maybe in order to prevent spoilers.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} The effects used in the scene suggested telepathy, and Arthur did use mental manipulation on Hiro, as confirmed in the BTE interview.<br /> |
:{{minus}} The effects used in the scene suggested telepathy, and Arthur did use mental manipulation on Hiro, as confirmed in the BTE interview.<br /> |
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{{plus}} This should be true |
{{plus}} This should be true, after Arthur stole [[empathic mimicry]] from Peter.<br /> |
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{{note}} A BTE stated that Arthur can choose with which ability he takes a new one.<br /> |
{{note}} A BTE stated that Arthur can choose with which ability he takes a new one.<br /> |
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| Because Arthur has mental manipulation, he can use it to suppress his own abilities, and that's why he doesn't suffer the Hunger of intuitive aptitude. || None. || {{minus}} It's been [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 stated] that Arthur doesn't have the hunger because he has yet to access [[intuitive aptitude]].<br /> |
| Because Arthur has mental manipulation, he can use it to suppress his own abilities, and that's why he doesn't suffer the Hunger of intuitive aptitude. || None. || {{minus}} It's been [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 stated] that Arthur doesn't have the hunger because he has yet to access [[intuitive aptitude]].<br /> |
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{{minus}} Peter also had mental manipulation, and clearly that didn't help.<br /> |
{{minus}} Peter also had mental manipulation, and clearly that didn't help.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Peter didn't know he had that ability, and he never displayed it.<br /> |
:{{plus}} Peter didn't know he had that ability, and he never displayed it.<br /> |
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Theories
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| Kaito Nakamura didn't have an ability at the end of his life because Arthur stole it. | Arthur has the ability to absorb powers from others. | + Having a character who most likely has an ability die without demonstrating it is unusual for Heroes.
+ This could be how Arthur obtained telepathy.
+ This could be the event that divided the Company. |
| Arthur's ability is a more advanced form of intuitive aptitude. | None. | + He requires some form of physical contact, which maybe the same as Sylar needing to look at a person's brain. - Arthur completely takes away the ability. Sylar did not take away Claire's ability.
- Arthur has not been seen knowing how things work. |
| People who lose their abilities to Arthur can regain them through use of the Formula. | None. | • According to Mohinder, a person's DNA determines what their innate ability is. • If Mohinder did inject Peter with the formula, Peter might have his own ability back and copy his old ones from Arthur; including Arthur's own ability.
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| Arthur's ability is a more advanced form of empathic mimicry. | "You will be what I am" is the English meaning of seventh episode in season three. | + "You will be what I am" may refer to Peter, that he will have such power when he learns to use it so. - Peter doesn't steal abilities; he basically copies them and pastes them into his DNA. Peter's subjects still have their abilities and the process is painless. Arthur has to put his subjects through a painful process of stealing their ability to the point where they don't have it anymore. In this case, Peter's empathic mimicry is more advanced than Arthur's power absorption.
+ Like Matt Parkman has the same power as his father, Peter may have inherited his power from Arthur.
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| Arthur Petrelli's ability was a synthetic one, not a natural one. | None. | + In War Buddies, Arthur had no obvious powers, but it is clear as of Dying of the Light that he does. This means that either A) his power didn't manifest until he got to be pretty old, which seems fairly rare among people with natural abilities, or else B) his ability is synthetic. - Arthur could have already had his ability and not known it, or had manifested his ability after returning from the war.
• If he injected himself, that could have changed his DNA structure enough that by the time Gabriel and Peter were conceived, the gene got passed down to them. Niki's abilities were synthetic, and that at least didn't adversely affect Micah, though we don't know if D.L.'s were natural or not. Claire had one parent with synthetic abilities too.
- Angela specifically says that Arthur was disappointed that Nathan didn't have an ability, despite his lineage, implying that both Angela and Arthur were born as evolved humans. The fact that Arthur had no ability in Vietnam can be explained simply by the fact that he had yet to steal any abilities from another evolved human; much like Peter, he had to realize that he wasn't special alone but need someone else with him to be special.
- The formula that gives people powers was created by the Company, after its formation. Arthur Petrelli was one of the twelve founders of the Company and it has been stated several times that the founders were all individuals with special abilities. They found each other because of their abilities, meaning that for Arthur to have been found and become a founder, he would have had to have an ability before the formula was ever created.
- It is assumed all the Founders found each other and joined together through their powers. This means we assume Arthur had a power before the Company's founding - thus before synthetic powers were created.
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| The playing cards in the Vault are from a game of poker played between Kaito Nakamura and Arthur Petrelli that caused them to join forces. | None. | + Arthur was in SE Asia during the Vietnam war and could have traveled through Japan.
+ The power of probability, which Kaito has in a deleted scene, would be extremely helpful when playing cards. |
| Angela didn't love Arthur. | None. | + She cheated on him with Kaito. + When Angela discovered that he is, in fact, alive, her demeanor was one of surprise and fear, rather than any sort of relief or joy.
- On the contrary, Angela seemed to love Arthur very much. (Villains)
- She refers to him as "the man [she] loved". |
| Arthur Petrelli is Noah Bennet's biological father. | None. | + Noah Bennet's father needed glasses. (Company Man) + Mr. Petrelli needed glasses and apparently wore a horn-rimmed version. (The Kindness of Strangers) |
| Arthur Petrelli was the true villain of Heroes. | According to War Buddies, "Dallas" has an extremely utilitarian philosophy, torturing a native for several hours to find the lost Skyhawk, and then destroying an entire village along with killing a young girl to win the war. Many of the antagonists related to the Company appear to use the same modus operandi: Linderman wanted to unite the world by killing .07% of its population. | + In Truth & Consequences, Victoria tells Peter, "Adam's a murderer, and since you're helping him, you're one too... Just like your parents." + Arthur was a close friend of Linderman, and one of the founders of the Company. Linderman was a main villain of season one, and certainly the most manipulative. He is also married to Angela, who also supported Linderman. |
| Arthur had the ability to control evolved humans but not humans. | None. | + A young and innocent Linderman assists in the secret beating interrogation in Vietnam; the human had to be beaten to give up the info. + Controlling the powers of the original Company (Bob's alchemy, Linderman's healing, Angela Petrelli's precognitive dreaming, and so on) makes him the most powerful man on the planet, with unlimited resources. Controlling from behind the scenes is his preference, like calling himself Dallas. He likes to be hidden.
+ With the help of Maury Parkman, he could have faked his own death. If human influence in the Company led to a assassination attempt coup d'état style, what better way to lay low than with the help of someone who can manipulate humans and evolved humans, and make everyone think he is dead?
+ In both possible futures, Hiro is a sought after "terrorist". However, he is to be captured, not killed like Peter. With a time controller, Arthur could correct his past mistakes and take over much sooner and easier, as well as avoid being put on life support.
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| Arthur arranged for the unwitting reporter to discover a link between Niki Sanders and Tracy Strauss and use that to blackmail Tracy in order to stress her out and trigger her powers. | None. | + Arthur Petrelli is a master manipulator much like Daniel Linderman. Under Arthur's orders, Maury (as Linderman) has been manipulating events to push Tracy and Nathan together in much the same way that Linderman manipulated Niki and D.L.'s lives in order to produce Micah. |
| Arthur had the ability of aura absorption, the same as Linda Tavara. | None. | + His power is similar to how her ability worked, touching people and taking their abilities.
• He might have learned how to only take a person's ability, seeing as how aura absorption usually kills the victim. |
| Arthur Petrelli had "the hunger". | Arthur said, "You don't have your abilities anymore, Peter...because I have them now." : - Arthur (Dying of the Light) "You have the hunger. You're like me, brother..." : - Sylar (to Peter) (I Am Become Death) |
- Chris Zatta says that he doesn't. - Peter did not have the hunger until Gabriel showed him how to use intuitive aptitude.
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| The only way for Peter to regain his powers is if Sylar removes Arthur's brain and shows Peter how to take the ability. | None. | + Sylar's ability allows him to see how things work, but has never been specifically stated to let him take abilities. Therefore, it is possible that with knowledge attainable only by a person with intuitive aptitude, an ordinary human being can take an evolved human's abilities. + From a story standpoint, it would be fitting for Sylar to give in to the hunger he has been fighting for most of the third season, but then use it to help others. |
| Nathan was born with an ability, but Arthur stole it, either knowingly or by accident. | None. | + Angela said Nathan was born without an ability despite his lineage, yet Angela has been known to misrepresent the truth to control Nathan. + If Arthur unwillingly stole Nathan's powers, that would explain why he spearheaded Pinehearst to create synthetic abilities out of guilt and desire to fix what he did.
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| Arthur sought to absorb/drain the abilities of every evolved human. | None. | + He has absorbed Adam's ability when he could have just used his blood and used him as an asset.
+ He knew Peter had a lot of powers and likely wanted them all for himself. Although he wouldn't necessarily need a duplication power like empathic mimicry or a second copy of rapid cell regeneration, he may not have been able to choose to only take some abilities from Peter and not others. |
| Arthur could return powers to those from whom he took them. | None. | + He's keeping Peter alive. Without any powers, Peter would be useless to him.
+ Arthur has not made physical contact with Peter since stealing his abilities. Also, he has security guards physically restrain Peter when Peter tries to escape the facility. Perhaps a second touch from one of Arthur's victims reverses the power transfer? |
| Arthur's powers returned to their original owners when he died. | None. | + This could be a way to restore Peter's and other people's abilities.
+ When Arthur dies, the same glow that enters his body when he takes powers, seems to leave his body.
- The writers have stated that they wouldn't. |
| Arthur Petrelli's power theft was a synthetic ability and he originally had a much simpler power. | None. | + Angela implies that Arthur had some sort of power prior to Nathan's birth. + Nathan did not inherit the ability to copy powers, but Peter did. Perhaps Arthur did not give himself the ability until after he was satisfied with the results on Nathan. |
| Arthur used a mix of dream manipulation and persuasion to go into Angela's dream and paralyze her. | None. | + It does appear like he used these two abilities - dream manipulation would allow him to go into Angela's dream and persuasion would make Angela do whatever he said and/or implied, thus "You won't even be able to move" would paralyze her. - Maury can easily do this with his power, too.
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| Over time, Arthur will lose his stolen abilities and they will be returned to their owners. | None. | • It is unknown if Arthur's stolen abilities will last forever, maybe if he touches the people he stole the powers from again they will reacquire them.
+ Arthur seemed to hesitate when responding to Peter's query about whether or not his powers were gone forever. He could have lied when he said they were. (Eris Quod Sum)
• Arthur is dead. |
| Arthur was lying to Sylar about Angela's attempt to drown him. | None. | + Faking one's own death speaks poorly for one's trustworthiness.
+ Arthur unsuccessfully tried to murder Nathan; Angela tried to poison Arthur to prevent him from trying again. Clearly, Angela has strong maternal instincts.
• It is possible Angela did have a dream showing what Sylar would become, but she gave him up for adoption rather than drown him. |
| Arthur planned on giving everyone abilities (as seen in the future) so he could absorb them all. | None. | + It would be the perfect plan for a villain to gain more power: give everyone abilities so he can take them all using his and Peter's powers combined to steal them from a distance.
- Arthur claims that this isn't what he wants.
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| Arthur wasn't an evil villain. | None. | + It'd make for some twist. - Villains are evil by definition.
- He killed Maury only because he went against him. Maury was doing a heroic thing: defending his son.
- Arthur thinks he is better than everyone else.
- Arthur holds the threat of death over Daphne's head.
- Arthur ordered Matt to be killed.
- Arthur seems to hold a strict "if you're not with me, you're against me" policy.
- He stole Peter's powers.
- He calls his own team "the bad guys" and "villains."
- Promos for Dying of the Light and Angels and Monsters stated that Arthur is the leader of the villains.
- Arthur has recruited Knox, who is evil.
- Arthur killed Peter, Nathan, and Tracy in Angela's dream.
- He was fully behind the New York plan, and wouldn't hesitate to kill his own son to protect himself.
- He killed Usutu. |
| Arthur had adopted an "ubermensch" philosophy. | He is seen reading Nietzsche while waiting for Peter to wake up in Eris Quod Sum. | + When Peter tells accuses Arthur of feeling superior to other people (even evolved humans), Arthur simply states that it is a "fact". + He demonstrated an early form of this philosophy in War Buddies. |
| The four villains in Angela's dream were meant to represent Arthur. | None. | + Arthur has already killed two of the villains, Adam and Maury, and has both of their powers. If he kills Knox and either Tracy or Barbara at some point, he will, in a sense, represent all four villains. - The dream was most likely only a possible future that will no longer come to pass. |
| Arthur's power absorption effects people with artificial powers and genetic powers differently. | None. | + Arthur killed Adam Monroe when he absorbed Monroe's cellular regeneration however, but when he took Maya and Peter's powers they were only shown to experience severe discomfort.
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| Arthur absorbed Maury Parkman's powers before the beginning of the series, and over time Maury regenerated them. | None. | + Maury was one of the company founders, so it stands to reason that he and Arthur came into contact many times prior to the series. So it is very possible that Arthur stole his powers from Maury. • This would mean that stolen powers do regenerate over time, since Maury had his powers in season two.
+ Maury could have regained his powers by using the formula. |
| Arthur stole dream manipulation from Sanjog Iyer. | None. | + Arthur has entered Angela's dream, spoken to her and put her into a coma. He also did a similar thing to Matt Parkman, creating a dream-illusion of Daphne to attack Matt while he was inside Angela's dream.
+ We haven't seen Sanjog in a while, and Pinehearst has been locating and capturing a lot of evolved humans lately.
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| Arthur is or was an empath. | None. | + Peter and Sylar both gain abilities through empathy and have abilities similar to Arthur.
- Arthur said that Nathan was most like him and Nathan is not an empath.
+ He is now an empath, because he has stolen Peter's abilities, including empathic mimicry. However he was not an empath before that point, because he needed to kill Adam to take his power, instead of using empathic mimicry. |
| The naturally powered Petrelli men (Arthur and Peter) are empaths, though each has his own "version" of it. | None. | + Perhaps his power is a branch of empathy, as are Peter's and Gabriel's/Sylar's. Peter's is the receptive type, Sylar's intuitive aptitude is the inquisitive type (learns), while his is somewhere in the middle.
+ Sometimes powers can run in the family such as Matt and Maury and Meredith and Flint.
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| Arthur had plans on stopping anyone that could see and try to prevent his version of the future. | None. | + Arthur stole Peter's powers, which include space-time manipulation, precognition and precognitive dreaming. + Arthur put Angela in a coma. |
| Arthur Petrelli could take powers from others without stealing them. | -"What's on your mind Daniel?" -"The question is: what's not in yours." Angela and Linderman. (Villains) | + Arthur does have the telepathy, that Maury still had. And this was a pretty rare power.
+ This should be true, after Arthur stole empathic mimicry from Peter. |
| Because Arthur has mental manipulation, he can use it to suppress his own abilities, and that's why he doesn't suffer the Hunger of intuitive aptitude. | None. | - It's been stated that Arthur doesn't have the hunger because he has yet to access intuitive aptitude.
- Peter also had mental manipulation, and clearly that didn't help.
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| Arthur will come back to life. | None. | + Arthur's body shines with the catalyst as he lay on the floor dead. It should be kept in mind that it was only when Ishi gave up the catalyst to Hiro that she finally died. Perhaps the catalyst will have similar life-sustaining effects on Arthur.
+ Both Claire and Peter have died by having something lodged into their brain, and both of them came back to life once said object was removed. The same thing could happen to Arthur.
- The glow seemed to indicate that the catalyst also died, something logical to happen if its host died.
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