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== Shouldn't the article be updated? ==


It mentions that one of his future selves managed to control the hunger. Shouldn't it mention both? Sylar from the explosion future managed to also control the hunger, albeit he gained enough power to sate it (becoming president of the most powerful country in the world). Also shouldn't it mention that the hunger isn't a need to acquire more abilities, just a need to understand?--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 00:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)
== Sylar using ability ==
* Did he control it, though? He killed Nathan, Candice, DL, Claire, and went after Peter. Perhaps others. Not only that, he stole the presidency, which is another form of power. I mean ultimately, I'm not sure "the hunger" really is the need to acquire abilities ''or'' to understand--I think it's to have power. That's what understanding and acquiring abilities really is--having power. I don't think Explosion Future Sylar was able to control his hunger at all. If he was, we never saw it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:16, 18 February 2009 (EST)
** Yes but he was able to control himself in the face of several evolved humans, including Matt, The Haitian, and resisted the urge to search out any other evolved humans, apart from Candice, D.L, etc.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 00:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)
*** Other than seeking out at least five other evolved humans? I don't think that's control. Certainly not any more than he's been able to do in the present. And certainly not at a comparable level of control as during the "exposed future". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)


== Ability Theft without Brain Removal ==
There's a decent capture of Sylar using his original ability on Brian [http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/yoshie66/H01x10/Heroes-1.jpg here] if you need one.


The article reads "''Arthur explained to Sylar that if he gained control of his emotions and helped someone else to deal with traumatizing personal emotions, he could gain a target's powers without physical study of the brain, though with less control over the new ability''" at one point and "''Sylar recently demonstrated that he can acquire abilities without exposing the source's brain; it is not yet clear whether this is a new application of intuitive aptitude or the effect of some other ability that he has acquired.''". Isn't that kind of contradictory? I think the earlier of which is correct, so should this be fixed? --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 16:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
==Psychoanalysis==
* What is the contradiction? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 20:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
* I think he means that it is a clear application of Intuitive Aptitude, not the effect of another ability. That or he's saying that Sylar has EM, either way it may need to be updated, seeing as he used IA to absorb Elle's ability.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 20:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
**Sorry if I wasn't clear. The contradiction is that one part of the article explains how he uses ability theft without brain removal, and another says that it is unknown how he steals abilities without brain removal. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 21:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
***It just says we don't know what ability allows Sylar to do this. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 21:57, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
***I thought that we were pretty sure that he used the IA. The page kind of says that. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 22:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)


== [Speculation] Power Immunity ==
Nothing worth going in the main article, yet, but Sylar's statement to Bennet (quoted in the article) implies that he can intuitively analyze human behavior, not just physical systems. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 12:02, 4 January 2007 (EST)
: Nice point. Can't wait to see how Sylar's power plays itself out. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:35, 4 January 2007 (EST)
* Sylar could also use his ability to understand how the "hunger" aspect of his power works and then find out how to neutralize it. One way this can happen appears to be through love. For example, in ''[[I Am Become Death]]'', it appeared that the only thing that restrained his "hunger" was his love for his son, Noah. Perhaps if he can understand the dynamics of love a bit better, then he'll be able to "''make love stay''". --[[User:Siddhi Powers|Siddhi Powers]] 05:42, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


Is it just me, or has Sylar used this ability to become immune to several powers before?
== Examples from Distractions ==


For instance, Eden successfully used her persuasion power on Sylar, putting him to sleep, but he seemed immune to it when he escaped (and she killed himself when she couldn't control him).
How do we mention examples of Sylar's power from ''[[Distractions]]''? &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 02:31, 6 February 2007 (EST)


Of course, this happened long ago, and I don't recall a ticking sound.
== Unclear examples ==
So Sylar's power is pretty much in constant use, I'm assuming. This is a different power, one which is hard to chronicle examples. Any thoughts on how we document this power? &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 12:59, 6 March 2007 (EST)
*I believe Admin suggested using the ticking sound-effect as a cue. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 13:05, 6 March 2007 (EST)
**I dont think it was me since I dont associate the ticking with him using his power. I think the ticking is just for effect, though I think they're using it less. Personally I think his power is similar to insight for instance. Sometimes you might have a random flash of insight or other times you have to concentrate on something and then it comes to you. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 13:37, 9 March 2007 (EST))
**Yeah, but are we going to mention every time we hear the sound effect? For instance, when he's lying on the table in [[Sylar's cell|his cell]] in ''[[The Fix]]'', we hear a tick tock, and then Sylar wakes up suddenly. Is that using his power? Or in ''[[Unexpected]]'', when he's sneaking up on [[Dale]], the sound effect is used again. Another example? &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 14:30, 6 March 2007 (EST)
***I think in Parasite, he says "I want to see how that works", a clear reference to this ability. Soooo, I'm going to remove the question mark from the checklist since no one has yet to even reference this particular episode. But the conversation of other episodes is needed. I just think in Parasite, he definitively mentions it like he does in Six Months Ago.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Baldbobbo]] 13:08, 9 March 2007 (EST)
**** You're right, that's a very clear example. And he and Bennet talk about it in ''Distractions'', but I can't think of other clear uses of the power. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)
*****As to the question of the sound effect: I've always gotten the impression that it goes with the character, not just the use of his original power. It seems more like whenever he's being sneaky, or whenever he's dominant in a scene (Beeman talks about this a lot in the commentaries), his "theme" takes over the soundtrack, and his theme is the clockwork sounds.
******That's exactly how I always saw it, too. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:04, 9 March 2007 (EST))
*******Yes, that's kind of the point I was trying to make, indirectly. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:22, 9 March 2007 (EST)


More recently, his father used sedation on him, but it didn't seem to "take". [[User:Kimera757|Kimera757]] 20:42, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
== LOL, Wikipedia ==
* Wikipedia is now using "intuitive aptitude" to describe Sylar's power. Considering that we're just a bunch of lowbrow plagiarists to them, I find this highly ironic.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:14, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
**Yeah, [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Sylar&diff=next&oldid=9670 good suggestion], Hardvice. It seems pretty pervasive, now. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 20:10, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
*** Haha [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green;">Heroe</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]]</small> 00:33, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
*** Wow, I actually totally forgot that was my idea. Now I feel famous. Still, I'd prefer it had my comment not ended in a preposition.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:42, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
****Aw, prepositions are perfectly good words for sentences to end '''with'''. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 13:49, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
*****Right. I just didn't learn that it was merely a snobby usage "rule" until well after I'd browbeaten myself into avoiding it.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:53, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
*****I saw what you did there. I just eschewed mentioning it in favor of talking about my favorite subject: me.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:06, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


Well the way I see it, it's similar to how he acquires abilities. Once he knows how they work and what they do to him, his brain alters itself or his body to prevent said effect from working. He'd already seen persuasion and knew what it would do so he could prepare himself. As for sedation, like he said he played possum, feigned sleep. Another example would be Knox in the exposed future, he was able to counteract and fight back once he worked out what Knox was doing and how he was doing so.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 20:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
==Tactics==
*Actually Future Knox lost his source of fear (Noah) so he was weaker and Sylar was using Induced Radiation.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:39, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
I wonder if Sylar's intuitive aptitude helps him solve problems like "how to fight an invisible adversary". When Peter disappeared in ''[[.07%]]'', Sylar came up with an effective counter tactic using available resources very quickly. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:42, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
*I think that that was just plain quick-thinking, rather than his intuitive aptitude.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 18:06, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
**The problem, of course, is how would you know the difference? In most circumstances, Sylar's intuitive aptitude would be indistinguishable from "quick thinking". Still, he seems to adapt to virtually any setback with uncanny speed. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:24, 26 April 2007 (EDT)


He has RCR now, that kinda beefs him up against some things. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:17, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
== Examples ==
*Interesting note about sedation. Never thought about this before, but he did see his father use the ability on the rabbit. Perhaps this is how he figured out the ability, and was able to "play (o)possum". --{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 21:53, 7 April 2009 (EDT)


For above: When there is a disease u take something to not get it or to fight it off and once the body knows what the disease is it makes it easier, since Sylar know how abilities work he would know how to preventing it affecting him. 50000JH
I don't see how Sylar's comment about seeing how something works is an example since he didn't steal his ability.


...Um, yeah, I guess.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
On a side note, shouldn't every power theft be an example of this ability? We don't know the mechanics of how he steals abilities, but it's derived from his intuitive aptitude? --[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 03:22, 18 May 2007 (EDT)


== Empathy vs Sympathy ==
*Figuring out how things work is what the power is really about. As far as we know, he used his power to figure out how to steal other powers. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 10:24, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
I think some distinctions need to be made. I thought of a couple of places to put my thoughts down, and so this will be copied elsewhere. I am going to discuss Sylars use of what you all are referring to as "empathy" to absorb/copy powers.
**Right. Intuitive aptitude (or the ability to have intuition) is not necessarily the same as [[power theft]], though I'm sure they're either related or Sylar used IA to figure out how to steal powers. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 11:12, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
First of all, his primary innate ability is intuitive aptitude. And we all know he studied the brain to learn how the power worked and has such a deep understand is able to replicate it. But his intuitive aptitude goes beyond understand powers, he understands how a watch works etc. But he has learned to understand the emotional side of powers, and has a deep understanding of the emotional impact and is able to replicate powers.
***I'm thinking he can use his super hearing --[[User:Rockyrojas88|Rockyrojas88]] 07:52, May 20, 2007
Now I would like to throw out a few definitions, I looked up a lot of definitions of both empathy and sympathy. I will just quote something from dicitonary.com. "Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person". So Empathy is more of an effort, you have to put yourself into someone else’s shoes, and (key word here people) '''UNDERSTANDING''' a persons feelings, remember Sylar's base ability intuitive aptitude?
While on the other hand, as passionate as Peter is (was) his power takes no conscious effort, and is therefore sympathy. Sympathy is just something that happens, while the empathy is a conscious effort of thinking and understanding. So I think Empathic mimicry is not a power really, just an aspect of the aspcetof Intuitive Aptitude that allows for power copying, as it deals with understanding. While Peter's ability should have been called Sympathetic Mimicry. And while I am at it, I just want to say I think Peter's power is ability copying, yet how the copying happens is dependent on his personality.
-[[User:da_carnivore|da_carnivore]]
* Technically Peter couldn't use a copied power until he empathized with them and furthermore the fact that Sylar can now absorb powers by understanding the user's situation doesn't mean he has peter's ability. It's just another aspect if his ability. --[[User:Peter|Peter]]
**What I am saying is empathy and sympathy arent the same. To be empathetic you have to UNDERSTAND a persons feelings and situation, which is what Sylar does on Elle and James Martine, while Peter just has to be with a person. He copied invisbility without knowing Claude for example. From my understanding of the words, empathy should be used to describe when Sylar copies an ability through non-brain examination, and Peters old ability should have been referred to as sympathetic mimicry or something.
*** Empathy may be the right word to use but if we did people might think Sylar had Empathic mimicry (Peter's old ability, whatever you wanna call it). It's just easier to say Sylar has two ways to gain abilities: 1) examine their brain or 2) understand their situation and where they're coming from. Both ways are still using Intuitive Aptitude though, both understanding. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 17:29, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
****Yes, it's just I've heard Sylar has been using empathy; but people dont seem to understand like we do. [[User:da_carnivore|da_carnivore]]
*****Peter's power is only empathic if he has to use it at a distance from the owner of the power. Before he empaphized he could mimic powers like a chameleon, but when he thought about how they made "HIM" feel. Its about how they are imprinted on his memory, and thats how he has access to them. This was all shown when claude throught Peter off the rooftop.


== Weird.... ==
== Acquiring Abilities ==


In seasons 1 and 2, if Sylar were to cut open Peter's head, would he acquire all of Peter's abilities, or just empathic mimicry?-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 19:13, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
According to the most recent CBR interview, they haven't revelead what Sylar's original power was. Are the writers on crack or something :) --[[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Heroe|<span style="color:#FF6600">(contribs)</span>]]</small> 19:57, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
*I think only EM, since that was his core ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:20, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
*When the writers said that it was "a mystery yet to be solved", I think they were talking less about his original power, and more about his ability to acquire the powers of others. {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:52, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
**In .07% after sylar watches peter go invisible he states that he "can't wait to try that one". This is after he already knows that peter has multiple powers. This suggests that he would take all of them. There's also the fact that arthur was able to use his abilities when he stole them.
I'm beginning to wonder if intuitive aptitude might not be Sylar's "original ability" after all. Given that he also apparently has the same power as Peter (empathic mimicry), I think he acquired the "intuitive aptitude" from someone else without realizing it, the way Peter's precognitive dreaming occurred all through Season One without being explained until Season Three. It's most likely that Gabriel's adoptive mother or father had it -- and of the two I'd guess his father since he was a great watch-fixer too.--[[User:Cosmic AC|Cosmic AC]] 22:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)
*** I would think that he could only take the abilities that Peter knew how to use. For example, Peter was near Molly and absorbed her power unknowingly (which is why he hasn't used it), so Sylar wouldn't he able to use it. He could use invisibilty or flight, though. --[[User:Peter|Peter]]
****disagree. Peter accidentally used D.L.'s phasing without even knowing he had it. If sylar took peter's powers, why wouldn't he be able to make discoveries also?
*****Peter only used phasing accidentally after he Haitian erased his memories, when he was still incarcerated at Primatech, he seemed pretty aware that he had the ability when he escaped with Adam. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:20, 7 September 2009 (EDT)


== Skill ==
== Sylar-Nathan ==
The following is a comment on [[Telekinesis]]: "Sylar has demonstrated far more advanced telekinetic abilities than Brian, ''probably because Sylar has actively developed the power''." (emphasis added) While his practice with using his first acquired power has certainly increased his proficiency, I submit that the whole "knows how things work" aspect of his innate power is what makes Sylar so scary. (Next to his proclivity to [[Brain removal|exencephalate]] people.) Not only does his [[intuitive aptitude]] give him the ability to acquire others' powers, it helps him understand how to use and control them quickly. For a further example, I refer the interested reader to how quickly he was able to start [[:Image:Sylar's paintings.JPG|painting the future]] and make and control the [[:Image:Practicing a new power.JPG|radioactive puff-balls]] after scooping out [[Ted Sprague|Sprage's]] brain, while Ted himself and [[Peter Petrelli|Peter]] seemed to have [[:Image:Ted going nuclear.jpg|some]] [[:Image:Petegoesboom.jpg|issues]]. -- [[User:FissionChips|FissionChips]] 23:28, 3 October 2007 (EDT)


I think we should have a picture of Sylar-Nathan listing to and fixing the clock from ''[[Episode:An Invisible Thread|An Invisible Thread]]''. I'll ask the screen-cap guys, although the last time I asked for something.....it never was delivered. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 17:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
== Power Limitation ==


== Know how long Hiro freeze time ==
Sylar seems to be limited by his recent injuries. Although he attempted to take a new power, it is not clear whether or not he will be able to utilize the new power once he heals. Did he fail to take on the new power, or is he simply hampered from using it while injured? --[[User:Wolfeman|Wolfeman]] 18:59, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
*Yeah this is weird because if the reason for his loss of powers is the Shanti virus (maybe) then he shouldn't have been able to use his Intuitive Aptitude to check Candice's brain out, and then know how to use it. --[[User:SomeoneImportant|SomeoneImportant]] 21:44, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
**Well he did do it like 10 times before that you know its like writing your name with a pen except theres no ink.He could of still looked into [[Candice|Candice]]'s Brain just not gain the ability. --[[User:Sylarptnt0|Sylarptnt0]] 18:10, 28 January 2008 (EST)


Sylar already knows by looking at a clock or a watch how fast or slow it is going:
== Ability: Incongruous Definition ==
chandra's watch, an invisible thread he changes a watch.50000JH


Sylar detects the flaws in the clock, not that time isn't going the way it should be, when time freezes, so do clocks. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:54, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
The current definition of Sylar's ability is: "..to analyze complex systems and intuitively understand how they work without special education or training." The question is, does Sylar's ability of Intuitive aptitude allow him to analyze/examine complex systems, or does it allow him to intuitively understand/grasp complex systems without having to analyze them?. Analyzing refers to a logic process (i.e. the detailed examination of the elements or structure of something), while intuition can be defined as a form of instinctive knowing or direct cognition without the use of reasoning processes. Any thoughts? [[User:Siddhi Powers|Siddhi Powers]] 00:07, 1 February 2008 (EST)
*I think you have a good point but Intuitive Aptitude is used in Heroes Evolution on primatechpaper.com [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 15:41, 14 February 2008 (EST)
** I don't think Siddhi was suggesting a different name, but I think it was a question of the exact nature of how his power works and whether the description of the power is accurate. Based on Sylar's comments in [[Six Months Ago]] including his realization about how [[Brian Davis]]'s power worked, it seems more like it's an intuitive understanding without requiring (at least at the conscious level) an analysis of the system. Now I suppose he could be performing a rapid analysis at the subconscious level... which to me does seem like a potential explanation of how "intuition" itself works. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 17:17, 14 February 2008 (EST))
*** No name changes, but I still think that there's a definite misinterpretation of the term "Intuitive aptitude".


== It happened again,only this one is to LOL at HeroesWikia ==
Take for instance the definition of "intuition", as given on Wikipedia:


Heroes Wikia has gone hell down under.They copied a lot of our names (Empathic Mimicry,Precognitive Dreaming,Electric Manipulation,My god they use so much bad grammar a lot if you check everything else it just totally sends me to LOL) but the intuitive aptitude is the only one that is actually amusing. They named it '''INTUATIVE''' or '''INTUTIVE''' Aptitude instead of intuitive.BTW they copied a lot of our article's descriptions (in fact just the Genesis episode article for an example for what I mean)--[[User:ZeroTime|ZeroTime]] 23:42, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
''"Intuition ..[is] usually connected to the meaning "ability to sense or know immediately without reasoning," and is often regarded as a divine or prophetic power...''
* In Heroes Wikia's defense (not that it excuses direct copying or bad grammar), many of the names given in the ''Heroes'' universe are somewhat taken from Heroes Wiki. For instance, the name for Sylar's ability was proposed by [[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] back in the day. It was later given on Sylar's [[Assignment Tracker 2.0]]. Of course, it was spelled right...but I don't think any ''Heroes'' site would be worth their salt if they ''didn't'' call Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude". :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)


== give back a power, restore power/ copy power ==
''In psychology, intuition means:''
''Intuition (knowledge) - understanding without apparent effort, quick and ready insight seemingly independent of previous experiences or empirical knowledge."'' - wikipedia


This may sound odd but when somebody with aura or power absorbtion then they can't use their power but still in effect inside them, but if somebody with activation and deactation touches them they get the power back with side effect, if somebody who has Intuitive aptitude use it would he see how to restore the power even if was taken? [[User:50000JH|50000JH]]
Now, consider the definition given for "analysis":


...If I'm interpreting your question right, yes, I think so. By the way, my interpretation is, "If somebody lost their ability, would Sylar be able to 'fix' it?"--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:41, 20 January 2010 (EST)
''"Analysis (from Greek ἀνάλυσις, "a breaking up") is the process of breaking a complex topic or substance into smaller parts to gain a better understanding of it. The technique has been applied in the study of mathematics and logic since before Aristotle, though analysis as a formal concept is a relatively recent development...."'' - wikipedia
Here we can see that the conflict arises because the terms "intuition" and "analysis" have essentially two completely different meanings. Namely, "intuition" means, ''"to know something immediately without reason or previous experience"''. While "analysis" means, ''"to examine, break up into smaller bits, pull apart, dissect"''. Therefore, I would suggest that the meaning for "Intuitive aptitude" be switched up for something more in along the lines of the following examples:


== Lose a strong power, retain a weak one ==
*"the ability to understand the dynamics of causality and complex systems without education or training."
Intuitive aptitude is a strange ability. Powers Sylar absorbed via brain examination were gone due to Shanti virus, and he was very adept at using them. And he's worse at a few of abilities he absorbed through empathy, but the virus cannot remove them. Why so? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*"the ability to acquire immediate comprehension of complex systems independent of empirical knowledge or reasoning."
* When Sylar uses brain examination to gain an ability is is a direct extension of IA so he automatically is adept with this new ability. Empathy is a bit of a stretch for him, or at least harder for him to use, so he isnt automatically adept. Why the virus cant remove them is maybe because theyre more stuck with them? I dunno. Probably because he empathetically-absorbed them into his brain rather than kinda stealing/brain examination-absorbing them. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 07:42, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
*"the ability to comprehend the nature of any system without training or analysis."


== I think this might been asked before ==
One other point though that I think is worth mentioning is that although Sylar's ability may not require the use of reason or previous experience during its application, it is still possible that the ability is initially developed through first learning how to analyze system dynamics and the interrelationship between parts of a whole. However, once the fundamental aspect of the ability has been developed, it can then be applied to anything.


Could Sylar copy machiences as they can be considered systems in a way, by the same way he could study the brains of his victims. I was thinking he study a CT scanner the machiences that are use in hosiptal to study people brains.50000JH
Thoughts, anyone?
*Don't know if he can learn how to act like a CT scan, but he did read books on brain examination, they were visible in his apartment when Mohinder and Eden went there in Season One. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:28, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
* Erm, and has Sylar ever used his ability on anything different than clocks and brains? {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* It says his abilities is to analyse complex system, in one season Clair said that lizards can regenerate like she can, whales and bats can hear sonic sound so if he study animals brains could he copy those as well.(50000JH)
* No... That's impossible. Cockroaches are immune to radiation, yet Peter never mimicked such an ability because it isn't an ability at all. And one was in Sylar's proximity, but he didn't obtain this "ability" either. Seems like only humans have special abilities, and mimics can acquire abilities from them only. {{User:Altes/Signature}}


http://www.thehindu.com/seta/2008/02/28/stories/2008022850671500.htm have reported this is a myth.50000JH
--[[User:Siddhi Powers|Siddhi Powers]] 04:40, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
*I'm not sure how reliable of a source that is.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 16:26, 27 November 2009 (EST)


==Peter and IA==
* I've made what I think to be an appropriate update to the power's definition. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:49, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
The end of season 3 got me thinking. Some people say that he absorbed all of Sylar's current powers, others say that he could only absorb one power at a time. My theory is this. If he could only absorb one of Sylar's powers at a time, he could absorb IA again. Then he wouldn't be handicapped anymore by his new(er) power. Why is this? Because, he wouldn't need to lop off a persons head to examine a new power, since some of you already said he could study them through empathy, copying their power. Then he would be able to harness as many powers as he wants thanks to IA, instead of having to be handicapped and only using one power. ~~'''chuabacca'''
* That's the problem, we don't know how many of Sylar's powers Peter took. He demonstrated shape shifting, and it looked like he didn't have regeneration. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* Yeah true. If all that he does have is shapeshifting, then he might realize that Nathan is really Sylar next time he touches him. But I'm still really hoping the Peter got a hold of all of Sylar's abilities.~~chuabacca


== When did Peter obtain the ability ==
== Rule of Ted ==


I reckon people with this ability can't see how the hunger is created by examining another person with this ability and the writers have done this so they can't stop for ever. 50000JH
* Rather than switch it back and forth, let's open discussions. When Future Gabriel says 'You have it now,' he could have meant the hunger, not the power (especially since he follows with 'I'm so sorry'). But when Peter returns to the present, he tells Sylar that he went to the future and took his power, and Sylar says: 'You took my power?' Of course, this casts a whole new light on Peter's abilities, unless we interpret 'took' to mean 'figured out how to use.' Thoughts? [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 23:25, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
*We can't say that, we never had someone with the ability to look into the brain of someone else with the same ability, to see if they can understand the hunger. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
**Sylar also said that he can't die, but it's been noted several times that the person can die with a bullet in the back of the head. So I think it's a misunderstanding on Sylar's part (kind of [[irony|ironic]]), but Peter had the ability from the start, but I think since he never ''used'' it, he never had that hunger. So I agree that FSylar was referring to the hunger. As for present Sylar, maybe he's pointing out that Peter never took it from him, he merely copied it. Who knows. This hurts my head, I'm going to go drink now.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 00:03, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
***But why would we take the word of other characters over that of Sylar, as to whether a bullet in the back of the head (or decapitation) would work? They're both canonical sources that seem to directly contradict each other, and I'm not sure why we'd believe one over the other. The whole regeneration thing is a huge plothole/inconsistency at this point, IMO. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 08:53, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
**** In the [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281 immortal words] of [[Joe Pokaski]] and [[Aron Coleite]], "Claire indeed can be killed, as can Adam and Peter and Sylar, too. Decapitation does a pretty good job. We think Sylar was just fucking with Claire." -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
***** Yes, but that's not a canon source, and we have several that are, stating otherwise. I'm not even saying they're mistaken or misleading us...just that they've created a clear inconsistency and are making it worse with each week. [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 16:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


Sylar's dad and Peter had this ability. I'm saying if it did happen I would feel that they can't anaylse the hunger bit of the power, I maybe wrong, but I don't think it will make Intuitive aptitude the ability it would be if Sylar could anaylse the hunger part.
== When did Peter absorb it?? ==
I recoken it like people with different types of Autism they can hold so much information in thier head, there is a man in america who can tell you what day you been born and when Easter last fell earl, the left and right hemisphere of the brain did not devolop so the message in the brain get mess around (maybe not the right wording) , there was also another man who learn't to speak fluent Icelandic from scrap and experts would said that it be impossivle. They might not know how they could do those thing. sorry if it unclear but hoplfuly you can see the point I'm trying 50000JH
* If Sylar let his father look into his head, the latter could have discovered the secret how to stop the hunger. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**or so you assume. [[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 15:14, 23 October 2009 (EDT)


== Examples/gallery ==
This has been reverted over and over again, so I'll set it up here. Peter was exposed to the ability in ''Homecoming'', but did not use it until ''I Am Become Death''. The way his ability works, however, is that he absorbs abilities he is exposed to, but we don't know which ones he's aware of (as in confirmed absorbed abilities) until he uses them. So, to clarify, when he's exposed to the ability, he absorbs it (according to Mohinder's comment to Nathan). He absorbed the ability in ''Homecoming'', but did not use it until Future Gabriel explained it to him. Future Peter just phrased it weird to Peter.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 23:27, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
* Ok. I didn't pay attention to the edits to the page. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 23:30, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
* I'm going with he got it in [[Homecoming]] and the writers just messed up this last episode (see above for the problem quote). [[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 23:39, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
** Guys, canon first, remember? I'll quote Peter "I went to the future, and I took your ability."
If Peter had the ability all along, he wouldn't have needed to stay in the future to confront Sylar about getting it from him. Duh. [[User:TheEvilNoob|TheEvilNoob]] 19:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
*Attempted some clarity on the line about absorption --[[User:Matchu|Matchu]] 19:59, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
"I went to the future, and I took your ability." The thing is Peter did '''NOT''' take it, that requires forcibly making Gabriel do something he didn't want to do. Gabriel '''willingly''' showed Peter '''how''' the power worked. Peter had it all along. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:43, 22 October 2008 (EDT)


Why do we have a gallery section and an examples section? Why haven't the two been merged already? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
==Suggested "Intuative aptitude "picture change==
* I was just wondering that. I'm for making an Examples page but I don't think we have enough images yet. --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 15:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)
Since the original picture of Sylar holding his watch to his ear is pretty vague, (but also about all we had until this point); shouldn't we change the pic for this power to be this new one: [[Image:Powers Peter fix the Sylar watch.jpg]], which clearly for the first time actually shows the power being demonstrated visibly? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/9/2008 12:49 (EST)</small>
* Actually, this image is more of an example of the telekinesis he used to fix the gears after understanding how the watch worked. Though if you saw a watch with broken gears, it'd be pretty obvious how to fix it even without [[intuitive aptitude]]. ;) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:51, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
** I think the picture of Sylar looking at Claire's brain would fit nicely. While some of you would say that that suggests that his ability only works on brains, the current image suggest it only works on objects, so it should fit fine. =p--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:11, 9 October 2008 (EDT)


==Why isn't arthur listed as having this ability?==
==Time and Method of Absorbtion==
He clearly took it from peter.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 15:16, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
Near the bottom of the "Talk:Peter Petrelli" page, I wrote a long explanation of how IA was clearly only absorbed in IABD, then realized that it applies to this page as well. In addition, there should really some mention of how this ability is able to be absorbed/manifested/used, since Peter was unable to until Sylar helped him fix the watch and start using the power. [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 21:40, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
*He took it, but he never accessed it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:30, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*And sylar never accessed imprinting, in fact we only assume he took it, but he's listed as having absorbed it. Double standard?[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 07:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
** Arthur did have IA, but his infobox only lists the powers he had demonstrated. Otherwise it would be full of Peter's powers, who also may have absorbed more than he displayed. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
***Well we list him as having stolen empathic mimicry even though he didn't access it. Why are we listing him as having some powers, but not others when we know he has them?[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 13:49, 12 November 2009 (EST)
****Because he never demonstrated them, it's more than likely that he had all of Peters powers but it hasn't been proven so it's just speculation - {{User:Jenx222/sig2}} 13:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)
*****"You don't have your powers anymore, Peter. I do." I agree. That sounds incredibly speculative.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 23:40, 14 November 2009 (EST)


Arthur never demonstrated the ability, so we don't list him as having it, just like how we didn't list Peter as having, say, [[clairvoyance]].--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:47, 20 January 2010 (EST)
== Absorption by peter ==


== Charlie ==
My fellow peeps of the heroes wiki, we have always gone by the golden rule that "canon comes first." I say we follow this here too, and use Peter's quote "I went into the future, and I took your ability."
If Peter absorbed it he wouldn't have needed to go to the future my friends [[User:TheEvilNoob|TheEvilNoob]] 20:54, 19 October 2008 (EDT)


Should't there be images of Sylar saving Charlie? --{{User:BoomerDay/Signature}} 17:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)
*He didn't need to go to the future to get the ability, he already had it. FPeter took him there to show him what was wrong with the world so he could fix it and not make mistakes like FPeter did, FPeter said so. He only needed to learn how to use it. His whole I took your ability was being affected by his Hunger and his hatred for Sylar, because he certainly didn't take it, Gabriel willingly showed him how to use it and that is all that happened. Thus your whole cannon stance is invalidated, you have to not only take what is said and put into the context of what actually occurs. Also if we are going to go by that speech, then we also have to go by what Sylar said shortly after, he called his power The Hunger, thus the article's name is wrong. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:41, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
*Definitely. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:25, 6 November 2009 (EST)


== Examples page ==
What you are saying seems more like an interpretation rather than straight facts. Right now Peter's quote is the most reliable source right now and it should be used until the story is unfolded more. And Sylar never said that it was called the Hunger. He said with the power comes a "hunger" to learn more and more. And of all things why didn't Future Peter learn it himself?--[[User:Guy in a floppy green cap|Guy in a floppy green cap]] 01:58, 2 November 2008 (EST)


Why doesn't this ability has an example page?--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 15:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)
FPeter said so himself he made mistakes. He wanted Peter to avoid those mistakes and to do so he needed to put the big picture together using IA. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 11:53, 2 November 2008 (EST)
*We don't exactly have that many examples, which is the only reason we would make one. I don't know if we've listed all the times Sylar's used it though. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:39, 11 February 2010 (EST)
**We got enough to start an examples page thats for sure, all the times Sylar fixing a watch or hearing a Time piece, or Charlie's blood clot and he finds out that Hiro also has cancer, and a lot more so we got more than enough i think.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 15:41, 11 February 2010 (EST)
***He's used it enough times. If you can find more than 12 images then we can create a selected examples on this page, then an examples page, and remove the examples section. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)
****I would love to work on it (IA is one of my favorit abilities)--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 15:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*****I think we should ask it to an admin.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 15:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
****** You guys are right on. If we have more than twelve images (meaning thirteen or more), we can make an examples page. If the examples have no images, we can just list all the examples on this page. However, if the list of examples is "super long" (which I don't think it is), then we can also create an examples page, like [[examples of clairsentience]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:59, 11 February 2010 (EST)
******* It's kind of hard to find all the examples of IA but I'm going to try it.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
******** Straight out of my head I know, Peter fixing Sylar's watch and Sylar knows how Knox's ability works in [[I Am Become Death]], Sylar fixing several watches in [[Six Months Ago]], Sylar fixing Danko's watch in [[I Am Sylar]], In Sylar's nightmare he lisens to several watches in [[The Wall]], As Nathan he fixes a clock in [[An Invisible Thread]], Sylar finds out about Charlie's bloodclot and later removes it and finds out about Hiro's cancer in [[Once Upon a Time in Texas]], Sylar examines Claire's brain in [[The Second Coming]]. I think there are more but I'm still searching.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:07, 11 February 2010 (EST)
********* I don't think Sylar could use this when he was in his nightmare. He couldn't use any of his abilities, and I don't remember hearing the clock sound we associate with this ability in that scene. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
********** And if we have images of all these examples, we have 9 images. But i do think there are more.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:12, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*********** If anybody knows more examples please put them here--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
************ He moved his weak spot with IA and Shape shifting.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:14, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*************Yeah, in his nightmare he couldn't use it, but was trying to, hence why he had all the watches there, to see if he could get it to work. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)
**************In [[Hysterical Blindness]], he heard a clock and a watch waren't going on the same time, so without the nightmare we have 10 examples--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
***************Any time he took an ability, physically or empathically. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:22, 11 February 2010 (EST)
****************Should we really list them all? I'm ok with empathically. --{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*****************In [[Let It Bleed]], Sylar knows how Lydia's ability works "You see what people want, their desire, their hopes", was he using IA?--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
******************At the end of [[I Am Become Death]] Peter teleports into Sylar's cell and Sylar inmiditly detects that Peter has the hunger, So we got 11 examples (without detecting Lydia's ability) --{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*******************But guys i do need an answer if we should list Sylar detecting Lydia's ability, because than we have 12 examples.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 16:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*I would think it was, but then you'd still need one more. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:57, 11 February 2010 (EST)
**Ok, 12 examples we are almost there.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 17:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
***Got it! In [[Parasite]], Sylar detects Peter's ability "You're like me aren't you? I'd like to see how that works", so should we make an page now because we got '''13''' examples?--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 17:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
**** Only if there are 13 images. If it's just a list of thirteen (or more, even) examples, then we don't need a whole new page to list thirteen examples. I would think that many of the examples above don't have a good image to go along with them--and we really shouldn't "force" an image, meaning we don't need just a bunch of pictures of Sylar talking. (The [[examples of telepathy]] page borders on being just a bunch of pictures of Matt staring.) So the examples should definitely be added to this page (the page has long been in need of a list of examples), but probably not on a separate examples page. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:20, 11 February 2010 (EST)
*****Remember, Matt not only stares, he tilts his head to the side, as noted my [[Mr. Millbrook]]. ;) --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 11:39, 12 February 2010 (EST)


== Blocking Powers? ==
== Does Arthur have this ability? ==


From what I've seen, it seems like Intuitive Aptitude also allows Sylar to block certain powers such as Doyle (When he fought him for the first time in Primatech).
I very much think that he does as he said he absorbed all of Peter's abilities. I always knew that Peter had to lose this ability. I doubt Arthur would have to use it anyway and i'm sure he would be able to control it subconsciously as he was able to use Peter's lightning seconds after absorbing it.--[[User:ACDC1989|ACDC1989]] 07:04, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Another time was when the one girl with Mind Control tried to get him to shoot himself, it didn't work. And if I remember correctly, he also blocked Elle's Electricity once. So maybe once he sees the ability in use once, he can understand its weakness and then block the power?


== Rename: Neuro Cognitive Deficit==

* It says so in Mohinder's Mozaic list... the fourth one... [[User:NiveKJ13|NiveKJ13]] 18:03, 2 November 2008 (EST)
[[Image:Mozaic file.jpg]]
** It says "Neuro cognitive deficit'''s'''." Most likely referring to actual mental defects rather than Sylar's ability. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 18:04, 2 November 2008 (EST)
*** I'm pretty sure I argued this for the Haitian's ability at some point. It's just speculative to decide which it's for.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:06, 2 November 2008 (EST)

== Clearly this power's article needs a revamping ==

After tonight's episode I am not longer sure what his power even is anymore. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 21:47, 17 November 2008 (EST)
*Not really. The only new thing is that understanding the emotions and thought processes of a person can allow Sylar to obtain their abilities in the same way that understanding their brain can. '''Ability Theft''', however, will certainly require some revamping.~~ [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 21:47, 17 November 2008 (EDT)
** Sylar used Empathy to absorb Elle's ability, much like how Peter's ability works. It clearly shows that in fact all 3 have the same power which is: "Ability absorption". They just all had different ways of accessing it.
- Arthur can steal abilities
- Sylar could understand how things worked
- Peter empathicly absorbed
** Sylar's ability evolved a new function that allows it to work similarly to Peter's. This does NOT mean that they have the same ability. Is Telepathy the same ability as Persuasion because they can both force the user's will onto another? Function is just as important as result in the naming of abilities. Being the same as Arthur's ability is poorly based speculation at best. ~~ [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] (EDT)
But as shown, abilities can evolve, and Sylar has shown that he can access the ability the way Peter does. Which means he probably could take abilities like Arthur does as well (with practice). --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 01:25, 18 November 2008 (EST)
*Speculation. Interesting, but belongs on the theories page. ~~ [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] (EDT)
*** What evidence do we have that this was an aspect of an evolving intuitive aptitude and not him having empathic mimicry? We have almost the same exact canonical evidence that we do for Peter (gaining powers without stealing them, the term 'empathy' being used), so I'm not sure why we'd consider it an extension of Sylar's original power as opposed to giving him a new one, especially considering Arthur's comment of 'you've had it all along.' --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 01:57, 18 November 2008 (EST)
*** I don't think it's part of intuitive aptitude, because this new way is the same we've been told about Peter. They maybe have different abilities but it seems Sylar also has Empathic mimicry. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:00, 18 November 2008 (EST)
***Empathy is not the same as empathic mimicry. We all know that everyone's powers are connected to their emotions, and Sylar just analyzed Elle's emotional state, allowing him to feel empathy for her. That let him learn just as much about her power as he would have from reading her brain. Basically, all we've learned from tonight is that Sylar can now take powers by deeply analyzing people,. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 03:34, 18 November 2008 (EST)
**** I'm not sure I agree. The term 'empathic mimicry,' was never mentioned on the show itself, and so isn't canon either (though it is near-canon). I think the name was originally derived from similar comments (by Claude and Charles), and there was a debate for awhile about calling it 'empathy.' --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 04:42, 18 November 2008 (EST)
***** After watching the show again... Sylar was using his ability to "understand how they work" through empathy. Peter does the same but does it passively, that's why he is always absorbing because he's unaware his "connecting" to everyone. That's just the way he is. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 19:49, 18 November 2008 (EST)
****** I'm not even sure empathic mimicry and intuitive aptitude are even two different powers anymore. They may be the same power with different ways of accessing it (ie - power absorption minus the stealing part). Arthur "teaches" Sylar to access his empathy to gain powers without killing, which is essentially the same exact thing that Peter does. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 20:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)
******* That's what got to me, but absorbing doesn't really have anything to do with understanding 'how things work'. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 20:06, 18 November 2008 (EST)
******** Unless 'understanding how things work' was merely the mechanism for the power absorption (similar to how empathy was the mechanism for Peter, but the real ability is duplicating the powers of others). I really hope they delve into this a bit more in the next few episodes. :) --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 20:12, 18 November 2008 (EST)
********* I really think Sylar just absorbed intuitive aptitude from someone he was close to at an early age, and his original power is exactly the same as Peter's. That or they're exactly the same ability with exactly the same method of access -- understanding "how things work" could easily be extended to understanding how people are feeling, and the difference then would lie in the way Peter and Sylar grew up; Sylar was constantly pushed into doing stuff by his adoptive mother while Angela seems to have doted on Peter (even though Nathan "demanded more" attention). Peter also became a nurse (working with people) while Sylar ended up fixing clocks (working with things). If "intuitive aptitude" really is part of Sylar's original ability, that would make a lot of sense...

On a side note:
'''“In a previous BTE interview, it was stated we would see in ‘Villains’ why Sylar was able to keep his telepathy despite being infected with the Shanti virus. However, we didn't seem to get any explanation last night. The only conclusion I can deduce is that it's all in his head, and somehow related to the extreme amount of guilt he felt over Brian.”'''

''Kyle, we assume you mean telekenisis, and not telepathy and if so, you nailed it. Brian was Sylar’s first kill and his power is connected to emotional empathy. In fact, we’ll be exploring that very sentiment tonight. In chains. With electricity.'' --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 07:56, 18 November 2008 (EST)
****New BTE says EM and IA and possibly Arthur's ability too, are all the same power... --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 00:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)
* Well they can "absorb abilities", so yes they kind of have the same power, just manifested differently. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== A proposition: See [[Talk:Mimicry]] ==

Due to recent events in the series, I have brought up a proposal (relating to this page) at [[Talk:Mimicry]], if folks could take a look at that. [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 16:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Shouldn't the article be updated? ==

It mentions that one of his future selves managed to control the hunger. Shouldn't it mention both? Sylar from the explosion future managed to also control the hunger, albeit he gained enough power to sate it (becoming president of the most powerful country in the world). Also shouldn't it mention that the hunger isn't a need to acquire more abilities, just a need to understand?--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 00:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)
* Did he control it, though? He killed Nathan, Candice, DL, Claire, and went after Peter. Perhaps others. Not only that, he stole the presidency, which is another form of power. I mean ultimately, I'm not sure "the hunger" really is the need to acquire abilities ''or'' to understand--I think it's to have power. That's what understanding and acquiring abilities really is--having power. I don't think Explosion Future Sylar was able to control his hunger at all. If he was, we never saw it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:16, 18 February 2009 (EST)
** Yes but he was able to control himself in the face of several evolved humans, including Matt, The Haitian, and resisted the urge to search out any other evolved humans, apart from Candice, D.L, etc.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 00:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)
*** Other than seeking out at least five other evolved humans? I don't think that's control. Certainly not any more than he's been able to do in the present. And certainly not at a comparable level of control as during the "exposed future". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Ability Theft without Brain Removal ==

The article reads "''Arthur explained to Sylar that if he gained control of his emotions and helped someone else to deal with traumatizing personal emotions, he could gain a target's powers without physical study of the brain, though with less control over the new ability''" at one point and "''Sylar recently demonstrated that he can acquire abilities without exposing the source's brain; it is not yet clear whether this is a new application of intuitive aptitude or the effect of some other ability that he has acquired.''". Isn't that kind of contradictory? I think the earlier of which is correct, so should this be fixed? --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 16:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
* What is the contradiction? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 20:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
* I think he means that it is a clear application of Intuitive Aptitude, not the effect of another ability. That or he's saying that Sylar has EM, either way it may need to be updated, seeing as he used IA to absorb Elle's ability.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 20:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
**Sorry if I wasn't clear. The contradiction is that one part of the article explains how he uses ability theft without brain removal, and another says that it is unknown how he steals abilities without brain removal. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 21:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
***It just says we don't know what ability allows Sylar to do this. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 21:57, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
***I thought that we were pretty sure that he used the IA. The page kind of says that. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 22:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

== [Speculation] Power Immunity ==

Is it just me, or has Sylar used this ability to become immune to several powers before?

For instance, Eden successfully used her persuasion power on Sylar, putting him to sleep, but he seemed immune to it when he escaped (and she killed himself when she couldn't control him).

Of course, this happened long ago, and I don't recall a ticking sound.

More recently, his father used sedation on him, but it didn't seem to "take". [[User:Kimera757|Kimera757]] 20:42, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Well the way I see it, it's similar to how he acquires abilities. Once he knows how they work and what they do to him, his brain alters itself or his body to prevent said effect from working. He'd already seen persuasion and knew what it would do so he could prepare himself. As for sedation, like he said he played possum, feigned sleep. Another example would be Knox in the exposed future, he was able to counteract and fight back once he worked out what Knox was doing and how he was doing so.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 20:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
*Actually Future Knox lost his source of fear (Noah) so he was weaker and Sylar was using Induced Radiation.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 17:39, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He has RCR now, that kinda beefs him up against some things. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:17, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
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Shouldn't the article be updated?

It mentions that one of his future selves managed to control the hunger. Shouldn't it mention both? Sylar from the explosion future managed to also control the hunger, albeit he gained enough power to sate it (becoming president of the most powerful country in the world). Also shouldn't it mention that the hunger isn't a need to acquire more abilities, just a need to understand?--Steelymcbeam 00:05, 18 February 2009 (EST)

  • Did he control it, though? He killed Nathan, Candice, DL, Claire, and went after Peter. Perhaps others. Not only that, he stole the presidency, which is another form of power. I mean ultimately, I'm not sure "the hunger" really is the need to acquire abilities or to understand--I think it's to have power. That's what understanding and acquiring abilities really is--having power. I don't think Explosion Future Sylar was able to control his hunger at all. If he was, we never saw it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2009 (EST)
    • Yes but he was able to control himself in the face of several evolved humans, including Matt, The Haitian, and resisted the urge to search out any other evolved humans, apart from Candice, D.L, etc.--Steelymcbeam 00:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)
      • Other than seeking out at least five other evolved humans? I don't think that's control. Certainly not any more than he's been able to do in the present. And certainly not at a comparable level of control as during the "exposed future". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Ability Theft without Brain Removal

The article reads "Arthur explained to Sylar that if he gained control of his emotions and helped someone else to deal with traumatizing personal emotions, he could gain a target's powers without physical study of the brain, though with less control over the new ability" at one point and "Sylar recently demonstrated that he can acquire abilities without exposing the source's brain; it is not yet clear whether this is a new application of intuitive aptitude or the effect of some other ability that he has acquired.". Isn't that kind of contradictory? I think the earlier of which is correct, so should this be fixed? --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 16:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • What is the contradiction? - Josh (talk/contribs) 20:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
  • I think he means that it is a clear application of Intuitive Aptitude, not the effect of another ability. That or he's saying that Sylar has EM, either way it may need to be updated, seeing as he used IA to absorb Elle's ability.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Sorry if I wasn't clear. The contradiction is that one part of the article explains how he uses ability theft without brain removal, and another says that it is unknown how he steals abilities without brain removal. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 21:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
      • It just says we don't know what ability allows Sylar to do this. - Josh (talk/contribs) 21:57, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
      • I thought that we were pretty sure that he used the IA. The page kind of says that. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 22:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

[Speculation] Power Immunity

Is it just me, or has Sylar used this ability to become immune to several powers before?

For instance, Eden successfully used her persuasion power on Sylar, putting him to sleep, but he seemed immune to it when he escaped (and she killed himself when she couldn't control him).

Of course, this happened long ago, and I don't recall a ticking sound.

More recently, his father used sedation on him, but it didn't seem to "take". Kimera757 20:42, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Well the way I see it, it's similar to how he acquires abilities. Once he knows how they work and what they do to him, his brain alters itself or his body to prevent said effect from working. He'd already seen persuasion and knew what it would do so he could prepare himself. As for sedation, like he said he played possum, feigned sleep. Another example would be Knox in the exposed future, he was able to counteract and fight back once he worked out what Knox was doing and how he was doing so.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 20:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Actually Future Knox lost his source of fear (Noah) so he was weaker and Sylar was using Induced Radiation.--WarGrowlmon18 17:39, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He has RCR now, that kinda beefs him up against some things. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Interesting note about sedation. Never thought about this before, but he did see his father use the ability on the rabbit. Perhaps this is how he figured out the ability, and was able to "play (o)possum". --Bob (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

For above: When there is a disease u take something to not get it or to fight it off and once the body knows what the disease is it makes it easier, since Sylar know how abilities work he would know how to preventing it affecting him. 50000JH

...Um, yeah, I guess.--ERROR 19:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Empathy vs Sympathy

I think some distinctions need to be made. I thought of a couple of places to put my thoughts down, and so this will be copied elsewhere. I am going to discuss Sylars use of what you all are referring to as "empathy" to absorb/copy powers. First of all, his primary innate ability is intuitive aptitude. And we all know he studied the brain to learn how the power worked and has such a deep understand is able to replicate it. But his intuitive aptitude goes beyond understand powers, he understands how a watch works etc. But he has learned to understand the emotional side of powers, and has a deep understanding of the emotional impact and is able to replicate powers. Now I would like to throw out a few definitions, I looked up a lot of definitions of both empathy and sympathy. I will just quote something from dicitonary.com. "Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person". So Empathy is more of an effort, you have to put yourself into someone else’s shoes, and (key word here people) UNDERSTANDING a persons feelings, remember Sylar's base ability intuitive aptitude? While on the other hand, as passionate as Peter is (was) his power takes no conscious effort, and is therefore sympathy. Sympathy is just something that happens, while the empathy is a conscious effort of thinking and understanding. So I think Empathic mimicry is not a power really, just an aspect of the aspcetof Intuitive Aptitude that allows for power copying, as it deals with understanding. While Peter's ability should have been called Sympathetic Mimicry. And while I am at it, I just want to say I think Peter's power is ability copying, yet how the copying happens is dependent on his personality. -da_carnivore

  • Technically Peter couldn't use a copied power until he empathized with them and furthermore the fact that Sylar can now absorb powers by understanding the user's situation doesn't mean he has peter's ability. It's just another aspect if his ability. --Peter
    • What I am saying is empathy and sympathy arent the same. To be empathetic you have to UNDERSTAND a persons feelings and situation, which is what Sylar does on Elle and James Martine, while Peter just has to be with a person. He copied invisbility without knowing Claude for example. From my understanding of the words, empathy should be used to describe when Sylar copies an ability through non-brain examination, and Peters old ability should have been referred to as sympathetic mimicry or something.
      • Empathy may be the right word to use but if we did people might think Sylar had Empathic mimicry (Peter's old ability, whatever you wanna call it). It's just easier to say Sylar has two ways to gain abilities: 1) examine their brain or 2) understand their situation and where they're coming from. Both ways are still using Intuitive Aptitude though, both understanding. --Peter 17:29, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Yes, it's just I've heard Sylar has been using empathy; but people dont seem to understand like we do. da_carnivore
          • Peter's power is only empathic if he has to use it at a distance from the owner of the power. Before he empaphized he could mimic powers like a chameleon, but when he thought about how they made "HIM" feel. Its about how they are imprinted on his memory, and thats how he has access to them. This was all shown when claude throught Peter off the rooftop.

Acquiring Abilities

In seasons 1 and 2, if Sylar were to cut open Peter's head, would he acquire all of Peter's abilities, or just empathic mimicry?-- Catalyst · Talk · HL 19:13, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think only EM, since that was his core ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:20, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
    • In .07% after sylar watches peter go invisible he states that he "can't wait to try that one". This is after he already knows that peter has multiple powers. This suggests that he would take all of them. There's also the fact that arthur was able to use his abilities when he stole them.
      • I would think that he could only take the abilities that Peter knew how to use. For example, Peter was near Molly and absorbed her power unknowingly (which is why he hasn't used it), so Sylar wouldn't he able to use it. He could use invisibilty or flight, though. --Peter
        • disagree. Peter accidentally used D.L.'s phasing without even knowing he had it. If sylar took peter's powers, why wouldn't he be able to make discoveries also?
          • Peter only used phasing accidentally after he Haitian erased his memories, when he was still incarcerated at Primatech, he seemed pretty aware that he had the ability when he escaped with Adam. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:20, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Sylar-Nathan

I think we should have a picture of Sylar-Nathan listing to and fixing the clock from An Invisible Thread. I'll ask the screen-cap guys, although the last time I asked for something.....it never was delivered. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 17:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Know how long Hiro freeze time

Sylar already knows by looking at a clock or a watch how fast or slow it is going: chandra's watch, an invisible thread he changes a watch.50000JH

Sylar detects the flaws in the clock, not that time isn't going the way it should be, when time freezes, so do clocks. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:54, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

It happened again,only this one is to LOL at HeroesWikia

Heroes Wikia has gone hell down under.They copied a lot of our names (Empathic Mimicry,Precognitive Dreaming,Electric Manipulation,My god they use so much bad grammar a lot if you check everything else it just totally sends me to LOL) but the intuitive aptitude is the only one that is actually amusing. They named it INTUATIVE or INTUTIVE Aptitude instead of intuitive.BTW they copied a lot of our article's descriptions (in fact just the Genesis episode article for an example for what I mean)--ZeroTime 23:42, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

  • In Heroes Wikia's defense (not that it excuses direct copying or bad grammar), many of the names given in the Heroes universe are somewhat taken from Heroes Wiki. For instance, the name for Sylar's ability was proposed by Hardvice back in the day. It was later given on Sylar's Assignment Tracker 2.0. Of course, it was spelled right...but I don't think any Heroes site would be worth their salt if they didn't call Sylar's ability "intuitive aptitude". :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

give back a power, restore power/ copy power

This may sound odd but when somebody with aura or power absorbtion then they can't use their power but still in effect inside them, but if somebody with activation and deactation touches them they get the power back with side effect, if somebody who has Intuitive aptitude use it would he see how to restore the power even if was taken? 50000JH

...If I'm interpreting your question right, yes, I think so. By the way, my interpretation is, "If somebody lost their ability, would Sylar be able to 'fix' it?"--ERROR 19:41, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Lose a strong power, retain a weak one

Intuitive aptitude is a strange ability. Powers Sylar absorbed via brain examination were gone due to Shanti virus, and he was very adept at using them. And he's worse at a few of abilities he absorbed through empathy, but the virus cannot remove them. Why so? AltesUTC CH

  • When Sylar uses brain examination to gain an ability is is a direct extension of IA so he automatically is adept with this new ability. Empathy is a bit of a stretch for him, or at least harder for him to use, so he isnt automatically adept. Why the virus cant remove them is maybe because theyre more stuck with them? I dunno. Probably because he empathetically-absorbed them into his brain rather than kinda stealing/brain examination-absorbing them. --Peter 07:42, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

I think this might been asked before

Could Sylar copy machiences as they can be considered systems in a way, by the same way he could study the brains of his victims. I was thinking he study a CT scanner the machiences that are use in hosiptal to study people brains.50000JH

  • Don't know if he can learn how to act like a CT scan, but he did read books on brain examination, they were visible in his apartment when Mohinder and Eden went there in Season One. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:28, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
  • Erm, and has Sylar ever used his ability on anything different than clocks and brains? AltesUTC CH
  • It says his abilities is to analyse complex system, in one season Clair said that lizards can regenerate like she can, whales and bats can hear sonic sound so if he study animals brains could he copy those as well.(50000JH)
  • No... That's impossible. Cockroaches are immune to radiation, yet Peter never mimicked such an ability because it isn't an ability at all. And one was in Sylar's proximity, but he didn't obtain this "ability" either. Seems like only humans have special abilities, and mimics can acquire abilities from them only. AltesUTC CH

http://www.thehindu.com/seta/2008/02/28/stories/2008022850671500.htm have reported this is a myth.50000JH

  • I'm not sure how reliable of a source that is.--PJDEP 16:26, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Peter and IA

The end of season 3 got me thinking. Some people say that he absorbed all of Sylar's current powers, others say that he could only absorb one power at a time. My theory is this. If he could only absorb one of Sylar's powers at a time, he could absorb IA again. Then he wouldn't be handicapped anymore by his new(er) power. Why is this? Because, he wouldn't need to lop off a persons head to examine a new power, since some of you already said he could study them through empathy, copying their power. Then he would be able to harness as many powers as he wants thanks to IA, instead of having to be handicapped and only using one power. ~~chuabacca

  • That's the problem, we don't know how many of Sylar's powers Peter took. He demonstrated shape shifting, and it looked like he didn't have regeneration. AltesUTC CH
  • Yeah true. If all that he does have is shapeshifting, then he might realize that Nathan is really Sylar next time he touches him. But I'm still really hoping the Peter got a hold of all of Sylar's abilities.~~chuabacca

Rule of Ted

I reckon people with this ability can't see how the hunger is created by examining another person with this ability and the writers have done this so they can't stop for ever. 50000JH

  • We can't say that, we never had someone with the ability to look into the brain of someone else with the same ability, to see if they can understand the hunger. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's dad and Peter had this ability. I'm saying if it did happen I would feel that they can't anaylse the hunger bit of the power, I maybe wrong, but I don't think it will make Intuitive aptitude the ability it would be if Sylar could anaylse the hunger part. I recoken it like people with different types of Autism they can hold so much information in thier head, there is a man in america who can tell you what day you been born and when Easter last fell earl, the left and right hemisphere of the brain did not devolop so the message in the brain get mess around (maybe not the right wording) , there was also another man who learn't to speak fluent Icelandic from scrap and experts would said that it be impossivle. They might not know how they could do those thing. sorry if it unclear but hoplfuly you can see the point I'm trying 50000JH

  • If Sylar let his father look into his head, the latter could have discovered the secret how to stop the hunger. AltesUTC CH
    • or so you assume. Gamerelite1 15:14, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Examples/gallery

Why do we have a gallery section and an examples section? Why haven't the two been merged already? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I was just wondering that. I'm for making an Examples page but I don't think we have enough images yet. --Leckie -- Talk 15:19, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Why isn't arthur listed as having this ability?

He clearly took it from peter.Gamerelite1 15:16, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

  • He took it, but he never accessed it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:30, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
  • And sylar never accessed imprinting, in fact we only assume he took it, but he's listed as having absorbed it. Double standard?Gamerelite1 07:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
    • Arthur did have IA, but his infobox only lists the powers he had demonstrated. Otherwise it would be full of Peter's powers, who also may have absorbed more than he displayed. AltesUTC CH
      • Well we list him as having stolen empathic mimicry even though he didn't access it. Why are we listing him as having some powers, but not others when we know he has them?Gamerelite1 13:49, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • Because he never demonstrated them, it's more than likely that he had all of Peters powers but it hasn't been proven so it's just speculation - Jenx222 | U / T / C 13:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)
          • "You don't have your powers anymore, Peter. I do." I agree. That sounds incredibly speculative.Gamerelite1 23:40, 14 November 2009 (EST)

Arthur never demonstrated the ability, so we don't list him as having it, just like how we didn't list Peter as having, say, clairvoyance.--ERROR 19:47, 20 January 2010 (EST)

Charlie

Should't there be images of Sylar saving Charlie? --Boom D  83  17:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Examples page

Why doesn't this ability has an example page?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)

  • We don't exactly have that many examples, which is the only reason we would make one. I don't know if we've listed all the times Sylar's used it though. --mc_hammark 15:39, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • We got enough to start an examples page thats for sure, all the times Sylar fixing a watch or hearing a Time piece, or Charlie's blood clot and he finds out that Hiro also has cancer, and a lot more so we got more than enough i think.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:41, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • He's used it enough times. If you can find more than 12 images then we can create a selected examples on this page, then an examples page, and remove the examples section. --mc_hammark 15:44, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • I would love to work on it (IA is one of my favorit abilities)-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • I think we should ask it to an admin.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
            • You guys are right on. If we have more than twelve images (meaning thirteen or more), we can make an examples page. If the examples have no images, we can just list all the examples on this page. However, if the list of examples is "super long" (which I don't think it is), then we can also create an examples page, like examples of clairsentience. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2010 (EST)
              • It's kind of hard to find all the examples of IA but I'm going to try it.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                • Straight out of my head I know, Peter fixing Sylar's watch and Sylar knows how Knox's ability works in I Am Become Death, Sylar fixing several watches in Six Months Ago, Sylar fixing Danko's watch in I Am Sylar, In Sylar's nightmare he lisens to several watches in The Wall, As Nathan he fixes a clock in An Invisible Thread, Sylar finds out about Charlie's bloodclot and later removes it and finds out about Hiro's cancer in Once Upon a Time in Texas, Sylar examines Claire's brain in The Second Coming. I think there are more but I'm still searching.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:07, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                  • I don't think Sylar could use this when he was in his nightmare. He couldn't use any of his abilities, and I don't remember hearing the clock sound we associate with this ability in that scene. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                    • And if we have images of all these examples, we have 9 images. But i do think there are more.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:12, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                      • If anybody knows more examples please put them here-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                        • He moved his weak spot with IA and Shape shifting.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:14, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                          • Yeah, in his nightmare he couldn't use it, but was trying to, hence why he had all the watches there, to see if he could get it to work. --mc_hammark 16:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                            • In Hysterical Blindness, he heard a clock and a watch waren't going on the same time, so without the nightmare we have 10 examples-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                              • Any time he took an ability, physically or empathically. --mc_hammark 16:22, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                • Should we really list them all? I'm ok with empathically. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                  • In Let It Bleed, Sylar knows how Lydia's ability works "You see what people want, their desire, their hopes", was he using IA?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:26, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                    • At the end of I Am Become Death Peter teleports into Sylar's cell and Sylar inmiditly detects that Peter has the hunger, So we got 11 examples (without detecting Lydia's ability) -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)
                                      • But guys i do need an answer if we should list Sylar detecting Lydia's ability, because than we have 12 examples.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 16:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
  • I would think it was, but then you'd still need one more. --mc_hammark 16:57, 11 February 2010 (EST)
    • Ok, 12 examples we are almost there.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:00, 11 February 2010 (EST)
      • Got it! In Parasite, Sylar detects Peter's ability "You're like me aren't you? I'd like to see how that works", so should we make an page now because we got 13 examples?-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:10, 11 February 2010 (EST)
        • Only if there are 13 images. If it's just a list of thirteen (or more, even) examples, then we don't need a whole new page to list thirteen examples. I would think that many of the examples above don't have a good image to go along with them--and we really shouldn't "force" an image, meaning we don't need just a bunch of pictures of Sylar talking. (The examples of telepathy page borders on being just a bunch of pictures of Matt staring.) So the examples should definitely be added to this page (the page has long been in need of a list of examples), but probably not on a separate examples page. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:20, 11 February 2010 (EST)
          • Remember, Matt not only stares, he tilts his head to the side, as noted my Mr. Millbrook. ;) --mc_hammark 11:39, 12 February 2010 (EST)

Blocking Powers?

From what I've seen, it seems like Intuitive Aptitude also allows Sylar to block certain powers such as Doyle (When he fought him for the first time in Primatech). Another time was when the one girl with Mind Control tried to get him to shoot himself, it didn't work. And if I remember correctly, he also blocked Elle's Electricity once. So maybe once he sees the ability in use once, he can understand its weakness and then block the power?

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